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Re: RIP...

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 by: Dan Koren - Sun, 21 May 2023 10:10 UTC

On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 10:19:12 PM UTC-7, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 2:25:57 PM UTC+10, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 9:21:12 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 9:18:22 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:22:09 PM UTC-7, Oscar wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > R.I.P., Madam. I have been restrained
> > > > > in my CD purchases this year,
> > >
> > > > Good for you.
> > >
> > > > > but the one big box I have selected to
> > > > > add to my collection is the Ingrid Haebler
> > > > > 58CD set on UME. I just do not hear the
> > > > > 'typewriter' accusation.
> > >
> > > > Description, not accusation.
> > >
> > > > > Refined is the word that springs to mind
> > > > > when I recall what I have listened to, yet,
> > > > > yes, admittedly, not the final word on any
> > > > > of the repertoire.
> > > >
> > > > Stop gaslighting us. Decades ago during
> > > > the years BYT we were all restricted to
> > > > "dancing about architecture" when we
> > > > tried to describe music performances.
> > > >
> > > > Nowadays, one can easily provide sound
> > > > exmples via YT, Spotify, Amazon Music,
> > > > or even upload recordings from one's
> > > > personal collection. Provide examples
> > > > of her playing that support your claims
> > > > of "refinement" -- or shut up.
> > > >
> > > > Habler's Night Marches may be found
> > > > at https://youtu.be/z9dTEhmqunQ.
> > > >
> > > > From the very note one immediately
> > > > hears the metronome and the stomp
> > > > on the keys. Not only is this not Chopin,
> > > > it isn't even music.
> > > >
> > > > > Just solid and honest playing, front to
> > > > > back, throughout the set.
> > > >
> > > > "Solid and honest" is no longer enough,
> > > > not even in sports.
> > >
> > > Here is Haebler's "refined" Chopin, alla
> > > marcia, martellato, boots on the keys:
> > >
> > > https://youtu.be/z9dTEhmqunQ?t=2750
> >
> > Just listen to Dave Hurwitz's review of
> > the 58 CD box:
> >
> > https://youtu.be/b2bqYyP4V50
> >
> > "58 Decca CDs of Ingrid Haebler is too much.
> > Always a solid musician, she simply lacks the
> > imagination and emotional amplitude of the
> > best performers of Mozart's and Schubert's
> > solo keyboard works. Where she does excel,
> > however, is in her partnerships with artists
> > such as Szeryng, Grumiaux, or in the music
> > of J.C Bach (played on a fortepiano). Still,
> > there's too much here that's merely good to
> > justify the expense to get the performances
> > that are better than that."
> >
> > Damning with faint praise.
>
> I can think of no warmer recommendation than
> damnation with faint praise from David Hurwitz.

Are you willing to listen again to Panzerfaust? ;-)

dk

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 by: Andrew Clarke - Sun, 21 May 2023 16:01 UTC

On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 6:48:07 PM UTC+10, Andy Evans wrote:
> On Sunday, 21 May 2023 at 06:19:12 UTC+1, Andrew Clarke wrote:
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> > I can think of no warmer recommendation than damnation with faint praise from David Hurwitz.
> >
> > Andrew Clarke > Canberra
> Dave is a complete media slut, but he's not stupid or uninformative. Like almost all reviewers, he can be taken in short doses with an open mind, and just used for anything useful he brings to the table. Nobody in their right minds takes reviewers as gospel.

If his mind were more open, he'd be considerably more useful.

Andrew Clarke
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 by: Marc S - Sun, 21 May 2023 16:58 UTC

Andrew Clarke schrieb am Sonntag, 21. Mai 2023 um 18:01:34 UTC+2:
> On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 6:48:07 PM UTC+10, Andy Evans wrote:
> > On Sunday, 21 May 2023 at 06:19:12 UTC+1, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> >
> > > I can think of no warmer recommendation than damnation with faint praise from David Hurwitz.
> > >
> > > Andrew Clarke > Canberra
> > Dave is a complete media slut, but he's not stupid or uninformative. Like almost all reviewers, he can be taken in short doses with an open mind, and just used for anything useful he brings to the table. Nobody in their right minds takes reviewers as gospel.
> If his mind were more open, he'd be considerably more useful.

If your mind were more open you would realize that Dave Hurwitz does not exist in this world to be useful for you or anyone, but to be himself, and he's a funny guy as opposed to the miserable guy that you are.

This inhumane statement of yours sort of the captures the problem of the world today quite well; that people are being reduced to being useful and that being a mensch is not really valued; people being reduced to useful things that can be exchanged at any time... you know, like you can be easily exchanged in your job (in most jobs at least. But Sokolov or Volodos or Schnabel can't be exchanged at their "job").

>
> Andrew Clarke
> Canberra

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 by: Andrew Clarke - Sun, 21 May 2023 22:40 UTC

On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 8:10:12 PM UTC+10, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 10:19:12 PM UTC-7, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> > On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 2:25:57 PM UTC+10, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 9:21:12 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 9:18:22 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:22:09 PM UTC-7, Oscar wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > R.I.P., Madam. I have been restrained
> > > > > > in my CD purchases this year,
> > > >
> > > > > Good for you.
> > > >
> > > > > > but the one big box I have selected to
> > > > > > add to my collection is the Ingrid Haebler
> > > > > > 58CD set on UME. I just do not hear the
> > > > > > 'typewriter' accusation.
> > > >
> > > > > Description, not accusation.
> > > >
> > > > > > Refined is the word that springs to mind
> > > > > > when I recall what I have listened to, yet,
> > > > > > yes, admittedly, not the final word on any
> > > > > > of the repertoire.
> > > > >
> > > > > Stop gaslighting us. Decades ago during
> > > > > the years BYT we were all restricted to
> > > > > "dancing about architecture" when we
> > > > > tried to describe music performances.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nowadays, one can easily provide sound
> > > > > exmples via YT, Spotify, Amazon Music,
> > > > > or even upload recordings from one's
> > > > > personal collection. Provide examples
> > > > > of her playing that support your claims
> > > > > of "refinement" -- or shut up.
> > > > >
> > > > > Habler's Night Marches may be found
> > > > > at https://youtu.be/z9dTEhmqunQ.
> > > > >
> > > > > From the very note one immediately
> > > > > hears the metronome and the stomp
> > > > > on the keys. Not only is this not Chopin,
> > > > > it isn't even music.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Just solid and honest playing, front to
> > > > > > back, throughout the set.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Solid and honest" is no longer enough,
> > > > > not even in sports.
> > > >
> > > > Here is Haebler's "refined" Chopin, alla
> > > > marcia, martellato, boots on the keys:
> > > >
> > > > https://youtu.be/z9dTEhmqunQ?t=2750
> > >
> > > Just listen to Dave Hurwitz's review of
> > > the 58 CD box:
> > >
> > > https://youtu.be/b2bqYyP4V50
> > >
> > > "58 Decca CDs of Ingrid Haebler is too much.
> > > Always a solid musician, she simply lacks the
> > > imagination and emotional amplitude of the
> > > best performers of Mozart's and Schubert's
> > > solo keyboard works. Where she does excel,
> > > however, is in her partnerships with artists
> > > such as Szeryng, Grumiaux, or in the music
> > > of J.C Bach (played on a fortepiano). Still,
> > > there's too much here that's merely good to
> > > justify the expense to get the performances
> > > that are better than that."
> > >
> > > Damning with faint praise.
> >
> > I can think of no warmer recommendation than
> > damnation with faint praise from David Hurwitz.
> Are you willing to listen again to Panzerfaust? ;-)
>
> dk

Very much so. My collection of John Wilson / Sinfonia of London recordings is growing, too - except for the English music recordings, which are the only ones Dave likes, because I don't need any more Elgar Serenades or RVW Tallises, I have enough already, including the ones Barbirolli recorded with the original Sinfonia of London ca. 1960. And I am going to download the Rattle Sibelius cycle with the BirmingHAM orchestra to go with the Klaus Makkela set that I also bought on Big Dave's recommendation.

I usually read the comments on Mr Dallas's videos before I watch the video. I love the ones that sound like 1950s ads for patent medicines or bedtime chocolate drinks: "Oh, than you David for all your wonderful videos - three months ago I lost my job, I was sleeping in the Tenderloin, my wife had left me, and I was drinking a gallon of paint stripper a day. Then I started watching your reviews, got rid of all my Norrington records and set fire to my backset of The Gramophone, and now I'm Vice-President (Client Relations) at Chase Manhattan, I bought the house next door to Beyonc'e and Miss South Dakota 2021 moved in with me last week".

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On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 2:58:58 AM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> Andrew Clarke schrieb am Sonntag, 21. Mai 2023 um 18:01:34 UTC+2:
> > On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 6:48:07 PM UTC+10, Andy Evans wrote:
> > > On Sunday, 21 May 2023 at 06:19:12 UTC+1, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> > >
> > > > I can think of no warmer recommendation than damnation with faint praise from David Hurwitz.
> > > >
> > > > Andrew Clarke > Canberra
> > > Dave is a complete media slut, but he's not stupid or uninformative. Like almost all reviewers, he can be taken in short doses with an open mind, and just used for anything useful he brings to the table. Nobody in their right minds takes reviewers as gospel.
> > If his mind were more open, he'd be considerably more useful.
> If your mind were more open you would realize that Dave Hurwitz does not exist in this world to be useful for you or anyone, but to be himself, and he's a funny guy as opposed to the miserable guy that you are.
>
> This inhumane statement of yours sort of the captures the problem of the world today quite well; that people are being reduced to being useful and that being a mensch is not really valued; people being reduced to useful things that can be exchanged at any time... you know, like you can be easily exchanged in your job (in most jobs at least. But Sokolov or Volodos or Schnabel can't be exchanged at their "job").
>
> >
> > Andrew Clarke
> > Canberra

I am as surprised to discover that I am miserable as I am to discover that Dave the Dude is funny. He's not a mensch, he's a Munch, and I'm screaming ....

See also comments at <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs3_zhTm0i8 >

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Andrew Clarke schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 17:56:42 UTC+2:
> On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 2:58:58 AM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > Andrew Clarke schrieb am Sonntag, 21. Mai 2023 um 18:01:34 UTC+2:
> > > On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 6:48:07 PM UTC+10, Andy Evans wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, 21 May 2023 at 06:19:12 UTC+1, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I can think of no warmer recommendation than damnation with faint praise from David Hurwitz.
> > > > >
> > > > > Andrew Clarke > Canberra
> > > > Dave is a complete media slut, but he's not stupid or uninformative.. Like almost all reviewers, he can be taken in short doses with an open mind, and just used for anything useful he brings to the table. Nobody in their right minds takes reviewers as gospel.
> > > If his mind were more open, he'd be considerably more useful.
> > If your mind were more open you would realize that Dave Hurwitz does not exist in this world to be useful for you or anyone, but to be himself, and he's a funny guy as opposed to the miserable guy that you are.
> >
> > This inhumane statement of yours sort of the captures the problem of the world today quite well; that people are being reduced to being useful and that being a mensch is not really valued; people being reduced to useful things that can be exchanged at any time... you know, like you can be easily exchanged in your job (in most jobs at least. But Sokolov or Volodos or Schnabel can't be exchanged at their "job").
> >
> > >
> > > Andrew Clarke
> > > Canberra
> I am as surprised to discover that I am miserable as I am to discover that Dave the Dude is funny. He's not a mensch, he's a Munch, and I'm screaming ...

Wait until you discover how unfunny you are...

>
> See also comments at <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs3_zhTm0i8 >
>
> Andrew Clarke
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> Wait until you discover how unfunny you are...

Let me reassure you, Marc, in the light of your previous strictures on the subject of usefulness, that I have never considered you either useful or, given your unique insights into the human condition, replaceable.

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Andrew Clarke schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 18:08:20 UTC+2:
> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 2:01:50 AM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
>
> > Wait until you discover how unfunny you are...
> Let me reassure you, Marc, in the light of your previous strictures on the subject of usefulness, that I have never considered you either useful or, given your unique insights into the human condition, replaceable.

No suprise, since my ideas would not be of use* for idiots.

*I never said that humans can't be "useful" for each other generally, but that this world is _reducing_ humans to being useful. You have been shitting on Dave Hurwitz for ages - jsut goes on to show how miserable you are.

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> Andrew Clarke
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 by: Marc S - Mon, 22 May 2023 16:36 UTC

Andrew Clarke schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 18:08:20 UTC+2:
> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 2:01:50 AM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
>
> > Wait until you discover how unfunny you are...
> Let me reassure you, Marc, in the light of your previous strictures on the subject of usefulness, that I have never considered you either useful or, given your unique insights into the human condition, replaceable.
>
> Andrew Clarke
> Canberra

You have said years ago already that Dave Hurwitz is of no use for you, all good, now carry on. As it seems though as if Dave Hurwitz is of use for you: To let out your suppressed feelings (say anger or we) on him every now and then. If he were of no use for you, you would not mention him. Plain and simple.

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Op maandag 22 mei 2023 om 17:56:42 UTC+2 schreef Andrew Clarke:

> I am as surprised to discover that I am miserable as I am to discover that Dave the Dude is funny. He's not a mensch, he's a Munch, and I'm screaming ...
>
> See also comments at <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs3_zhTm0i8 >
>

He surely is not a mensch, since he has acclaimed and crowned himself "The Ultimate Classical Music Guru" and has surrounded himself with only worshippers.

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 by: Dan Koren - Mon, 22 May 2023 18:51 UTC

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 9:28:43 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
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> No suprise, since my ideas would not be of use* for idiots.
>

So your "ideas" are not even useful to you ?!?

dk

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 by: Marc S - Mon, 22 May 2023 18:53 UTC

Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 20:51:10 UTC+2:
> On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 9:28:43 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
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> > No suprise, since my ideas would not be of use* for idiots.
> >
> So your "ideas" are not even useful to you ?!?

This might seem this way to an idiot like you.
>
> dk

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 by: Andrew Clarke - Tue, 23 May 2023 02:10 UTC

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 2:36:51 AM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> Andrew Clarke schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 18:08:20 UTC+2:
> > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 2:01:50 AM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> >
> > > Wait until you discover how unfunny you are...
> > Let me reassure you, Marc, in the light of your previous strictures on the subject of usefulness, that I have never considered you either useful or, given your unique insights into the human condition, replaceable.
> >
> > Andrew Clarke
> > Canberra
> You have said years ago already that Dave Hurwitz is of no use for you, all good, now carry on. As it seems though as if Dave Hurwitz is of use for you: To let out your suppressed feelings (say anger or we) on him every now and then. If he were of no use for you, you would not mention him. Plain and simple.

Even plainer and simpler might be to follow the discussion on Dave the Dude's reflections on Mr John Wilson's recent recording of Sergei Rachmaninoff's Symphony on YouTube. Mr Dallas finds it emotionally underpowered. From there, he makes the illogical slide to suggesting that this makes it a mediocre recording, to the extent that Chandos should never have issued it. Furthermore, he suggests, on the grounds that he enjoyed their two recordings of British music, that Mr Wilson should record nothing else, which seems a little-high-handed. From there, the Big Dave Fan Club takes up the hue and cry, with, oh so predictably, an attack on The Gramophone. One BDFC member notes that The Gramophone always gives Mr Wilson's recordings rave reviews and includes them in Editor's choice, even though the quality varies considerably: it is then pointed out that the Rach 2 was not included in the June issue's Editor's Choice, and that three other British critics - two for MusicWeb International and one for The Guardian - agreed that Mr Wilson's interpretation was emotionally underpowered. Then another BDFC member suggested that Chandos didn't have to worry about getting their money back because the massive weight of The Gramophone's marketing push would ensure enormous sales, in response to which, somebody published that august magazine's circulation figures, which are not high. It was also pointed out that the vast majority of recordings included in the June Editor's Choice did not emanate from British ensembles, soloists or conductors, as in fact is usual usually the case whatever the month might be. A couple of people had the temerity to suggest that Mr Wilson's interpretation might have a lot going for it, especially when it comes to clarity, and absence of sentimental slush. And even Big Dave was happy to agree with some of the conductor's choices and the quality of much of the playing.

I suppose we non-American goyim could comment sourly on The Davald's choice of a recent recording of Rach 2, in a different video, namely from an American orchestra (Detroit) with a Jewish American conductor (Leonard Slatkin, whose Ravel I greatly admire). But we won't because we don't entertain those kinds of conspiracy theories ...

Andrew Clarke
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 by: Marc S - Tue, 23 May 2023 04:24 UTC

Andrew Clarke schrieb am Dienstag, 23. Mai 2023 um 04:10:37 UTC+2:
> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 2:36:51 AM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > Andrew Clarke schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 18:08:20 UTC+2:
> > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 2:01:50 AM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > >
> > > > Wait until you discover how unfunny you are...
> > > Let me reassure you, Marc, in the light of your previous strictures on the subject of usefulness, that I have never considered you either useful or, given your unique insights into the human condition, replaceable.
> > >
> > > Andrew Clarke
> > > Canberra
> > You have said years ago already that Dave Hurwitz is of no use for you, all good, now carry on. As it seems though as if Dave Hurwitz is of use for you: To let out your suppressed feelings (say anger or we) on him every now and then. If he were of no use for you, you would not mention him. Plain and simple.
> Even plainer and simpler might be to follow the discussion on Dave the Dude's reflections on Mr John Wilson's recent recording of Sergei Rachmaninoff's Symphony on YouTube.

Don't delude yourself into thinking that you are actually able to follow the discussion, Andrew, it's plainly obvious you can't even follow your own thoughts.

Try to reflect a little on your idiocy.

>
> I suppose we non-American goyim could comment sourly on The Davald's choice of a recent recording of Rach 2, in a different video, namely from an American orchestra (Detroit) with a Jewish American conductor (Leonard Slatkin, whose Ravel I greatly admire). But we won't because we don't entertain those kinds of conspiracy theories ...

Are you demented or sth?

>
> Andrew Clarke
> Canberra

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 by: Andrew Clarke - Tue, 23 May 2023 06:09 UTC

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 2:24:20 PM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> Andrew Clarke schrieb am Dienstag, 23. Mai 2023 um 04:10:37 UTC+2:
> > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 2:36:51 AM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > Andrew Clarke schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 18:08:20 UTC+2:
> > > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 2:01:50 AM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Wait until you discover how unfunny you are...
> > > > Let me reassure you, Marc, in the light of your previous strictures on the subject of usefulness, that I have never considered you either useful or, given your unique insights into the human condition, replaceable.
> > > >
> > > > Andrew Clarke
> > > > Canberra
> > > You have said years ago already that Dave Hurwitz is of no use for you, all good, now carry on. As it seems though as if Dave Hurwitz is of use for you: To let out your suppressed feelings (say anger or we) on him every now and then. If he were of no use for you, you would not mention him. Plain and simple.
> > Even plainer and simpler might be to follow the discussion on Dave the Dude's reflections on Mr John Wilson's recent recording of Sergei Rachmaninoff's Symphony on YouTube.
> Don't delude yourself into thinking that you are actually able to follow the discussion, Andrew, it's plainly obvious you can't even follow your own thoughts.
>
> Try to reflect a little on your idiocy.
> >
> > I suppose we non-American goyim could comment sourly on The Davald's choice of a recent recording of Rach 2, in a different video, namely from an American orchestra (Detroit) with a Jewish American conductor (Leonard Slatkin, whose Ravel I greatly admire). But we won't because we don't entertain those kinds of conspiracy theories ...
> Are you demented or sth?
>
> >
> > Andrew Clarke
> > Canberra

I am not sufficiently demented to attempt amateur psychoanalysis on someone located thousands of miles away, and whom I've never met.

Meanwhile, would you care to point out which bits of Dave the Dude's criticism and the comments thereon I have failed to understand?

Andrew Clarke
Canberra

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 by: Marc S - Tue, 23 May 2023 06:44 UTC

Andrew Clarke schrieb am Dienstag, 23. Mai 2023 um 08:09:11 UTC+2:
> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 2:24:20 PM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > Andrew Clarke schrieb am Dienstag, 23. Mai 2023 um 04:10:37 UTC+2:
> > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 2:36:51 AM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > > Andrew Clarke schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 18:08:20 UTC+2:
> > > > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 2:01:50 AM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Wait until you discover how unfunny you are...
> > > > > Let me reassure you, Marc, in the light of your previous strictures on the subject of usefulness, that I have never considered you either useful or, given your unique insights into the human condition, replaceable.
> > > > >
> > > > > Andrew Clarke
> > > > > Canberra
> > > > You have said years ago already that Dave Hurwitz is of no use for you, all good, now carry on. As it seems though as if Dave Hurwitz is of use for you: To let out your suppressed feelings (say anger or we) on him every now and then. If he were of no use for you, you would not mention him. Plain and simple.
> > > Even plainer and simpler might be to follow the discussion on Dave the Dude's reflections on Mr John Wilson's recent recording of Sergei Rachmaninoff's Symphony on YouTube.
> > Don't delude yourself into thinking that you are actually able to follow the discussion, Andrew, it's plainly obvious you can't even follow your own thoughts.
> >
> > Try to reflect a little on your idiocy.
> > >
> > > I suppose we non-American goyim could comment sourly on The Davald's choice of a recent recording of Rach 2, in a different video, namely from an American orchestra (Detroit) with a Jewish American conductor (Leonard Slatkin, whose Ravel I greatly admire). But we won't because we don't entertain those kinds of conspiracy theories ...
> > Are you demented or sth?
> >
> > >
> > > Andrew Clarke
> > > Canberra
> I am not sufficiently demented to attempt amateur psychoanalysis on someone located thousands of miles away, and whom I've never met.

No, you are getting this wrong: To psychologically analyse the writings of others is not a sign of dementia, but just a reasonable thing to do - if you are not demented, but of clear mind that is, ofc.

It is just a sign of dementia that you can't follow my thoughts.

>
> Meanwhile, would you care to point out which bits of Dave the Dude's criticism and the comments thereon I have failed to understand?

Sorry, Andrew the Ape, but I don't really care about this... What I would like to point out though is the following exchange of yours and Andy:

Andrew Clarke schrieb am Sonntag, 21. Mai 2023 um 18:01:34 UTC+2:
> On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 6:48:07 PM UTC+10, Andy Evans wrote:
> > On Sunday, 21 May 2023 at 06:19:12 UTC+1, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> >
> > > I can think of no warmer recommendation than damnation with faint praise from David Hurwitz.
> > >
> > > Andrew Clarke > Canberra
> > Dave is a complete media slut, but he's not stupid or uninformative. Like almost all reviewers, he can be taken in short doses with an open mind, and just used for anything useful he brings to the table. Nobody in their right minds takes reviewers as gospel.
> If his mind were more open, he'd be considerably more useful.
>
> Andrew Clarke
> Canberra

Andrew the Ape, would you care to point out what is obviously wrong with this exchange? Maybe surprise me for once...

>
> Andrew Clarke
> Canberra

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 by: Dan Koren - Tue, 23 May 2023 06:54 UTC

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 11:09:11 PM UTC-7, Andrew Clarke wrote:
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> I am not sufficiently demented to
> attempt amateur psychoanalysis
> on someone located thousands of
> miles away, and whom I've never met.
>

Are you sufficiently demented to
provide psychoanalytical services
at closer distances?

If so, welcome to the team! ;-)

dk

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 by: Marc S - Tue, 23 May 2023 07:02 UTC

Dan Koren schrieb am Dienstag, 23. Mai 2023 um 08:54:51 UTC+2:
> On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 11:09:11 PM UTC-7, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> >
> > I am not sufficiently demented to
> > attempt amateur psychoanalysis
> > on someone located thousands of
> > miles away, and whom I've never met.
> >
> Are you sufficiently demented to
> provide psychoanalytical services
> at closer distances?

What a demented joke...

>
> If so, welcome to the team! ;-)

jt, you have to learn to reflect on yourself first, before getting into the psychoanalysis of others...

>
> dk

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 by: Andrew Clarke - Tue, 23 May 2023 11:53 UTC

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 4:44:22 PM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> Andrew Clarke schrieb am Dienstag, 23. Mai 2023 um 08:09:11 UTC+2:
> > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 2:24:20 PM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > Andrew Clarke schrieb am Dienstag, 23. Mai 2023 um 04:10:37 UTC+2:
> > > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 2:36:51 AM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > > > Andrew Clarke schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 18:08:20 UTC+2:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 2:01:50 AM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wait until you discover how unfunny you are...
> > > > > > Let me reassure you, Marc, in the light of your previous strictures on the subject of usefulness, that I have never considered you either useful or, given your unique insights into the human condition, replaceable..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andrew Clarke
> > > > > > Canberra
> > > > > You have said years ago already that Dave Hurwitz is of no use for you, all good, now carry on. As it seems though as if Dave Hurwitz is of use for you: To let out your suppressed feelings (say anger or we) on him every now and then. If he were of no use for you, you would not mention him. Plain and simple.
> > > > Even plainer and simpler might be to follow the discussion on Dave the Dude's reflections on Mr John Wilson's recent recording of Sergei Rachmaninoff's Symphony on YouTube.
> > > Don't delude yourself into thinking that you are actually able to follow the discussion, Andrew, it's plainly obvious you can't even follow your own thoughts.
> > >
> > > Try to reflect a little on your idiocy.
> > > >
> > > > I suppose we non-American goyim could comment sourly on The Davald's choice of a recent recording of Rach 2, in a different video, namely from an American orchestra (Detroit) with a Jewish American conductor (Leonard Slatkin, whose Ravel I greatly admire). But we won't because we don't entertain those kinds of conspiracy theories ...
> > > Are you demented or sth?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Andrew Clarke
> > > > Canberra
> > I am not sufficiently demented to attempt amateur psychoanalysis on someone located thousands of miles away, and whom I've never met.
> No, you are getting this wrong: To psychologically analyse the writings of others is not a sign of dementia, but just a reasonable thing to do - if you are not demented, but of clear mind that is, ofc.
>
> It is just a sign of dementia that you can't follow my thoughts.
> >
> > Meanwhile, would you care to point out which bits of Dave the Dude's criticism and the comments thereon I have failed to understand?
> Sorry, Andrew the Ape, but I don't really care about this... What I would like to point out though is the following exchange of yours and Andy:
> Andrew Clarke schrieb am Sonntag, 21. Mai 2023 um 18:01:34 UTC+2:
> > On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 6:48:07 PM UTC+10, Andy Evans wrote:
> > > On Sunday, 21 May 2023 at 06:19:12 UTC+1, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> > >
> > > > I can think of no warmer recommendation than damnation with faint praise from David Hurwitz.
> > > >
> > > > Andrew Clarke > Canberra
> > > Dave is a complete media slut, but he's not stupid or uninformative. Like almost all reviewers, he can be taken in short doses with an open mind, and just used for anything useful he brings to the table. Nobody in their right minds takes reviewers as gospel.
> > If his mind were more open, he'd be considerably more useful.
> >
> > Andrew Clarke
> > Canberra
>
> Andrew the Ape, would you care to point out what is obviously wrong with this exchange? Maybe surprise me for once...
>
> >
> > Andrew Clarke
> > Canberra

Andrew the Ape, eh? My goodness, that takes me back to my primary school days, all those years ago. But anyway, I don't see anything wrong with the above exchange whatsoever.

Meanwhile, you don't care to refute my analysis of Dave and the BDFC's treatment of Mr Wilson's Rach 2. Tell it not in Gath, but is there a possibility that this is because you cannot?

Andrew Clarke
Canberra

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Subject: Re: RIP...
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 by: Marc S - Tue, 23 May 2023 12:56 UTC

Andrew Clarke schrieb am Dienstag, 23. Mai 2023 um 13:53:33 UTC+2:
> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 4:44:22 PM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > Andrew Clarke schrieb am Dienstag, 23. Mai 2023 um 08:09:11 UTC+2:
> > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 2:24:20 PM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > > Andrew Clarke schrieb am Dienstag, 23. Mai 2023 um 04:10:37 UTC+2:
> > > > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 2:36:51 AM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > > > > Andrew Clarke schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 18:08:20 UTC+2:
> > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 2:01:50 AM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Wait until you discover how unfunny you are...
> > > > > > > Let me reassure you, Marc, in the light of your previous strictures on the subject of usefulness, that I have never considered you either useful or, given your unique insights into the human condition, replaceable.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Andrew Clarke
> > > > > > > Canberra
> > > > > > You have said years ago already that Dave Hurwitz is of no use for you, all good, now carry on. As it seems though as if Dave Hurwitz is of use for you: To let out your suppressed feelings (say anger or we) on him every now and then. If he were of no use for you, you would not mention him. Plain and simple.
> > > > > Even plainer and simpler might be to follow the discussion on Dave the Dude's reflections on Mr John Wilson's recent recording of Sergei Rachmaninoff's Symphony on YouTube.
> > > > Don't delude yourself into thinking that you are actually able to follow the discussion, Andrew, it's plainly obvious you can't even follow your own thoughts.
> > > >
> > > > Try to reflect a little on your idiocy.
> > > > >
> > > > > I suppose we non-American goyim could comment sourly on The Davald's choice of a recent recording of Rach 2, in a different video, namely from an American orchestra (Detroit) with a Jewish American conductor (Leonard Slatkin, whose Ravel I greatly admire). But we won't because we don't entertain those kinds of conspiracy theories ...
> > > > Are you demented or sth?
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Andrew Clarke
> > > > > Canberra
> > > I am not sufficiently demented to attempt amateur psychoanalysis on someone located thousands of miles away, and whom I've never met.
> > No, you are getting this wrong: To psychologically analyse the writings of others is not a sign of dementia, but just a reasonable thing to do - if you are not demented, but of clear mind that is, ofc.
> >
> > It is just a sign of dementia that you can't follow my thoughts.
> > >
> > > Meanwhile, would you care to point out which bits of Dave the Dude's criticism and the comments thereon I have failed to understand?
> > Sorry, Andrew the Ape, but I don't really care about this... What I would like to point out though is the following exchange of yours and Andy:
> > Andrew Clarke schrieb am Sonntag, 21. Mai 2023 um 18:01:34 UTC+2:
> > > On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 6:48:07 PM UTC+10, Andy Evans wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, 21 May 2023 at 06:19:12 UTC+1, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I can think of no warmer recommendation than damnation with faint praise from David Hurwitz.
> > > > >
> > > > > Andrew Clarke > Canberra
> > > > Dave is a complete media slut, but he's not stupid or uninformative.. Like almost all reviewers, he can be taken in short doses with an open mind, and just used for anything useful he brings to the table. Nobody in their right minds takes reviewers as gospel.
> > > If his mind were more open, he'd be considerably more useful.
> > >
> > > Andrew Clarke
> > > Canberra
> >
> > Andrew the Ape, would you care to point out what is obviously wrong with this exchange? Maybe surprise me for once...
> >
> > >
> > > Andrew Clarke
> > > Canberra
> Andrew the Ape, eh? My goodness, that takes me back to my primary school days, all those years ago. But anyway, I don't see anything wrong with the above exchange whatsoever t.

Well, just an idea, could this have to do sth with you being an ape?

>
> Meanwhile, you don't care to refute my analysis of Dave and the BDFC's treatment of Mr Wilson's Rach 2. Tell it not in Gath, but is there a possibility that this is because you cannot?

No. Wanna know why? Because this wasn't my point at all - no surprise you missed it completely...

>
> Andrew Clarke
> Canberra

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Subject: Re: RIP...
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 by: Andrew Clarke - Tue, 23 May 2023 13:17 UTC

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 10:56:20 PM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> Andrew Clarke schrieb am Dienstag, 23. Mai 2023 um 13:53:33 UTC+2:
> > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 4:44:22 PM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > Andrew Clarke schrieb am Dienstag, 23. Mai 2023 um 08:09:11 UTC+2:
> > > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 2:24:20 PM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > > > Andrew Clarke schrieb am Dienstag, 23. Mai 2023 um 04:10:37 UTC+2:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 2:36:51 AM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > > > > > Andrew Clarke schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 18:08:20 UTC+2:
> > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 2:01:50 AM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Wait until you discover how unfunny you are...
> > > > > > > > Let me reassure you, Marc, in the light of your previous strictures on the subject of usefulness, that I have never considered you either useful or, given your unique insights into the human condition, replaceable.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Andrew Clarke
> > > > > > > > Canberra
> > > > > > > You have said years ago already that Dave Hurwitz is of no use for you, all good, now carry on. As it seems though as if Dave Hurwitz is of use for you: To let out your suppressed feelings (say anger or we) on him every now and then. If he were of no use for you, you would not mention him. Plain and simple.
> > > > > > Even plainer and simpler might be to follow the discussion on Dave the Dude's reflections on Mr John Wilson's recent recording of Sergei Rachmaninoff's Symphony on YouTube.
> > > > > Don't delude yourself into thinking that you are actually able to follow the discussion, Andrew, it's plainly obvious you can't even follow your own thoughts.
> > > > >
> > > > > Try to reflect a little on your idiocy.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I suppose we non-American goyim could comment sourly on The Davald's choice of a recent recording of Rach 2, in a different video, namely from an American orchestra (Detroit) with a Jewish American conductor (Leonard Slatkin, whose Ravel I greatly admire). But we won't because we don't entertain those kinds of conspiracy theories ...
> > > > > Are you demented or sth?
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andrew Clarke
> > > > > > Canberra
> > > > I am not sufficiently demented to attempt amateur psychoanalysis on someone located thousands of miles away, and whom I've never met.
> > > No, you are getting this wrong: To psychologically analyse the writings of others is not a sign of dementia, but just a reasonable thing to do - if you are not demented, but of clear mind that is, ofc.
> > >
> > > It is just a sign of dementia that you can't follow my thoughts.
> > > >
> > > > Meanwhile, would you care to point out which bits of Dave the Dude's criticism and the comments thereon I have failed to understand?
> > > Sorry, Andrew the Ape, but I don't really care about this... What I would like to point out though is the following exchange of yours and Andy:
> > > Andrew Clarke schrieb am Sonntag, 21. Mai 2023 um 18:01:34 UTC+2:
> > > > On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 6:48:07 PM UTC+10, Andy Evans wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, 21 May 2023 at 06:19:12 UTC+1, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I can think of no warmer recommendation than damnation with faint praise from David Hurwitz.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andrew Clarke > Canberra
> > > > > Dave is a complete media slut, but he's not stupid or uninformative. Like almost all reviewers, he can be taken in short doses with an open mind, and just used for anything useful he brings to the table. Nobody in their right minds takes reviewers as gospel.
> > > > If his mind were more open, he'd be considerably more useful.
> > > >
> > > > Andrew Clarke
> > > > Canberra
> > >
> > > Andrew the Ape, would you care to point out what is obviously wrong with this exchange? Maybe surprise me for once...
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Andrew Clarke
> > > > Canberra
> > Andrew the Ape, eh? My goodness, that takes me back to my primary school days, all those years ago. But anyway, I don't see anything wrong with the above exchange whatsoever t.
>
> Well, just an idea, could this have to do sth with you being an ape?

Could it have anything to do with your being mentally still in 3rd grade?
> >
> > Meanwhile, you don't care to refute my analysis of Dave and the BDFC's treatment of Mr Wilson's Rach 2. Tell it not in Gath, but is there a possibility that this is because you cannot?
> No. Wanna know why? Because this wasn't my point at all - no surprise you missed it completely...

I have to say that I am struggling to find any point at all, apart from my being unaccountably miserable and Dave the Dude being a mensch, although we haven't got onto my blatant antisemitism yet, although it's only a matter of time.

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On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 4:54:51 PM UTC+10, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 11:09:11 PM UTC-7, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> >
> > I am not sufficiently demented to
> > attempt amateur psychoanalysis
> > on someone located thousands of
> > miles away, and whom I've never met.
> >
> Are you sufficiently demented to
> provide psychoanalytical services
> at closer distances?
>
> If so, welcome to the team! ;-)
>
> dk

Oh, we don't do analysis any more, Dan, we just fill them full of valium and put 'em back on the bus. Psychoanalysis is one of those theories that has done the rounds of the academic departmental mail: it starts off somewhere respectable like Physics or Medicine and then gets handed down from Faculty to Faculty until it finishes up, threadbare and tattered, in some hellhole like English Literature.

Andrew Clarke
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On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 4:32:24 PM UTC-7, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 4:54:51 PM UTC+10, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 11:09:11 PM UTC-7, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> > >
> > > I am not sufficiently demented to
> > > attempt amateur psychoanalysis
> > > on someone located thousands of
> > > miles away, and whom I've never met.
> > >
> > Are you sufficiently demented to
> > provide psychoanalytical services
> > at closer distances?
> >
> > If so, welcome to the team! ;-)
>
> Oh, we don't do analysis any more,

I am well aware. ;-)

> we just fill them full of valium and
> put 'em back on the bus.

The SpaceX shuttle to another planet? ;-)

Looking at Australia's map, it does not
seem roads and highways lead to any
places other than oceans or deserts.
So where do buses go ?!?

> Psychoanalysis is one of those theories
> that has done the rounds of the academic
> departmental mail: it starts off somewhere
> respectable like Physics or Medicine and
> then gets handed down from Faculty to
> Faculty until it finishes up, threadbare
> and tattered, in some hellhole like
> English Literature.

I am well aware. During the 1960s and
the 1970s I had crushes on a couple of
psychology students, and I had to read
all the psycho textbooks and literature
in order to earn my seat at the table.

dk

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 by: Andrew Clarke - Wed, 24 May 2023 02:41 UTC

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 9:40:36 AM UTC+10, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 4:32:24 PM UTC-7, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 4:54:51 PM UTC+10, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 11:09:11 PM UTC-7, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I am not sufficiently demented to
> > > > attempt amateur psychoanalysis
> > > > on someone located thousands of
> > > > miles away, and whom I've never met.
> > > >
> > > Are you sufficiently demented to
> > > provide psychoanalytical services
> > > at closer distances?
> > >
> > > If so, welcome to the team! ;-)
> >
> > Oh, we don't do analysis any more,
> I am well aware. ;-)
> > we just fill them full of valium and
> > put 'em back on the bus.
> The SpaceX shuttle to another planet? ;-)

No, the hospital bus to the nearest sheltered workshop, where the laptops are permanently connected to rec.music.classical.recordings ...
>
> Looking at Australia's map, it does not
> seem roads and highways lead to any
> places other than oceans or deserts.
> So where do buses go ?!?

Australia is a country whose international image is the exact opposite to reality. Yes, there are people who wear broad-rimmed hats and moleskins and live on cattle stations in the outback, a la Crocodile Dundee, but Australia is actually one of the most urbanised countries in the world. Most of us live in the suburbs of the big state capitals: Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth, with rather fewer living in Hobart. Canberra is Australia's largest inland city, with a population of about 400,000. So buses run around the suburbs of Australia, just like they run around the suburbs of NYC or Chicago or LA except there's much less chance of getting shot. For tram enthusiasts, there's a very extensive network in Melbourne.

We do have Greyhound and Murray's interstate coaches, running between the mainland capitals. There is an hourly coach service between Canberra and Sydney, and a very gruelling overnight coach from Canberra to Melbourne. I've done the Perth-Adelaide run a couple of times. Most people fly or drive.

> > Psychoanalysis is one of those theories
> > that has done the rounds of the academic
> > departmental mail: it starts off somewhere
> > respectable like Physics or Medicine and
> > then gets handed down from Faculty to
> > Faculty until it finishes up, threadbare
> > and tattered, in some hellhole like
> > English Literature.
> I am well aware. During the 1960s and
> the 1970s I had crushes on a couple of
> psychology students, and I had to read
> all the psycho textbooks and literature
> in order to earn my seat at the table.

These days, psychology seems to be a branch of statistics and psychiatry a branch of pharmacology. So you don't get interesting stuff like penis envy and Oedipus complexes any more. You have to read - or pretend to read - the French post-structuralist critics to get that sort of thing these days.

Andrew Clarke
Canberra

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 by: Marc S - Wed, 24 May 2023 05:51 UTC

Andrew Clarke schrieb am Dienstag, 23. Mai 2023 um 15:17:57 UTC+2:
> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 10:56:20 PM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > Andrew Clarke schrieb am Dienstag, 23. Mai 2023 um 13:53:33 UTC+2:
> > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 4:44:22 PM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > > Andrew Clarke schrieb am Dienstag, 23. Mai 2023 um 08:09:11 UTC+2:
> > > > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 2:24:20 PM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > > > > Andrew Clarke schrieb am Dienstag, 23. Mai 2023 um 04:10:37 UTC+2:
> > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 2:36:51 AM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > > > > > > Andrew Clarke schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 18:08:20 UTC+2:
> > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 2:01:50 AM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Wait until you discover how unfunny you are...
> > > > > > > > > Let me reassure you, Marc, in the light of your previous strictures on the subject of usefulness, that I have never considered you either useful or, given your unique insights into the human condition, replaceable.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Andrew Clarke
> > > > > > > > > Canberra
> > > > > > > > You have said years ago already that Dave Hurwitz is of no use for you, all good, now carry on. As it seems though as if Dave Hurwitz is of use for you: To let out your suppressed feelings (say anger or we) on him every now and then. If he were of no use for you, you would not mention him. Plain and simple.
> > > > > > > Even plainer and simpler might be to follow the discussion on Dave the Dude's reflections on Mr John Wilson's recent recording of Sergei Rachmaninoff's Symphony on YouTube.
> > > > > > Don't delude yourself into thinking that you are actually able to follow the discussion, Andrew, it's plainly obvious you can't even follow your own thoughts.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Try to reflect a little on your idiocy.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I suppose we non-American goyim could comment sourly on The Davald's choice of a recent recording of Rach 2, in a different video, namely from an American orchestra (Detroit) with a Jewish American conductor (Leonard Slatkin, whose Ravel I greatly admire). But we won't because we don't entertain those kinds of conspiracy theories ...
> > > > > > Are you demented or sth?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Andrew Clarke
> > > > > > > Canberra
> > > > > I am not sufficiently demented to attempt amateur psychoanalysis on someone located thousands of miles away, and whom I've never met.
> > > > No, you are getting this wrong: To psychologically analyse the writings of others is not a sign of dementia, but just a reasonable thing to do - if you are not demented, but of clear mind that is, ofc.
> > > >
> > > > It is just a sign of dementia that you can't follow my thoughts.
> > > > >
> > > > > Meanwhile, would you care to point out which bits of Dave the Dude's criticism and the comments thereon I have failed to understand?
> > > > Sorry, Andrew the Ape, but I don't really care about this... What I would like to point out though is the following exchange of yours and Andy:
> > > > Andrew Clarke schrieb am Sonntag, 21. Mai 2023 um 18:01:34 UTC+2:
> > > > > On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 6:48:07 PM UTC+10, Andy Evans wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, 21 May 2023 at 06:19:12 UTC+1, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I can think of no warmer recommendation than damnation with faint praise from David Hurwitz.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Andrew Clarke > Canberra
> > > > > > Dave is a complete media slut, but he's not stupid or uninformative. Like almost all reviewers, he can be taken in short doses with an open mind, and just used for anything useful he brings to the table. Nobody in their right minds takes reviewers as gospel.
> > > > > If his mind were more open, he'd be considerably more useful.
> > > > >
> > > > > Andrew Clarke
> > > > > Canberra
> > > >
> > > > Andrew the Ape, would you care to point out what is obviously wrong with this exchange? Maybe surprise me for once...
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Andrew Clarke
> > > > > Canberra
> > > Andrew the Ape, eh? My goodness, that takes me back to my primary school days, all those years ago. But anyway, I don't see anything wrong with the above exchange whatsoever t.
> >
> > Well, just an idea, could this have to do sth with you being an ape?
> Could it have anything to do with your being mentally still in 3rd grade?

Now you are showing me the monkeyway of attempting psychoanalysis... very interesting, Andrew the Ape.

> > >
> > > Meanwhile, you don't care to refute my analysis of Dave and the BDFC's treatment of Mr Wilson's Rach 2. Tell it not in Gath, but is there a possibility that this is because you cannot?
> > No. Wanna know why? Because this wasn't my point at all - no surprise you missed it completely...
> I have to say that I am struggling to find any point at all, apart from my being unaccountably miserable and Dave the Dude being a mensch,

That's because you - just as it is with monkeys - have a limited ability to reflect on yourself. No problem. You can be an idiot - that's allowed; just as it is allowed for Dan to be a self-hating Jew who uses his family that was murdered in the shoah to lend himself some credibility.

> although we haven't got onto my blatant antisemitism yet, although it's only a matter of time.

Oh God... what nonsense...

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> Andrew Clarke
> Canberra

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