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* RIP...MELMOTH
+* Re: RIP...Andy Evans
|`* Re: RIP...Herman
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+* Re: RIP...HT
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||  |    |   |   | |   `- Re: RIP...raymond....@gmail.com
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||  |    |   |   +- Re: RIP...Marc S
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||  |    |   `- Re: RIP...Gerard
||  |    `* Re: RIP...Dan Koren
||  |     `- Re: RIP...Andrew Clarke
||  `* Re: RIP...Andy Evans
||   +* Re: RIP...Herman
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|`- Re: RIP...Mandryka
+- Re: RIP...Dan Koren
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Subject: Re: RIP...
From: marcs12...@gmail.com (Marc S)
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 by: Marc S - Wed, 24 May 2023 06:11 UTC

Marc S schrieb am Mittwoch, 24. Mai 2023 um 07:51:43 UTC+2:
> Andrew Clarke schrieb am Dienstag, 23. Mai 2023 um 15:17:57 UTC+2:
> > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 10:56:20 PM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > Andrew Clarke schrieb am Dienstag, 23. Mai 2023 um 13:53:33 UTC+2:
> > > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 4:44:22 PM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > > > Andrew Clarke schrieb am Dienstag, 23. Mai 2023 um 08:09:11 UTC+2:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 2:24:20 PM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > > > > > Andrew Clarke schrieb am Dienstag, 23. Mai 2023 um 04:10:37 UTC+2:
> > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 2:36:51 AM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Andrew Clarke schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 18:08:20 UTC+2:
> > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 2:01:50 AM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Wait until you discover how unfunny you are...
> > > > > > > > > > Let me reassure you, Marc, in the light of your previous strictures on the subject of usefulness, that I have never considered you either useful or, given your unique insights into the human condition, replaceable.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Andrew Clarke
> > > > > > > > > > Canberra
> > > > > > > > > You have said years ago already that Dave Hurwitz is of no use for you, all good, now carry on. As it seems though as if Dave Hurwitz is of use for you: To let out your suppressed feelings (say anger or we) on him every now and then. If he were of no use for you, you would not mention him. Plain and simple.
> > > > > > > > Even plainer and simpler might be to follow the discussion on Dave the Dude's reflections on Mr John Wilson's recent recording of Sergei Rachmaninoff's Symphony on YouTube.
> > > > > > > Don't delude yourself into thinking that you are actually able to follow the discussion, Andrew, it's plainly obvious you can't even follow your own thoughts.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Try to reflect a little on your idiocy.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I suppose we non-American goyim could comment sourly on The Davald's choice of a recent recording of Rach 2, in a different video, namely from an American orchestra (Detroit) with a Jewish American conductor (Leonard Slatkin, whose Ravel I greatly admire). But we won't because we don't entertain those kinds of conspiracy theories ...
> > > > > > > Are you demented or sth?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Andrew Clarke
> > > > > > > > Canberra
> > > > > > I am not sufficiently demented to attempt amateur psychoanalysis on someone located thousands of miles away, and whom I've never met.
> > > > > No, you are getting this wrong: To psychologically analyse the writings of others is not a sign of dementia, but just a reasonable thing to do - if you are not demented, but of clear mind that is, ofc.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is just a sign of dementia that you can't follow my thoughts.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Meanwhile, would you care to point out which bits of Dave the Dude's criticism and the comments thereon I have failed to understand?
> > > > > Sorry, Andrew the Ape, but I don't really care about this... What I would like to point out though is the following exchange of yours and Andy:
> > > > > Andrew Clarke schrieb am Sonntag, 21. Mai 2023 um 18:01:34 UTC+2:
> > > > > > On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 6:48:07 PM UTC+10, Andy Evans wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, 21 May 2023 at 06:19:12 UTC+1, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I can think of no warmer recommendation than damnation with faint praise from David Hurwitz.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Andrew Clarke > Canberra
> > > > > > > Dave is a complete media slut, but he's not stupid or uninformative. Like almost all reviewers, he can be taken in short doses with an open mind, and just used for anything useful he brings to the table. Nobody in their right minds takes reviewers as gospel.
> > > > > > If his mind were more open, he'd be considerably more useful.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andrew Clarke
> > > > > > Canberra
> > > > >
> > > > > Andrew the Ape, would you care to point out what is obviously wrong with this exchange? Maybe surprise me for once...
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andrew Clarke
> > > > > > Canberra
> > > > Andrew the Ape, eh? My goodness, that takes me back to my primary school days, all those years ago. But anyway, I don't see anything wrong with the above exchange whatsoever t.
> > >
> > > Well, just an idea, could this have to do sth with you being an ape?
> > Could it have anything to do with your being mentally still in 3rd grade?
> Now you are showing me the monkeyway of attempting psychoanalysis... very interesting, Andrew the Ape.
> > > >
> > > > Meanwhile, you don't care to refute my analysis of Dave and the BDFC's treatment of Mr Wilson's Rach 2. Tell it not in Gath, but is there a possibility that this is because you cannot?
> > > No. Wanna know why? Because this wasn't my point at all - no surprise you missed it completely...
> > I have to say that I am struggling to find any point at all, apart from my being unaccountably miserable and Dave the Dude being a mensch,
> That's because you - just as it is with monkeys - have a limited ability to reflect on yourself. No problem. You can be an idiot - that's allowed; just as it is allowed for Dan to be a self-hating Jew who uses his family that was murdered in the shoah to lend himself some credibility.

*to seemingly lend himself some credibility.

> > although we haven't got onto my blatant antisemitism yet, although it's only a matter of time.
> Oh God... what nonsense...
>
> >
> > Andrew Clarke
> > Canberra

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 by: Dan Koren - Wed, 24 May 2023 08:44 UTC

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 7:41:39 PM UTC-7, Andrew Clarke wrote:
>
> These days, psychology seems to be a branch of
> statistics and psychiatry a branch of pharmacology.

I am well aware. Thanks for reminding everyone else! ;-)

> So you don't get interesting stuff like penis envy
> and Oedipus complexes any more.

?!? I never found that stuff "interesting". I found it
very very silly.

> You have to read - or pretend to read - the French
> post-structuralist critics to get that sort of thing
> these days.

I did .... 8-(

dk

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Dan Koren schrieb am Mittwoch, 24. Mai 2023 um 10:44:27 UTC+2:
> > So you don't get interesting stuff like penis envy
> > and Oedipus complexes any more.
> ?!? I never found that stuff "interesting". I found it
> very very silly.

This is precisely the reaction of someone who has penis envy, but doesn't want to acknowledge it ;)

> > You have to read - or pretend to read - the French
> > post-structuralist critics to get that sort of thing
> > these days.
> I did .... 8-(

It does not help if you have nothing between your ears...

>
> dk

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Marc S schrieb am Mittwoch, 24. Mai 2023 um 11:18:47 UTC+2:
> Dan Koren schrieb am Mittwoch, 24. Mai 2023 um 10:44:27 UTC+2:
> > > So you don't get interesting stuff like penis envy
> > > and Oedipus complexes any more.
> > ?!? I never found that stuff "interesting". I found it
> > very very silly.
> This is precisely the reaction of someone who has penis envy, but doesn't want to acknowledge it ;)

*who suffers from penis envy

> > > You have to read - or pretend to read - the French
> > > post-structuralist critics to get that sort of thing
> > > these days.
> > I did .... 8-(
> It does not help if you have nothing between your ears...
>
> >
> > dk

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On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 3:51:43 PM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> Andrew Clarke schrieb am Dienstag, 23. Mai 2023 um 15:17:57 UTC+2:
> > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 10:56:20 PM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > Andrew Clarke schrieb am Dienstag, 23. Mai 2023 um 13:53:33 UTC+2:
> > > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 4:44:22 PM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > > > Andrew Clarke schrieb am Dienstag, 23. Mai 2023 um 08:09:11 UTC+2:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 2:24:20 PM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > > > > > Andrew Clarke schrieb am Dienstag, 23. Mai 2023 um 04:10:37 UTC+2:
> > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 2:36:51 AM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Andrew Clarke schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 18:08:20 UTC+2:
> > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 2:01:50 AM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Wait until you discover how unfunny you are...
> > > > > > > > > > Let me reassure you, Marc, in the light of your previous strictures on the subject of usefulness, that I have never considered you either useful or, given your unique insights into the human condition, replaceable.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Andrew Clarke
> > > > > > > > > > Canberra
> > > > > > > > > You have said years ago already that Dave Hurwitz is of no use for you, all good, now carry on. As it seems though as if Dave Hurwitz is of use for you: To let out your suppressed feelings (say anger or we) on him every now and then. If he were of no use for you, you would not mention him. Plain and simple.
> > > > > > > > Even plainer and simpler might be to follow the discussion on Dave the Dude's reflections on Mr John Wilson's recent recording of Sergei Rachmaninoff's Symphony on YouTube.
> > > > > > > Don't delude yourself into thinking that you are actually able to follow the discussion, Andrew, it's plainly obvious you can't even follow your own thoughts.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Try to reflect a little on your idiocy.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I suppose we non-American goyim could comment sourly on The Davald's choice of a recent recording of Rach 2, in a different video, namely from an American orchestra (Detroit) with a Jewish American conductor (Leonard Slatkin, whose Ravel I greatly admire). But we won't because we don't entertain those kinds of conspiracy theories ...
> > > > > > > Are you demented or sth?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Andrew Clarke
> > > > > > > > Canberra
> > > > > > I am not sufficiently demented to attempt amateur psychoanalysis on someone located thousands of miles away, and whom I've never met.
> > > > > No, you are getting this wrong: To psychologically analyse the writings of others is not a sign of dementia, but just a reasonable thing to do - if you are not demented, but of clear mind that is, ofc.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is just a sign of dementia that you can't follow my thoughts.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Meanwhile, would you care to point out which bits of Dave the Dude's criticism and the comments thereon I have failed to understand?
> > > > > Sorry, Andrew the Ape, but I don't really care about this... What I would like to point out though is the following exchange of yours and Andy:
> > > > > Andrew Clarke schrieb am Sonntag, 21. Mai 2023 um 18:01:34 UTC+2:
> > > > > > On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 6:48:07 PM UTC+10, Andy Evans wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, 21 May 2023 at 06:19:12 UTC+1, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I can think of no warmer recommendation than damnation with faint praise from David Hurwitz.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Andrew Clarke > Canberra
> > > > > > > Dave is a complete media slut, but he's not stupid or uninformative. Like almost all reviewers, he can be taken in short doses with an open mind, and just used for anything useful he brings to the table. Nobody in their right minds takes reviewers as gospel.
> > > > > > If his mind were more open, he'd be considerably more useful.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andrew Clarke
> > > > > > Canberra
> > > > >
> > > > > Andrew the Ape, would you care to point out what is obviously wrong with this exchange? Maybe surprise me for once...
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andrew Clarke
> > > > > > Canberra
> > > > Andrew the Ape, eh? My goodness, that takes me back to my primary school days, all those years ago. But anyway, I don't see anything wrong with the above exchange whatsoever t.
> > >
> > > Well, just an idea, could this have to do sth with you being an ape?
> > Could it have anything to do with your being mentally still in 3rd grade?
> Now you are showing me the monkeyway of attempting psychoanalysis... very interesting, Andrew the Ape.
> > > >
> > > > Meanwhile, you don't care to refute my analysis of Dave and the BDFC's treatment of Mr Wilson's Rach 2. Tell it not in Gath, but is there a possibility that this is because you cannot?
> > > No. Wanna know why? Because this wasn't my point at all - no surprise you missed it completely...
> > I have to say that I am struggling to find any point at all, apart from my being unaccountably miserable and Dave the Dude being a mensch,
> That's because you - just as it is with monkeys - have a limited ability to reflect on yourself. No problem. You can be an idiot - that's allowed; just as it is allowed for Dan to be a self-hating Jew who uses his family that was murdered in the shoah to lend himself some credibility.
> > although we haven't got onto my blatant antisemitism yet, although it's only a matter of time.
> Oh God... what nonsense...
>
> >
> > Andrew Clarke
> > Canberra

Here's a funny joke for you, Marc. It comes all the way from Germany:

Hans: Did you know, Heini, my grandfather died at Auschwitz?
Heini: Your grandfather died at Auschwitz? That's terrible!
Hans: Yes, he got drunk one night and fell out of the watch tower ...

Can I be an antisemite now?

Andrew Clarke
Canberra

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 by: Marc S - Wed, 24 May 2023 17:04 UTC

Andrew Clarke schrieb am Mittwoch, 24. Mai 2023 um 17:49:30 UTC+2:
> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 3:51:43 PM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > Andrew Clarke schrieb am Dienstag, 23. Mai 2023 um 15:17:57 UTC+2:
> > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 10:56:20 PM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > > Andrew Clarke schrieb am Dienstag, 23. Mai 2023 um 13:53:33 UTC+2:
> > > > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 4:44:22 PM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > > > > Andrew Clarke schrieb am Dienstag, 23. Mai 2023 um 08:09:11 UTC+2:
> > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 2:24:20 PM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > > > > > > Andrew Clarke schrieb am Dienstag, 23. Mai 2023 um 04:10:37 UTC+2:
> > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 2:36:51 AM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Andrew Clarke schrieb am Montag, 22. Mai 2023 um 18:08:20 UTC+2:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 2:01:50 AM UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Wait until you discover how unfunny you are...
> > > > > > > > > > > Let me reassure you, Marc, in the light of your previous strictures on the subject of usefulness, that I have never considered you either useful or, given your unique insights into the human condition, replaceable.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Andrew Clarke
> > > > > > > > > > > Canberra
> > > > > > > > > > You have said years ago already that Dave Hurwitz is of no use for you, all good, now carry on. As it seems though as if Dave Hurwitz is of use for you: To let out your suppressed feelings (say anger or we) on him every now and then. If he were of no use for you, you would not mention him. Plain and simple.
> > > > > > > > > Even plainer and simpler might be to follow the discussion on Dave the Dude's reflections on Mr John Wilson's recent recording of Sergei Rachmaninoff's Symphony on YouTube.
> > > > > > > > Don't delude yourself into thinking that you are actually able to follow the discussion, Andrew, it's plainly obvious you can't even follow your own thoughts.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Try to reflect a little on your idiocy.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I suppose we non-American goyim could comment sourly on The Davald's choice of a recent recording of Rach 2, in a different video, namely from an American orchestra (Detroit) with a Jewish American conductor (Leonard Slatkin, whose Ravel I greatly admire). But we won't because we don't entertain those kinds of conspiracy theories ...
> > > > > > > > Are you demented or sth?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Andrew Clarke
> > > > > > > > > Canberra
> > > > > > > I am not sufficiently demented to attempt amateur psychoanalysis on someone located thousands of miles away, and whom I've never met.
> > > > > > No, you are getting this wrong: To psychologically analyse the writings of others is not a sign of dementia, but just a reasonable thing to do - if you are not demented, but of clear mind that is, ofc.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is just a sign of dementia that you can't follow my thoughts..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Meanwhile, would you care to point out which bits of Dave the Dude's criticism and the comments thereon I have failed to understand?
> > > > > > Sorry, Andrew the Ape, but I don't really care about this... What I would like to point out though is the following exchange of yours and Andy:
> > > > > > Andrew Clarke schrieb am Sonntag, 21. Mai 2023 um 18:01:34 UTC+2:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 6:48:07 PM UTC+10, Andy Evans wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, 21 May 2023 at 06:19:12 UTC+1, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I can think of no warmer recommendation than damnation with faint praise from David Hurwitz.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Andrew Clarke > Canberra
> > > > > > > > Dave is a complete media slut, but he's not stupid or uninformative. Like almost all reviewers, he can be taken in short doses with an open mind, and just used for anything useful he brings to the table. Nobody in their right minds takes reviewers as gospel.
> > > > > > > If his mind were more open, he'd be considerably more useful.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Andrew Clarke
> > > > > > > Canberra
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andrew the Ape, would you care to point out what is obviously wrong with this exchange? Maybe surprise me for once...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Andrew Clarke
> > > > > > > Canberra
> > > > > Andrew the Ape, eh? My goodness, that takes me back to my primary school days, all those years ago. But anyway, I don't see anything wrong with the above exchange whatsoever t.
> > > >
> > > > Well, just an idea, could this have to do sth with you being an ape?
> > > Could it have anything to do with your being mentally still in 3rd grade?
> > Now you are showing me the monkeyway of attempting psychoanalysis... very interesting, Andrew the Ape.
> > > > >
> > > > > Meanwhile, you don't care to refute my analysis of Dave and the BDFC's treatment of Mr Wilson's Rach 2. Tell it not in Gath, but is there a possibility that this is because you cannot?
> > > > No. Wanna know why? Because this wasn't my point at all - no surprise you missed it completely...
> > > I have to say that I am struggling to find any point at all, apart from my being unaccountably miserable and Dave the Dude being a mensch,
> > That's because you - just as it is with monkeys - have a limited ability to reflect on yourself. No problem. You can be an idiot - that's allowed; just as it is allowed for Dan to be a self-hating Jew who uses his family that was murdered in the shoah to lend himself some credibility.
> > > although we haven't got onto my blatant antisemitism yet, although it's only a matter of time.
> > Oh God... what nonsense...
> >
> > >
> > > Andrew Clarke
> > > Canberra
> Here's a funny joke for you, Marc. It comes all the way from Germany:
>
> Hans: Did you know, Heini, my grandfather died at Auschwitz?

I know what's coming...

> Heini: Your grandfather died at Auschwitz? That's terrible!
> Hans: Yes, he got drunk one night and fell out of the watch tower ...

One of the most miserable jokes... Goes on to show that you have no taste....

Let me explain to you why this joke is very bad: It aims at making the ineffable bearable for the Germans (psychology + sociology). Now it's ofc reasonable for people in Auschwitz to have some kind of stupid humor - a humor we might consider tasteless - in order to survive the ineffable. But the Germans - the perpretators of all the atrocities - shouldn't be trying to suppress it all, by making stupid jokes and laughing about it in retrospect... But if you feel like laughing about it, and making stupid jokes about it - go on, be the monkey that you are.

And my favourite selfhating-Jew, Dan, who has lost relatives in the shoah, has nothing better to do, than making jokes with you - it's all so absurd ;D

>
> Can I be an antisemite now?

That's all up to you. Unfortunately though, as you don't seem to be able to think clearly in any regard... it doesn't seem to be up to you, but your monkey-reflexes.

>
> Andrew Clarke
> Canberra

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On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 2:18:47 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
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> It does not help if you have
> nothing between your ears...
>

"Nothing" is far better than
the stuff between yours.

dk

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 by: Marc S - Wed, 24 May 2023 22:13 UTC

Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 25. Mai 2023 um 00:02:41 UTC+2:
> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 2:18:47 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> >
> > It does not help if you have
> > nothing between your ears...
> >
> "Nothing" is far better than
> the stuff between yours.

Depends on the viewpoint, I guess.

What do you think about the following joke of Andrew btw:

Andrew Clarke schrieb am Mittwoch, 24. Mai 2023 um 17:49:30 UTC+2:
> Here's a funny joke for you, Marc. It comes all the way from Germany:
>
> Hans: Did you know, Heini, my grandfather died at Auschwitz?
> Heini: Your grandfather died at Auschwitz? That's terrible!
> Hans: Yes, he got drunk one night and fell out of the watch tower ...
>
> Can I be an antisemite now?
>
> Andrew Clarke
> Canberra

>
> dk

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 by: Marc S - Wed, 24 May 2023 22:34 UTC

Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 25. Mai 2023 um 00:02:41 UTC+2:
> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 2:18:47 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> >
> > It does not help if you have
> > nothing between your ears...
> >
> "Nothing" is far better than
> the stuff between yours.
>
> dk

Look, how this all turned out: Andrew proved my -diagnosis- of him being a miserable person right ;)

You missed out on Freud... you probably never read him; okay, maybe a few pages before your monkeybrain was going "?!?"

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On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 3:34:03 PM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
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> You missed out on Freud... you probably never read him;

I read all his works. I explained earlier why I had to do it. ;-)

dk

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 by: Dan Koren - Thu, 25 May 2023 00:18 UTC

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 7:41:39 PM UTC-7, Andrew Clarke wrote:
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> Australia is a country whose international
> image is the exact opposite to reality.

Just like most other countries.

> Yes, there are people who wear broad-rimmed
> hats and moleskins and live on cattle stations
> in the outback, a la Crocodile Dundee, but Australia
> is actually one of the most urbanised countries in
> the world.

I am well aware, used to travel there on business.
Killer 17+ hours flights to Sydney or Melbourne,
and my stingy employers were not willing to pay
for business class seats.

> Most of us live in the suburbs of the big state
> capitals: Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide
> and Perth, with rather fewer living in Hobart.

Big is relative, especially when compared to tier
2 China cities. Tier 1 is obviously off the scale.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_city_tier_system

As to living in the suburbs of reasonably sized
cities, how is that different from Canada or the
US?

> Canberra is Australia's largest inland city,

It calls itself a "city"? ;-)

> with a population of about 400,000.

See? Just what I had thought! ;-)

> So buses run around the suburbs of Australia,

'cause there's nothing else to do? ;-)

> just like they run around the suburbs of NYC or
> Chicago or LA

I hope they run better than that.

> except there's much less chance of getting shot.

One can always shoot back.

> For tram enthusiasts, there's a very extensive
> network in Melbourne.

I am well aware. I tried it. Very confusing.

dk

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On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 5:18:27 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 7:41:39 PM UTC-7, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> >
> > For tram enthusiasts, there's a very
> > extensive network in Melbourne.
>
> I am well aware. I tried it.
> Very confusing.

BTW the most compelling
reasons to visit Australia
are the food and the wine.

dk

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On 2023-05-24 6:22 p.m., Dan Koren wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 5:18:27 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
>> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 7:41:39 PM UTC-7, Andrew Clarke wrote:
>>>
>>> For tram enthusiasts, there's a very
>>> extensive network in Melbourne.
>>
>> I am well aware. I tried it.
>> Very confusing.
>
> BTW the most compelling
> reasons to visit Australia
> are the food and the wine.
>
> dk
Are there any other reasons? :-)

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 by: Graham - Thu, 25 May 2023 01:03 UTC

On 2023-05-24 7:01 p.m., Graham wrote:
> On 2023-05-24 6:22 p.m., Dan Koren wrote:
>> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 5:18:27 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 7:41:39 PM UTC-7, Andrew Clarke wrote:
>>>>
>>>> For tram enthusiasts, there's a very
>>>> extensive network in Melbourne.
>>>
>>> I am well aware. I tried it.
>>> Very confusing.
>>
>> BTW the most compelling
>> reasons to visit Australia
>> are the food and the wine.
>>
>> dk
> Are there any other reasons? :-)
I meant should there be any other reasons?

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 by: Dan Koren - Thu, 25 May 2023 01:44 UTC

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 6:01:15 PM UTC-7, Graham wrote:
> On 2023-05-24 6:22 p.m., Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 5:18:27 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 7:41:39 PM UTC-7, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> >>>
> >>> For tram enthusiasts, there's a very
> >>> extensive network in Melbourne.
> >>
> >> I am well aware. I tried it.
> >> Very confusing.
> >
> > BTW the most compelling
> > reasons to visit Australia
> > are the food and the wine.
>
> Are there any other reasons? :-)

Not enough to justify 17+ hour
flights.

dk

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 by: Dan Koren - Thu, 25 May 2023 01:45 UTC

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 6:03:33 PM UTC-7, Graham wrote:
> On 2023-05-24 7:01 p.m., Graham wrote:
> > On 2023-05-24 6:22 p.m., Dan Koren wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 5:18:27 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 7:41:39 PM UTC-7, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> For tram enthusiasts, there's a very
> >>>> extensive network in Melbourne.
> >>>
> >>> I am well aware. I tried it.
> >>> Very confusing.
> >>
> >> BTW the most compelling
> >> reasons to visit Australia
> >> are the food and the wine.
> >
> > Are there any other reasons? :-)
>
> I meant should there be any other reasons?

Andrew is better qualified to
answer such questions than
your truly.

dk

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 by: Marc S - Thu, 25 May 2023 05:19 UTC

Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 25. Mai 2023 um 02:08:06 UTC+2:
> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 3:34:03 PM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> >
> > You missed out on Freud... you probably never read him;
> I read all his works.

Yes, yes, go on continue shamelessly lying, just like you shamelessly used your relatives that were murdered in the shoah to seemingly lend yourself some credibility.

> I explained earlier why I had to do it. ;-)

Repeating your lies doesn't make them true ;)

>
> dk

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 by: Andrew Clarke - Thu, 25 May 2023 11:48 UTC

On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 11:45:32 AM UTC+10, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 6:03:33 PM UTC-7, Graham wrote:
> > On 2023-05-24 7:01 p.m., Graham wrote:
> > > On 2023-05-24 6:22 p.m., Dan Koren wrote:
> > >> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 5:18:27 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > >>> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 7:41:39 PM UTC-7, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> For tram enthusiasts, there's a very
> > >>>> extensive network in Melbourne.
> > >>>
> > >>> I am well aware. I tried it.
> > >>> Very confusing.
> > >>
> > >> BTW the most compelling
> > >> reasons to visit Australia
> > >> are the food and the wine.
> > >
> > > Are there any other reasons? :-)
> >
> > I meant should there be any other reasons?
> Andrew is better qualified to
> answer such questions than
> your truly.
>
> dk

To coin a phrase, it's a nice place to live, but I wouldn't want to visit here ... People from Europe come here for the beaches and the warm climate, but it's expensive to get to, and distances within the country are enormous.. Food and drink have benefitted from the enormous immigrant population, so it isn't just steak and chips anymore. And it's generally safe.

Andrew Clarke
Canberra

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 by: Andrew Clarke - Thu, 25 May 2023 12:04 UTC

On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 10:18:27 AM UTC+10, Dan Koren wrote:
> As to living in the suburbs of reasonably sized
> cities, how is that different from Canada or the
> US?

Well, a lot of people are used to Western Europe where there's a village every two miles or so, and a reasonably sized town ever seven or eight.

> > Canberra is Australia's largest inland city,
> It calls itself a "city"? ;-)
> > with a population of about 400,000.
> See? Just what I had thought! ;-)

A city in this country is anywhere with a population of over 100,000. This includes suburban municipalities. It does not include what they call a city in East Texas or the Mississippi Delta, which is just about anywhere with a fire department and a Dollar General store.

> > So buses run around the suburbs of Australia,
> 'cause there's nothing else to do? ;-)

We make our own entertainment in Australia.
s > > just like they run around the suburbs of NYC or
> > Chicago or LA
> I hope they run better than that.
> > except there's much less chance of getting shot.
> One can always shoot back.
> > For tram enthusiasts, there's a very extensive
> > network in Melbourne.
> I am well aware. I tried it. Very confusing.

You were expecting Preston to be in Lancashire and Malvern to be in Worcestershire? It was originally a cable system like SFs and the last cable trams ran until the 1940s.

Andrew Clarke
Canberra

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On 2023-05-25 5:48 a.m., Andrew Clarke wrote:
> On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 11:45:32 AM UTC+10, Dan Koren wrote:
>> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 6:03:33 PM UTC-7, Graham wrote:
>>> On 2023-05-24 7:01 p.m., Graham wrote:
>>>> On 2023-05-24 6:22 p.m., Dan Koren wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 5:18:27 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 7:41:39 PM UTC-7, Andrew Clarke wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For tram enthusiasts, there's a very
>>>>>>> extensive network in Melbourne.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am well aware. I tried it.
>>>>>> Very confusing.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW the most compelling
>>>>> reasons to visit Australia
>>>>> are the food and the wine.
>>>>
>>>> Are there any other reasons? :-)
>>>
>>> I meant should there be any other reasons?
>> Andrew is better qualified to
>> answer such questions than
>> your truly.
>>
>> dk
>
> To coin a phrase, it's a nice place to live, but I wouldn't want to visit here ... People from Europe come here for the beaches and the warm climate, but it's expensive to get to, and distances within the country are enormous. Food and drink have benefitted from the enormous immigrant population, so it isn't just steak and chips anymore. And it's generally safe.
>
> Andrew Clarke
> Canberra

and clean!
When I lived in Perth in the early 70s there was a slogan: "Don't
rubbish Australia."
During my recent visit (Feb-March) I noticed that there was no litter
so that slogan must have been successful.

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On 2023-05-24 6:18 p.m., Dan Koren wrote:

>
>> For tram enthusiasts, there's a very extensive
>> network in Melbourne.
>
> I am well aware. I tried it. Very confusing.
>
> dk
>
For you, perhaps!

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 by: Andrew Clarke - Thu, 25 May 2023 13:53 UTC

On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 11:29:34 PM UTC+10, Graham wrote:
> On 2023-05-25 5:48 a.m., Andrew Clarke wrote:
> > On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 11:45:32 AM UTC+10, Dan Koren wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 6:03:33 PM UTC-7, Graham wrote:
> >>> On 2023-05-24 7:01 p.m., Graham wrote:
> >>>> On 2023-05-24 6:22 p.m., Dan Koren wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 5:18:27 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> >>>>>> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 7:41:39 PM UTC-7, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> For tram enthusiasts, there's a very
> >>>>>>> extensive network in Melbourne.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am well aware. I tried it.
> >>>>>> Very confusing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> BTW the most compelling
> >>>>> reasons to visit Australia
> >>>>> are the food and the wine.
> >>>>
> >>>> Are there any other reasons? :-)
> >>>
> >>> I meant should there be any other reasons?
> >> Andrew is better qualified to
> >> answer such questions than
> >> your truly.
> >>
> >> dk
> >
> > To coin a phrase, it's a nice place to live, but I wouldn't want to visit here ... People from Europe come here for the beaches and the warm climate, but it's expensive to get to, and distances within the country are enormous. Food and drink have benefitted from the enormous immigrant population, so it isn't just steak and chips anymore. And it's generally safe.
> >
> > Andrew Clarke
> > Canberra
> and clean!
> When I lived in Perth in the early 70s there was a slogan: "Don't
> rubbish Australia."
> During my recent visit (Feb-March) I noticed that there was no litter
> so that slogan must have been successful.

If you accidentally drop a bit of paper onto the footpath from your wallet - if Dan ever opens his - or your pocket, somebody is likely to pick it up and rather pointedly give it back to you ... Littering is almost as big a solecism as an unmown lawn!

Andrew Clarke
Canberra

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 by: Andrew Clarke - Thu, 25 May 2023 20:42 UTC

On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 11:29:34 PM UTC+10, Graham wrote:
> On 2023-05-25 5:48 a.m., Andrew Clarke wrote:
> > On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 11:45:32 AM UTC+10, Dan Koren wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 6:03:33 PM UTC-7, Graham wrote:
> >>> On 2023-05-24 7:01 p.m., Graham wrote:
> >>>> On 2023-05-24 6:22 p.m., Dan Koren wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 5:18:27 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> >>>>>> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 7:41:39 PM UTC-7, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> For tram enthusiasts, there's a very
> >>>>>>> extensive network in Melbourne.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am well aware. I tried it.
> >>>>>> Very confusing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> BTW the most compelling
> >>>>> reasons to visit Australia
> >>>>> are the food and the wine.
> >>>>
> >>>> Are there any other reasons? :-)
> >>>
> >>> I meant should there be any other reasons?
> >> Andrew is better qualified to
> >> answer such questions than
> >> your truly.
> >>
> >> dk
> >
> > To coin a phrase, it's a nice place to live, but I wouldn't want to visit here ... People from Europe come here for the beaches and the warm climate, but it's expensive to get to, and distances within the country are enormous. Food and drink have benefitted from the enormous immigrant population, so it isn't just steak and chips anymore. And it's generally safe.
> >
> > Andrew Clarke
> > Canberra
> and clean!
> When I lived in Perth in the early 70s there was a slogan: "Don't
> rubbish Australia."
> During my recent visit (Feb-March) I noticed that there was no litter
> so that slogan must have been successful.

Another advantage is that you are unlikely to run into Desperate Dan because he's still stuck on a Melbourne tram trying to work out how - and where - to get off ... ;-)

Andrew Clarke
Canberra

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On 2023-05-25 2:42 p.m., Andrew Clarke wrote:
> On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 11:29:34 PM UTC+10, Graham wrote:
>> On 2023-05-25 5:48 a.m., Andrew Clarke wrote:
>>> On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 11:45:32 AM UTC+10, Dan Koren wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 6:03:33 PM UTC-7, Graham wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-05-24 7:01 p.m., Graham wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-05-24 6:22 p.m., Dan Koren wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 5:18:27 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 7:41:39 PM UTC-7, Andrew Clarke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For tram enthusiasts, there's a very
>>>>>>>>> extensive network in Melbourne.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am well aware. I tried it.
>>>>>>>> Very confusing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW the most compelling
>>>>>>> reasons to visit Australia
>>>>>>> are the food and the wine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are there any other reasons? :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I meant should there be any other reasons?
>>>> Andrew is better qualified to
>>>> answer such questions than
>>>> your truly.
>>>>
>>>> dk
>>>
>>> To coin a phrase, it's a nice place to live, but I wouldn't want to visit here ... People from Europe come here for the beaches and the warm climate, but it's expensive to get to, and distances within the country are enormous. Food and drink have benefitted from the enormous immigrant population, so it isn't just steak and chips anymore. And it's generally safe.
>>>
>>> Andrew Clarke
>>> Canberra
>> and clean!
>> When I lived in Perth in the early 70s there was a slogan: "Don't
>> rubbish Australia."
>> During my recent visit (Feb-March) I noticed that there was no litter
>> so that slogan must have been successful.
>
> Another advantage is that you are unlikely to run into Desperate Dan because he's still stuck on a Melbourne tram trying to work out how - and where - to get off ... ;-)
>
> Andrew Clarke
> Canberra
I used them a lot during my recent visit and 4 years ago. The system is
very easy to fathom out and use.

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 by: raymond....@gmail.co - Thu, 25 May 2023 22:51 UTC

On Friday, 26 May 2023 at 06:42:38 UTC+10, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 11:29:34 PM UTC+10, Graham wrote:
> > On 2023-05-25 5:48 a.m., Andrew Clarke wrote:
> > > On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 11:45:32 AM UTC+10, Dan Koren wrote:
> > >> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 6:03:33 PM UTC-7, Graham wrote:
> > >>> On 2023-05-24 7:01 p.m., Graham wrote:
> > >>>> On 2023-05-24 6:22 p.m., Dan Koren wrote:
> > >>>>> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 5:18:27 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > >>>>>> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 7:41:39 PM UTC-7, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> For tram enthusiasts, there's a very
> > >>>>>>> extensive network in Melbourne.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I am well aware. I tried it.
> > >>>>>> Very confusing.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> BTW the most compelling
> > >>>>> reasons to visit Australia
> > >>>>> are the food and the wine.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Are there any other reasons? :-)
> > >>>
> > >>> I meant should there be any other reasons?
> > >> Andrew is better qualified to
> > >> answer such questions than
> > >> your truly.
> > >>
> > >> dk
> > >
> > > To coin a phrase, it's a nice place to live, but I wouldn't want to visit here ... People from Europe come here for the beaches and the warm climate, but it's expensive to get to, and distances within the country are enormous. Food and drink have benefitted from the enormous immigrant population, so it isn't just steak and chips anymore. And it's generally safe.
> > >
> > > Andrew Clarke
> > > Canberra
> > and clean!
> > When I lived in Perth in the early 70s there was a slogan: "Don't
> > rubbish Australia."
> > During my recent visit (Feb-March) I noticed that there was no litter
> > so that slogan must have been successful.
> Another advantage is that you are unlikely to run into Desperate Dan because he's still stuck on a Melbourne tram trying to work out how - and where - to get off ... ;-)
>
> Andrew Clarke
> Canberra

The trams aren't confusing. It is when you are driving a car that the trams become confusing.

Ray Hall, Taree

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