On Tuesday, September 2, 2014 at 7:29:09 PM UTC+1, William Sommerwerck wrote:
> Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
> > I thought there was some Glenn Miller material too. Weren't there
> > some parts of the soundtrack for "Orchestra Wives" (1942) that were
> > issued in stereo on the Laserdisc release?
> Ditto for "Sun Valley Serenade", and even parts of "Wizard of Oz". These were
> made on the seven-track RCA optical recorder (as was "Fantasia"). If the
> original stems are available, they can be mixed to create a kind of swimmy
> stereo.

Apologies for resurrecting this thread from nine years ago but more "accidental stereo" has meanwhile popped up on YouTube. It includes the 1930 Koussevitsky / Boston Ravel "Bolero" where the last two sides of three are in "accidental stereo," as transferred by Mark Obert-Thorn, and very striking they sound too! ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNRgU3rWwIE

On 5/24/23 12:29 PM, Kerrison wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 2, 2014 at 7:29:09 PM UTC+1, William
> Sommerwerck wrote:
>> Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
>>> I thought there was some Glenn Miller material too. Weren't
>>> there some parts of the soundtrack for "Orchestra Wives" (1942)
>>> that were issued in stereo on the Laserdisc release?
>> Ditto for "Sun Valley Serenade", and even parts of "Wizard of Oz".
>> These were made on the seven-track RCA optical recorder (as was
>> "Fantasia"). If the original stems are available, they can be mixed
>> to create a kind of swimmy stereo.

> Apologies for resurrecting this thread from nine years ago but more
> "accidental stereo" has meanwhile popped up on YouTube. It includes
> the 1930 Koussevitsky / Boston Ravel "Bolero" where the last two
> sides of three are in "accidental stereo," as transferred by Mark
> Obert-Thorn, and very striking they sound too! ...
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNRgU3rWwIE

That's something! I assume there's a lot of eq processing. The surface
noise swish reminds me of low bit rate streaming these days.

Thanks!

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 11:15:43 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
> On 5/24/23 12:29 PM, Kerrison wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 2, 2014 at 7:29:09 PM UTC+1, William
> > Sommerwerck wrote:
> >> Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
> >>> I thought there was some Glenn Miller material too. Weren't
> >>> there some parts of the soundtrack for "Orchestra Wives" (1942)
> >>> that were issued in stereo on the Laserdisc release?
> >> Ditto for "Sun Valley Serenade", and even parts of "Wizard of Oz".
> >> These were made on the seven-track RCA optical recorder (as was
> >> "Fantasia"). If the original stems are available, they can be mixed
> >> to create a kind of swimmy stereo.
>
> > Apologies for resurrecting this thread from nine years ago but more
> > "accidental stereo" has meanwhile popped up on YouTube. It includes
> > the 1930 Koussevitsky / Boston Ravel "Bolero" where the last two
> > sides of three are in "accidental stereo," as transferred by Mark
> > Obert-Thorn, and very striking they sound too! ...
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNRgU3rWwIE
> That's something! I assume there's a lot of eq processing. The surface
> noise swish reminds me of low bit rate streaming these days.
>
> Thanks!

Anyone mention a couple Duke Ellington 'fake' stereo tracks from early 30's? One is on a
Bluebird's Best reissue - Jazz Caravan. About eight minutes and a medly that smokes. In addition another
track which may be only available on the Ellington Centennial set

On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 5:29:34 AM UTC+1, Music Lover wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 11:15:43 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
> > On 5/24/23 12:29 PM, Kerrison wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, September 2, 2014 at 7:29:09 PM UTC+1, William
> > > Sommerwerck wrote:
> > >> Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
> > >>> I thought there was some Glenn Miller material too. Weren't
> > >>> there some parts of the soundtrack for "Orchestra Wives" (1942)
> > >>> that were issued in stereo on the Laserdisc release?
> > >> Ditto for "Sun Valley Serenade", and even parts of "Wizard of Oz".
> > >> These were made on the seven-track RCA optical recorder (as was
> > >> "Fantasia"). If the original stems are available, they can be mixed
> > >> to create a kind of swimmy stereo.
> >
> > > Apologies for resurrecting this thread from nine years ago but more
> > > "accidental stereo" has meanwhile popped up on YouTube. It includes
> > > the 1930 Koussevitsky / Boston Ravel "Bolero" where the last two
> > > sides of three are in "accidental stereo," as transferred by Mark
> > > Obert-Thorn, and very striking they sound too! ...
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNRgU3rWwIE
> > That's something! I assume there's a lot of eq processing. The surface
> > noise swish reminds me of low bit rate streaming these days.
> >
> > Thanks!
> Anyone mention a couple Duke Ellington 'fake' stereo tracks from early 30's? One is on a
> Bluebird's Best reissue - Jazz Caravan. About eight minutes and a medly that smokes. In addition another
> track which may be only available on the Ellington Centennial set

Here is a Duke Ellington number entitled "Black and Tan Fantasy" which is captioned "1932 Stereo Sound" ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGt9uXmTd8A

However, there are the usual contrary opinions about the "stereo" in the comments underneath, though it was clearly "accidental" and never "intentional"!

On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 8:00:30 AM UTC+1, Kerrison wrote:
> On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 5:29:34 AM UTC+1, Music Lover wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 11:15:43 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
> > > On 5/24/23 12:29 PM, Kerrison wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, September 2, 2014 at 7:29:09 PM UTC+1, William
> > > > Sommerwerck wrote:
> > > >> Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
> > > >>> I thought there was some Glenn Miller material too. Weren't
> > > >>> there some parts of the soundtrack for "Orchestra Wives" (1942)
> > > >>> that were issued in stereo on the Laserdisc release?
> > > >> Ditto for "Sun Valley Serenade", and even parts of "Wizard of Oz".
> > > >> These were made on the seven-track RCA optical recorder (as was
> > > >> "Fantasia"). If the original stems are available, they can be mixed
> > > >> to create a kind of swimmy stereo.
> > >
> > > > Apologies for resurrecting this thread from nine years ago but more
> > > > "accidental stereo" has meanwhile popped up on YouTube. It includes
> > > > the 1930 Koussevitsky / Boston Ravel "Bolero" where the last two
> > > > sides of three are in "accidental stereo," as transferred by Mark
> > > > Obert-Thorn, and very striking they sound too! ...
> > > >
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNRgU3rWwIE
> > > That's something! I assume there's a lot of eq processing. The surface
> > > noise swish reminds me of low bit rate streaming these days.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > Anyone mention a couple Duke Ellington 'fake' stereo tracks from early 30's? One is on a
> > Bluebird's Best reissue - Jazz Caravan. About eight minutes and a medly that smokes. In addition another
> > track which may be only available on the Ellington Centennial set
> Here is a Duke Ellington number entitled "Black and Tan Fantasy" which is captioned "1932 Stereo Sound" ...
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGt9uXmTd8A
>
> However, there are the usual contrary opinions about the "stereo" in the comments underneath, though it was clearly "accidental" and never "intentional"!

Still with Duke Ellington but in "Living Stereo" not "Accidental Stereo"! .... Here is a favourite of mine, Morton Gould's arrangement of "Caravan" recorded in 1955 ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI7WwXcMv_0

> > > > > Apologies for resurrecting this thread from nine years ago but more
> > > > > "accidental stereo" has meanwhile popped up on YouTube. It includes
> > > > > the 1930 Koussevitsky / Boston Ravel "Bolero" where the last two
> > > > > sides of three are in "accidental stereo," as transferred by Mark
> > > > > Obert-Thorn, and very striking they sound too! ...
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNRgU3rWwIE
> > > > That's something! I assume there's a lot of eq processing. The surface
> > > > noise swish reminds me of low bit rate streaming these days.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > Anyone mention a couple Duke Ellington 'fake' stereo tracks from early 30's? One is on a
> > > Bluebird's Best reissue - Jazz Caravan. About eight minutes and a medly that smokes. In addition another
> > > track which may be only available on the Ellington Centennial set
> > Here is a Duke Ellington number entitled "Black and Tan Fantasy" which is captioned "1932 Stereo Sound" ...
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGt9uXmTd8A
> >

If those Bell Labs stereo experiments in 1932 with the Philadelphia Orchestra had been developed commercially we might have had stereo recordings 20 years earlier than was the case. On the other hand, the Great Depression put paid to the early LPs that Victor issued during the same period, so the same could well have happened to early stereo. Anyway, the Bell experiments just consisted of recording bits of performances given over two days, in both mono and stereo, so the released results on a couple of limited edition Bell LPs show quite a few obvious joins. Still, the basic sound is quite remarkable for 1932 ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWWuYzPP3ys&t=358s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQMZY488Oyc