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 by: Mandryka - Mon, 22 May 2023 08:17 UTC

I’m really starting to enjoy the reflective, poetic, anti-virtuoso, approach of Uchida.

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 by: Mandryka - Mon, 22 May 2023 12:35 UTC

On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 6:03:18 PM UTC, HT wrote:
> Op donderdag 23 maart 2023 om 17:59:01 UTC+1 schreef Mandryka:
> > I've become really intrigued by this recording. Is there anyone else who makes these etudes sound so beautiful? And makes them sound so consistent with Debussy's style in other music like Preludes II.
> >
> > I just tried to listen to Joseph Moog play the first book, and though it's clearly fabulous pianism, I felt it didn't have the magic of Ferber. Somehow Moog seemed reductive, reducing the music to thrills about speed and piano technique. Ferber makes them sound to me like some of Debussy's best poetry.
> >
> >
> > Here, if you don't know it.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk_bU7nlX2c&ab_channel=OnTheTopofDamavandforever
> Moog's version of the Debussy études is one of the least interesting I know. Ferber is good but not one of my favourites.
>
> Henk

And having just played Ferber’s Bk2 again I still think it is the most beautiful Bk 2 I have ever heard.

I also tried to listen to Ericourt, but couldn’t get into it at all! It just seemed glib, sketchy.

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 by: Dan Koren - Tue, 23 May 2023 00:27 UTC

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 5:35:38 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
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> And having just played Ferber’s Bk2 again I still
> think it is the most beautiful Bk 2 I have ever heard.

Underpowered and undermotivated.
These are Etudes, not Nocturnes.

dk

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 by: Dan Koren - Tue, 23 May 2023 00:29 UTC

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 1:17:21 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
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> I’m really starting to enjoy the reflective,
> poetic, anti-virtuoso, approach of Uchida.

You must have meant anti-poetic. Also
note these are Etudes, "anti-virtuosic"
approaches do not work.

Mme Uchida is a real sewing machine.

dk

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 by: Mandryka - Tue, 23 May 2023 02:50 UTC

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 1:27:19 AM UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 5:35:38 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> >
> > And having just played Ferber’s Bk2 again I still
> > think it is the most beautiful Bk 2 I have ever heard.
> Underpowered and undermotivated.
> These are Etudes, not Nocturnes.
>
> dk

No. Beautiful.

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From: howie.st...@gmail.com (Mandryka)
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 by: Mandryka - Tue, 23 May 2023 02:50 UTC

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 1:29:33 AM UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 1:17:21 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> >
> > I’m really starting to enjoy the reflective,
> > poetic, anti-virtuoso, approach of Uchida.
> You must have meant anti-poetic. Also
> note these are Etudes, "anti-virtuosic"
> approaches do not work.
>
> Mme Uchida is a real sewing machine.
>
> dk

No. Uchida’s approach works.

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 by: Marc S - Tue, 23 May 2023 04:25 UTC

Dan Koren schrieb am Dienstag, 23. Mai 2023 um 02:29:33 UTC+2:
> On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 1:17:21 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> >
> > I’m really starting to enjoy the reflective,
> > poetic, anti-virtuoso, approach of Uchida.
> You must have meant anti-poetic. Also
> note these are Etudes, "anti-virtuosic"
> approaches do not work.
>
> Mme Uchida is a real sewing machine.

JT... try being a little more creative...

>
> dk

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Subject: Re: Albert Ferber's Debussy Etudes.
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 by: Dan Koren - Tue, 23 May 2023 06:56 UTC

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 7:50:37 PM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 1:29:33 AM UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 1:17:21 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > >
> > > I’m really starting to enjoy the reflective,
> > > poetic, anti-virtuoso, approach of Uchida.
> >
> > You must have meant anti-poetic. Also
> > note these are Etudes, "anti-virtuosic"
> > approaches do not work.
> >
> > Mme Uchida is a real sewing machine.
>
> No. Uchida’s approach works.

If you say so .... she is still
just another seamstress.

dk

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 by: Marc S - Tue, 23 May 2023 07:06 UTC

Dan Koren schrieb am Dienstag, 23. Mai 2023 um 08:56:20 UTC+2:
> On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 7:50:37 PM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 1:29:33 AM UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 1:17:21 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I’m really starting to enjoy the reflective,
> > > > poetic, anti-virtuoso, approach of Uchida.
> > >
> > > You must have meant anti-poetic. Also
> > > note these are Etudes, "anti-virtuosic"
> > > approaches do not work.
> > >
> > > Mme Uchida is a real sewing machine.
> >
> > No. Uchida’s approach works.
> If you say so .... she is still
> just another seamstress.
>
> dk

And you are just another monkey ;)

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Very much enjoying Bavouzet I this morning - thanks Henk for making me aware of it.

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