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* The Beecham 1957 SheherazadeDan Koren
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 by: Dan Koren - Wed, 24 May 2023 04:38 UTC

https://youtu.be/cpvhvc31kFI

For those who do not have an
LP or CD version, this is your
opportunity to download a
copy from YouTube.

dk

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 by: gggg gggg - Thu, 25 May 2023 06:12 UTC

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 9:38:38 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> https://youtu.be/cpvhvc31kFI
>
> For those who do not have an
> LP or CD version, this is your
> opportunity to download a
> copy from YouTube.
>
> dk

Was this the 1st stereo "Scheherazade"?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfKvWMgvVXQ

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Subject: Re: The Beecham 1957 Sheherazade
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 by: Kerrison - Thu, 25 May 2023 08:16 UTC

On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 7:12:08 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 9:38:38 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > https://youtu.be/cpvhvc31kFI
> >
> > For those who do not have an
> > LP or CD version, this is your
> > opportunity to download a
> > copy from YouTube.
> >
> > dk
> Was this the 1st stereo "Scheherazade"?:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfKvWMgvVXQ

It says "1955" in the caption but do we have the actual recording date for the Mario Rossi LP? ... Morton Gould and his Orchestra recorded it for RCA in what was later described as "Living Stereo" in either 1954 or 1955 but initially released in mono (LM-1956) - maybe someone knows the actual date of that one. It was reissued on the Quintessence label with a rave review printed at the top of the front cover. As to Beecham, John Hunt's "Musical Knights" Discography gives two recording dates for his RPO "Scheherazade" - March 1957 in London and October 1957 in Paris. I think it's come up before here that the first one was recorded in mono only and the second was the stereo version, though someone may like to confirm!

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On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 1:16:30 AM UTC-7, Kerrison wrote:
> On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 7:12:08 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 9:38:38 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > https://youtu.be/cpvhvc31kFI
> > >
> > > For those who do not have an
> > > LP or CD version, this is your
> > > opportunity to download a
> > > copy from YouTube.
> > >
> > > dk
> > Was this the 1st stereo "Scheherazade"?:
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfKvWMgvVXQ
> It says "1955" in the caption but do we have the actual recording date for the Mario Rossi LP? ... Morton Gould and his Orchestra recorded it for RCA in what was later described as "Living Stereo" in either 1954 or 1955 but initially released in mono (LM-1956) - maybe someone knows the actual date of that one. It was reissued on the Quintessence label with a rave review printed at the top of the front cover. As to Beecham, John Hunt's "Musical Knights" Discography gives two recording dates for his RPO "Scheherazade" - March 1957 in London and October 1957 in Paris. I think it's come up before here that the first one was recorded in mono only and the second was the stereo version, though someone may like to confirm!

Concerning the comment "It was reissued on the Quintessence label with a rave review printed at the top of the front cover.", wasn't it also issued as a Victrola lp?:

https://www.discogs.com/release/5109213-Rimsky-Korsakoff-Morton-Gould-Scheherazade

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Subject: Re: The Beecham 1957 Sheherazade
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> It says "1955" in the caption but do we have the actual recording date for the Mario Rossi LP? .

May 1956 according to Mike Gray

Gray dates the Gould 21-22-24 September 1955. But he only lists the mono number LM 1956

So it looks as if the Gould might have been the first to be made but the Rossi the first to be issued. Unless the YouTuber has evidence that Gray's date is wrong.

For the Beecham, Gray has 1957 March 17 - 19, 25 + 29 & October 10, as with Hunt, but with both sessions in London, Kingsway Hall

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 by: Kerrison - Fri, 26 May 2023 14:05 UTC

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 6:58:23 AM UTC+1, Christopher Howell wrote:
> > It says "1955" in the caption but do we have the actual recording date for the Mario Rossi LP? .
> May 1956 according to Mike Gray
>
> Gray dates the Gould 21-22-24 September 1955. But he only lists the mono number LM 1956
>
> So it looks as if the Gould might have been the first to be made but the Rossi the first to be issued. Unless the YouTuber has evidence that Gray's date is wrong.
>
> For the Beecham, Gray has 1957 March 17 - 19, 25 + 29 & October 10, as with Hunt, but with both sessions in London, Kingsway Hall

I've just googled the Morton Gould 'Quintessence' LP (PMC 7042-B Stereo) and clicked 'images' ... At the top of the cover it states: "Triple 'A' Rating from 'Hi Fi Music at Home' for Outstanding Composition, Performance, Recording" ... plus James Lyons' comment: "Morton Gould's performance is among the very best and certainly the most verisimilitudinous of all." Max Pollikoff was the violin soloist and if the recording hasn't been issued on CD yet, maybe Mark Obert-Thorn will do it for 'Pristine'!

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 by: Richard Kaplan - Fri, 26 May 2023 19:15 UTC

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 9:05:19 AM UTC-5, Kerrison wrote:
> On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 6:58:23 AM UTC+1, Christopher Howell wrote:
> > > It says "1955" in the caption but do we have the actual recording date for the Mario Rossi LP? .
> > May 1956 according to Mike Gray
> >
> > Gray dates the Gould 21-22-24 September 1955. But he only lists the mono number LM 1956
> >
> > So it looks as if the Gould might have been the first to be made but the Rossi the first to be issued. Unless the YouTuber has evidence that Gray's date is wrong.
> >
> > For the Beecham, Gray has 1957 March 17 - 19, 25 + 29 & October 10, as with Hunt, but with both sessions in London, Kingsway Hall
> I've just googled the Morton Gould 'Quintessence' LP (PMC 7042-B Stereo) and clicked 'images' ... At the top of the cover it states: "Triple 'A' Rating from 'Hi Fi Music at Home' for Outstanding Composition, Performance, Recording" ... plus James Lyons' comment: "Morton Gould's performance is among the very best and certainly the most verisimilitudinous of all." Max Pollikoff was the violin soloist and if the recording hasn't been issued on CD yet, maybe Mark Obert-Thorn will do it for 'Pristine'!
Ansermet's second Scheherazade was recorded in stereo in September 1954.

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Subject: Re: The Beecham 1957 Sheherazade
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 by: gggg gggg - Fri, 26 May 2023 20:21 UTC

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 12:15:51 PM UTC-7, Richard Kaplan wrote:
> On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 9:05:19 AM UTC-5, Kerrison wrote:
> > On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 6:58:23 AM UTC+1, Christopher Howell wrote:
> > > > It says "1955" in the caption but do we have the actual recording date for the Mario Rossi LP? .
> > > May 1956 according to Mike Gray
> > >
> > > Gray dates the Gould 21-22-24 September 1955. But he only lists the mono number LM 1956
> > >
> > > So it looks as if the Gould might have been the first to be made but the Rossi the first to be issued. Unless the YouTuber has evidence that Gray's date is wrong.
> > >
> > > For the Beecham, Gray has 1957 March 17 - 19, 25 + 29 & October 10, as with Hunt, but with both sessions in London, Kingsway Hall
> > I've just googled the Morton Gould 'Quintessence' LP (PMC 7042-B Stereo) and clicked 'images' ... At the top of the cover it states: "Triple 'A' Rating from 'Hi Fi Music at Home' for Outstanding Composition, Performance, Recording" ... plus James Lyons' comment: "Morton Gould's performance is among the very best and certainly the most verisimilitudinous of all." Max Pollikoff was the violin soloist and if the recording hasn't been issued on CD yet, maybe Mark Obert-Thorn will do it for 'Pristine'!
> Ansermet's second Scheherazade was recorded in stereo in September 1954.

According to the following:

- Ansermet later would record the full score twice – in 1954 in remarkably good early stereo (but released at the time only in mono) with the Orchestre de la Société des Concerts du Conservatoire de Paris (now on EMI), and again in 1960 with his own Orchestre de la Suisse Romande (Decca). Both are nicely poised and balanced to convey the score with an absolute minimum of personal intrusion or "interpretation."

http://www.classicalnotes.net/classics2/rimsky.html

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 by: gggg gggg - Sat, 27 May 2023 01:22 UTC

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 9:38:38 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> https://youtu.be/cpvhvc31kFI
>
> For those who do not have an
> LP or CD version, this is your
> opportunity to download a
> copy from YouTube.
>
> dk

How would you compare that with this?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyDNU9udNEU&t=124s

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 by: Dan Koren - Sat, 27 May 2023 01:28 UTC

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 6:22:09 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 9:38:38 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > https://youtu.be/cpvhvc31kFI
> >
> > For those who do not have an
> > LP or CD version, this is your
> > opportunity to download a
> > copy from YouTube.
>
> How would you compare that with this?:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyDNU9udNEU&t=124s

I wouldn't. I don't have time for this.

My current top pick for Sheherazade
is Leif Segerstam with Sinfonica de
Galicia:

https://youtu.be/zY4w4_W30aQ

Beecham does not come close.

dk

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