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Listening to the start of Suor Angelica....... nice

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Andy Evans schrieb am Donnerstag, 18. Mai 2023 um 21:25:16 UTC+2:
> Listening to the start of Suor Angelica....... nice

What do you think? Has Herman had it?

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 by: Dan Koren - Thu, 18 May 2023 22:10 UTC

On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 12:25:16 PM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> Listening to the start of Suor Angelica....... nice

Raising my hand.

dk

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On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 12:25:16 PM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> Listening to the start of Suor Angelica....... nice

Magda Olivero 1949:

https://youtu.be/HjOt3O5RVKg

dk

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 by: Dan Koren - Thu, 18 May 2023 22:16 UTC

On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 3:12:27 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 12:25:16 PM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> > Listening to the start of Suor Angelica....... nice
>
> Magda Olivero 1949:
>
> https://youtu.be/HjOt3O5RVKg

Magda Olivero Vissi d'Arte 1975 Met debut:

https://youtu.be/2vlD3sK-O8o

dk

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 by: Dan Koren - Thu, 18 May 2023 22:18 UTC

On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 3:17:01 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 3:12:27 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 12:25:16 PM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> > > Listening to the start of Suor Angelica....... nice
> >
> > Magda Olivero 1949:
> >
> > https://youtu.be/HjOt3O5RVKg
>
> Magda Olivero Vissi d'Arte 1975 Met debut:
>
> https://youtu.be/2vlD3sK-O8o

The scuttlebutt is that Callas prevented
the Met from engaging Magda Olivero
for as long as she could. The latter is
widely considered to have been the
finest Puccini soprano ever.

dk

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Just started listening to Fanciulla del West on YT, Tebaldi etc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaGe5qxo4zg

Strangely the music reminds me of Janacek operas, especially the Cunning Little Vixen.

Fanciulla is 1910 and Vixen is 1923 so it's clear which came first.

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 by: Mandryka - Fri, 19 May 2023 15:18 UTC

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 4:03:11 PM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:
> Just started listening to Fanciulla del West on YT, Tebaldi etc
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaGe5qxo4zg
>
> Strangely the music reminds me of Janacek operas, especially the Cunning Little Vixen.
>
> Fanciulla is 1910 and Vixen is 1923 so it's clear which came first.

I think it’s an interesting and challenging opera - I don’t know Vixen but on the basis of the Janacek operas I have heard, I can imagine you’re right.

I’ve never heard a recording of Fanciulla but I’ve seen it once, Royal Opera. And I’ve never heard a recording of Suor Angelica, the other one you mentioned, but I heard the whole trilogy (I think, it was a long time ago!) in San Francisco.

The one I’ve never heard, either in the theatre or on record, is Madame Lescaut.

I am a fan of Puccini as it happens, because of the drama of it, the theatre. Just think of the magic of the juxtaposition of big public scenes and intimate scenes in Boheme for example. And the magic of the Humming Chorus! Or the final act of Tosca. I wouldn’t hesitate to go see a Puccini opera - if someone invited me to the dress circle at The Opera House as their guest that is.

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On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 12:25:16 PM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> Listening to the start of Suor Angelica....... nice

Fans of "Vissi d'arte" may find the following of interest:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-zwslk9l6E

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 by: gggg gggg - Fri, 19 May 2023 15:42 UTC

On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 3:17:01 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 3:12:27 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 12:25:16 PM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> > > Listening to the start of Suor Angelica....... nice
> >
> > Magda Olivero 1949:
> >
> > https://youtu.be/HjOt3O5RVKg
> Magda Olivero Vissi d'Arte 1975 Met debut:
>
> https://youtu.be/2vlD3sK-O8o
>
> dk

Fans of "Vissi d'arte" may find the following of interest:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-zwslk9l6E

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On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 3:18:56 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 3:17:01 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 3:12:27 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 12:25:16 PM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> > > > Listening to the start of Suor Angelica....... nice
> > >
> > > Magda Olivero 1949:
> > >
> > > https://youtu.be/HjOt3O5RVKg
> >
> > Magda Olivero Vissi d'Arte 1975 Met debut:
> >
> > https://youtu.be/2vlD3sK-O8o
> The scuttlebutt is that Callas prevented
> the Met from engaging Magda Olivero
> for as long as she could. The latter is
> widely considered to have been the
> finest Puccini soprano ever.
>
> dk

Wasn't Olivero's signature role "Adrianna L." which was the one opera that Callas never sang?

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Puccini is growing on me. I've previously avoided Italian opera like Verdi because it just doesn't appeal to me, but Puccini is different, closer to more modern composers like Debussy and Ravel.

So this afternoon, listening to La Fanciulla del West while doing some work around the house.

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On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 3:35:12 PM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:
> Puccini is growing on me. I've previously avoided Italian opera like Verdi because it just doesn't appeal to me, but Puccini is different, closer to more modern composers like Debussy and Ravel.
>
> So this afternoon, listening to La Fanciulla del West while doing some work around the house.

Try other verismo composers -- Pagliacci especially.

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On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 4:00:10 PM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 3:35:12 PM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:
> > Puccini is growing on me. I've previously avoided Italian opera like Verdi because it just doesn't appeal to me, but Puccini is different, closer to more modern composers like Debussy and Ravel.
> >
> > So this afternoon, listening to La Fanciulla del West while doing some work around the house.
> Try other verismo composers -- Pagliacci especially.

By the way, if you can get Mosco Carner's book on Puccini it's well worth a read.

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On Wednesday, 31 May 2023 at 00:35:12 UTC+10, Andy Evans wrote:
> Puccini is growing on me. I've previously avoided Italian opera like Verdi because it just doesn't appeal to me, but Puccini is different, closer to more modern composers like Debussy and Ravel.
>
> So this afternoon, listening to La Fanciulla del West while doing some work around the house.

I like Verdi's Falstaff very much. Bernstein CBS is a very good recording. Janacek's and Britten's operas, also Nixon in China, make up the rest. I do have Puccini's little shocker Tosca but I am rarely tempted to listen to it any more, but there is no denying its attractions.

Ray Hall, Taree

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On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 4:00:11 PM UTC-7, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, 31 May 2023 at 00:35:12 UTC+10, Andy Evans wrote:
> > Puccini is growing on me. I've previously avoided Italian opera like Verdi because it just doesn't appeal to me, but Puccini is different, closer to more modern composers like Debussy and Ravel.
> >
> > So this afternoon, listening to La Fanciulla del West while doing some work around the house.
> I like Verdi's Falstaff very much. Bernstein CBS is a very good recording.. Janacek's and Britten's operas, also Nixon in China, make up the rest. I do have Puccini's little shocker Tosca but I am rarely tempted to listen to it any more, but there is no denying its attractions.
>
> Ray Hall, Taree

If you like Tosca's big aria:

https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/rec.music.opera/c/HIF8ZNWiTng

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On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 12:25:16 PM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> Listening to the start of Suor Angelica....... nice

IMO crisantemi /chrysanthemums is a great piece but it's been awhile since I turned to his operas.

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 by: Andy Evans - Wed, 31 May 2023 09:50 UTC

On Wednesday, 31 May 2023 at 00:00:11 UTC+1, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:

Janacek's and Britten's operas, also Nixon in China, make up the rest. I do have Puccini's little shocker Tosca but I am rarely tempted to listen to it any more, but there is no denying its attractions.
> > Ray Hall, Taree

Although a Brit I don't get on with Britten, I just don't relate to his musical language. Nixon in China is good, as you say.

Janacek is a big favourite - I was lucky to have caught 3 of his operas live in Prague and Brno.

La Boheme is supposed to be the pinnacle of Puccini but I'm more attracted to his other works.

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On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 10:50:10 AM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:
> On Wednesday, 31 May 2023 at 00:00:11 UTC+1, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Janacek's and Britten's operas, also Nixon in China, make up the rest. I do have Puccini's little shocker Tosca but I am rarely tempted to listen to it any more, but there is no denying its attractions.
> > > Ray Hall, Taree
> Although a Brit I don't get on with Britten, I just don't relate to his musical language. Nixon in China is good, as you say.
>
> Janacek is a big favourite - I was lucky to have caught 3 of his operas live in Prague and Brno.
>
> La Boheme is supposed to be the pinnacle of Puccini but I'm more attracted to his other works.

Turandot is the pinnacle of Puccini.

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 by: gggg gggg - Wed, 31 May 2023 15:19 UTC

On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 7:35:12 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> Puccini is growing on me. I've previously avoided Italian opera like Verdi because it just doesn't appeal to me, but Puccini is different, closer to more modern composers like Debussy and Ravel.
>
> So this afternoon, listening to La Fanciulla del West while doing some work around the house.

According to this:

- Puccini famously noted that he felt this opera was his finest score. And he was probably right.

https://operawire.com/ranking-giacomo-puccinis-operas-from-least-to-best/

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