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Subject: Re: Brahms PC1 as good as it gets!
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 by: Marc S - Fri, 26 May 2023 05:49 UTC

Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 26. Mai 2023 um 00:40:18 UTC+2:
> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 12:52:07 PM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> >
> > Ya. Let me ask you please: What's your fav Brahms 2nd in rec.
> > history? And what's your fav Brahms 117-119 in rec. history?
> If I had to pick just one it would be Rubinstein/Krips.

See what positive influence I have on you? At least HJ Lim's abysmal Brahms PC 2 doesn't rank at the top for you anymore; seems I got you back into your cave. No need to thank me, I did it for the music, not for you ;)

>
> dk

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 by: Marc S - Sun, 28 May 2023 11:06 UTC

Just wanted to 'redeem' myself of something I said in another thread about Volodos:

Was just thinking about D 894 again and I think he's probably my second favourite here after Richter (Volodos - as I've read somewhere - seemed to adore Richter btw).

Still I should add that I'm not really a fan of his approach... because it's just too smooth for my ears... but it's better than the other stuff I heard I have to say.

And wrt Brahms 117-119; because I mentioned Grimaud, I think I also have to mention Volodos... but I am not a big fan of either... then there is also Katchen ofc... of whom I am not a big fan either, just as is the case with Anna Gourari... Schnabel and Rubinstein (from their general style - as different as they are - and what I remember about their Brahms) seem to be more to my taste.

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 by: Dan Koren - Mon, 29 May 2023 08:58 UTC

On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 4:06:33 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
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> as I've read somewhere - seemed to adore Richter btw).
>

Several generations of Russian pianists
were brought up worshipping Richter.
What else is new?

dk

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 by: Marc S - Mon, 29 May 2023 09:02 UTC

Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 29. Mai 2023 um 10:58:14 UTC+2:
> On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 4:06:33 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
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> > as I've read somewhere - seemed to adore Richter btw).
> >
> Several generations of Russian pianists
> were brought up worshipping Richter.
> What else is new?

You were always a donkey.

What else is new?

>
> dk

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 by: Marc S - Wed, 31 May 2023 19:11 UTC

It might have been in this thread - though I'm not sure - in which I praised Sokolov's Bach - sorry, I have to take it back.

I think Dan is right, it sounds too studied - seems to be the problem with Sokolov in general. His pianism is amazing though. I also realized I really can't deal with Gould... and also no Gilels for me.

Richter is probably the best Bach pianist... and also probably the best Schubert pianist alongside Schnabel and likely Volodos, though I have to think about this a bit more... (talking about solo piano)

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On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 12:11:37 PM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
>
> It might have been in this thread - though I'm not sure - in
> which I praised Sokolov's Bach - sorry, I have to take it back.
>
> I think Dan is right, it sounds too studied - seems to be the
> problem with Sokolov in general. His pianism is amazing
> though.

Sokolov's style has changed significantly over time. His
1990s recordings sound inspired and spontaneous. I do
not read people's minds, however I suspect his recent
mannerisms stem from his obsession with Baroque
and early keyboard music.

For illustration, compare his Partita 6 Sarabande
with Pletnev's:

Sokolov: https://youtu.be/v331b4l1hZU?t=935

Pletnev: https://youtu.be/cuEGyRa3fMA

Which one sounds free and more improvised
to your ears?

dk

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 by: Marc S - Wed, 31 May 2023 20:06 UTC

Dan Koren schrieb am Mittwoch, 31. Mai 2023 um 21:49:40 UTC+2:
> On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 12:11:37 PM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> >
> > It might have been in this thread - though I'm not sure - in
> > which I praised Sokolov's Bach - sorry, I have to take it back.
> >
> > I think Dan is right, it sounds too studied - seems to be the
> > problem with Sokolov in general. His pianism is amazing
> > though.
> Sokolov's style has changed significantly over time. His
> 1990s recordings sound inspired and spontaneous. I do
> not read people's minds, however I suspect his recent
> mannerisms stem from his obsession with Baroque
> and early keyboard music.
>
> For illustration, compare his Partita 6 Sarabande
> with Pletnev's:
>
> Sokolov: https://youtu.be/v331b4l1hZU?t=935
>
> Pletnev: https://youtu.be/cuEGyRa3fMA

I already know this - had Pletnev in my mind before actually, when thinking about my favourite Bach pianists. Argerich as well.

>
> Which one sounds free and more improvised
> to your ears?

I would definitely choose Pletnev over Sokolov. In this case I can trust my memory; the way I think about music has changed a bit I think... or rather back to the roots; Pletnev was one of my favourite pianists, just as E. Kleiber was one of my favourite conductors before I ditched them... now E. Kleiber is one of my favourite conductors again, and maybe same will happen with Pletnev.

>
> dk

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On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 1:06:43 PM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
>
> I would definitely choose Pletnev over Sokolov. In this case I
> can trust my memory; the way I think about music has changed
> a bit I think... or rather back to the roots; Pletnev was one of my
> favourite pianists, just as E. Kleiber was one of my favourite
> conductors before I ditched them... now E. Kleiber is one of
> my favourite conductors again, and maybe same will happen
> with Pletnev.

You are wasting your time and your brain by making wholesale
judgments about pianists. One should evaluate performances,
not individuals. There is no particular benefit in generalizing
what one hears -- it only creates blinders, or deafeners if you
prefer.

dk

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 by: Marc S - Wed, 31 May 2023 20:21 UTC

Dan Koren schrieb am Mittwoch, 31. Mai 2023 um 22:11:29 UTC+2:
> On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 1:06:43 PM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> >
> > I would definitely choose Pletnev over Sokolov. In this case I
> > can trust my memory; the way I think about music has changed
> > a bit I think... or rather back to the roots; Pletnev was one of my
> > favourite pianists, just as E. Kleiber was one of my favourite
> > conductors before I ditched them... now E. Kleiber is one of
> > my favourite conductors again, and maybe same will happen
> > with Pletnev.
> You are wasting your time and your brain by making wholesale
> judgments about pianists. One should evaluate performances,
> not individuals. There is no particular benefit in generalizing
> what one hears -- it only creates blinders, or deafeners if you
> prefer.

Hold on for a sec... you are wasting your time and your brain stating the obvious again... Haha. What a fool you are.

I know Sokolov enough by now - and if you were able to follow things, I talked about him the first time I showed up on this board. You may listen to his Saint-Saens concerto recording for how long you want to, I don't like it - the piece, the interpretation is very nice. I don't like his style in the repertoire I like. Plain and simple, Donkey-Kong.

>
> dk

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Dan Koren schrieb am Mittwoch, 31. Mai 2023 um 22:11:29 UTC+2:
> On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 1:06:43 PM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> >
> > I would definitely choose Pletnev over Sokolov. In this case I
> > can trust my memory; the way I think about music has changed
> > a bit I think... or rather back to the roots; Pletnev was one of my
> > favourite pianists, just as E. Kleiber was one of my favourite
> > conductors before I ditched them... now E. Kleiber is one of
> > my favourite conductors again, and maybe same will happen
> > with Pletnev.
> You are wasting your time and your brain by making wholesale
> judgments about pianists. One should evaluate performances,
> not individuals. There is no particular benefit in generalizing
> what one hears -- it only creates blinders, or deafeners if you
> prefer.
>
> dk

I mean if you have some old Bach, Mozart, Beethoven or Schubert recordings of his which are as good as Richter's or Schnabel's or Volodos' - feel free to show them to me.

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On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 1:21:56 PM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> Dan Koren schrieb am Mittwoch, 31. Mai 2023 um 22:11:29 UTC+2:
>
> > You are wasting your time and your brain by making wholesale
> > judgments about pianists. One should evaluate performances,
> > not individuals. There is no particular benefit in generalizing
> > what one hears -- it only creates blinders, or deafeners if you
> > prefer.
>
> Hold on for a sec... you are wasting your time and your brain
> stating the obvious again... Haha. What a fool you are.

Not anywhere close to your degree of foolishness.

> I know Sokolov enough by now - and if you were able to follow
> things, I talked about him the first time I showed up on this board.

Your showing up was not noticeable. Which is probably the
main reason you exploded. Craving attention just like your
idol BeeBee.

> You may listen to his Saint-Saens concerto recording for how long

I don't recall it being mentioned in this thread. You seem to be
making random connections. Are you in the middle of a seizure?

> you want to, I don't like it - the piece, the interpretation is very
> nice. I don't like his style in the repertoire I like.

I don't listen to the SS 2 often. At the same time, one needs to
keep track of the context. To play the SS 2 the way Sokolov did
at age 16 is nothing short of extraordinary -- whether one likes
his "style" or not.

Even more extraordinary is George Li performing the SS2 at
age 12: https://youtu.be/ebvBowBf9jI

dk

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 by: Marc S - Wed, 31 May 2023 20:50 UTC

Dan Koren schrieb am Mittwoch, 31. Mai 2023 um 22:38:59 UTC+2:
> On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 1:21:56 PM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> > Dan Koren schrieb am Mittwoch, 31. Mai 2023 um 22:11:29 UTC+2:
> >
> > > You are wasting your time and your brain by making wholesale
> > > judgments about pianists. One should evaluate performances,
> > > not individuals. There is no particular benefit in generalizing
> > > what one hears -- it only creates blinders, or deafeners if you
> > > prefer.
> >
> > Hold on for a sec... you are wasting your time and your brain
> > stating the obvious again... Haha. What a fool you are.
> Not anywhere close to your degree of foolishness.

Whatever...

> > I know Sokolov enough by now - and if you were able to follow
> > things, I talked about him the first time I showed up on this board.
> Your showing up was not noticeable. Which is probably the
> main reason you exploded. Craving attention just like your
> idol BeeBee.

Obviously you are projecting again.

With Freud: Either your mama gave you too much attention, or too little - what is it dk?

> > You may listen to his Saint-Saens concerto recording for how long
> I don't recall it being mentioned in this thread.

Oh sorry Herr Oberfeldwebel that I didn't act the way you wanted to...

> You seem to be
> making random connections. Are you in the middle of a seizure?

No, I'm not. Obviously hallucinating again behidn your scuba mask...

btw, do you go to concerts in a scuba mask?

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On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 1:38:59 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
>
> I don't listen to the SS 2 often. At the same time, one needs to
> keep track of the context. To play the SS 2 the way Sokolov did
> at age 16 is nothing short of extraordinary -- whether one likes
> his "style" or not.
>
> Even more extraordinary is George Li performing the SS2
> at age 12: https://youtu.be/ebvBowBf9jI

For comparison here is Sokolov at age 16, either during or
shortly after the Tchaikovsky competition he won in 1966:

https://youtu.be/n53Zkd__F5c

dk

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 by: Marc S - Wed, 31 May 2023 21:29 UTC

Dan Koren schrieb am Mittwoch, 31. Mai 2023 um 22:53:46 UTC+2:
> On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 1:38:59 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> >
> > I don't listen to the SS 2 often. At the same time, one needs to
> > keep track of the context. To play the SS 2 the way Sokolov did
> > at age 16 is nothing short of extraordinary -- whether one likes
> > his "style" or not.
> >
> > Even more extraordinary is George Li performing the SS2
> > at age 12: https://youtu.be/ebvBowBf9jI
> For comparison here is Sokolov at age 16, either during or
> shortly after the Tchaikovsky competition he won in 1966:
>
> https://youtu.be/n53Zkd__F5c
>
> dk

Hahn is very bad imo btw... after relistening to her...

Milstein is very good in Bach... my favourite with Szeryng... Please don't get the idea to recommend me this german woman whose name I forgot in Bach's solo violin works...

Stern is okay in some pieces, but he is no Milstein or Szeryng or Kreisler.... I should relisten to Grumiaux maybe, and Szigeti... Heifetz' Bach I never really liked if I remember correctly... has Jansen recorded Bach?

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 by: Dan Koren - Wed, 31 May 2023 21:45 UTC

On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 2:29:59 PM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
>
> Hahn is very bad imo btw... after relistening to her...

Didn't I say so long before you were born?

> Milstein is very good in Bach... my favourite with Szeryng...

Didn't I say so long before you were born?

> Please don't get the idea to recommend me this german
> woman whose name I forgot in Bach's solo violin works...

Christiane Edinger? There is more than one way to perform
a work of music (or dance or theatre). There is also more
than one way to look at a paiting or a sculture, though this
is typically not discussed much.

> Stern is okay in some pieces,

Not that I recall.

? but he is no Milstein or Szeryng or Kreisler...

Duh!

> I should relisten to Grumiaux maybe, and Szigeti...

Why waste your time if you already found what you like?

> Heifetz' Bach I never really liked if I remember correctly...

Showing slight signs of reason now?

> has Jansen recorded Bach?

Bits and pieces. I don't recall seeing a
complete set of sonatas and partitas.

Give Kristof Barati a listen or two:

https://youtu.be/9z1gpWf1ZkA
https://youtu.be/WqGcbCb1k8M

dk

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Subject: Re: Brahms PC1 as good as it gets!
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 by: Marc S - Wed, 31 May 2023 21:58 UTC

Dan Koren schrieb am Mittwoch, 31. Mai 2023 um 23:45:26 UTC+2:
> On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 2:29:59 PM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> >
> > Hahn is very bad imo btw... after relistening to her...
> Didn't I say so long before you were born?
> > Milstein is very good in Bach... my favourite with Szeryng...
> Didn't I say so long before you were born?
> > Please don't get the idea to recommend me this german
> > woman whose name I forgot in Bach's solo violin works...
> Christiane Edinger? There is more than one way to perform
> a work of music (or dance or theatre). There is also more
> than one way to look at a paiting or a sculture, though this
> is typically not discussed much.
> > Stern is okay in some pieces,
> Not that I recall.

I was being a bit too nice I guess... there was one piece that I liked with him and that made me hope that I like him - Mozart 563. Need too listen to more interpretations of this piece I think.

The others I didn't...

>
> ? but he is no Milstein or Szeryng or Kreisler...
>
> Duh!
> > I should relisten to Grumiaux maybe, and Szigeti...
> Why waste your time if you already found what you like?
> > Heifetz' Bach I never really liked if I remember correctly...
> Showing slight signs of reason now?

Could you tell?

>
> > has Jansen recorded Bach?
>
> Bits and pieces. I don't recall seeing a
> complete set of sonatas and partitas.
>
> Give Kristof Barati a listen or two:
>
> https://youtu.be/9z1gpWf1ZkA
> https://youtu.be/WqGcbCb1k8M
>
> dk

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Best Brahms PC1 is surely Schnabel/Szell...

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