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 by: Gerard - Thu, 18 May 2023 14:43 UTC

Any opinions about the Beethoven violin sonatas by Papavrami and Guy?
Here's a review:
https://www.davidsclassicalcds.com/blog/beethoven-with-a-breath-of-fresh-air

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Subject: Re: Beethoven violin sonatas by Papavrami and Guy
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 by: Andy Evans - Thu, 18 May 2023 15:00 UTC

On Thursday, 18 May 2023 at 15:43:36 UTC+1, Gerard wrote:
> Any opinions about the Beethoven violin sonatas by Papavrami and Guy?
> Here's a review:
> https://www.davidsclassicalcds.com/blog/beethoven-with-a-breath-of-fresh-air

I have a few problems with this duo
- They're not always well synchronised
- They pull the music about quite a bit trying to be expressive
- I'm not a fan of Papavrami's violin tone.

So I'm afraid it's a no from me. My notes for the violin sonatas look like they recommend these:
Plocek/Páleníček
Dumay/Pires
Suk/Panenka

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Subject: Re: Beethoven violin sonatas by Papavrami and Guy
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 by: Gerard - Fri, 19 May 2023 10:18 UTC

Op donderdag 18 mei 2023 om 17:00:26 UTC+2 schreef Andy Evans:
> On Thursday, 18 May 2023 at 15:43:36 UTC+1, Gerard wrote:
> > Any opinions about the Beethoven violin sonatas by Papavrami and Guy?
> > Here's a review:
> > https://www.davidsclassicalcds.com/blog/beethoven-with-a-breath-of-fresh-air
> I have a few problems with this duo
> - They're not always well synchronised
> - They pull the music about quite a bit trying to be expressive
> - I'm not a fan of Papavrami's violin tone.
>
> So I'm afraid it's a no from me. My notes for the violin sonatas look like they recommend these:
> Plocek/Páleníček
> Dumay/Pires
> Suk/Panenka

Thanks. You confirm my impression that the review was overenthusiastic.

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 by: Andy Evans - Fri, 19 May 2023 11:05 UTC

On Friday, 19 May 2023 at 11:18:46 UTC+1, Gerard wrote:

> Thanks. You confirm my impression that the review was overenthusiastic.

Some like "expressive" self-indulgent readings that pull the music about. I'm not one. I like intelligent and insightful performances that have balanced tempi and a naturally musical melody line. Some degree of charm is an added bonus - the performers have to absolutely love the music and convey that love.

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Op vrijdag 19 mei 2023 om 13:05:20 UTC+2 schreef Andy Evans:
> On Friday, 19 May 2023 at 11:18:46 UTC+1, Gerard wrote:
>
> > Thanks. You confirm my impression that the review was overenthusiastic.
> Some like "expressive" self-indulgent readings that pull the music about. I'm not one. I like intelligent and insightful performances that have balanced tempi and a naturally musical melody line. Some degree of charm is an added bonus - the performers have to absolutely love the music and convey that love.

I fully agree, and yet, we often disagree about specific performances. It once again confirms how difficult it is to express our likes and dislikes in music and/or to objectively perceive music

Henk

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 by: Andy Evans - Fri, 19 May 2023 16:13 UTC

On Friday, 19 May 2023 at 14:08:54 UTC+1, HT wrote:

> I fully agree, and yet, we often disagree about specific performances. It once again confirms how difficult it is to express our likes and dislikes in music and/or to objectively perceive music
>
> Henk

Yes, absolutely. For instance I find HJ Lim plain weird and thoroughly enjoy Backhaus, but I imagine I'm not the only one there.

I'm aware of my usual filters...
- I dislike grandiose music and grandstanding performers, especially Bernstein
- I dislike added "energy" especially in Sibelius, but also in string quartets e.g. the Berg.

I always consider reviews that say "lacks energy" as a good starting point.

I'm a big fan of Boulez and Ansermet in just about anything. And anything with charm. Like Campoli and Horowitz. Put me down for Cool and Intelligent with Charm, and more and more so as the years pass by.

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 by: HT - Fri, 19 May 2023 17:34 UTC

Op vrijdag 19 mei 2023 om 18:13:30 UTC+2 schreef Andy Evans:
> On Friday, 19 May 2023 at 14:08:54 UTC+1, HT wrote:
>
> > I fully agree, and yet, we often disagree about specific performances. It once again confirms how difficult it is to express our likes and dislikes in music and/or to objectively perceive music
> >
> > Henk
> Yes, absolutely. For instance I find HJ Lim plain weird and thoroughly enjoy Backhaus, but I imagine I'm not the only one there.
>
> I'm aware of my usual filters...
> - I dislike grandiose music and grandstanding performers, especially Bernstein
> - I dislike added "energy" especially in Sibelius, but also in string quartets e.g. the Berg.
>
> I always consider reviews that say "lacks energy" as a good starting point.
>
> I'm a big fan of Boulez and Ansermet in just about anything. And anything with charm. Like Campoli and Horowitz. Put me down for Cool and Intelligent with Charm, and more and more so as the years pass by.

My tastes are simple. Performances should be easy to listen to - and, if necessary, easy to look at. It's one of the reasons why I cannot stand for example Trifonov, Kopatchinskaya, Takacs quartet, and Gergiev. Not to mention opera and ballet.

Henk

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 by: Mandryka - Fri, 19 May 2023 17:39 UTC

Well it's a lovely Spring day today in London and so I thought I'd try Papavrami and Guy playing the Spring Sonata. I think that Guy's piano playing in this sonata is absolutely wonderful and a reason in itself to explore the set if you're interested in the music.

The conception seemed quite natural to me, but I've got no preconceptions about what the music should sound like. It must be 10 years since I last heard the Spring Sonata! If they're pulling it about, it seemed organic pulling, pulling at the service of something nice to hear. If they're not well synchronised, then all I can say is that bad synchronisation made for a good experience for me in the Spring Sonata.

Papavrami seemed OK too. Forceful projection, operatic is maybe the word I'm looking for. This is Beethoven so I guess that's OK.

Annoyingly Qobuz say they have the booklet but I can't see it. Can anyone help.

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 by: Todd M. McComb - Fri, 19 May 2023 18:02 UTC

In article <a68997fc-a1b6-4088-a533-7be98cd7ecc3n@googlegroups.com>,
Mandryka <howie.stone01@gmail.com> wrote:
>Annoyingly Qobuz say they have the booklet but I can't see it.

I had a problem like this recently with Qobuz, and they responded
the following day to my inquiry.

Since the demise of Harmonia Mundi, though, I don't have another
access.

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 by: Andy Evans - Fri, 19 May 2023 22:47 UTC

On Friday, 19 May 2023 at 18:39:43 UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
> Well it's a lovely Spring day today in London and so I thought I'd try Papavrami and Guy playing the Spring Sonata.

It was indeed a lovely Spring day today in London. I went out and had a Guinness with an A&R guy.

I hope for many more days like this before it gets too hot to enjoy going out in the heat.

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