On 3/15/2023 6:56 PM, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 11:38:49 PM UTC+11, Dan Koren wrote:
>> On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 11:23:39 PM UTC-7, Andrew Clarke wrote:
>>>
>>> of course there's no room for your $250,000
>>> sound system even if it wasn't in hock,
>> I never owned a $250,000 sound system.
>>
>> dk
>
> They repossessed it after Enron went bust.
>
> Andrew Clarke
> Canberra

There's Grosvenor CD coming out in a couple of days - Brahms and Schumann

https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/9425242--schumann-brahms

On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 3:56:27 PM UTC-7, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 11:38:49 PM UTC+11, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 11:23:39 PM UTC-7, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> > >
> > > of course there's no room for your $250,000
> > > sound system even if it wasn't in hock,
> >
> > I never owned a $250,000 sound system.
>
> They repossessed it after Enron went bust.

Someone else. There are several
hundred Dan Korens worldwide.

dk

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 5:04:53 PM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote:
> This may be stretching the meaning of "recording" a bit. :)
> Benjamin Grosvenor is giving a recital at the Steinway
> Society of San Jose on March 25, also (like their entire
> season) available on livestream for 48 hours starting at
> recital time, at a reduced livestream price of $20.
> https://steinwaysociety.com/concerts/benjamin-grosvenor-2022-2023/
> The program is of familiar works (which some might
> consider a negative): Bach-Busoni Chaconne,
> Schumann Fantasie, Ravel Tombeau, Prokofiev #7.
>

Thanks for the tip. I just came back from the concert.

It was fabulous! Everything perfect. As good as piano
playing can possibly get on a Stoneway. I wish he could
have played on a Fazioli or on a Bosie, but this was a
Stoneway event. The instrument provided by the SJ
Steinway Society was decent for San Jose, however
not as good or as well tuned as the one he played 4
years ago in San Francisco.

The livestream is available for a couple of days.
Very highly recommended if one can afford it.

dk

On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 7:06:49 AM UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 5:04:53 PM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote:
> > This may be stretching the meaning of "recording" a bit. :)
> > Benjamin Grosvenor is giving a recital at the Steinway
> > Society of San Jose on March 25, also (like their entire
> > season) available on livestream for 48 hours starting at
> > recital time, at a reduced livestream price of $20.
> > https://steinwaysociety.com/concerts/benjamin-grosvenor-2022-2023/
> > The program is of familiar works (which some might
> > consider a negative): Bach-Busoni Chaconne,
> > Schumann Fantasie, Ravel Tombeau, Prokofiev #7.
> >
> Thanks for the tip. I just came back from the concert.
>
> It was fabulous! Everything perfect. As good as piano
> playing can possibly get on a Stoneway. I wish he could
> have played on a Fazioli or on a Bosie, but this was a
> Stoneway event. The instrument provided by the SJ
> Steinway Society was decent for San Jose, however
> not as good or as well tuned as the one he played 4
> years ago in San Francisco.
>
> The livestream is available for a couple of days.
> Very highly recommended if one can afford it.
>
> dk

I heard the same recital in London last night and was disappointed. But to start of on a positive note, he can play loud and the sound he made is beautiful - bell like and singing. And he is a virtuoso. Most of all he is impressively authoritative - it’s like, he knows exactly what he wants and he knows how to make his piano deliver it.

The Busoni was fine. The Fantasy was just lacking in humanity and feeling, the Etwas Bewegter passage in the second movement was totally lost. The Tombeau was rather nice. The first movement of the Prokofiev was jaw droppingly virtuosic, the second movement certainly did not make time stand still - and by now I was starting to think that this piano playing is empty swaggering. By the end he’d even lost the beautiful tone - just annoying loud bluster.

Packed hall, lots of people below 30 and many well below, they cheered their heads off at the end. I beat a hasty retreat to the pub to avoid the inevitable encore.

On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 11:44:49 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
> On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 7:06:49 AM UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 5:04:53 PM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote:
> > > This may be stretching the meaning of "recording" a bit. :)
> > > Benjamin Grosvenor is giving a recital at the Steinway
> > > Society of San Jose on March 25, also (like their entire
> > > season) available on livestream for 48 hours starting at
> > > recital time, at a reduced livestream price of $20.
> > > https://steinwaysociety.com/concerts/benjamin-grosvenor-2022-2023/
> > > The program is of familiar works (which some might
> > > consider a negative): Bach-Busoni Chaconne,
> > > Schumann Fantasie, Ravel Tombeau, Prokofiev #7.
> > >
> > Thanks for the tip. I just came back from the concert.
> >
> > It was fabulous! Everything perfect. As good as piano
> > playing can possibly get on a Stoneway. I wish he could
> > have played on a Fazioli or on a Bosie, but this was a
> > Stoneway event. The instrument provided by the SJ
> > Steinway Society was decent for San Jose, however
> > not as good or as well tuned as the one he played 4
> > years ago in San Francisco.
> >
> > The livestream is available for a couple of days.
> > Very highly recommended if one can afford it.
> >
> > dk
> I heard the same recital in London last night and was disappointed. But to start of on a positive note, he can play loud and the sound he made is beautiful - bell like and singing. And he is a virtuoso. Most of all he is impressively authoritative - it’s like, he knows exactly what he wants and he knows how to make his piano deliver it.
>
> The Busoni was fine. The Fantasy was just lacking in humanity and feeling, the Etwas Bewegter passage in the second movement was totally lost. The Tombeau was rather nice. The first movement of the Prokofiev was jaw droppingly virtuosic, the second movement certainly did not make time stand still - and by now I was starting to think that this piano playing is empty swaggering. By the end he’d even lost the beautiful tone - just annoying loud bluster.
>
> Packed hall, lots of people below 30 and many well below, they cheered their heads off at the end. I beat a hasty retreat to the pub to avoid the inevitable encore.

rather harsh comments!!

ab

On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 6:30:59 PM UTC+1, AB wrote:
> On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 11:44:49 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 7:06:49 AM UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 5:04:53 PM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote:
> > > > This may be stretching the meaning of "recording" a bit. :)
> > > > Benjamin Grosvenor is giving a recital at the Steinway
> > > > Society of San Jose on March 25, also (like their entire
> > > > season) available on livestream for 48 hours starting at
> > > > recital time, at a reduced livestream price of $20.
> > > > https://steinwaysociety.com/concerts/benjamin-grosvenor-2022-2023/
> > > > The program is of familiar works (which some might
> > > > consider a negative): Bach-Busoni Chaconne,
> > > > Schumann Fantasie, Ravel Tombeau, Prokofiev #7.
> > > >
> > > Thanks for the tip. I just came back from the concert.
> > >
> > > It was fabulous! Everything perfect. As good as piano
> > > playing can possibly get on a Stoneway. I wish he could
> > > have played on a Fazioli or on a Bosie, but this was a
> > > Stoneway event. The instrument provided by the SJ
> > > Steinway Society was decent for San Jose, however
> > > not as good or as well tuned as the one he played 4
> > > years ago in San Francisco.
> > >
> > > The livestream is available for a couple of days.
> > > Very highly recommended if one can afford it.
> > >
> > > dk
> > I heard the same recital in London last night and was disappointed. But to start of on a positive note, he can play loud and the sound he made is beautiful - bell like and singing. And he is a virtuoso. Most of all he is impressively authoritative - it’s like, he knows exactly what he wants and he knows how to make his piano deliver it.
> >
> > The Busoni was fine. The Fantasy was just lacking in humanity and feeling, the Etwas Bewegter passage in the second movement was totally lost. The Tombeau was rather nice. The first movement of the Prokofiev was jaw droppingly virtuosic, the second movement certainly did not make time stand still - and by now I was starting to think that this piano playing is empty swaggering. By the end he’d even lost the beautiful tone - just annoying loud bluster.
> >
> > Packed hall, lots of people below 30 and many well below, they cheered their heads off at the end. I beat a hasty retreat to the pub to avoid the inevitable encore.
> rather harsh comments!!
>
>
>
>
> ab

Oh come come now. I said loads of positive things.

On 2023-05-08 17:41:23 +0000, Mandryka said:

> On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 6:30:59 PM UTC+1, AB wrote:
>> On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 11:44:49 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:> > On
>> Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 7:06:49 AM UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:> > > On
>> Friday, March 10, 2023 at 5:04:53 PM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote:> > > >
>> This may be stretching the meaning of "recording" a bit. :)> > > >
>> Benjamin Grosvenor is giving a recital at the Steinway> > > > Society
>> of San Jose on March 25, also (like their entire> > > > season)
>> available on livestream for 48 hours starting at> > > > recital time,
>> at a reduced livestream price of $20.> > > >
>> https://steinwaysociety.com/concerts/benjamin-grosvenor-2022-2023/> > >
>> > The program is of familiar works (which some might> > > > consider a
>> negative): Bach-Busoni Chaconne,> > > > Schumann Fantasie, Ravel
>> Tombeau, Prokofiev #7.> > > >> > > Thanks for the tip. I just came back
>> from the concert.> > >> > > It was fabulous! Everything perfect. As
>> good as piano> > > playing can possibly get on a Stoneway. I wish he
>> could> > > have played on a Fazioli or on a Bosie, but this was a> > >
>> Stoneway event. The instrument provided by the SJ> > > Steinway Society
>> was decent for San Jose, however> > > not as good or as well tuned as
>> the one he played 4> > > years ago in San Francisco.> > >> > > The
>> livestream is available for a couple of days.> > > Very highly
>> recommended if one can afford it.> > >> > > dk> > I heard the same
>> recital in London last night and was disappointed. But to start of on a
>> positive note, he can play loud and the sound he made is beautiful -
>> bell like and singing. And he is a virtuoso. Most of all he is
>> impressively authoritative - it’s like, he knows exactly what he wants
>> and he knows how to make his piano deliver it.> >> > The Busoni was
>> fine. The Fantasy was just lacking in humanity and feeling, the Etwas
>> Bewegter passage in the second movement was totally lost. The Tombeau
>> was rather nice. The first movement of the Prokofiev was jaw droppingly
>> virtuosic, the second movement certainly did not make time stand still
>> - and by now I was starting to think that this piano playing is empty
>> swaggering. By the end he’d even lost the beautiful tone - just
>> annoying loud bluster.> >> > Packed hall, lots of people below 30 and
>> many well below, they cheered their heads off at the end. I beat a
>> hasty retreat to the pub to avoid the inevitable encore.
>> rather harsh comments!!>>>>> ab
>
> Oh come come now. I said loads of positive things.

Yes, you did! Your review sounded to me more like, he was tired and he
ran out of gas.

-Owen

Mandryka schrieb am Montag, 8. Mai 2023 um 19:41:26 UTC+2:
> On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 6:30:59 PM UTC+1, AB wrote:
> > On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 11:44:49 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
> > > On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 7:06:49 AM UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > > On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 5:04:53 PM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote:
> > > > > This may be stretching the meaning of "recording" a bit. :)
> > > > > Benjamin Grosvenor is giving a recital at the Steinway
> > > > > Society of San Jose on March 25, also (like their entire
> > > > > season) available on livestream for 48 hours starting at
> > > > > recital time, at a reduced livestream price of $20.
> > > > > https://steinwaysociety.com/concerts/benjamin-grosvenor-2022-2023/
> > > > > The program is of familiar works (which some might
> > > > > consider a negative): Bach-Busoni Chaconne,
> > > > > Schumann Fantasie, Ravel Tombeau, Prokofiev #7.
> > > > >
> > > > Thanks for the tip. I just came back from the concert.
> > > >
> > > > It was fabulous! Everything perfect. As good as piano
> > > > playing can possibly get on a Stoneway. I wish he could
> > > > have played on a Fazioli or on a Bosie, but this was a
> > > > Stoneway event. The instrument provided by the SJ
> > > > Steinway Society was decent for San Jose, however
> > > > not as good or as well tuned as the one he played 4
> > > > years ago in San Francisco.
> > > >
> > > > The livestream is available for a couple of days.
> > > > Very highly recommended if one can afford it.
> > > >
> > > > dk
> > > I heard the same recital in London last night and was disappointed. But to start of on a positive note, he can play loud and the sound he made is beautiful - bell like and singing. And he is a virtuoso. Most of all he is impressively authoritative - it’s like, he knows exactly what he wants and he knows how to make his piano deliver it.
> > >
> > > The Busoni was fine. The Fantasy was just lacking in humanity and feeling, the Etwas Bewegter passage in the second movement was totally lost. The Tombeau was rather nice. The first movement of the Prokofiev was jaw droppingly virtuosic, the second movement certainly did not make time stand still - and by now I was starting to think that this piano playing is empty swaggering. By the end he’d even lost the beautiful tone - just annoying loud bluster.
> > >
> > > Packed hall, lots of people below 30 and many well below, they cheered their heads off at the end. I beat a hasty retreat to the pub to avoid the inevitable encore.
> > rather harsh comments!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ab
> Oh come come now. I said loads of positive things.

Yet you were disappointed... So, all the positive things you said don't matter in the end.

Imagine yourself opening up to your heartthrob and then getting a response like "Yeah, you have many positive traits, but I just don't like you"...

I don't like Grosvenor as well from what I heard, just a little Mozart and Bach, which both left me completely unimpressed, and I don't feel like he is going to be a significant musician in any way in the future...

On another note: Howie... if you can't find anything wrong with minors performing nude in an opera there is seriously something wrong with you as well.... this is some crazy shit honestly Howie... and yes, our values are just very far apart here... you know Howie... this really is not a case of "De gustibus", but a clear case of "you need to reflect a little on the shit you are thinking"... I don't think that you are a pedophile... but this world is not as innocent as you like to believe Howie... not everyone is as nice as you (if you are that is)... you really need to get in touch with reality.... sexual exploitation of minors is not good in any way... this can be traumatic for some kids...

Referring to:

https://www.talkclassical.com/threads/100-naked-volunteers-needed-for-opera..84827/#post-2489915

On 2023-05-09 04:42:07 +0000, Marc S said:

> Mandryka schrieb am Montag, 8. Mai 2023 um 19:41:26 UTC+2:
>> On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 6:30:59 PM UTC+1, AB wrote:> > On Monday, May
>> 8, 2023 at 11:44:49 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:> > > On Sunday, March 26,
>> 2023 at 7:06:49 AM UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:> > > > On Friday, March 10,
>> 2023 at 5:04:53 PM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote:> > > > > This may be
>> stretching the meaning of "recording" a bit. :)> > > > > Benjamin
>> Grosvenor is giving a recital at the Steinway> > > > > Society of San
>> Jose on March 25, also (like their entire> > > > > season) available on
>> livestream for 48 hours starting at> > > > > recital time, at a reduced
>> livestream price of $20.> > > > >
>> https://steinwaysociety.com/concerts/benjamin-grosvenor-2022-2023/> > >
>> > > The program is of familiar works (which some might> > > > >
>> consider a negative): Bach-Busoni Chaconne,> > > > > Schumann Fantasie,
>> Ravel Tombeau, Prokofiev #7.> > > > >> > > > Thanks for the tip. I just
>> came back from the concert.> > > >> > > > It was fabulous! Everything
>> perfect. As good as piano> > > > playing can possibly get on a
>> Stoneway. I wish he could> > > > have played on a Fazioli or on a
>> Bosie, but this was a> > > > Stoneway event. The instrument provided by
>> the SJ> > > > Steinway Society was decent for San Jose, however> > > >
>> not as good or as well tuned as the one he played 4> > > > years ago in
>> San Francisco.> > > >> > > > The livestream is available for a couple
>> of days.> > > > Very highly recommended if one can afford it.> > > >> >
>> > > dk> > > I heard the same recital in London last night and was
>> disappointed. But to start of on a positive note, he can play loud and
>> the sound he made is beautiful - bell like and singing. And he is a
>> virtuoso. Most of all he is impressively authoritative - it’s like, he
>> knows exactly what he wants and he knows how to make his piano deliver
>> it.> > >> > > The Busoni was fine. The Fantasy was just lacking in
>> humanity and feeling, the Etwas Bewegter passage in the second movement
>> was totally lost. The Tombeau was rather nice. The first movement of
>> the Prokofiev was jaw droppingly virtuosic, the second movement
>> certainly did not make time stand still - and by now I was starting to
>> think that this piano playing is empty swaggering. By the end he’d even
>> lost the beautiful tone - just annoying loud bluster.> > >> > > Packed
>> hall, lots of people below 30 and many well below, they cheered their
>> heads off at the end. I beat a hasty retreat to the pub to avoid the
>> inevitable encore.> > rather harsh comments!!> >> >> >> >> > ab
>> Oh come come now. I said loads of positive things.
>
> Yet you were disappointed... So, all the positive things you said don't
> matter in the end.
>
> Imagine yourself opening up to your heartthrob and then getting a
> response like "Yeah, you have many positive traits, but I just don't
> like you"...
>
> I don't like Grosvenor as well from what I heard, just a little Mozart
> and Bach, which both left me completely unimpressed, and I don't feel
> like he is going to be a significant musician in any way in the
> future...
>
> On another note: Howie... if you can't find anything wrong with minors
> performing nude in an opera there is seriously something wrong with you
> as well... this is some crazy shit honestly Howie... and yes, our
> values are just very far apart here... you know Howie... this really is
> not a case of "De gustibus", but a clear case of "you need to reflect a
> little on the shit you are thinking"... I don't think that you are a
> pedophile... but this world is not as innocent as you like to believe
> Howie... not everyone is as nice as you (if you are that is)... you
> really need to get in touch with reality... sexual exploitation of
> minors is not good in any way... this can be traumatic for some kids...
>
> Referring to:
>
> https://www.talkclassical.com/threads/100-naked-volunteers-needed-for-opera.84827/#post-2489915
>

They won't be nude: "La Monnaie will provide them with flesh-colored
underwear to imitate naked bodies." And they may not be minors, they
have to be 16 years old, but whether that is considered a minor in
Brussels is unknown to me.

The headline was from LeBrecht, whose score on accurate reportage is not high.

Of course, you might want to ask why someone would feel the need to
"imitate naked bodies" at all, with the opera world previously shaken
by several sexual assault scandals, i.e. Domingo, James Levine, etc.

-Owen

Owen Hartnett schrieb am Dienstag, 9. Mai 2023 um 19:57:44 UTC+2:
> On 2023-05-09 04:42:07 +0000, Marc S said:
> > Mandryka schrieb am Montag, 8. Mai 2023 um 19:41:26 UTC+2:
> >> On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 6:30:59 PM UTC+1, AB wrote:> > On Monday, May
> >> 8, 2023 at 11:44:49 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:> > > On Sunday, March 26,
> >> 2023 at 7:06:49 AM UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:> > > > On Friday, March 10,
> >> 2023 at 5:04:53 PM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote:> > > > > This may be
> >> stretching the meaning of "recording" a bit. :)> > > > > Benjamin
> >> Grosvenor is giving a recital at the Steinway> > > > > Society of San
> >> Jose on March 25, also (like their entire> > > > > season) available on
> >> livestream for 48 hours starting at> > > > > recital time, at a reduced
> >> livestream price of $20.> > > > >
> >> https://steinwaysociety.com/concerts/benjamin-grosvenor-2022-2023/> > >
> >> > > The program is of familiar works (which some might> > > > >
> >> consider a negative): Bach-Busoni Chaconne,> > > > > Schumann Fantasie,
> >> Ravel Tombeau, Prokofiev #7.> > > > >> > > > Thanks for the tip. I just
> >> came back from the concert.> > > >> > > > It was fabulous! Everything
> >> perfect. As good as piano> > > > playing can possibly get on a
> >> Stoneway. I wish he could> > > > have played on a Fazioli or on a
> >> Bosie, but this was a> > > > Stoneway event. The instrument provided by
> >> the SJ> > > > Steinway Society was decent for San Jose, however> > > >
> >> not as good or as well tuned as the one he played 4> > > > years ago in
> >> San Francisco.> > > >> > > > The livestream is available for a couple
> >> of days.> > > > Very highly recommended if one can afford it.> > > >> >
> >> > > dk> > > I heard the same recital in London last night and was
> >> disappointed. But to start of on a positive note, he can play loud and
> >> the sound he made is beautiful - bell like and singing. And he is a
> >> virtuoso. Most of all he is impressively authoritative - it’s like, he
> >> knows exactly what he wants and he knows how to make his piano deliver
> >> it.> > >> > > The Busoni was fine. The Fantasy was just lacking in
> >> humanity and feeling, the Etwas Bewegter passage in the second movement
> >> was totally lost. The Tombeau was rather nice. The first movement of
> >> the Prokofiev was jaw droppingly virtuosic, the second movement
> >> certainly did not make time stand still - and by now I was starting to
> >> think that this piano playing is empty swaggering. By the end he’d even
> >> lost the beautiful tone - just annoying loud bluster.> > >> > > Packed
> >> hall, lots of people below 30 and many well below, they cheered their
> >> heads off at the end. I beat a hasty retreat to the pub to avoid the
> >> inevitable encore.> > rather harsh comments!!> >> >> >> >> > ab
> >> Oh come come now. I said loads of positive things.
> >
> > Yet you were disappointed... So, all the positive things you said don't
> > matter in the end.
> >
> > Imagine yourself opening up to your heartthrob and then getting a
> > response like "Yeah, you have many positive traits, but I just don't
> > like you"...
> >
> > I don't like Grosvenor as well from what I heard, just a little Mozart
> > and Bach, which both left me completely unimpressed, and I don't feel
> > like he is going to be a significant musician in any way in the
> > future...
> >
> > On another note: Howie... if you can't find anything wrong with minors
> > performing nude in an opera there is seriously something wrong with you
> > as well... this is some crazy shit honestly Howie... and yes, our
> > values are just very far apart here... you know Howie... this really is
> > not a case of "De gustibus", but a clear case of "you need to reflect a
> > little on the shit you are thinking"... I don't think that you are a
> > pedophile... but this world is not as innocent as you like to believe
> > Howie... not everyone is as nice as you (if you are that is)... you
> > really need to get in touch with reality... sexual exploitation of
> > minors is not good in any way... this can be traumatic for some kids...
> >
> > Referring to:
> >
> > https://www.talkclassical.com/threads/100-naked-volunteers-needed-for-opera.84827/#post-2489915
> >
>
> They won't be nude: "La Monnaie will provide them with flesh-colored
> underwear to imitate naked bodies." And they may not be minors, they
> have to be 16 years old, but whether that is considered a minor in
> Brussels is unknown to me.
>
> The headline was from LeBrecht, whose score on accurate reportage is not high.
>
> Of course, you might want to ask why someone would feel the need to
> "imitate naked bodies" at all, with the opera world previously shaken
> by several sexual assault scandals, i.e. Domingo, James Levine, etc.
>
> -Owen

You seem to misunderstand that Mandryka was disappointed that they would be performing in flesh-colored underwear and not nude - which i find a bit creepy... read the full thread...

In some cases such things (performing in flesh colored underwear) might be appropriate - can't think of one though; but certainly not wrt 16yos...

Marc S schrieb am Freitag, 19. Mai 2023 um 15:55:03 UTC+2:
> Owen Hartnett schrieb am Dienstag, 9. Mai 2023 um 19:57:44 UTC+2:
> > On 2023-05-09 04:42:07 +0000, Marc S said:
> > > Mandryka schrieb am Montag, 8. Mai 2023 um 19:41:26 UTC+2:
> > >> On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 6:30:59 PM UTC+1, AB wrote:> > On Monday, May
> > >> 8, 2023 at 11:44:49 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:> > > On Sunday, March 26,
> > >> 2023 at 7:06:49 AM UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:> > > > On Friday, March 10,
> > >> 2023 at 5:04:53 PM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote:> > > > > This may be
> > >> stretching the meaning of "recording" a bit. :)> > > > > Benjamin
> > >> Grosvenor is giving a recital at the Steinway> > > > > Society of San
> > >> Jose on March 25, also (like their entire> > > > > season) available on
> > >> livestream for 48 hours starting at> > > > > recital time, at a reduced
> > >> livestream price of $20.> > > > >
> > >> https://steinwaysociety.com/concerts/benjamin-grosvenor-2022-2023/> > >
> > >> > > The program is of familiar works (which some might> > > > >
> > >> consider a negative): Bach-Busoni Chaconne,> > > > > Schumann Fantasie,
> > >> Ravel Tombeau, Prokofiev #7.> > > > >> > > > Thanks for the tip. I just
> > >> came back from the concert.> > > >> > > > It was fabulous! Everything
> > >> perfect. As good as piano> > > > playing can possibly get on a
> > >> Stoneway. I wish he could> > > > have played on a Fazioli or on a
> > >> Bosie, but this was a> > > > Stoneway event. The instrument provided by
> > >> the SJ> > > > Steinway Society was decent for San Jose, however> > > >
> > >> not as good or as well tuned as the one he played 4> > > > years ago in
> > >> San Francisco.> > > >> > > > The livestream is available for a couple
> > >> of days.> > > > Very highly recommended if one can afford it.> > > >> >
> > >> > > dk> > > I heard the same recital in London last night and was
> > >> disappointed. But to start of on a positive note, he can play loud and
> > >> the sound he made is beautiful - bell like and singing. And he is a
> > >> virtuoso. Most of all he is impressively authoritative - it’s like, he
> > >> knows exactly what he wants and he knows how to make his piano deliver
> > >> it.> > >> > > The Busoni was fine. The Fantasy was just lacking in
> > >> humanity and feeling, the Etwas Bewegter passage in the second movement
> > >> was totally lost. The Tombeau was rather nice. The first movement of
> > >> the Prokofiev was jaw droppingly virtuosic, the second movement
> > >> certainly did not make time stand still - and by now I was starting to
> > >> think that this piano playing is empty swaggering. By the end he’d even
> > >> lost the beautiful tone - just annoying loud bluster.> > >> > > Packed
> > >> hall, lots of people below 30 and many well below, they cheered their
> > >> heads off at the end. I beat a hasty retreat to the pub to avoid the
> > >> inevitable encore.> > rather harsh comments!!> >> >> >> >> > ab
> > >> Oh come come now. I said loads of positive things.
> > >
> > > Yet you were disappointed... So, all the positive things you said don't
> > > matter in the end.
> > >
> > > Imagine yourself opening up to your heartthrob and then getting a
> > > response like "Yeah, you have many positive traits, but I just don't
> > > like you"...
> > >
> > > I don't like Grosvenor as well from what I heard, just a little Mozart
> > > and Bach, which both left me completely unimpressed, and I don't feel
> > > like he is going to be a significant musician in any way in the
> > > future...
> > >
> > > On another note: Howie... if you can't find anything wrong with minors
> > > performing nude in an opera there is seriously something wrong with you
> > > as well... this is some crazy shit honestly Howie... and yes, our
> > > values are just very far apart here... you know Howie... this really is
> > > not a case of "De gustibus", but a clear case of "you need to reflect a
> > > little on the shit you are thinking"... I don't think that you are a
> > > pedophile... but this world is not as innocent as you like to believe
> > > Howie... not everyone is as nice as you (if you are that is)... you
> > > really need to get in touch with reality... sexual exploitation of
> > > minors is not good in any way... this can be traumatic for some kids....
> > >
> > > Referring to:
> > >
> > > https://www.talkclassical.com/threads/100-naked-volunteers-needed-for-opera.84827/#post-2489915
> > >
> >
> > They won't be nude: "La Monnaie will provide them with flesh-colored
> > underwear to imitate naked bodies." And they may not be minors, they
> > have to be 16 years old, but whether that is considered a minor in
> > Brussels is unknown to me.
> >
> > The headline was from LeBrecht, whose score on accurate reportage is not high.
> >
> > Of course, you might want to ask why someone would feel the need to
> > "imitate naked bodies" at all, with the opera world previously shaken
> > by several sexual assault scandals, i.e. Domingo, James Levine, etc.
> >
> > -Owen
> You seem to misunderstand that Mandryka was disappointed that they would be performing in flesh-colored underwear and not nude - which i find a bit creepy... read the full thread...

I should also add that pedophile in this case is the wrong term... because that would indicate a sexual interest in children (meaning persons that have not reached puberty yet; which ofc is not the case here).

Furthermore - as pointed out below - I consider flesh-colored underwear for 16yos (I mean honestly even for 18yos and young adults...) a bit of a creepy idea... I mean maybe 25+ or sth... I don't know...

>
> In some cases such things (performing in flesh colored underwear) might be appropriate - can't think of one though; but certainly not wrt 16yos...

Marc S schrieb am Freitag, 19. Mai 2023 um 16:03:12 UTC+2:
> Marc S schrieb am Freitag, 19. Mai 2023 um 15:55:03 UTC+2:
> > Owen Hartnett schrieb am Dienstag, 9. Mai 2023 um 19:57:44 UTC+2:
> > > On 2023-05-09 04:42:07 +0000, Marc S said:
> > > > Mandryka schrieb am Montag, 8. Mai 2023 um 19:41:26 UTC+2:
> > > >> On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 6:30:59 PM UTC+1, AB wrote:> > On Monday, May
> > > >> 8, 2023 at 11:44:49 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:> > > On Sunday, March 26,
> > > >> 2023 at 7:06:49 AM UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:> > > > On Friday, March 10,
> > > >> 2023 at 5:04:53 PM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote:> > > > > This may be
> > > >> stretching the meaning of "recording" a bit. :)> > > > > Benjamin
> > > >> Grosvenor is giving a recital at the Steinway> > > > > Society of San
> > > >> Jose on March 25, also (like their entire> > > > > season) available on
> > > >> livestream for 48 hours starting at> > > > > recital time, at a reduced
> > > >> livestream price of $20.> > > > >
> > > >> https://steinwaysociety.com/concerts/benjamin-grosvenor-2022-2023/> > >
> > > >> > > The program is of familiar works (which some might> > > > >
> > > >> consider a negative): Bach-Busoni Chaconne,> > > > > Schumann Fantasie,
> > > >> Ravel Tombeau, Prokofiev #7.> > > > >> > > > Thanks for the tip. I just
> > > >> came back from the concert.> > > >> > > > It was fabulous! Everything
> > > >> perfect. As good as piano> > > > playing can possibly get on a
> > > >> Stoneway. I wish he could> > > > have played on a Fazioli or on a
> > > >> Bosie, but this was a> > > > Stoneway event. The instrument provided by
> > > >> the SJ> > > > Steinway Society was decent for San Jose, however> > > >
> > > >> not as good or as well tuned as the one he played 4> > > > years ago in
> > > >> San Francisco.> > > >> > > > The livestream is available for a couple
> > > >> of days.> > > > Very highly recommended if one can afford it.> > > >> >
> > > >> > > dk> > > I heard the same recital in London last night and was
> > > >> disappointed. But to start of on a positive note, he can play loud and
> > > >> the sound he made is beautiful - bell like and singing. And he is a
> > > >> virtuoso. Most of all he is impressively authoritative - it’s like, he
> > > >> knows exactly what he wants and he knows how to make his piano deliver
> > > >> it.> > >> > > The Busoni was fine. The Fantasy was just lacking in
> > > >> humanity and feeling, the Etwas Bewegter passage in the second movement
> > > >> was totally lost. The Tombeau was rather nice. The first movement of
> > > >> the Prokofiev was jaw droppingly virtuosic, the second movement
> > > >> certainly did not make time stand still - and by now I was starting to
> > > >> think that this piano playing is empty swaggering. By the end he’d even
> > > >> lost the beautiful tone - just annoying loud bluster.> > >> > > Packed
> > > >> hall, lots of people below 30 and many well below, they cheered their
> > > >> heads off at the end. I beat a hasty retreat to the pub to avoid the
> > > >> inevitable encore.> > rather harsh comments!!> >> >> >> >> > ab
> > > >> Oh come come now. I said loads of positive things.
> > > >
> > > > Yet you were disappointed... So, all the positive things you said don't
> > > > matter in the end.
> > > >
> > > > Imagine yourself opening up to your heartthrob and then getting a
> > > > response like "Yeah, you have many positive traits, but I just don't
> > > > like you"...
> > > >
> > > > I don't like Grosvenor as well from what I heard, just a little Mozart
> > > > and Bach, which both left me completely unimpressed, and I don't feel
> > > > like he is going to be a significant musician in any way in the
> > > > future...
> > > >
> > > > On another note: Howie... if you can't find anything wrong with minors
> > > > performing nude in an opera there is seriously something wrong with you
> > > > as well... this is some crazy shit honestly Howie... and yes, our
> > > > values are just very far apart here... you know Howie... this really is
> > > > not a case of "De gustibus", but a clear case of "you need to reflect a
> > > > little on the shit you are thinking"... I don't think that you are a
> > > > pedophile... but this world is not as innocent as you like to believe
> > > > Howie... not everyone is as nice as you (if you are that is)... you
> > > > really need to get in touch with reality... sexual exploitation of
> > > > minors is not good in any way... this can be traumatic for some kids...
> > > >
> > > > Referring to:
> > > >
> > > > https://www.talkclassical.com/threads/100-naked-volunteers-needed-for-opera.84827/#post-2489915
> > > >
> > >
> > > They won't be nude: "La Monnaie will provide them with flesh-colored
> > > underwear to imitate naked bodies." And they may not be minors, they
> > > have to be 16 years old, but whether that is considered a minor in
> > > Brussels is unknown to me.
> > >
> > > The headline was from LeBrecht, whose score on accurate reportage is not high.
> > >
> > > Of course, you might want to ask why someone would feel the need to
> > > "imitate naked bodies" at all, with the opera world previously shaken
> > > by several sexual assault scandals, i.e. Domingo, James Levine, etc.
> > >
> > > -Owen
> > You seem to misunderstand that Mandryka was disappointed that they would be performing in flesh-colored underwear and not nude - which i find a bit creepy... read the full thread...
> I should also add that pedophile in this case is the wrong term... because that would indicate a sexual interest in children (meaning persons that have not reached puberty yet; which ofc is not the case here).
>
> Furthermore - as pointed out below - I consider flesh-colored underwear for 16yos (I mean honestly even for 18yos and young adults...) a bit of a creepy idea... I mean maybe 25+ or sth... I don't know...
> >
> > In some cases such things (performing in flesh colored underwear) might be appropriate - can't think of one though; but certainly not wrt 16yos...

I haven't read about what this opera is about - but I guess; say if you are portraying a brothel or sth I could understand it... but 25+ or sth... maybe even naked then...

but the idea of 16-18yos or sth in flesh-colored underwear for me is a definite no.