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Subject: Germany: An official who is supposed to fight antisemtism is
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 by: Marc S - Thu, 18 May 2023 08:34 UTC

There was this case in Germany last year in which a guy - Michael Blume - who is an official to fight antisemitism was called antisemitic. He - similar to Andy and Herman - felt this was injust and tried to go against it; well... court ruled that some things he said were indeed antisemitic and that it is allowed to call him that.

Now the real problem is: This guy still holds this position... now you would think if the Germans would take this seriously, they would actually fire him and appoint a guy who actually knows something about antisemitism... Surely the descendants of the nazis have learned shit from the past...

https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/plus241813857/Michael-Blume-Antisemitismus-Beauftragter-darf-antisemitisch-genannt-werden.html

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Subject: Re: Germany: An official who is supposed to fight antisemtism is
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 by: Marc S - Thu, 18 May 2023 08:37 UTC

Marc S schrieb am Donnerstag, 18. Mai 2023 um 10:34:07 UTC+2:
> There was this case in Germany last year in which a guy - Michael Blume - who is an official to fight antisemitism was called antisemitic. He - similar to Andy and Herman - felt this was injust and tried to go against it; well... court ruled that some things he said were indeed antisemitic and that it is allowed to call him that.
>
> Now the real problem is: This guy still holds this position... now you would think if the Germans would take this seriously, they would actually fire him and appoint a guy who actually knows something about antisemitism... Surely the descendants of the nazis have learned shit from the past...
>
> https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/plus241813857/Michael-Blume-Antisemitismus-Beauftragter-darf-antisemitisch-genannt-werden.html

And another funny thing to add: Michael Blume cries on twitter about being a victim... Just like Herman and Andy and Henk...

Michael Blume does not reflect on why what he said was considered antisemitic - even after a court ruled so - instead he just cries...

This all is pure lunacy...

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 by: Dan Koren - Thu, 18 May 2023 09:10 UTC

On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 1:34:07 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
>
> There was this case in Germany last year in which a guy -
> Michael Blume - who is an official to fight antisemitism
> was called antisemitic. He - similar to Andy and Herman -
> felt this was injust and tried to go against it; well... court
> ruled that some things he said were indeed antisemitic
> and that it is allowed to call him that.

Fascinating! Thanks for the info. This means you can be
sued in Germany for your anti-semitic rants on YouTube?

dk

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 by: Marc S - Thu, 18 May 2023 09:51 UTC

Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 18. Mai 2023 um 11:10:20 UTC+2:
> On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 1:34:07 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> >
> > There was this case in Germany last year in which a guy -
> > Michael Blume - who is an official to fight antisemitism
> > was called antisemitic. He - similar to Andy and Herman -
> > felt this was injust and tried to go against it; well... court
> > ruled that some things he said were indeed antisemitic
> > and that it is allowed to call him that.
> Fascinating! Thanks for the info. This means you can be
> sued in Germany for your anti-semitic rants on YouTube?

I would assume so.

In this case though the antisemite (Michael Blume) wasn't sued for anything, as I said: he still holds his position (which ironically is to combat antisemtism).

As far as I recall the case was sth like this:

The lawyer (Joachim Steinhöfel) posted a tweet saying that Michael Blume is an antisemite while also providing evidence for it. Michael Blume was ofc butthurt (just like Herman is when you confront him with it) and immediately complained to Twitter, Twitter - which at that time was crazy ass woke - then ofc deleted said tweet. This prompted Steinhöfel to complain at a German court, and the German court ruled that Twitter has to make this tweet visible again as it is not defamation, but the truth.

>
> dk

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 by: Dan Koren - Thu, 18 May 2023 09:55 UTC

On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 2:51:38 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 18. Mai 2023 um 11:10:20 UTC+2:
> > On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 1:34:07 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> > >
> > > There was this case in Germany last year in which a guy -
> > > Michael Blume - who is an official to fight antisemitism
> > > was called antisemitic. He - similar to Andy and Herman -
> > > felt this was injust and tried to go against it; well... court
> > > ruled that some things he said were indeed antisemitic
> > > and that it is allowed to call him that.
> >
> > Fascinating! Thanks for the info. This means you can be
> > sued in Germany for your anti-semitic rants on YouTube?

Oops! I meant on r.m.c.r.

> I would assume so.
>
> In this case though the antisemite (Michael Blume) wasn't
> sued for anything, as I said: he still holds his position (which
> ironically is to combat antisemtism).
>
> As far as I recall the case was sth like this:
>
> The lawyer (Joachim Steinhöfel) posted a tweet saying that
> Michael Blume is an antisemite while also providing evidence
> for it. Michael Blume was ofc butthurt (just like Herman is
> when you confront him with it) and immediately complained
> to Twitter, Twitter - which at that time was crazy ass woke -
> then ofc deleted said tweet. This prompted Steinhöfel to
> complain at a German court, and the German court ruled
> that Twitter has to make this tweet visible again as it is
> not defamation, but the truth.

Should we start double posting r.m.c.r. discussions on
Twitter? Intriguing thought! ;-)

dk

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Did the KEF 105 come before the B&W 800 series or the other way around?

I think the 801 was launched in 1979.

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 by: Marc S - Thu, 18 May 2023 10:47 UTC

Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 18. Mai 2023 um 11:55:57 UTC+2:
> On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 2:51:38 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> > Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 18. Mai 2023 um 11:10:20 UTC+2:
> > > On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 1:34:07 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> > > >
> > > > There was this case in Germany last year in which a guy -
> > > > Michael Blume - who is an official to fight antisemitism
> > > > was called antisemitic. He - similar to Andy and Herman -
> > > > felt this was injust and tried to go against it; well... court
> > > > ruled that some things he said were indeed antisemitic
> > > > and that it is allowed to call him that.
> > >
> > > Fascinating! Thanks for the info. This means you can be
> > > sued in Germany for your anti-semitic rants on YouTube?
> Oops! I meant on r.m.c.r.

Well... I am no lawyer... I can't say... but after thinking about it more thoroughly... hmmm... it's probably difficult... even if it were on YT... so many factors at play... it also depends on the court.

There are some things - such as saying "Heil Hitler", which is a criminal offense - that will usually get you in trouble without any question. In the end though it seems that the German authorities sort of focus only on rightwing-antisemitism (leftist government you know...) and never say a word about leftwing and islamic antisemitism. I think that this has to do with the Germans (unconciously) feeling the need to rectify themselves for the past; in that they want to show the world how open they are... open for islam, open for transgender... while in the past the Germans were only open for Arians.. basically the Germans are so "anti-racist" now that they deem criticism of islam as being racist (forgetting that islam isn't a race and at the same time promoting hatred towards orthodox jews and christians)... Many think of the Jews as the new muslims... you know: In the past Jews were hated, and today it's the muslims - HAHA... that islamic antisemitism ranks nr 1 on every poll of every Jewish Agency in Europe just gets ignored... the Hatred of Muslims towards Jews gets ignored.

There was a demonstration in my city a few years ago in which there were masses of muslims chanting "Heil hitler" and "death to the jews" (there was a vid of this on yt, and probably still is) - infront of the police - nothing happened...

Why does Germany even allow "al-quds"-demonstrations? Every year muslims iN Berlin go on "al-quds"-demosntrations chanting "Kindermörder Israel" (child-killer Israel)... You would think that if people took antisemtism seriously, they would just stop this nonsense... but no... "Same procedure as every year".

Or there was a case in which hudnreds of muslims gathered infront of a synagogue chanting "Death to the Jews" "kindermörder israel"... did anyone get sued? I don't think so... and where were the Germans to stop this madness? Nowhere to be found. They were at home, just as they were at home when the Jews got deported... and if you ask Germans about this, many will tell you that Israel is an Apartheid state and that the Israeli Miltiary is ruthless and kills children (you know... just liek Ray talks abotu Israel as a "killing machine") and that the Israelis took away the homes of the "Palestinians" and that's why we have to sort of understand this insanity...

Look... I have posted an article of a big Austrian newspaper on RMCR that equated Netanyahu with the KKK... this is imo a pretty clear case of antisemtism, yet nothing happened... the writer wasn't sued or anything.

As long as you promote leftwing and islamic antisemitism you are probably fine... I mean Michael Blume didn't get sued you see...

> > I would assume so.
> >
> > In this case though the antisemite (Michael Blume) wasn't
> > sued for anything, as I said: he still holds his position (which
> > ironically is to combat antisemtism).
> >
> > As far as I recall the case was sth like this:
> >
> > The lawyer (Joachim Steinhöfel) posted a tweet saying that
> > Michael Blume is an antisemite while also providing evidence
> > for it. Michael Blume was ofc butthurt (just like Herman is
> > when you confront him with it) and immediately complained
> > to Twitter, Twitter - which at that time was crazy ass woke -
> > then ofc deleted said tweet. This prompted Steinhöfel to
> > complain at a German court, and the German court ruled
> > that Twitter has to make this tweet visible again as it is
> > not defamation, but the truth.
> Should we start double posting r.m.c.r. discussions on
> Twitter? Intriguing thought! ;-)

Hehe

>
> dk

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Marc S schrieb am Donnerstag, 18. Mai 2023 um 12:47:46 UTC+2:
> Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 18. Mai 2023 um 11:55:57 UTC+2:
> > On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 2:51:38 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> > > Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 18. Mai 2023 um 11:10:20 UTC+2:
> > > > On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 1:34:07 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > There was this case in Germany last year in which a guy -
> > > > > Michael Blume - who is an official to fight antisemitism
> > > > > was called antisemitic. He - similar to Andy and Herman -
> > > > > felt this was injust and tried to go against it; well... court
> > > > > ruled that some things he said were indeed antisemitic
> > > > > and that it is allowed to call him that.
> > > >
> > > > Fascinating! Thanks for the info. This means you can be
> > > > sued in Germany for your anti-semitic rants on YouTube?
> > Oops! I meant on r.m.c.r.
> Well... I am no lawyer... I can't say... but after thinking about it more thoroughly... hmmm... it's probably difficult... even if it were on YT... so many factors at play... it also depends on the court.
>
> There are some things - such as saying "Heil Hitler", which is a criminal offense - that will usually get you in trouble without any question. In the end though it seems that the German authorities sort of focus only on rightwing-antisemitism (leftist government you know...) and never say a word about leftwing and islamic antisemitism. I think that this has to do with the Germans (unconciously) feeling the need to rectify themselves for the past; in that they want to show the world how open they are... open for islam, open for transgender... while in the past the Germans were only open for Arians.. basically the Germans are so "anti-racist" now that they deem criticism of islam as being racist (forgetting that islam isn't a race and at the same time promoting hatred towards orthodox jews and christians)... Many think of the Jews as the new muslims... you know: In the past Jews were hated, and today it's the muslims - HAHA... that islamic antisemitism ranks nr 1 on every poll of every Jewish Agency in Europe just gets ignored... the Hatred of Muslims towards Jews gets ignored.
>
> There was a demonstration in my city a few years ago in which there were masses of muslims chanting "Heil hitler" and "death to the jews" (there was a vid of this on yt, and probably still is) - infront of the police - nothing happened...
>
> Why does Germany even allow "al-quds"-demonstrations? Every year muslims iN Berlin go on "al-quds"-demosntrations chanting "Kindermörder Israel" (child-killer Israel)... You would think that if people took antisemtism seriously, they would just stop this nonsense... but no... "Same procedure as every year".
>
> Or there was a case in which hudnreds of muslims gathered infront of a synagogue chanting "Death to the Jews" "kindermörder israel"... did anyone get sued? I don't think so... and where were the Germans to stop this madness? Nowhere to be found. They were at home, just as they were at home when the Jews got deported... and if you ask Germans about this, many will tell you that Israel is an Apartheid state and that the Israeli Miltiary is ruthless and kills children (you know... just liek Ray talks abotu Israel as a "killing machine") and that the Israelis took away the homes of the "Palestinians" and that's why we have to sort of understand this insanity...
>
> Look... I have posted an article of a big Austrian newspaper on RMCR that equated Netanyahu with the KKK... this is imo a pretty clear case of antisemtism, yet nothing happened... the writer wasn't sued or anything.

*I think it was rather that they equated the IDF with the KKK; because right wing government in Israel means that the IDF is KKK...
>
> As long as you promote leftwing and islamic antisemitism you are probably fine... I mean Michael Blume didn't get sued you see...
> > > I would assume so.
> > >
> > > In this case though the antisemite (Michael Blume) wasn't
> > > sued for anything, as I said: he still holds his position (which
> > > ironically is to combat antisemtism).
> > >
> > > As far as I recall the case was sth like this:
> > >
> > > The lawyer (Joachim Steinhöfel) posted a tweet saying that
> > > Michael Blume is an antisemite while also providing evidence
> > > for it. Michael Blume was ofc butthurt (just like Herman is
> > > when you confront him with it) and immediately complained
> > > to Twitter, Twitter - which at that time was crazy ass woke -
> > > then ofc deleted said tweet. This prompted Steinhöfel to
> > > complain at a German court, and the German court ruled
> > > that Twitter has to make this tweet visible again as it is
> > > not defamation, but the truth.
> > Should we start double posting r.m.c.r. discussions on
> > Twitter? Intriguing thought! ;-)
> Hehe
>
> >
> > dk

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I had a chance to audition Magico loudspeakers the other day at KJ W1, but the transport links were poor so with much regret I passed it up. I wanted to talk with Alon Wolf, the founder, about how to damp aluminium panels, since I have an aluminium enclosure in construction. I'm a fan of Magico and Piega. Aluminium is ideal for speaker cabinets but unfortunately difficult to machine with DIY tools, as I am currently finding out.

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Andy Evans schrieb am Donnerstag, 18. Mai 2023 um 12:53:02 UTC+2:
> I had a chance to audition Magico loudspeakers the other day at KJ W1, but the transport links were poor so with much regret I passed it up. I wanted to talk with Alon Wolf, the founder, about how to damp aluminium panels, since I have an aluminium enclosure in construction. I'm a fan of Magico and Piega. Aluminium is ideal for speaker cabinets but unfortunately difficult to machine with DIY tools, as I am currently finding out.

What do you think about the Hoffmann Bechstein upright? And btw... I think Ravel sucks.

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Marc S schrieb am Donnerstag, 18. Mai 2023 um 12:47:46 UTC+2:
> Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 18. Mai 2023 um 11:55:57 UTC+2:
> > On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 2:51:38 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> > > Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 18. Mai 2023 um 11:10:20 UTC+2:
> > > > On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 1:34:07 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > There was this case in Germany last year in which a guy -
> > > > > Michael Blume - who is an official to fight antisemitism
> > > > > was called antisemitic. He - similar to Andy and Herman -
> > > > > felt this was injust and tried to go against it; well... court
> > > > > ruled that some things he said were indeed antisemitic
> > > > > and that it is allowed to call him that.
> > > >
> > > > Fascinating! Thanks for the info. This means you can be
> > > > sued in Germany for your anti-semitic rants on YouTube?
> > Oops! I meant on r.m.c.r.
> Well... I am no lawyer... I can't say... but after thinking about it more thoroughly... hmmm... it's probably difficult... even if it were on YT... so many factors at play... it also depends on the court.
>
> There are some things - such as saying "Heil Hitler", which is a criminal offense - that will usually get you in trouble without any question. In the end though it seems that the German authorities sort of focus only on rightwing-antisemitism (leftist government you know...) and never say a word about leftwing and islamic antisemitism. I think that this has to do with the Germans (unconciously) feeling the need to rectify themselves for the past; in that they want to show the world how open they are... open for islam, open for transgender... while in the past the Germans were only open for Arians.. basically the Germans are so "anti-racist" now that they deem criticism of islam as being racist (forgetting that islam isn't a race and at the same time promoting hatred towards orthodox jews and christians)... Many think of the Jews as the new muslims... you know:

Many think of the muslims as the new jews*

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Andy Evans schrieb am Donnerstag, 18. Mai 2023 um 13:03:10 UTC+2:
> Next theme: new/fresh
>
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> 7. Starting Over Again - Natalie Cole
> 8. Papa's Got a Brand New Bag - James Brown
> 9. Like A Virgin - Madonna
> 10. I've Got To Find Myself A Brand New Baby - David Ruffin
> 11. (Marie's the Name) His Latest Flame - Elvis Presley
> 12. New Rhumba - Ahmad Jamal

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The hole saw should work if you take it slow. WD40 is a good cutting lubricant for aluminium. With aluminium some cutting fluid is needed to stop balling. Oil or paraffin would be ok.
Another idea - several holes with smaller hole saws. Or use a jigsaw.
You can get coping saw blades for metal, and jigsaw blades as well, I cut out frames in 4 mm stainless steel with a jigsaw, lubed the blade with soap and water. I wouldn't want to do it again though, it was noisy and took a while but it got the job done.
If you have more than one, clamp them together first. And clamp a sacrificial sheet of wood behind it to avoid a raggy break out at the end.
A tank-cutter would do that, with an old brace and bit. They used to be
used to make holes for immersion heaters, in the water cylinders.
I should think it should be no problem as I said in the first reply before
the advent of portable tools for the masses, that is how old time plumbers
used to make holes in galvanised steel tanks admittedly much smaller holes
than you are planning but aluminium is far more softer than steel. It
probably should suffer less from friction with only a single point cutter
however I would be careful about how much pressure you apply as it might
dig the cutter point into the metal. It is probably better to do the cut in
several shallow cuts to get a smooth finish.
As for using a drill press if you can get the rotational speed down to
double figures and have some means of holding the metal other than by hand it should be possible if you take it easy.
6" is max diameter on the circle saws. If I had to choose this or the Milwaukee cutter method, I'd try this . They’re good heavy guage steel. Chiseling on the horizontal would be much better and safer

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