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https://youtu.be/DbPKJlHaDv0

Evgeny Kissin

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Dan Koren schrieb am Samstag, 6. Mai 2023 um 12:36:07 UTC+2:
> https://youtu.be/DbPKJlHaDv0
>
> Evgeny Kissin

No, it sucks... just listened a bit into the second movement... and... listen to what is happening at minute 24:43-44

https://youtu.be/DbPKJlHaDv0?t=1480

He pretty much fucks sth up here...

Anyway Gelber is still the best; and this version sucks - not just because of what I mentioned above...

I actually got a sealed copy of Gelber's Brahms PC 1 (with Decker - EMI) for 5 Euros + 3 Euro shipment on amazon.de ca. a month ago.

This one: https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Gelber/dp/B000A69RNA/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1HJVAGS80MU5K&keywords=brahms+decker+gelber&qid=1684566524&s=music&sprefix=brahms+decker+gelber%2Cpopular%2C91&sr=1-4

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Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 20. Mai 2023 um 09:10:59 UTC+2:
> Dan Koren schrieb am Samstag, 6. Mai 2023 um 12:36:07 UTC+2:
> > https://youtu.be/DbPKJlHaDv0
> >
> > Evgeny Kissin
>
> No, it sucks... just listened a bit into the second movement... and... listen to what is happening at minute 24:43-44
>
> https://youtu.be/DbPKJlHaDv0?t=1480
>
> He pretty much fucks sth up here...

i don't know, maybe it's on purpose, but it doesn't work...

>
> Anyway Gelber is still the best; and this version sucks - not just because of what I mentioned above...
>
> I actually got a sealed copy of Gelber's Brahms PC 1 (with Decker - EMI) for 5 Euros + 3 Euro shipment on amazon.de ca. a month ago.
>
> This one: https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Gelber/dp/B000A69RNA/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1HJVAGS80MU5K&keywords=brahms+decker+gelber&qid=1684566524&s=music&sprefix=brahms+decker+gelber%2Cpopular%2C91&sr=1-4

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On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 3:10:59 AM UTC-4, Marc S wrote:
> Dan Koren schrieb am Samstag, 6. Mai 2023 um 12:36:07 UTC+2:
> > https://youtu.be/DbPKJlHaDv0
> >
> > Evgeny Kissin
>
> No, it sucks... just listened a bit into the second movement... and... listen to what is happening at minute 24:43-44
>
> https://youtu.be/DbPKJlHaDv0?t=1480
>
> He pretty much fucks sth up here...
>
> Anyway Gelber is still the best; and this version sucks - not just because of what I mentioned above...
>
> I actually got a sealed copy of Gelber's Brahms PC 1 (with Decker - EMI) for 5 Euros + 3 Euro shipment on amazon.de ca. a month ago.
>
> This one: https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Gelber/dp/B000A69RNA/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1HJVAGS80MU5K&keywords=brahms+decker+gelber&qid=1684566524&s=music&sprefix=brahms+decker+gelber%2Cpopular%2C91&sr=1-4

have the Gelber, yes great

AB

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AB schrieb am Samstag, 20. Mai 2023 um 19:31:34 UTC+2:
> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 3:10:59 AM UTC-4, Marc S wrote:
> > Dan Koren schrieb am Samstag, 6. Mai 2023 um 12:36:07 UTC+2:
> > > https://youtu.be/DbPKJlHaDv0
> > >
> > > Evgeny Kissin
> >
> > No, it sucks... just listened a bit into the second movement... and... listen to what is happening at minute 24:43-44
> >
> > https://youtu.be/DbPKJlHaDv0?t=1480
> >
> > He pretty much fucks sth up here...
> >
> > Anyway Gelber is still the best; and this version sucks - not just because of what I mentioned above...
> >
> > I actually got a sealed copy of Gelber's Brahms PC 1 (with Decker - EMI) for 5 Euros + 3 Euro shipment on amazon.de ca. a month ago.
> >
> > This one: https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Gelber/dp/B000A69RNA/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1HJVAGS80MU5K&keywords=brahms+decker+gelber&qid=1684566524&s=music&sprefix=brahms+decker+gelber%2Cpopular%2C91&sr=1-4
> have the Gelber, yes great
>
> AB

I came to knew it through Dan's rec; with Schnabel (also a rec of Dan) probably my favourite... and Grimaud is okay if I remember correctly. The others I checked out I didn't like... Freire, Fleisher, Pollini, Barenboim... eh...and probably some others I can't remember... honestly... Freire is a good pianist I think... but Fleisher, Pollini and Barenboim all are very bad.... oh I don't like Rubinstein/Reiner here either. And Kissin as of today... who doesn't seem to be a good musician either...

So best is probably Gelber/Decker and Schnabel/Szell... and Grimaud - as I remember - was good... but not special...

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 by: Marc S - Sat, 20 May 2023 19:01 UTC

Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 20. Mai 2023 um 20:58:52 UTC+2:
> AB schrieb am Samstag, 20. Mai 2023 um 19:31:34 UTC+2:
> > On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 3:10:59 AM UTC-4, Marc S wrote:
> > > Dan Koren schrieb am Samstag, 6. Mai 2023 um 12:36:07 UTC+2:
> > > > https://youtu.be/DbPKJlHaDv0
> > > >
> > > > Evgeny Kissin
> > >
> > > No, it sucks... just listened a bit into the second movement... and.... listen to what is happening at minute 24:43-44
> > >
> > > https://youtu.be/DbPKJlHaDv0?t=1480
> > >
> > > He pretty much fucks sth up here...
> > >
> > > Anyway Gelber is still the best; and this version sucks - not just because of what I mentioned above...
> > >
> > > I actually got a sealed copy of Gelber's Brahms PC 1 (with Decker - EMI) for 5 Euros + 3 Euro shipment on amazon.de ca. a month ago.
> > >
> > > This one: https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Gelber/dp/B000A69RNA/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1HJVAGS80MU5K&keywords=brahms+decker+gelber&qid=1684566524&s=music&sprefix=brahms+decker+gelber%2Cpopular%2C91&sr=1-4
> > have the Gelber, yes great
> >
> > AB
> I came to knew it through Dan's rec; with Schnabel (also a rec of Dan) probably my favourite... and Grimaud is okay if I remember correctly. The others I checked out I didn't like... Freire, Fleisher, Pollini, Barenboim...

*not probably, but definitely.

eh...and probably some others I can't remember... honestly... Freire is a good pianist I think... but Fleisher, Pollini and Barenboim all are very bad.... oh I don't like Rubinstein/Reiner here either. And Kissin as of today.... who doesn't seem to be a good musician either...
>
> So best is probably Gelber/Decker and Schnabel/Szell... and Grimaud - as I remember - was good... but not special...

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AB schrieb am Samstag, 20. Mai 2023 um 19:31:34 UTC+2:
> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 3:10:59 AM UTC-4, Marc S wrote:
> > Dan Koren schrieb am Samstag, 6. Mai 2023 um 12:36:07 UTC+2:
> > > https://youtu.be/DbPKJlHaDv0
> > >
> > > Evgeny Kissin
> >
> > No, it sucks... just listened a bit into the second movement... and... listen to what is happening at minute 24:43-44
> >
> > https://youtu.be/DbPKJlHaDv0?t=1480
> >
> > He pretty much fucks sth up here...
> >
> > Anyway Gelber is still the best; and this version sucks - not just because of what I mentioned above...
> >
> > I actually got a sealed copy of Gelber's Brahms PC 1 (with Decker - EMI) for 5 Euros + 3 Euro shipment on amazon.de ca. a month ago.
> >
> > This one: https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Gelber/dp/B000A69RNA/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1HJVAGS80MU5K&keywords=brahms+decker+gelber&qid=1684566524&s=music&sprefix=brahms+decker+gelber%2Cpopular%2C91&sr=1-4
> have the Gelber, yes great
>
> AB

Listened to Schiotz in "Die schöne Müllerin"... I liked him and also the pianist... but I just don't like Die schöne Müllerin... not a single song... I mean some interesting ideas maybe...

I really love "Der Leiermann" (Hotter + Raucheisen; another rec of Dan - thanks), and I think "Der Doppelgänger" is interesting which means I seem to like sth about it, but I need to listen to more interpretations; as of yet, I seem to have problems with songs... I don't find many that I like; but okay... that seems to be the case with other genres as well...

Got to listen to some Heinrich Schlusnus I guess ;)

--

Was listening to a bit more Sokolov Bach lately thanks to your rec when I asked you about your favourite pianists... it is very beautiful... really... best Bach pianist I ever heard...

Kind of reminded me about a thread that we had lately, about pianists declining after 40 or sth... certainly not Sokolov...

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Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 20. Mai 2023 um 20:58:52 UTC+2:
> AB schrieb am Samstag, 20. Mai 2023 um 19:31:34 UTC+2:
> > On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 3:10:59 AM UTC-4, Marc S wrote:
> > > Dan Koren schrieb am Samstag, 6. Mai 2023 um 12:36:07 UTC+2:
> > > > https://youtu.be/DbPKJlHaDv0
> > > >
> > > > Evgeny Kissin
> > >
> > > No, it sucks... just listened a bit into the second movement... and.... listen to what is happening at minute 24:43-44
> > >
> > > https://youtu.be/DbPKJlHaDv0?t=1480
> > >
> > > He pretty much fucks sth up here...
> > >
> > > Anyway Gelber is still the best; and this version sucks - not just because of what I mentioned above...
> > >
> > > I actually got a sealed copy of Gelber's Brahms PC 1 (with Decker - EMI) for 5 Euros + 3 Euro shipment on amazon.de ca. a month ago.
> > >
> > > This one: https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Gelber/dp/B000A69RNA/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1HJVAGS80MU5K&keywords=brahms+decker+gelber&qid=1684566524&s=music&sprefix=brahms+decker+gelber%2Cpopular%2C91&sr=1-4
> > have the Gelber, yes great
> >
> > AB
> I came to knew it through Dan's rec; with Schnabel (also a rec of Dan) probably my favourite... and Grimaud is okay if I remember correctly. The others I checked out I didn't like... Freire, Fleisher, Pollini, Barenboim...

*know ofc wtf...

> eh...and probably some others I can't remember... honestly... Freire is a good pianist I think... but Fleisher, Pollini and Barenboim all are very bad... oh I don't like Rubinstein/Reiner here either. And Kissin as of today.... who doesn't seem to be a good musician either...
>
> So best is probably Gelber/Decker and Schnabel/Szell... and Grimaud - as I remember - was good... but not special...

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Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 20. Mai 2023 um 21:09:56 UTC+2:
> AB schrieb am Samstag, 20. Mai 2023 um 19:31:34 UTC+2:
> > On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 3:10:59 AM UTC-4, Marc S wrote:
> > > Dan Koren schrieb am Samstag, 6. Mai 2023 um 12:36:07 UTC+2:
> > > > https://youtu.be/DbPKJlHaDv0
> > > >
> > > > Evgeny Kissin
> > >
> > > No, it sucks... just listened a bit into the second movement... and.... listen to what is happening at minute 24:43-44
> > >
> > > https://youtu.be/DbPKJlHaDv0?t=1480
> > >
> > > He pretty much fucks sth up here...
> > >
> > > Anyway Gelber is still the best; and this version sucks - not just because of what I mentioned above...
> > >
> > > I actually got a sealed copy of Gelber's Brahms PC 1 (with Decker - EMI) for 5 Euros + 3 Euro shipment on amazon.de ca. a month ago.
> > >
> > > This one: https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Gelber/dp/B000A69RNA/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1HJVAGS80MU5K&keywords=brahms+decker+gelber&qid=1684566524&s=music&sprefix=brahms+decker+gelber%2Cpopular%2C91&sr=1-4
> > have the Gelber, yes great
> >
> > AB
> Listened to Schiotz in "Die schöne Müllerin"... I liked him and also the pianist... but I just don't like Die schöne Müllerin... not a single song... I mean some interesting ideas maybe...
>
> I really love "Der Leiermann" (Hotter + Raucheisen; another rec of Dan - thanks), and I think "Der Doppelgänger" is interesting which means I seem to like sth about it, but I need to listen to more interpretations; as of yet, I seem to have problems with songs... I don't find many that I like; but okay... that seems to be the case with other genres as well...

*that seems to be the case for me in other genres as well

>
> Got to listen to some Heinrich Schlusnus I guess ;)
>
> --
>
> Was listening to a bit more Sokolov Bach lately thanks to your rec when I asked you about your favourite pianists... it is very beautiful... really.... best Bach pianist I ever heard...
>
> Kind of reminded me about a thread that we had lately, about pianists declining after 40 or sth... certainly not Sokolov...

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Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 20. Mai 2023 um 20:58:52 UTC+2:
> AB schrieb am Samstag, 20. Mai 2023 um 19:31:34 UTC+2:
> > On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 3:10:59 AM UTC-4, Marc S wrote:
> > > Dan Koren schrieb am Samstag, 6. Mai 2023 um 12:36:07 UTC+2:
> > > > https://youtu.be/DbPKJlHaDv0
> > > >
> > > > Evgeny Kissin
> > >
> > > No, it sucks... just listened a bit into the second movement... and.... listen to what is happening at minute 24:43-44
> > >
> > > https://youtu.be/DbPKJlHaDv0?t=1480
> > >
> > > He pretty much fucks sth up here...
> > >
> > > Anyway Gelber is still the best; and this version sucks - not just because of what I mentioned above...
> > >
> > > I actually got a sealed copy of Gelber's Brahms PC 1 (with Decker - EMI) for 5 Euros + 3 Euro shipment on amazon.de ca. a month ago.
> > >
> > > This one: https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Gelber/dp/B000A69RNA/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1HJVAGS80MU5K&keywords=brahms+decker+gelber&qid=1684566524&s=music&sprefix=brahms+decker+gelber%2Cpopular%2C91&sr=1-4
> > have the Gelber, yes great
> >
> > AB
> I came to knew it through Dan's rec; with Schnabel (also a rec of Dan) probably my favourite... and Grimaud is okay if I remember correctly. The others I checked out I didn't like... Freire, Fleisher, Pollini, Barenboim... eh...and probably some others I can't remember... honestly... Freire is a good pianist I think... but Fleisher, Pollini and Barenboim all are very bad.... oh I don't like Rubinstein/Reiner here either. And Kissin as of today.... who doesn't seem to be a good musician either...

*in general I think Freire is a good pianist; but not here in Brahms 1; just so it doesn't get misunderstood.

>
> So best is probably Gelber/Decker and Schnabel/Szell... and Grimaud - as I remember - was good... but not special...

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> > So best is probably Gelber/Decker and Schnabel/Szell... and Grimaud - as I remember - was good... but not special...

Just tried to purchase it on Amazon here in US....no way i am paying nearly $30 for a single mid-price CD that was probably priced .....has to be a cheaper site. :(

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>>> So best is probably Gelber/Decker and Schnabel/Szell... and Grimaud - as I remember - was good... but not special...
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> Just tried to purchase it on Amazon here in US....no way i am paying nearly $30 for a single mid-price CD that was probably priced .....has to be a cheaper site. :(

https://www.amazon.com/Piano-Concerto-Variation-Fugue-Theme/dp/B000A2ES92

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furrybear57 schrieb am Sonntag, 21. Mai 2023 um 21:27:36 UTC+2:
> > > So best is probably Gelber/Decker and Schnabel/Szell... and Grimaud - as I remember - was good... but not special...
> Just tried to purchase it on Amazon here in US....no way i am paying nearly $30 for a single mid-price CD that was probably priced .....has to be a cheaper site. :(

There are some that are more expensive on Amazon here in Ger as well, I think 30-40 Euros; so I was quite happy when I found them for that price, new and sealed even.

Frank has found some on the cheaper side, 12$ new seems good to me.

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Marc S schrieb am Sonntag, 21. Mai 2023 um 22:56:59 UTC+2:
> furrybear57 schrieb am Sonntag, 21. Mai 2023 um 21:27:36 UTC+2:
> > > > So best is probably Gelber/Decker and Schnabel/Szell... and Grimaud - as I remember - was good... but not special...
> > Just tried to purchase it on Amazon here in US....no way i am paying nearly $30 for a single mid-price CD that was probably priced .....has to be a cheaper site. :(
> There are some that are more expensive on Amazon here in Ger as well, I think 30-40 Euros; so I was quite happy when I found them for that price, new and sealed even.
>
> Frank has found some on the cheaper side, 12$ new seems good to me.

Just looked at my collection and identified this YT-recording to be the RB from Chicago, March-08 2008
Charles Dutoit & CSO (50'th CSO Anniversary).
There is another Kissin/Brahms from St. Petersburg recorded by KulturaTV in 2008, and "no fuck sth up" at 24:43-44!

Otherwise agree with Gelber as the best Brahms 1st in rec. history.

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Barny schrieb am Dienstag, 23. Mai 2023 um 19:50:56 UTC+2:
> Marc S schrieb am Sonntag, 21. Mai 2023 um 22:56:59 UTC+2:
> > furrybear57 schrieb am Sonntag, 21. Mai 2023 um 21:27:36 UTC+2:
> > > > > So best is probably Gelber/Decker and Schnabel/Szell... and Grimaud - as I remember - was good... but not special...
> > > Just tried to purchase it on Amazon here in US....no way i am paying nearly $30 for a single mid-price CD that was probably priced .....has to be a cheaper site. :(
> > There are some that are more expensive on Amazon here in Ger as well, I think 30-40 Euros; so I was quite happy when I found them for that price, new and sealed even.
> >
> > Frank has found some on the cheaper side, 12$ new seems good to me.
> Just looked at my collection and identified this YT-recording to be the RB from Chicago, March-08 2008
> Charles Dutoit & CSO (50'th CSO Anniversary).

Thanks for clearing this up. Interesting.

> There is another Kissin/Brahms from St. Petersburg recorded by KulturaTV in 2008, and "no fuck sth up" at 24:43-44!

Hehe, I found it on yt. I'll look into it and look how he plays it there.

*in hindsight it was stupid of me even doubting he didn't fuck sth up there (as another comment of mine said), thing is... I tried to think of it as very soft trills or sth he added or sth... but while thinking thsi I was doubting it already... stupid comment of me... nvm... sorry for talking

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> Otherwise agree with Gelber as the best Brahms 1st in rec. history.

Ya. Let me ask you please: What's your fav Brahms 2nd in rec. history? And what's your fav Brahms 117-119 in rec. history?

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> Ya. Let me ask you please: What's your fav Brahms 2nd in rec. history? And what's your fav Brahms 117-119 in rec. history?

Too many 'good' performances, just don't know where to start.
From the old gone generation I don't want to miss Gilels, Lupu and not to forget Gould's Brahms 'Intermezzi' from the 60's.

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On 2023-05-25 10:20 a.m., Barny wrote:
>> Ya. Let me ask you please: What's your fav Brahms 2nd in rec. history? And what's your fav Brahms 117-119 in rec. history?
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> Too many 'good' performances, just don't know where to start.
> From the old gone generation I don't want to miss Gilels, Lupu and not to forget Gould's Brahms 'Intermezzi' from the 60's.

There's also Curzon/Szell.

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Barny schrieb am Donnerstag, 25. IMai 2023 um 18:20:54 UTC+2:
> > Ya. Let me ask you please: What's your fav Brahms 2nd in rec. history? And what's your fav Brahms 117-119 in rec. history?
> Too many 'good' performances, just don't know where to start.

Hehe, no problem. I recently decided that Brahms is not a composer I really need; meaning that I don't really care for him. -- I am by no means saying that Brahms is a bad composer and I still rate him highly, but he just doesn't come close to Bach, Mozart, Beethoven or Schubert imo.

> From the old gone generation I don't want to miss Gilels, Lupu and not to forget Gould's Brahms 'Intermezzi' from the 60's.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I'd probably rather go with Rubinstein/Krips (know it thanks to a rec of Dan), but I'd have to relisten to some interpretations again and also listen to some more to be more confident about my favourite... (still Rubinstein would be very near the top or likely still at the top); same wrt Brahms 117-119... but Schnabel, Rubinstein, Grimaud come to mind I guess... got to know some of the pieces through Gould... in some way I like him and in some way I still have problems with him - mainly relistening to his Bach atm... Sokolov, who maybe in some way has a similar approach to Bach, I prefer much more it seems...

*BTW I have no idea how to read music, just so you know who you are dealing with.

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 by: Marc S - Thu, 25 May 2023 18:55 UTC

Marc S schrieb am Donnerstag, 25. Mai 2023 um 20:39:33 UTC+2:
> Barny schrieb am Donnerstag, 25. IMai 2023 um 18:20:54 UTC+2:
> > > Ya. Let me ask you please: What's your fav Brahms 2nd in rec. history? And what's your fav Brahms 117-119 in rec. history?
> > Too many 'good' performances, just don't know where to start.
> Hehe, no problem. I recently decided that Brahms is not a composer I really need; meaning that I don't really care for him. -- I am by no means saying that Brahms is a bad composer and I still rate him highly, but he just doesn't come close to Bach, Mozart, Beethoven or Schubert imo.

*not decided, but realized.

> > From the old gone generation I don't want to miss Gilels, Lupu and not to forget Gould's Brahms 'Intermezzi' from the 60's.
> Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I'd probably rather go with Rubinstein/Krips (know it thanks to a rec of Dan), but I'd have to relisten to some interpretations again and also listen to some more to be more confident about my favourite... (still Rubinstein would be very near the top or likely still at the top); same wrt Brahms 117-119... but Schnabel, Rubinstein, Grimaud come to mind I guess... got to know some of the pieces through Gould... in some way I like him and in some way I still have problems with him - mainly relistening to his Bach atm... Sokolov, who maybe in some way has a similar approach to Bach, I prefer much more it seems...
>
> *BTW I have no idea how to read music, just so you know who you are dealing with.

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 by: Dan Koren - Thu, 25 May 2023 22:37 UTC

On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 11:39:33 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
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> *BTW I have no idea how to read music,

You also have no idea how to listen.

> just so you know who you are dealing with.

This has been pretty obvious for a while.

dk

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On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 12:52:07 PM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
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> Ya. Let me ask you please: What's your fav Brahms 2nd in rec.
> history? And what's your fav Brahms 117-119 in rec. history?

If I had to pick just one it would be Rubinstein/Krips.

dk

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On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 11:36:44 AM UTC-7, Graham wrote:
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> There's also Curzon/Szell.

Curse on Szell ?!?

A disgusting reading. Curzon
could barely play the piano.

An impostor! Curzon was a
Gramophoney marketing
creation. An "honorable"
"respectable", "tasteful"
pianist for the British
bourgeoisie. What a
dreck!

dk

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 by: Graham - Fri, 26 May 2023 00:46 UTC

On 2023-05-25 4:43 p.m., Dan Koren wrote:
> On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 11:36:44 AM UTC-7, Graham wrote:
>>
>> There's also Curzon/Szell.
>
> Curse on Szell ?!?
>
> A disgusting reading. Curzon
> could barely play the piano.
>
> An impostor! Curzon was a
> Gramophoney marketing
> creation. An "honorable"
> "respectable", "tasteful"
> pianist for the British
> bourgeoisie. What a
> dreck!
>
> dk
Calm down! Calm down!! You are in danger of blowing a gasket!

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 by: Dan Koren - Fri, 26 May 2023 00:51 UTC

On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 5:48:51 PM UTC-7, Graham wrote:
> On 2023-05-25 4:43 p.m., Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 11:36:44 AM UTC-7, Graham wrote:
> >>
> >> There's also Curzon/Szell.
> >
> > Curse on Szell ?!?
> >
> > A disgusting reading. Curzon
> > could barely play the piano.
> >
> > An impostor! Curzon was a
> > Gramophoney marketing
> > creation. An "honorable"
> > "respectable", "tasteful"
> > pianist for the British
> > bourgeoisie. What a
> > dreck!
>
> Calm down! Calm down!! You are
> in danger of blowing a gasket!

?!? I have no gaskets !!! ;-)

dk

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 by: Marc S - Fri, 26 May 2023 05:48 UTC

Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 26. Mai 2023 um 00:37:21 UTC+2:
> On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 11:39:33 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> >
> > *BTW I have no idea how to read music,
> You also have no idea how to listen.

Haha - says who? The guy who salivated over HJ Lim's abysmal Brahms PC 2?

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