On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 3:01:29 AM UTC-7, Herman wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 11:45:51 AM UTC+2, Andy Evans wrote:
> > I've always preferred the Archduke, but that's just me.
>
> OMG there are sooo many piano trios that are more
> rewarding than Schubert's stomping thru the Alps
> singalong.

Can you please post the "rewards"?

> Dare one invoke Mozart, Ravel, Fauré, Dvorak?

Invoke anything you like.

> There are at least a dozen of Haydn masterpieces in
> the genre that are way more refined and rich than
> Schubert?

"Refinement" is in the ears of the listeners. Your notions
of quality and refinement reek of fast food. Remember
when you recommended Eric Le Sage's Schumann?

> Also, the claim that it's so hard to bring off is yet another
> specimen of fake connoisseurship. Any piano trio can do
> this, provided the piano is kept in check; same with the
> violin - cello unisono. Combining fiddle and keyboard
> was a challenge for Schubert.

Yet another example of sheer Herman idiocy. You have
clearly not played the piano part. It is exceedingly easy
for the pianist to overpower the strings -- or to be lost
in the woods. Finding the right balance in the opening
is not easy at all.

As to Schubert being "challenged" in combining fiddles
and keyboards, we will leave it to the rest of the group
to adjudicate.

dk

On Wednesday, 31 May 2023 at 18:32:29 UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 2:45:51 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> >
> > I've always preferred the Archduke, but that's just me.
> Not surprising from a British Monarchist Royalist! ;-)
> > dk

Fact is I'm not much of a monarchist these days. I liked the Queen as we all did, but that was the end of an era. The current royals are an "absolute shower" as Terry Thomas would say. But please, no President. Don't ever go down that road. Even a token chinless wonder is better than that.

On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 11:20:26 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> On Wednesday, 31 May 2023 at 18:32:29 UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 2:45:51 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> > >
> > > I've always preferred the Archduke, but that's just me.
> >
> > Not surprising from a British Monarchist Royalist! ;-)
>
> Fact is I'm not much of a monarchist these days.

Good for you! ;-)

> I liked the Queen as we all did, but that was the end of
> an era. The current royals are an "absolute shower" as
> Terry Thomas would say. But please, no President. Don't
> ever go down that road. Even a token chinless wonder is
> better than that.

I never liked the presidency concept. Governments should
be led by prime ministers elected through a ranked choice
voting system. There must be term and lower/upper age
limits for all government roles. Simple and straightforward.

dk

On 5/31/2023 2:47 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 11:20:26 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 31 May 2023 at 18:32:29 UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 2:45:51 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've always preferred the Archduke, but that's just me.
>>>
>>> Not surprising from a British Monarchist Royalist! ;-)
>>
>> Fact is I'm not much of a monarchist these days.
>
> Good for you! ;-)
>
>> I liked the Queen as we all did, but that was the end of
>> an era. The current royals are an "absolute shower" as
>> Terry Thomas would say. But please, no President. Don't
>> ever go down that road. Even a token chinless wonder is
>> better than that.
>
> I never liked the presidency concept. Governments should
> be led by prime ministers elected through a ranked choice
> voting system. There must be term and lower/upper age
> limits for all government roles. Simple and straightforward.
>
> dk

And not really mattering in the big scheme of things.

On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 1:33:44 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 5/31/2023 2:47 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 11:20:26 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, 31 May 2023 at 18:32:29 UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 2:45:51 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I've always preferred the Archduke, but that's just me.
> >>>
> >>> Not surprising from a British Monarchist Royalist! ;-)
> >>
> >> Fact is I'm not much of a monarchist these days.
> >
> > Good for you! ;-)
> >
> >> I liked the Queen as we all did, but that was the end of
> >> an era. The current royals are an "absolute shower" as
> >> Terry Thomas would say. But please, no President. Don't
> >> ever go down that road. Even a token chinless wonder is
> >> better than that.
> >
> > I never liked the presidency concept. Governments should
> > be led by prime ministers elected through a ranked choice
> > voting system. There must be term and lower/upper age
> > limits for all government roles. Simple and straightforward.
>
> And not really mattering in the big scheme of things.

The bigger the "scheme", the less things matter. No
government can prevent asteroids from hitting the
planet -- however elected or not.

dk

On 5/31/2023 4:40 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 1:33:44 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
>> On 5/31/2023 2:47 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 11:20:26 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, 31 May 2023 at 18:32:29 UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 2:45:51 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've always preferred the Archduke, but that's just me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not surprising from a British Monarchist Royalist! ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Fact is I'm not much of a monarchist these days.
>>>
>>> Good for you! ;-)
>>>
>>>> I liked the Queen as we all did, but that was the end of
>>>> an era. The current royals are an "absolute shower" as
>>>> Terry Thomas would say. But please, no President. Don't
>>>> ever go down that road. Even a token chinless wonder is
>>>> better than that.
>>>
>>> I never liked the presidency concept. Governments should
>>> be led by prime ministers elected through a ranked choice
>>> voting system. There must be term and lower/upper age
>>> limits for all government roles. Simple and straightforward.
>>
>> And not really mattering in the big scheme of things.
>
> The bigger the "scheme", the less things matter. No
> government can prevent asteroids from hitting the
> planet -- however elected or not.
>
> dk

I didn't mean "the big scheme of things" as "in the long run." You're just saying the equivalent meaningless "In the long run we're all dead."

I meant over a period of time we care about, the exact form of representative government wouldn't matter much. As long as it is representative.

On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 2:32:16 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 5/31/2023 4:40 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 1:33:44 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> >> On 5/31/2023 2:47 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 11:20:26 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> >>>> On Wednesday, 31 May 2023 at 18:32:29 UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 2:45:51 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I've always preferred the Archduke, but that's just me.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Not surprising from a British Monarchist Royalist! ;-)
> >>>>
> >>>> Fact is I'm not much of a monarchist these days.
> >>>
> >>> Good for you! ;-)
> >>>
> >>>> I liked the Queen as we all did, but that was the end of
> >>>> an era. The current royals are an "absolute shower" as
> >>>> Terry Thomas would say. But please, no President. Don't
> >>>> ever go down that road. Even a token chinless wonder is
> >>>> better than that.
> >>>
> >>> I never liked the presidency concept. Governments should
> >>> be led by prime ministers elected through a ranked choice
> >>> voting system. There must be term and lower/upper age
> >>> limits for all government roles. Simple and straightforward.
> >>
> >> And not really mattering in the big scheme of things.
> >
> > The bigger the "scheme", the less things matter. No
> > government can prevent asteroids from hitting the
> > planet -- however elected or not.
>
> I didn't mean "the big scheme of things" as "in the long
> run." You're just saying the equivalent meaningless "In
> the long run we're all dead."

I didn't mean "the big scheme of things" as "in the long
run". I meant it as in "galactic scale". Asteroids may hit
and the Sun may blow up before the next elections
(however small the probability).

> I meant over a period of time we care about, the exact
> form of representative government wouldn't matter
> much. As long as it is representative.

Obviously opinions differ greatly as to whom the
government represents, and about how votes are
counted.

On 5/31/2023 5:49 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 2:32:16 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
>> On 5/31/2023 4:40 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 1:33:44 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
>>>> On 5/31/2023 2:47 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 11:20:26 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
>>>>>> On Wednesday, 31 May 2023 at 18:32:29 UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 2:45:51 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've always preferred the Archduke, but that's just me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not surprising from a British Monarchist Royalist! ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fact is I'm not much of a monarchist these days.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good for you! ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>> I liked the Queen as we all did, but that was the end of
>>>>>> an era. The current royals are an "absolute shower" as
>>>>>> Terry Thomas would say. But please, no President. Don't
>>>>>> ever go down that road. Even a token chinless wonder is
>>>>>> better than that.
>>>>>
>>>>> I never liked the presidency concept. Governments should
>>>>> be led by prime ministers elected through a ranked choice
>>>>> voting system. There must be term and lower/upper age
>>>>> limits for all government roles. Simple and straightforward.
>>>>
>>>> And not really mattering in the big scheme of things.
>>>
>>> The bigger the "scheme", the less things matter. No
>>> government can prevent asteroids from hitting the
>>> planet -- however elected or not.
>>
>> I didn't mean "the big scheme of things" as "in the long
>> run." You're just saying the equivalent meaningless "In
>> the long run we're all dead."
>
> I didn't mean "the big scheme of things" as "in the long
> run". I meant it as in "galactic scale". Asteroids may hit
> and the Sun may blow up before the next elections
> (however small the probability).
>
>> I meant over a period of time we care about, the exact
>> form of representative government wouldn't matter
>> much. As long as it is representative.
>
> Obviously opinions differ greatly as to whom the
> government represents, and about how votes are
> counted.
>
>

You're going to have the last word, aren't you?

On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 3:02:38 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 5/31/2023 5:49 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 2:32:16 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> >> On 5/31/2023 4:40 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 1:33:44 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> >>>> On 5/31/2023 2:47 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 11:20:26 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> >>>>>> On Wednesday, 31 May 2023 at 18:32:29 UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 2:45:51 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I've always preferred the Archduke, but that's just me.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Not surprising from a British Monarchist Royalist! ;-)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Fact is I'm not much of a monarchist these days.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Good for you! ;-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I liked the Queen as we all did, but that was the end of
> >>>>>> an era. The current royals are an "absolute shower" as
> >>>>>> Terry Thomas would say. But please, no President. Don't
> >>>>>> ever go down that road. Even a token chinless wonder is
> >>>>>> better than that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I never liked the presidency concept. Governments should
> >>>>> be led by prime ministers elected through a ranked choice
> >>>>> voting system. There must be term and lower/upper age
> >>>>> limits for all government roles. Simple and straightforward.
> >>>>
> >>>> And not really mattering in the big scheme of things.
> >>>
> >>> The bigger the "scheme", the less things matter. No
> >>> government can prevent asteroids from hitting the
> >>> planet -- however elected or not.
> >>
> >> I didn't mean "the big scheme of things" as "in the long
> >> run." You're just saying the equivalent meaningless "In
> >> the long run we're all dead."
> >
> > I didn't mean "the big scheme of things" as "in the long
> > run". I meant it as in "galactic scale". Asteroids may hit
> > and the Sun may blow up before the next elections
> > (however small the probability).
> >
> >> I meant over a period of time we care about, the exact
> >> form of representative government wouldn't matter
> >> much. As long as it is representative.
> >
> > Obviously opinions differ greatly as to whom the
> > government represents, and about how votes are
> > counted.
>
> You're going to have the last word, aren't you?

Obviously not, you are still allowed to speak! ;-)

dk

On 5/30/2023 11:24 AM, Paul Alsing wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 1:16:46 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
>> https://youtu.be/qSRRbOvpaXg
>>
>> Unfortunately, not the best interpretation.
>> This is music that shines through even
>> through the worst performances!
>
> This version is well-regarded...
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BHidUXiMpg&list=PLdFPJBlxZBRaEF8iNdHYzwbYKp0tFvygH
>
> ... Beaux Arts Trio

Golub-Kaplan-Carr on Arabesque.