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From: mcc...@medieval.org (Todd M. McComb)
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Subject: Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms?
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 by: Todd M. McComb - Fri, 19 May 2023 15:50 UTC

In article <9984ef07-027c-4652-9277-365f530530a0n@googlegroups.com>,
Andy Evans <performanceandmedia@gmail.com> wrote:
>This will never stop because all three enjoy baiting ng members
>in some kind of weird sadistic sport.

It's really easy to filter out messages by particular posters, and
never see them. The group is much better without having to see
anything from DK, for instance -- and I've been tempted to filter
any replies to him too, but haven't yet.

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 by: Andy Evans - Fri, 19 May 2023 16:04 UTC

On Friday, 19 May 2023 at 16:52:30 UTC+1, Todd M. McComb wrote:
> In article <9984ef07-027c-4652...@googlegroups.com>,
> Andy Evans <performan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >This will never stop because all three enjoy baiting ng members
> >in some kind of weird sadistic sport.
> It's really easy to filter out messages by particular posters, and
> never see them. The group is much better without having to see
> anything from DK, for instance -- and I've been tempted to filter
> any replies to him too, but haven't yet.

How do mean "really easy"? I just use the usual ng interface. Are you talking about some other kind of software?

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Subject: Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms?
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 by: Todd M. McComb - Fri, 19 May 2023 16:06 UTC

In article <b3370eb3-c8ea-4f78-a0c2-15754052015en@googlegroups.com>,
Andy Evans <performanceandmedia@gmail.com> wrote:
>How do mean "really easy"? I just use the usual ng interface. Are
>you talking about some other kind of software?

I'm just using an ordinary newsreader, from close to 40 years ago.
I'd think they'd all have filters, but I guess I don't know details
for other random systems at this point....

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On 5/19/2023 12:04 PM, Andy Evans wrote:
> On Friday, 19 May 2023 at 16:52:30 UTC+1, Todd M. McComb wrote:
>> In article <9984ef07-027c-4652...@googlegroups.com>,
>> Andy Evans <performan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> This will never stop because all three enjoy baiting ng members
>>> in some kind of weird sadistic sport.
>> It's really easy to filter out messages by particular posters, and
>> never see them. The group is much better without having to see
>> anything from DK, for instance -- and I've been tempted to filter
>> any replies to him too, but haven't yet.
>
> How do mean "really easy"? I just use the usual ng interface. Are you talking about some other kind of software?

As discussed here many times, there is no "usual ng interface." I assume you mean google groups which is one way to access news groups. It's a primitive way, but free. "Other kind of software" means news readers. Yes they are software. I use Thunderbird which is free and easy to configure unless you have virtually no computer skills at all.

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 by: Andy Evans - Fri, 19 May 2023 16:16 UTC

On Friday, 19 May 2023 at 17:06:47 UTC+1, Todd M. McComb wrote:

> I'm just using an ordinary newsreader, from close to 40 years ago.
> I'd think they'd all have filters, but I guess I don't know details
> for other random systems at this point....

Thanks Todd. I don't even know what a "newsreader" is but I can look it up. Anything to get rid of Marc S would be a mercy.

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On Friday, 19 May 2023 at 17:14:30 UTC+1, Frank Berger wrote:
> As discussed here many times, there is no "usual ng interface." I assume you mean google groups which is one way to access news groups. It's a primitive way, but free. "Other kind of software" means news readers. Yes they are software. I use Thunderbird which is free and easy to configure unless you have virtually no computer skills at all.

Thanks Frank. Yes, I use google groups. I'll have to look at Thunderbird. It would be wonderful to be rid of Marc S and all his unending crap and just see music posts.

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 by: Marc S - Fri, 19 May 2023 16:33 UTC

Andy Evans schrieb am Freitag, 19. Mai 2023 um 18:26:57 UTC+2:
> On Friday, 19 May 2023 at 17:14:30 UTC+1, Frank Berger wrote:
> > As discussed here many times, there is no "usual ng interface." I assume you mean google groups which is one way to access news groups. It's a primitive way, but free. "Other kind of software" means news readers. Yes they are software. I use Thunderbird which is free and easy to configure unless you have virtually no computer skills at all.
> Thanks Frank. Yes, I use google groups. I'll have to look at Thunderbird. It would be wonderful to be rid of Marc S and all his unending crap and just see music posts.

I feel like Disaster Girl: https://static01.nyt.com/images/2021/04/30/multimedia/30xp-meme/29xp-meme-superJumbo-v3.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp

In case it doesnt work: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disaster_Girl

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 by: Graham - Fri, 19 May 2023 17:11 UTC

On 2023-05-19 10:26 a.m., Andy Evans wrote:
> On Friday, 19 May 2023 at 17:14:30 UTC+1, Frank Berger wrote:
>> As discussed here many times, there is no "usual ng interface." I assume you mean google groups which is one way to access news groups. It's a primitive way, but free. "Other kind of software" means news readers. Yes they are software. I use Thunderbird which is free and easy to configure unless you have virtually no computer skills at all.
>
> Thanks Frank. Yes, I use google groups. I'll have to look at Thunderbird. It would be wonderful to be rid of Marc S and all his unending crap and just see music posts.

Get Thunderbird. Not only can you kill-file MS but also threads that
don't interest you.

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 by: raymond....@gmail.co - Fri, 19 May 2023 23:56 UTC

On Saturday, 20 May 2023 at 02:16:03 UTC+10, Andy Evans wrote:
> On Friday, 19 May 2023 at 17:06:47 UTC+1, Todd M. McComb wrote:
>
> > I'm just using an ordinary newsreader, from close to 40 years ago.
> > I'd think they'd all have filters, but I guess I don't know details
> > for other random systems at this point....
> Thanks Todd. I don't even know what a "newsreader" is but I can look it up. Anything to get rid of Marc S would be a mercy.

They are still there regardless. I just ignore them or laugh or feel pity. Either way I pay no attention to trolls, and they don't rock my boat. They will however always fill up the ng bandwidth, and drive potentially interesting contributors away. That is the real problem.

Ray Hall, Taree

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 by: Al Eisner - Mon, 22 May 2023 05:51 UTC

On Thu, 18 May 2023, Andy Evans wrote:

> Just a reminder that this thread is about "Music later than Brahms"
>
> Please stick to the subject.

Andy, you must know better than to expect that.

Brahms of course died, so he can be referred to as "the late Brahms".
In that context, "later" does not make any sense.

Seriously, though, your topic is way way way too broad. If you want
to discuss a more specific topic, e.g., a particular composer or group
of composers, by all means bring it up. I for one may well find it
interesting. Just don't expect someone else to do it for you.
And the most prolific contributors would probably justt give you
youtube links. :)
--
Al Eisner

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 by: Al Eisner - Tue, 23 May 2023 01:25 UTC

On Fri, 19 May 2023, Andy Evans wrote:

> On Friday, 19 May 2023 at 17:06:47 UTC+1, Todd M. McComb wrote:
>
>> I'm just using an ordinary newsreader, from close to 40 years ago.
>> I'd think they'd all have filters, but I guess I don't know details
>> for other random systems at this point....
>
> Thanks Todd. I don't even know what a "newsreader" is but I can look it up. Anything to get rid of Marc S would be a mercy.

If you use a newsreader which allows you to see a full message index in
chronological order, rather than just by thread (there was a time when
google groups allowed this, and conceivably there is still a hidden
feature), then you don't even need a filter. Just skip over messages
from a poster you don't want to read. There are various ways to
accomplish the goal.
--
Al Eisner

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 by: Andy Evans - Tue, 23 May 2023 11:59 UTC

On Tuesday, 23 May 2023 at 02:28:05 UTC+1, Al Eisner wrote:
........ you don't even need a filter. Just skip over messages from a poster you don't want to read. There are various ways to accomplish the goal.
> -- > Al Eisner

That means skipping over most of the messages in the ng. But that's do-able.. In fact I'm doing it almost all the time now. Obviously MS, but also almost all the posts previous to the 20th century. That's a LOT of posts. I occasionally listen to Bach, Beethoven and Schubert but less and less often. Dvorak sometimes.

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 by: Todd M. McComb - Tue, 23 May 2023 18:07 UTC

In article <db192431-f722-4a83-99a5-d23f4631b40bn@googlegroups.com>,
Andy Evans <performanceandmedia@gmail.com> wrote:
>That means skipping over most of the messages in the ng. But that's
>do-able. In fact I'm doing it almost all the time now. Obviously
>MS, but also almost all the posts previous to the 20th century.
>That's a LOT of posts. I occasionally listen to Bach, Beethoven
>and Schubert but less and less often. Dvorak sometimes.

Most of the music posts aren't of direct interest to me. That's
just how it is. And the relatively small number of contributors
doesn't help finding things in common either....

But I don't think that's unusual, across various domains, unless
one has very popular tastes. It's just how conversations are. So
that's all fine with me. For decades now, I've generally skimmed
people's interests in various areas that aren't priorities for me,
but hey, it's music & taking a pulse so to speak....

The REST of the posts? That's the real garbage. Not only is it
OT, but people generally don't even know what they're talking about.
It's as if "going OT" means that someone can have zero standards,
and just say whatever nonsense comes to mind.... So yeah, uninteresting
music posts? I'll take those. A lot of people here know something
about music....

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