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Re: Please recommend me some recordings of Granados’s Goyescas

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Subject: Re:_Please_recommend_me_some_recordings_of_Granados
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 by: Mandryka - Sat, 20 May 2023 15:42 UTC

On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 4:03:49 PM UTC+1, HT wrote:
> Op vrijdag 19 mei 2023 om 22:44:49 UTC+2 schreef KimDenmark:
> > Eduardo Del Pueyo
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOxBXNEZjQg
> Del Pueyo's Goyescas are impressive. It's crystal clear, coherent, very precise. A bit too intellectual for my taste, like most of his interpretations.
>
> DK's hearing has become too sharp, with age. What he hears these days, cannot but elude us simple mortals.
>
> Henk

Intellectual or not, I love his Quejas and balada.

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 by: Dan Koren - Sat, 20 May 2023 17:53 UTC

On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 8:03:49 AM UTC-7, HT wrote:
> Op vrijdag 19 mei 2023 om 22:44:49 UTC+2 schreef KimDenmark:
> > Eduardo Del Pueyo
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOxBXNEZjQg
>
> Del Pueyo's Goyescas are impressive.
> It's crystal clear, coherent, very precise.

"Crystal clear" is precisly what this music
does not need.

> A bit too intellectual for my taste,
> like most of his interpretations.

This says it all! "Too intllectual" for
HT means "as pedantic as one can
imagine".

> DK's hearing has become too sharp,
> with age.

Some people improve with age, some
don't.

> What he hears these days, cannot
> but elude us simple mortals.

If one cannot hear the metronome in
Del Pueyo's "performance" one needs
hearing aids.

You described it perfectly: "crystal
clear" and "intellectual". He was a
mechanical idiot.

dk

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 by: Dan Koren - Sat, 20 May 2023 17:55 UTC

On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 3:52:46 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 9:34:49 AM UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 9:31:34 PM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 9:44:49 PM UTC+1, KimDenmark wrote:
> > > > Eduardo Del Pueyo
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOxBXNEZjQg
> > >
> > > I think it’s a revelation actually.
> >
> > That machines can play the piano?
>
> That the music contains so many
> passages with complex polyphonic
> textures.

So what? This is like saying buildings
are more beautiful when one can see
every brick.

Polyphony is a tool. Craft, not art.

dk

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Teresa Escandon. May well be worth a listen. No vulgarity. Full of humanity, intimacy, colour, polyphony. Cuban. Looking on the web, she seems to have been close to Bolet.

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 by: HT - Sun, 21 May 2023 09:05 UTC

Op zaterdag 20 mei 2023 om 19:53:55 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:
> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 8:03:49 AM UTC-7, HT wrote:
> > Op vrijdag 19 mei 2023 om 22:44:49 UTC+2 schreef KimDenmark:
> > > Eduardo Del Pueyo
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOxBXNEZjQg
> >
> > Del Pueyo's Goyescas are impressive.
> > It's crystal clear, coherent, very precise.
> "Crystal clear" is precisly what this music
> does not need.
> > A bit too intellectual for my taste,
> > like most of his interpretations.
> This says it all! "Too intllectual" for
> HT means "as pedantic as one can
> imagine".
> > DK's hearing has become too sharp,
> > with age.
> Some people improve with age, some
> don't.
> > What he hears these days, cannot
> > but elude us simple mortals.
> If one cannot hear the metronome in
> Del Pueyo's "performance" one needs
> hearing aids.
>
> You described it perfectly: "crystal
> clear" and "intellectual". He was a
> mechanical idiot.

I hear an impressive Goyescas, not my ideal Goyescas but nevertheless a great Goyescas.

Henk

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Op zondag 21 mei 2023 om 10:21:39 UTC+2 schreef Mandryka:
> Teresa Escandon. May well be worth a listen. No vulgarity. Full of humanity, intimacy, colour, polyphony. Cuban. Looking on the web, she seems to have been close to Bolet.

She reminds me more of Prats than Bolet. I like Balada, though.

Henk

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 by: Dan Koren - Sun, 21 May 2023 09:55 UTC

On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 2:05:29 AM UTC-7, HT wrote:
> Op zaterdag 20 mei 2023 om 19:53:55 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:
> > On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 8:03:49 AM UTC-7, HT wrote:
> > > Op vrijdag 19 mei 2023 om 22:44:49 UTC+2 schreef KimDenmark:
> > > > Eduardo Del Pueyo
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOxBXNEZjQg
> > >
> > > Del Pueyo's Goyescas are impressive.
> > > It's crystal clear, coherent, very precise.
> >
> > "Crystal clear" is precisly what this music
> > does not need.
> >
> > > A bit too intellectual for my taste,
> > > like most of his interpretations.
> >
> > This says it all! "Too intellectual" for
> > HT means "as pedantic as one can
> > imagine".
> >
> > > DK's hearing has become too sharp,
> > > with age.
> >
> > Some people improve with age, some
> > don't.
> >
> > > What he hears these days, cannot
> > > but elude us simple mortals.
> >
> > If one cannot hear the metronome in
> > Del Pueyo's "performance" one needs
> > hearing aids.
> >
> > You described it perfectly: "crystal
> > clear" and "intellectual". He was a
> > mechanical idiot.
>
> I hear an impressive Goyescas,

I hear a sewing machine practicing, and
sometimes marching with a metronome.

> not my ideal Goyescas but nevertheless
> a great Goyescas.

Sounds like you are contradicting yourself.

dk

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On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 1:21:39 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
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> Teresa Escandon. May well be worth a listen.
> No vulgarity. Full of humanity, intimacy, colour,
> polyphony. Cuban. Looking on the web, she
> seems to have been close to Bolet.

Thanks for the pointer:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nb64dQy0_K4HudQstUoPMq-8oku6MCRoI

The 7th piece "El pelele, Escena Goyesca"
is missing from this playlist. Not clear if
this is a deliberate ommission or a bug.

I will listen and report.

dk

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> I’ve never really got to know it. Now’s the time.
>

https://youtu.be/LSTJcC14Blk?t=1620

dk

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On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 11:08:15 AM UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
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> > I’ve never really got to know it. Now’s the time.
> >
> https://youtu.be/LSTJcC14Blk?t=1620
>
> dk

New Goyescas here, sounds good to me (listening now for the first time)

https://static.qobuz.com/goodies/40/000157204.pdf

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> New Goyescas here, sounds good to me (listening now for the first time)
> https://static.qobuz.com/goodies/40/000157204.pdf

Here is an URL to Brugala's recording of one of the more dramatic Goyescas. The complete set is available on YT:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t56kqq9aa4

I miss the 'inner life', to borrow a phrase from you.

Henk

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 by: Dan Koren - Sat, 17 Jun 2023 21:18 UTC

On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 1:57:23 PM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 11:08:15 AM UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 9:03:19 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > >
> > > I’ve never really got to know it. Now’s the time.
> > >
> > https://youtu.be/LSTJcC14Blk?t=1620
>
> New Goyescas here, sounds good to me
> (listening now for the first time)
>
> https://static.qobuz.com/goodies/40/000157204.pdf

First, you could have posted a link
to a listenable recording rather
than a photo of an album cover.

Here is the actual recording:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVuAv1QD9EM

Second, this is a perfect example
of your inability to discern nuance.

Are you suggesting Brugalla's
cloading on the keys is even
close to making music? Let
alone to Granados' own
performance ?!?

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On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 2:16:06 PM UTC-7, HT wrote:
> > New Goyescas here, sounds good to me (listening now for the first time)
> > https://static.qobuz.com/goodies/40/000157204.pdf
>
> Here is an URL to Brugala's recording of one of
> the more dramatic Goyescas. The complete set
> is available on YT:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t56kqq9aa4
>
> I miss the 'inner life', to borrow a phrase from you.

Brugalla is only cloading.

dk

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On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 2:16:06 PM UTC-7, HT wrote:
> > New Goyescas here, sounds good to me (listening now for the first time)
> > https://static.qobuz.com/goodies/40/000157204.pdf
> Here is an URL to Brugala's recording of one of the more dramatic Goyescas. The complete set is available on YT:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t56kqq9aa4
>
> I miss the 'inner life', to borrow a phrase from you.

The metronome and the sewing
machine strike again:

https://youtu.be/LE30NRfc8i0

dk

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Op zaterdag 17 juni 2023 om 23:20:58 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:

> The metronome and the sewing
> machine strike again:
>
> https://youtu.be/LE30NRfc8i0

Your hyperboles sometimes miss the point. Brugalla's rubato's trouble me more (non-organic as they are) than when he is counting. I like his tone too much to call his playing sewing. There is quite a lot to be enjoyed and the music is unbeatable.

Henk

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On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 2:50:05 PM UTC-7, HT wrote:
> Op zaterdag 17 juni 2023 om 23:20:58 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:
> > The metronome and the sewing
> > machine strike again:
> >
> > https://youtu.be/LE30NRfc8i0
>
> Your hyperboles sometimes miss the point.

This is unavoidable.

> Brugalla's rubato's trouble me more (non-organic
> as they are) than when he is counting.

You and I are saying exactly the same thing using
different terms.

> I like his tone too much to call his playing sewing.

Tone and monotonicity are different dimensions.
One does not exclude the other. Mendelssohn
proved this perfectly.

> There is quite a lot to be enjoyed and the music
> is unbeatable.

Then why does Brugalla beat it relentlessly ?!?

dk

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Op zaterdag 17 juni 2023 om 23:54:34 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:

> Then why does Brugalla beat it relentlessly ?!?

Perhaps he doesn't. Perhaps it only sounds as if he does, because of a total lack of - 'inner life' to borrow Mandryka's phrase again. What he does is often 'external', i.e. notes, rhythm, rubato, dynamics, phrases - it's all there and even quite easy to listen to but sometimes he makes one wonder why one is listening.

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On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 6:24:15 PM UTC-4, HT wrote:
> Op zaterdag 17 juni 2023 om 23:54:34 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:
> > Then why does Brugalla beat it relentlessly ?!?
> Perhaps he doesn't. Perhaps it only sounds as if he does, because of a total lack of - 'inner life' to borrow Mandryka's phrase again. What he does is often 'external', i.e. notes, rhythm, rubato, dynamics, phrases - it's all there and even quite easy to listen to but sometimes he makes one wonder why one is listening.

I’m sure each recording has something special about it, yet I’m still with Alicia EMI. To me her greatness is obvious.

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 by: Joseph Li - Tue, 20 Jun 2023 00:32 UTC

On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 9:03:19 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> I’ve never really got to know it. Now’s the time.

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On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 9:03:19 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> I’ve never really got to know it. Now’s the time.

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 by: Joseph Li - Tue, 20 Jun 2023 00:34 UTC

On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 9:03:19 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> I’ve never really got to know it. Now’s the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MMmYE-ENsk

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 by: HT - Tue, 20 Jun 2023 08:53 UTC

Op maandag 19 juni 2023 om 11:59:41 UTC+2 schreef JohnGavin:
> On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 6:24:15 PM UTC-4, HT wrote:
> > Op zaterdag 17 juni 2023 om 23:54:34 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:
> > > Then why does Brugalla beat it relentlessly ?!?
> > Perhaps he doesn't. Perhaps it only sounds as if he does, because of a total lack of - 'inner life' to borrow Mandryka's phrase again. What he does is often 'external', i.e. notes, rhythm, rubato, dynamics, phrases - it's all there and even quite easy to listen to but sometimes he makes one wonder why one is listening.
> I’m sure each recording has something special about it, yet I’m still with Alicia EMI. To me her greatness is obvious.

Yes, it is. It's remarkable how some artists (not just musicians) can be hors concours. At a certain level, it doesn't matter if you like them or not. It's your loss. I've never been able to explain this phenomenon to myself. At what point does beauty stop being solely in the 'eye of the beholder'?

Henk

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On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 9:03:19 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> I’ve never really got to know it. Now’s the time.

(2023 Y. upload):

"Goyescas by Granados; Consuelo Rubio; Ana María Iriarte; Ginés Torrano;Argenta: London(OSA-1101)1959"

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