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Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 12:51:57 UTC+2:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/aw42ne3yb59evzs/KV%20453.m4a?dl=0

Who is this? sounds horrible... very ticky-tacky playing of Mozart... reminded me of Kocsis?

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Marc S schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 16:40:39 UTC+2:
> Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 12:51:57 UTC+2:
> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/aw42ne3yb59evzs/KV%20453.m4a?dl=0
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> Who is this? sounds horrible... very ticky-tacky playing of Mozart... reminded me of Kocsis?

but kocsis would probably play it faster? Hmm... not saying it was Kocsis btw... but the playing is very ticky-tacky...

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Marc S schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 16:45:25 UTC+2:
> Marc S schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 16:40:39 UTC+2:
> > Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 12:51:57 UTC+2:
> > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/aw42ne3yb59evzs/KV%20453.m4a?dl=0
> >
> > Who is this? sounds horrible... very ticky-tacky playing of Mozart... reminded me of Kocsis?
> but kocsis would probably play it faster? Hmm... not saying it was Kocsis btw... but the playing is very ticky-tacky...

Oh it's Anda?

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Marc S schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 16:45:25 UTC+2:
> Marc S schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 16:40:39 UTC+2:
> > Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 12:51:57 UTC+2:
> > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/aw42ne3yb59evzs/KV%20453.m4a?dl=0
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> > Who is this? sounds horrible... very ticky-tacky playing of Mozart... reminded me of Kocsis?
> but kocsis would probably play it faster? Hmm... not saying it was Kocsis btw... but the playing is very ticky-tacky...

Kocsis would also probably add embellishments (? or how you call it).

No, it's probably not Anda... hmmmm... I don't know who it is... but probably he is worse than Anda or Kocsis... in anyway I think both Anda and Kocsis have a sort of ticky-tacky style of Mozart playing as well... Bashkirov too (from whom I got the "ticky-tacky" word btw).

Who is it? Lang Lang is more refined no?

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Marc S schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 16:50:09 UTC+2:
> Marc S schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 16:45:25 UTC+2:
> > Marc S schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 16:40:39 UTC+2:
> > > Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 12:51:57 UTC+2:
> > > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/aw42ne3yb59evzs/KV%20453.m4a?dl=0
> > >
> > > Who is this? sounds horrible... very ticky-tacky playing of Mozart... reminded me of Kocsis?
> > but kocsis would probably play it faster? Hmm... not saying it was Kocsis btw... but the playing is very ticky-tacky...
> Kocsis would also probably add embellishments (? or how you call it).
>
> No, it's probably not Anda... hmmmm... I don't know who it is... but probably he is worse than Anda or Kocsis... in anyway I think both Anda and Kocsis have a sort of ticky-tacky style of Mozart playing as well... Bashkirov too (from whom I got the "ticky-tacky" word btw).
>
> Who is it? Lang Lang is more refined no?

Ah... maybe Matsuev...

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Marc S schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 16:46:36 UTC+2:
> Marc S schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 16:45:25 UTC+2:
> > Marc S schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 16:40:39 UTC+2:
> > > Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 12:51:57 UTC+2:
> > > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/aw42ne3yb59evzs/KV%20453.m4a?dl=0
> > >
> > > Who is this? sounds horrible... very ticky-tacky playing of Mozart... reminded me of Kocsis?
> > but kocsis would probably play it faster? Hmm... not saying it was Kocsis btw... but the playing is very ticky-tacky...
> Oh it's Anda?

Certainly this was a stupid guess, couldn't have been the case just judging form the overall sound picture (does not sound like a later recording).

Anyway... Kocsis it is definitely not.

And and it's not Matsuev either.. just listened a bit more to his 17 on yt (thought it might have been a different upload or sth maybe)... anyway Matsuev is more refined (still heavy though) - couldn't be him.

Hmmmm... I don't think I know this pianist... but it's not good.

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Marc S schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 17:01:03 UTC+2:
> Marc S schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 16:50:09 UTC+2:
> > Marc S schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 16:45:25 UTC+2:
> > > Marc S schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 16:40:39 UTC+2:
> > > > Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 12:51:57 UTC+2:
> > > > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/aw42ne3yb59evzs/KV%20453.m4a?dl=0
> > > >
> > > > Who is this? sounds horrible... very ticky-tacky playing of Mozart.... reminded me of Kocsis?
> > > but kocsis would probably play it faster? Hmm... not saying it was Kocsis btw... but the playing is very ticky-tacky...
> > Kocsis would also probably add embellishments (? or how you call it).
> >
> > No, it's probably not Anda... hmmmm... I don't know who it is... but probably he is worse than Anda or Kocsis... in anyway I think both Anda and Kocsis have a sort of ticky-tacky style of Mozart playing as well... Bashkirov too (from whom I got the "ticky-tacky" word btw).
> >
> > Who is it? Lang Lang is more refined no?
> Ah... maybe Matsuev...

My guess about Kocsis and Anda was made in the dark (Anda's was especially stupid). Matsuev I thought of because of a link you recently shared, and then I just listend to like 5 secs of his playing (some random portion in the video) and tried to judge from his approach; it's not him after listening more.

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Marc S schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 16:50:09 UTC+2:
> Marc S schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 16:45:25 UTC+2:
> > Marc S schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 16:40:39 UTC+2:
> > > Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 12:51:57 UTC+2:
> > > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/aw42ne3yb59evzs/KV%20453.m4a?dl=0
> > >
> > > Who is this? sounds horrible... very ticky-tacky playing of Mozart... reminded me of Kocsis?
> > but kocsis would probably play it faster? Hmm... not saying it was Kocsis btw... but the playing is very ticky-tacky...
> Kocsis would also probably add embellishments (? or how you call it).

into orchestra*

>
> No, it's probably not Anda... hmmmm... I don't know who it is... but probably he is worse than Anda or Kocsis... in anyway I think both Anda and Kocsis have a sort of ticky-tacky style of Mozart playing as well... Bashkirov too (from whom I got the "ticky-tacky" word btw).
>
> Who is it? Lang Lang is more refined no?

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 by: Dan Koren - Mon, 22 May 2023 18:10 UTC

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 7:40:39 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 12:51:57 UTC+2:
> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/aw42ne3yb59evzs/KV%20453.m4a?dl=0
>
> Who is this? sounds horrible...

If you don't like it you don't need to know.

> very ticky-tacky playing of Mozart...

Lively, not "tacky".

> reminded me of Kocsis?

You need new ears.

dk

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 by: Marc S - Mon, 22 May 2023 18:24 UTC

Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 20:10:37 UTC+2:
> On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 7:40:39 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> > Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 12:51:57 UTC+2:
> > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/aw42ne3yb59evzs/KV%20453.m4a?dl=0
> >
> > Who is this? sounds horrible...
> If you don't like it you don't need to know.
> > very ticky-tacky playing of Mozart...
> Lively, not "tacky".

There seems to be a misunderstanding here, I just googled the translation of ticky-tacky.

Look at what Bashkirov says here at 1:44 about "ticky-tacky":

https://youtu.be/xcFbp-KAujQ?t=100

What I mean is, that this is a little too percussive/and also maybe staccato? for my taste; and if you can't hear that, you need new ears...

>
> > reminded me of Kocsis?
>
> You need new ears.

I actually think that my observation - if you would have gotten my point - is not far off. Seems as if you need new ears. Or maybe I need a new memory - haven't heard Kocsis in a while; but I'm still quite certain that my observation is not too wrong; in that they both have a fairly percussive approach to mozart.

>
> dk

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Marc S schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 20:25:00 UTC+2:
> Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 20:10:37 UTC+2:
> > On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 7:40:39 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> > > Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 12:51:57 UTC+2:
> > > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/aw42ne3yb59evzs/KV%20453.m4a?dl=0
> > >
> > > Who is this? sounds horrible...
> > If you don't like it you don't need to know.
> > > very ticky-tacky playing of Mozart...
> > Lively, not "tacky".
> There seems to be a misunderstanding here, I just googled the translation of ticky-tacky.
>
> Look at what Bashkirov says here at 1:44 about "ticky-tacky":
>
> https://youtu.be/xcFbp-KAujQ?t=100
>
> What I mean is, that this is a little too percussive/and also maybe staccato? for my taste; and if you can't hear that, you need new ears...
> >
> > > reminded me of Kocsis?
> >
> > You need new ears.
> I actually think that my observation - if you would have gotten my point - is not far off. Seems as if you need new ears. Or maybe I need a new memory - haven't heard Kocsis in a while; but I'm still quite certain that my observation is not too wrong; in that they both have a fairly percussive approach to mozart.
>
> >
> > dk

Bashkirov as opposed to Kocsis probably uses pedal more (in Mozart)... but they are both a bit percussive... and I think this goes for Anda as well in some cases at least... from what I remember... They don't have a nice touch... not like Schnabel for example; and Schnabel also uses legato more I think...

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 by: Marc S - Mon, 22 May 2023 18:32 UTC

Marc S schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 20:25:00 UTC+2:
> Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 20:10:37 UTC+2:
> > On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 7:40:39 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> > > Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 12:51:57 UTC+2:
> > > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/aw42ne3yb59evzs/KV%20453.m4a?dl=0
> > >
> > > Who is this? sounds horrible...
> > If you don't like it you don't need to know.
> > > very ticky-tacky playing of Mozart...
> > Lively, not "tacky".
> There seems to be a misunderstanding here, I just googled the translation of ticky-tacky.
>
> Look at what Bashkirov says here at 1:44 about "ticky-tacky":
>
> https://youtu.be/xcFbp-KAujQ?t=100
>
> What I mean is, that this is a little too percussive/and also maybe staccato? for my taste; and if you can't hear that, you need new ears...

and it seems to me that Bashkirov is sort of also referrign to a "clockwork" here... like clockwork-staccato-style or sth... "ticky-tacky"... anyway.... the touch of the pianist you posted is imo very ticky tacky... no smooth lines, just ticky tacky note pecking very often... okay... he tries to make lines like this, but it does not really work imo... just sounds very much like a gouda cheese with holes... you know...

> >
> > > reminded me of Kocsis?
> >
> > You need new ears.
> I actually think that my observation - if you would have gotten my point - is not far off. Seems as if you need new ears. Or maybe I need a new memory - haven't heard Kocsis in a while; but I'm still quite certain that my observation is not too wrong; in that they both have a fairly percussive approach to mozart.
>
> >
> > dk

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 by: Dan Koren - Mon, 22 May 2023 18:49 UTC

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 11:29:54 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> Marc S schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 20:25:00 UTC+2:
> >
> > I actually think that my observation - if you
> > would have gotten my point - is not far off.

Your "point" is entirely pointless.

> Seems as if you need new ears. Or maybe I need
> a new memory - haven't heard Kocsis in a while;
> but I'm still quite certain that my observation is
> not too wrong;

Your "observation" is irrelevant. There is room for
more than one intepretation of a work of music,
just as there is room for more than one way of
acting Hamlet. Get that Kantian imperative
"one and only" out of your head.

> in that they both have a fairly percussive
> approach to mozart.

This is the prevailing approach nowadays,
Kocsis or not.

> Bashkirov as opposed to Kocsis probably uses
> pedal more (in Mozart)... but they are both a bit
> percussive... and I think this goes for Anda as
> well in some cases at least... from what I remember...
> They don't have a nice touch...

"Nice touch" is great for massage.

dk

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Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 20:49:25 UTC+2:
> On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 11:29:54 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> > Marc S schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 20:25:00 UTC+2:
> > >
> > > I actually think that my observation - if you
> > > would have gotten my point - is not far off.
> Your "point" is entirely pointless.

Not really - at least if you don't like percussive Mozart.

> > Seems as if you need new ears. Or maybe I need
> > a new memory - haven't heard Kocsis in a while;
> > but I'm still quite certain that my observation is
> > not too wrong;
> Your "observation" is irrelevant. There is room for
> more than one intepretation of a work of music,
> just as there is room for more than one way of
> acting Hamlet. Get that Kantian imperative
> "one and only" out of your head.

Huh? What are you imagining again... Look, I never said that there is only one possible interpretation; but that there is one interpretation that I like most. Very simple, unfortunately not for monkeys like you...

> > in that they both have a fairly percussive
> > approach to mozart.
> This is the prevailing approach nowadays,
> Kocsis or not.

Well, I don't like it - it's harsh, very uncultured imo. Sokolov also has a similar style in 491 - but more cultured than what you posted imo.

> > Bashkirov as opposed to Kocsis probably uses
> > pedal more (in Mozart)... but they are both a bit
> > percussive... and I think this goes for Anda as
> > well in some cases at least... from what I remember...
> > They don't have a nice touch...
> "Nice touch" is great for massage.

Not for piano? We are not in an asian massage salon here... come to your senses, this is rmcr jt...

>
> dk

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Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 20:49:25 UTC+2:
> On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 11:29:54 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> > Marc S schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 20:25:00 UTC+2:
> > >
> > > I actually think that my observation - if you
> > > would have gotten my point - is not far off.
> Your "point" is entirely pointless.
> > Seems as if you need new ears. Or maybe I need
> > a new memory - haven't heard Kocsis in a while;
> > but I'm still quite certain that my observation is
> > not too wrong;
> Your "observation" is irrelevant. There is room for
> more than one intepretation of a work of music,
> just as there is room for more than one way of
> acting Hamlet. Get that Kantian imperative
> "one and only" out of your head.
> > in that they both have a fairly percussive
> > approach to mozart.
> This is the prevailing approach nowadays,

What do you prefer YES-style-Mozart or "ticky-tacky"-prevailing-approach-Mozart?

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On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 12:04:42 PM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 20:49:25 UTC+2:
> > On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 11:29:54 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> >
> > > in that they both have a fairly percussive
> > > approach to mozart.
> >
> > This is the prevailing approach nowadays,
>
> What do you prefer YES-style-Mozart or
> "ticky-tacky"-prevailing-approach-Mozart?

I don't follow any set rules. I prefer to hear
fresh souding improvisatory performances.
I know them when I hear them.

dk

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Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 22:12:29 UTC+2:
> On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 12:04:42 PM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> > Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 20:49:25 UTC+2:
> > > On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 11:29:54 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> > >
> > > > in that they both have a fairly percussive
> > > > approach to mozart.
> > >
> > > This is the prevailing approach nowadays,
> >
> > What do you prefer YES-style-Mozart or
> > "ticky-tacky"-prevailing-approach-Mozart?
> I don't follow any set rules.

Not even, say, that you shouldn't play Chopin on a harpsichord?

I don't follow "any" set of rules as well.

> I prefer to hear
> fresh souding improvisatory performances.

This is where we differ, I only like to hear Marc-S-approved-interpretations; ofc I can't know this beforehand.

> I know them when I hear them.

This goes for me as well.

>
> dk

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 by: Marc S - Mon, 22 May 2023 20:18 UTC

Marc S schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 22:15:21 UTC+2:
> Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 22:12:29 UTC+2:
> > On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 12:04:42 PM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> > > Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 20:49:25 UTC+2:
> > > > On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 11:29:54 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > in that they both have a fairly percussive
> > > > > approach to mozart.
> > > >
> > > > This is the prevailing approach nowadays,
> > >
> > > What do you prefer YES-style-Mozart or
> > > "ticky-tacky"-prevailing-approach-Mozart?
> > I don't follow any set rules.
> Not even, say, that you shouldn't play Chopin on a harpsichord?
>
> I don't follow "any" set of rules as well.
> > I prefer to hear
> > fresh souding improvisatory performances.
> This is where we differ, I only like to hear Marc-S-approved-interpretations; ofc I can't know this beforehand.

ah... I should hav eleft out the ofc I cant know this beforehand.

> > I know them when I hear them.
> This goes for me as well.
>
> >
> > dk

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 by: Pluted Pup - Mon, 22 May 2023 20:43 UTC

On Mon, 22 May 2023 11:10:33 -0700, Dan Koren wrote:

> On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 7:40:39???AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> > Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 12:51:57 UTC+2:
> > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/aw42ne3yb59evzs/KV%20453.m4a?dl=0
> >
> > Who is this? sounds horrible...
>
> If you don't like it you don't need to know.

Conclusion, this is Dan's guessing game trolling.
If he actually liked the recording he wouldn't keep
the name of the artist a secret.

>
> > very ticky-tacky playing of Mozart...
>
> Lively, not "tacky".
>
> > reminded me of Kocsis?
>
> You need new ears.
>
> dk

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 by: Dan Koren - Mon, 22 May 2023 23:16 UTC

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 1:15:21 PM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 22:12:29 UTC+2:
> > On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 12:04:42 PM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> > > Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 20:49:25 UTC+2:
> > > > On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 11:29:54 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > in that they both have a fairly percussive
> > > > > approach to mozart.
> > > >
> > > > This is the prevailing approach nowadays,
> > >
> > > What do you prefer YES-style-Mozart or
> > > "ticky-tacky"-prevailing-approach-Mozart?
> >
> > I don't follow any set rules.
>
> Not even, say, that you shouldn't
> play Chopin on a harpsichord?

I never claimed one "should not"
play something on harpsichords.

Only pluted imbeciles waste their
feeble brains thinking about what
others should or should not do. If
you like Chopin on harpsichords,
go for it.

dk

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 by: Marc S - Tue, 23 May 2023 05:31 UTC

Dan Koren schrieb am Dienstag, 23. Mai 2023 um 01:16:43 UTC+2:
> On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 1:15:21 PM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> > Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 22:12:29 UTC+2:
> > > On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 12:04:42 PM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> > > > Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 20:49:25 UTC+2:
> > > > > On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 11:29:54 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > in that they both have a fairly percussive
> > > > > > approach to mozart.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is the prevailing approach nowadays,
> > > >
> > > > What do you prefer YES-style-Mozart or
> > > > "ticky-tacky"-prevailing-approach-Mozart?
> > >
> > > I don't follow any set rules.
> >
> > Not even, say, that you shouldn't
> > play Chopin on a harpsichord?
> I never claimed one "should not"
> play something on harpsichords.

Well, I did not either... I was obviously speaking about you, jt... and as you have explained very often, you don't like Chopin played on a harpsichord, so obviously you are following a rule here... I did not mean to imply that you want others to follow this rule as well... that's just what your monkeybrain made out of it.

I know that this is already too late for you, but you really have to try to understand where other people are coming from... you really have problems reading the situation... typical of egocentrists...

>
> Only pluted imbeciles waste their
> feeble brains thinking about what
> others should or should not do. If

So why are you wasting your time thinking about what Netanyahu should or shouldn't do in Israel? You have no say in this matter.

Doublestandard Koren...

> you like Chopin on harpsichords,
> go for it.

Obviously, and if you want to be a self-hating Jew, you are allowed to be one as well - just don't hate on other Jews, they aren't responsible for you hating yourself, jt...

>
> dk

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On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 1:45:12 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
> On Mon, 22 May 2023 11:10:33 -0700, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 7:40:39???AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> > > Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 12:51:57 UTC+2:
> > > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/aw42ne3yb59evzs/KV%20453.m4a?dl=0
> > >
> > > Who is this? sounds horrible...
> >
> > If you don't like it you don't need to know.
> Conclusion, this is Dan's guessing game trolling.
> If he actually liked the recording he wouldn't keep
> the name of the artist a secret.

Well, I like it very much and have no issues with letting you know who it is...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he-uliwQARQ

"Ching-Yun Hu is a Taiwanese born classical pianist, winner of the 2008 Arthur Rubinstein International Piano Competition, Founder and Artistic Director Yun-Hsiang International Music Festival in Taipei and Winner of the 2012 Golden Melody Award for Best Classical Album." - Wikipedia

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 by: Dan Koren - Tue, 23 May 2023 23:47 UTC

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 10:27:14 AM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
> On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 1:45:12 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
> > On Mon, 22 May 2023 11:10:33 -0700, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 7:40:39???AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> > > > Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 12:51:57 UTC+2:
> > > > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/aw42ne3yb59evzs/KV%20453.m4a?dl=0
> > > >
> > > > Who is this? sounds horrible...
> > >
> > > If you don't like it you don't need to know.
> >
> > Conclusion, this is Dan's guessing game trolling.
> > If he actually liked the recording he wouldn't keep
> > the name of the artist a secret.
>
> Well, I like it very much and have no
> issues with letting you know who it is...
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he-uliwQARQ

Good ears! Yes, it is CYH. It is a quite
remarkable performance, very lively.
Many (most?) KV 453 traditional
readings tend to be less playful
and more "thoughtful". This one
is now very near the top of my
KV 453 short list. Meybe even
the top.

Did/does anyone notice the
gorgeous Fazioli sound?

dk

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 by: Marc S - Wed, 24 May 2023 22:00 UTC

Dan Koren schrieb am Mittwoch, 24. Mai 2023 um 01:47:29 UTC+2:
> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 10:27:14 AM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
> > On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 1:45:12 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
> > > On Mon, 22 May 2023 11:10:33 -0700, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > > On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 7:40:39???AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> > > > > Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 12:51:57 UTC+2:
> > > > > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/aw42ne3yb59evzs/KV%20453.m4a?dl=0
> > > > >
> > > > > Who is this? sounds horrible...
> > > >
> > > > If you don't like it you don't need to know.
> > >
> > > Conclusion, this is Dan's guessing game trolling.
> > > If he actually liked the recording he wouldn't keep
> > > the name of the artist a secret.
> >
> > Well, I like it very much and have no
> > issues with letting you know who it is...
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he-uliwQARQ
> Good ears! Yes, it is CYH. It is a quite
> remarkable performance, very lively.
> Many (most?) KV 453 traditional
> readings tend to be less playful
> and more "thoughtful". This one
> is now very near the top of my
> KV 453 short list. Meybe even
> the top.

Good for you.

>
> Did/does anyone notice the
> gorgeous Fazioli sound?

I didn't like the sound at all... but I didn't notice it; should have though, after listening to the ugly faziolis in the vid you recently posted...

*just talking about recorded faziolis; never heard one live, but generally it's just the case that pianos that sound good live, also sound good on record...
>
> dk

Just wanted to take the opportunity, to name the 'composers that I really need' again - because honestly, I think, I am becoming more and more sure: Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert and Brahms.

And I also realized: Lipatti is no good... imo... and Albern Berg Quartet neither... but Strub Quartet is very interesting...

Was also listening to some Rachmaninov again: All-Night Vigil and Symphony 2; beautiful works.

Most beautiful Bach- Sokolov:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ562YvwrFw

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