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I’ve never really got to know it. Now’s the time.

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 by: Mandryka - Mon, 15 May 2023 16:21 UTC

On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 5:03:19 PM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
> I’ve never really got to know it. Now’s the time.

Listening to Hisako Hiseki, who played the Hatto Granados.

https://hisakohiseki.es/en/bio/recomendaciones

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 by: HT - Mon, 15 May 2023 22:34 UTC

Op maandag 15 mei 2023 om 18:21:26 UTC+2 schreef Mandryka:
> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 5:03:19 PM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
> > I’ve never really got to know it. Now’s the time.
> Listening to Hisako Hiseki, who played the Hatto Granados.
>
> https://hisakohiseki.es/en/bio/recomendaciones

There is AdL, of course. Dechamp's version. Never heard of him before DK mentioned him. He's good. So is Pizarro. To my surprise, I like Ohlsson's full-bodied version.

Henk

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 by: Mandryka - Tue, 16 May 2023 04:15 UTC

On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 11:34:57 PM UTC+1, HT wrote:
> Op maandag 15 mei 2023 om 18:21:26 UTC+2 schreef Mandryka:
> > On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 5:03:19 PM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
> > > I’ve never really got to know it. Now’s the time.
> > Listening to Hisako Hiseki, who played the Hatto Granados.
> >
> > https://hisakohiseki.es/en/bio/recomendaciones
> There is AdL, of course. Dechamp's version. Never heard of him before DK mentioned him. He's good. So is Pizarro. To my surprise, I like Ohlsson's full-bodied version.
>
> Henk

Thanks, will check some of these. I think you must listen to Hisako Hiseki.

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On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 5:15:06 AM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 11:34:57 PM UTC+1, HT wrote:
> > Op maandag 15 mei 2023 om 18:21:26 UTC+2 schreef Mandryka:
> > > On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 5:03:19 PM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > I’ve never really got to know it. Now’s the time.
> > > Listening to Hisako Hiseki, who played the Hatto Granados.
> > >
> > > https://hisakohiseki.es/en/bio/recomendaciones
> > There is AdL, of course. Dechamp's version. Never heard of him before DK mentioned him. He's good. So is Pizarro. To my surprise, I like Ohlsson's full-bodied version.
> >
> > Henk
> Thanks, will check some of these. I think you must listen to Hisako Hiseki.

.. . . and Michel Block - which is everything you would expect.

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 by: Dan Koren - Tue, 16 May 2023 07:17 UTC

On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 3:34:57 PM UTC-7, HT wrote:
> Op maandag 15 mei 2023 om 18:21:26 UTC+2 schreef Mandryka:
> > On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 5:03:19 PM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
> > > I’ve never really got to know it. Now’s the time.
> >
> > Listening to Hisako Hiseki, who played the Hatto
> > Granados.
> >
> > https://hisakohiseki.es/en/bio/recomendaciones
>
> There is AdL, of course. Dechamp's version. Never
> heard of him before DK mentioned him. He's good.
> So is Pizarro. To my surprise, I like Ohlsson's full-
> bodied version.
>

Dichamp, not Dechamp!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejz2j73jmK0

There's Luis Fernando Pérez too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0aVTPvYQ4Y

I regret to say Hatto disappointed! ;-)

dk

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 by: Mandryka - Tue, 16 May 2023 07:55 UTC

On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 8:17:43 AM UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 3:34:57 PM UTC-7, HT wrote:
> > Op maandag 15 mei 2023 om 18:21:26 UTC+2 schreef Mandryka:
> > > On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 5:03:19 PM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > I’ve never really got to know it. Now’s the time.
> > >
> > > Listening to Hisako Hiseki, who played the Hatto
> > > Granados.
> > >
> > > https://hisakohiseki.es/en/bio/recomendaciones
> >
> > There is AdL, of course. Dechamp's version. Never
> > heard of him before DK mentioned him. He's good.
> > So is Pizarro. To my surprise, I like Ohlsson's full-
> > bodied version.
> >
> Dichamp, not Dechamp!
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejz2j73jmK0
>
> There's Luis Fernando Pérez too:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0aVTPvYQ4Y
>
> I regret to say Hatto disappointed! ;-)
>
> dk
Thanks, will listen. At the moment I’m focussing on Michel Block.

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 by: Mandryka - Tue, 16 May 2023 08:08 UTC

On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 8:55:16 AM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 8:17:43 AM UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 3:34:57 PM UTC-7, HT wrote:
> > > Op maandag 15 mei 2023 om 18:21:26 UTC+2 schreef Mandryka:
> > > > On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 5:03:19 PM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > I’ve never really got to know it. Now’s the time.
> > > >
> > > > Listening to Hisako Hiseki, who played the Hatto
> > > > Granados.
> > > >
> > > > https://hisakohiseki.es/en/bio/recomendaciones
> > >
> > > There is AdL, of course. Dechamp's version. Never
> > > heard of him before DK mentioned him. He's good.
> > > So is Pizarro. To my surprise, I like Ohlsson's full-
> > > bodied version.
> > >
> > Dichamp, not Dechamp!
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejz2j73jmK0
> >
> > There's Luis Fernando Pérez too:
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0aVTPvYQ4Y
> >
> > I regret to say Hatto disappointed! ;-)
> >
> > dk
> Thanks, will listen. At the moment I’m focussing on Michel Block.

I should have said, Michel Block’s beautiful Goyescas - he stands to this music as Afanassiev stands to Schubert sonatas.

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 by: Mandryka - Tue, 16 May 2023 08:19 UTC

On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 9:10:30 AM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 8:55:16 AM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 8:17:43 AM UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 3:34:57 PM UTC-7, HT wrote:
> > > > Op maandag 15 mei 2023 om 18:21:26 UTC+2 schreef Mandryka:
> > > > > On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 5:03:19 PM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > I’ve never really got to know it. Now’s the time.
> > > > >
> > > > > Listening to Hisako Hiseki, who played the Hatto
> > > > > Granados.
> > > > >
> > > > > https://hisakohiseki.es/en/bio/recomendaciones
> > > >
> > > > There is AdL, of course. Dechamp's version. Never
> > > > heard of him before DK mentioned him. He's good.
> > > > So is Pizarro. To my surprise, I like Ohlsson's full-
> > > > bodied version.
> > > >
> > > Dichamp, not Dechamp!
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejz2j73jmK0
> > >
> > > There's Luis Fernando Pérez too:
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0aVTPvYQ4Y
> > >
> > > I regret to say Hatto disappointed! ;-)
> > >
> > > dk
> > Thanks, will listen. At the moment I’m focussing on Michel Block.
> I should have said, Michel Block’s beautiful Goyescas - he stands to this music as Afanassiev stands to Schubert sonatas.

The Block recording was produced by Chitose Okashiro. Block’s sensual Granados and Okashiro’s sensual Schumann. Hmmm.

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 by: Dan Koren - Tue, 16 May 2023 09:19 UTC

On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 1:19:17 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 9:10:30 AM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 8:55:16 AM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 8:17:43 AM UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > > On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 3:34:57 PM UTC-7, HT wrote:
> > > > > Op maandag 15 mei 2023 om 18:21:26 UTC+2 schreef Mandryka:
> > > > > > On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 5:03:19 PM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > I’ve never really got to know it. Now’s the time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Listening to Hisako Hiseki, who played the Hatto
> > > > > > Granados.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://hisakohiseki.es/en/bio/recomendaciones
> > > > >
> > > > > There is AdL, of course. Dechamp's version. Never
> > > > > heard of him before DK mentioned him. He's good.
> > > > > So is Pizarro. To my surprise, I like Ohlsson's full-
> > > > > bodied version.
> > > > >
> > > > Dichamp, not Dechamp!
> > > >
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejz2j73jmK0
> > > >
> > > > There's Luis Fernando Pérez too:
> > > >
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0aVTPvYQ4Y
> > > >
> > > > I regret to say Hatto disappointed! ;-)
> > >
> > > Thanks, will listen. At the moment I’m focussing on Michel Block.
> >
> > I should have said, Michel Block’s beautiful Goyescas - he stands to
> > this music as Afanassiev stands to Schubert sonatas.

The analogy is not entirely appropriate. Schubert's music
allows far more different approaches than Granados' or
Albeniz'.

> The Block recording was produced by Chitose Okashiro.

I know -- I have the recordings.

> Block’s sensual Granados and Okashiro’s sensual Schumann.

We must agree to disagree about this one. To my ears,
Block is a cold dead fish marinated in French perfume.

He reminds me of a joke I heard many ears ago from an
HP engineer. I was at a TPC meeting in Dallas in 1992,
when during a group dinner someone asked the group
to name the weakest aspects of their companies. The
HP guy said "Marketing -- if HP decided to sell sushi,
they would advertise it as cold, dead fish".

dk

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 by: Mandryka - Tue, 16 May 2023 12:02 UTC

On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 10:19:58 AM UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 1:19:17 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 9:10:30 AM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 8:55:16 AM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 8:17:43 AM UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 3:34:57 PM UTC-7, HT wrote:
> > > > > > Op maandag 15 mei 2023 om 18:21:26 UTC+2 schreef Mandryka:
> > > > > > > On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 5:03:19 PM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > > I’ve never really got to know it. Now’s the time.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Listening to Hisako Hiseki, who played the Hatto
> > > > > > > Granados.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://hisakohiseki.es/en/bio/recomendaciones
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There is AdL, of course. Dechamp's version. Never
> > > > > > heard of him before DK mentioned him. He's good.
> > > > > > So is Pizarro. To my surprise, I like Ohlsson's full-
> > > > > > bodied version.
> > > > > >
> > > > > Dichamp, not Dechamp!
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejz2j73jmK0
> > > > >
> > > > > There's Luis Fernando Pérez too:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0aVTPvYQ4Y
> > > > >
> > > > > I regret to say Hatto disappointed! ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, will listen. At the moment I’m focussing on Michel Block.
> > >
> > > I should have said, Michel Block’s beautiful Goyescas - he stands to
> > > this music as Afanassiev stands to Schubert sonatas.
> The analogy is not entirely appropriate. Schubert's music
> allows far more different approaches than Granados' or
> Albeniz'.
> > The Block recording was produced by Chitose Okashiro.
> I know -- I have the recordings.
> > Block’s sensual Granados and Okashiro’s sensual Schumann.
> We must agree to disagree about this one. To my ears,
> Block is a cold dead fish marinated in French perfume.
>
> He reminds me of a joke I heard many ears ago from an
> HP engineer. I was at a TPC meeting in Dallas in 1992,
> when during a group dinner someone asked the group
> to name the weakest aspects of their companies. The
> HP guy said "Marketing -- if HP decided to sell sushi,
> they would advertise it as cold, dead fish".
>
> dk

Why should Granados “allow” less different interpretations than Schubert’s? Is the score less determinate?

I’m coming to this music fresh and with no expectations about what it can and should sound.
I think Block is warm and full and soul, very much alive.

I can live without duende in this music.

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> Thanks, will check some of these. I think you must listen to Hisako Hiseki.

Thanks! I just did, and found it too easy to listen to. It's very pleasant to listen to, but where is Goya (colours, intimacy)?

Henk

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Op dinsdag 16 mei 2023 om 11:19:58 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:
> To my ears, Block is a cold dead fish marinated in French perfume.

This may be said of Ciccolini, not Block. In his Pro Piano recording he has a tendency to struggle (almost) pedalless through even the densest passages - and the Goyescas are certainly not meant to sound like that. Albeniz is a better fit.

Henk

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On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 1:55:10 PM UTC+1, HT wrote:
> > Thanks, will check some of these. I think you must listen to Hisako Hiseki.
> Thanks! I just did, and found it too easy to listen to. It's very pleasant to listen to, but where is Goya (colours, intimacy)?
>
> Henk

That's interesting Henk. As far as colour is concerned, one of the pieces in Goyescas has the same title as a black and white print!

But it's your word "intimacy" which caught my attention. I need to think about that. As I need to think about how these pieces stand to Goya.

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On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 6:10:57 AM UTC-7, HT wrote:
> Op dinsdag 16 mei 2023 om 11:19:58 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:
>
> > To my ears, Block is a cold dead fish
> > marinated in French perfume.
>
> This may be said of Ciccolini, not Block.

It may be said of many other pianists.

> In his Pro Piano recording he has a tendency
> to struggle (almost) pedalless through even
> the densest passages - and the Goyescas
> are certainly not meant to sound like that.

Pianists should have their feet nailed to the
pedals! ;-)

> Albeniz is a better fit.

Not to my ears.

dk

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Paik’s good.

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 by: Mandryka - Fri, 19 May 2023 15:28 UTC

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 4:06:08 PM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
> Paik’s good.

In small doses

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 by: HT - Fri, 19 May 2023 15:42 UTC

Op vrijdag 19 mei 2023 om 17:28:06 UTC+2 schreef Mandryka:
> On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 4:06:08 PM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
> > Paik’s good.
>
> In small doses

Have you tried Benita Meshulam? She captures what I call the intimacy of the Goyescas.

Henk

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On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 4:42:08 PM UTC+1, HT wrote:
> Op vrijdag 19 mei 2023 om 17:28:06 UTC+2 schreef Mandryka:
> > On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 4:06:08 PM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
> > > Paik’s good.
> >
> > In small doses
> Have you tried Benita Meshulam? She captures what I call the intimacy of the Goyescas.
>
> Henk

Listening now, and enjoying. Thanks v much. Will say more if I have more to say.

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Eduardo Del Pueyo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOxBXNEZjQg

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On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 1:44:49 PM UTC-7, KimDenmark wrote:
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> Eduardo Del Pueyo
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Very heavy handed.

dk

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On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 9:44:49 PM UTC+1, KimDenmark wrote:
> Eduardo Del Pueyo
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Very polyphonic, he’s got a real feel for the complex textures - and I what he does is sometimes quite heartfelt and intimate. I think it’s a revelation actually. Tiring sound though, in the sense of closely recorded.

I haven’t heard that YouTube, I’m assuming there’s only one.

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On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 9:31:34 PM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 9:44:49 PM UTC+1, KimDenmark wrote:
> > Eduardo Del Pueyo
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOxBXNEZjQg
>
> Very polyphonic,

So what?

> he’s got a real feel

Feel ?!? ROTFL !!!

> for the complex textures - and I what he does
> is sometimes quite heartfelt and intimate.

Let's be serious. This is brutal machine playing.
Mechanical, metronomic, colorless.

> I think it’s a revelation actually.

That machines can play the piano?

dk

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On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 9:34:49 AM UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 9:31:34 PM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 9:44:49 PM UTC+1, KimDenmark wrote:
> > > Eduardo Del Pueyo
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOxBXNEZjQg
> >
> > I think it’s a revelation actually.
> That machines can play the piano?
>
> dk

That the music contains so many passages with complex polyphonic textures.

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Op vrijdag 19 mei 2023 om 22:44:49 UTC+2 schreef KimDenmark:
> Eduardo Del Pueyo
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOxBXNEZjQg

Del Pueyo's Goyescas are impressive. It's crystal clear, coherent, very precise. A bit too intellectual for my taste, like most of his interpretations.

DK's hearing has become too sharp, with age. What he hears these days, cannot but elude us simple mortals.

Henk

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