Rocksolid Light

Welcome to novaBBS (click a section below)

mail  files  register  newsreader  groups  login

Message-ID:  

What is a magician but a practising theorist? -- Obi-Wan Kenobi


arts / rec.arts.sf.written / Re: [review] Five Speculative Visions of Britain in Chaos

SubjectAuthor
* [review] Five Speculative Visions of Britain in ChaosJames Nicoll
+- Re: [review] Five Speculative Visions of Britain in ChaosAndrew McDowell
`* Re: [review] Five Speculative Visions of Britain in ChaosLynn McGuire
 `* Re: [review] Five Speculative Visions of Britain in ChaosMoriarty
  `- Re: [review] Five Speculative Visions of Britain in ChaosLynn McGuire

1
[review] Five Speculative Visions of Britain in Chaos

<sdp0u7$hu$1@reader1.panix.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=57728&group=rec.arts.sf.written#57728

  copy link   Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!panix!.POSTED.panix3.panix.com!not-for-mail
From: jdnic...@panix.com (James Nicoll)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: [review] Five Speculative Visions of Britain in Chaos
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 13:15:51 -0000 (UTC)
Organization: Public Access Networks Corp.
Message-ID: <sdp0u7$hu$1@reader1.panix.com>
Injection-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 13:15:51 -0000 (UTC)
Injection-Info: reader1.panix.com; posting-host="panix3.panix.com:166.84.1.3";
logging-data="574"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@panix.com"
X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test77 (Sep 1, 2010)
 by: James Nicoll - Tue, 27 Jul 2021 13:15 UTC

Five Speculative Visions of Britain in Chaos
https://www.tor.com/2021/07/27/five-speculative-visions-of-britain-in-chaos/
--
My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
My tor pieces at https://www.tor.com/author/james-davis-nicoll/
My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/
My patreon is at https://www.patreon.com/jamesdnicoll

Re: [review] Five Speculative Visions of Britain in Chaos

<a021ff9e-b290-4842-b80a-fecfc0568516n@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=57746&group=rec.arts.sf.written#57746

  copy link   Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:5098:: with SMTP id kk24mr24002941qvb.26.1627411576588;
Tue, 27 Jul 2021 11:46:16 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a25:bec2:: with SMTP id k2mr35049499ybm.234.1627411576419;
Tue, 27 Jul 2021 11:46:16 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!209.85.160.216.MISMATCH!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 11:46:16 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <sdp0u7$hu$1@reader1.panix.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=90.208.188.92; posting-account=utyrIAoAAACcAz1G5lMc301fthWOXU_Z
NNTP-Posting-Host: 90.208.188.92
References: <sdp0u7$hu$1@reader1.panix.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <a021ff9e-b290-4842-b80a-fecfc0568516n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [review] Five Speculative Visions of Britain in Chaos
From: mcdowell...@sky.com (Andrew McDowell)
Injection-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 18:46:16 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 by: Andrew McDowell - Tue, 27 Jul 2021 18:46 UTC

On Tuesday, July 27, 2021 at 2:15:54 PM UTC+1, James Nicoll wrote:
> Five Speculative Visions of Britain in Chaos
> https://www.tor.com/2021/07/27/five-speculative-visions-of-britain-in-chaos/
> --
> My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
> My tor pieces at https://www.tor.com/author/james-davis-nicoll/
> My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/
> My patreon is at https://www.patreon.com/jamesdnicoll

Britain in chaos is familiar to most Brits of my generation not from worries about climate change, but from a semi-official view that the best that Britain could do was a partially managed decline. This view was at its peak in the years of stagflation just before Margaret Thatcher and her acolytes switched economic policy from a belief that inflation was the price to be paid for slightly higher employment to the belief that inflation was the enemy above all. She also got lucky when an Argentinian junta started a short victorious war, and lost.

To the list I'd add two rather odd books - Peter Dickenson's "The Weathermonger" (interesting article on its editorial process and changes made for the American market at https://d.lib.rochester.edu/camelot/text/interview-with-peter-dickinson ) and Edwina Curries "The Ambassador"

"The Ambassador" is the American ambassador to Britain, sent in to do more personal poking around than usual. In this book Britain is in thrall to an EU superstate run by bureaucrats with a rather nasty technical lead in biotechnology. Edwina Currie was a British politician, extrovert and outspoken even for a politician. Her career included the time that John Major was Prime Minister. Major - in his time - was famous for being terminally dull. People used to say that he had run away from the circus to become a bank clerk, or that the demands he made to Saddam Hussein just prior to the first Iraq war were reminiscent of a bank manager complaining about an overdraft. What was not known until many years later was that Major and Currie had had a secret affair.

Re: [review] Five Speculative Visions of Britain in Chaos

<sdpour$fsq$1@dont-email.me>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=57749&group=rec.arts.sf.written#57749

  copy link   Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: lynnmcgu...@gmail.com (Lynn McGuire)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: [review] Five Speculative Visions of Britain in Chaos
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 15:05:45 -0500
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Lines: 11
Message-ID: <sdpour$fsq$1@dont-email.me>
References: <sdp0u7$hu$1@reader1.panix.com>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Injection-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 20:05:47 -0000 (UTC)
Injection-Info: reader02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="4767f5e22978e9c418b1b7c78281317e";
logging-data="16282"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX199a2cDPBK+ONs/H7u2luBr"
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101
Thunderbird/78.12.0
Cancel-Lock: sha1:qmTu1IzWUxla6g7fnOAL805FXVQ=
In-Reply-To: <sdp0u7$hu$1@reader1.panix.com>
Content-Language: en-US
 by: Lynn McGuire - Tue, 27 Jul 2021 20:05 UTC

On 7/27/2021 8:15 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
> Five Speculative Visions of Britain in Chaos
> https://www.tor.com/2021/07/27/five-speculative-visions-of-britain-in-chaos/

Zero for five as usual.

My addition is "Flood" by Stephen Baxter for its detailed words on the
Thames river flooding London a borough at a time.
https://www.amazon.com/Flood-Novel-Stephen-Baxter/dp/0451463285/

Lynn

Re: [review] Five Speculative Visions of Britain in Chaos

<203d01f4-d3d6-4f06-b620-eeda1e35eff4n@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=57758&group=rec.arts.sf.written#57758

  copy link   Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
X-Received: by 2002:a37:a154:: with SMTP id k81mr25177541qke.202.1627427036049;
Tue, 27 Jul 2021 16:03:56 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a25:842:: with SMTP id 63mr33602719ybi.518.1627427035902;
Tue, 27 Jul 2021 16:03:55 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!209.85.160.216.MISMATCH!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 16:03:55 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <sdpour$fsq$1@dont-email.me>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=49.3.5.38; posting-account=Q9jFPQkAAAAt-5h49CADQSz9KlzpPZ0D
NNTP-Posting-Host: 49.3.5.38
References: <sdp0u7$hu$1@reader1.panix.com> <sdpour$fsq$1@dont-email.me>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <203d01f4-d3d6-4f06-b620-eeda1e35eff4n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [review] Five Speculative Visions of Britain in Chaos
From: blue...@ivillage.com (Moriarty)
Injection-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 23:03:56 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
 by: Moriarty - Tue, 27 Jul 2021 23:03 UTC

On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 6:05:51 AM UTC+10, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 7/27/2021 8:15 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
> > Five Speculative Visions of Britain in Chaos
> > https://www.tor.com/2021/07/27/five-speculative-visions-of-britain-in-chaos/
> Zero for five as usual.

Wow. I'd have thought as someone who's into post apocalypse fiction, you'd have read "Day of the Triffids" for sure. Highly recommended.

"The Lantern Bearers" is another I have a fondness for, although I haven't read it since I was a teenager. I may revisit it, I may not: I re-read "The Eagle of the Ninth" recently and it didn't hold up to my memory of it.

-Moriarty

Re: [review] Five Speculative Visions of Britain in Chaos

<sdq5s1$gsd$1@dont-email.me>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=57759&group=rec.arts.sf.written#57759

  copy link   Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: lynnmcgu...@gmail.com (Lynn McGuire)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: [review] Five Speculative Visions of Britain in Chaos
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 18:46:07 -0500
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Lines: 17
Message-ID: <sdq5s1$gsd$1@dont-email.me>
References: <sdp0u7$hu$1@reader1.panix.com> <sdpour$fsq$1@dont-email.me>
<203d01f4-d3d6-4f06-b620-eeda1e35eff4n@googlegroups.com>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Injection-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 23:46:10 -0000 (UTC)
Injection-Info: reader02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="17f24e0ff67d77df34249caeeaaf1fba";
logging-data="17293"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18Q9YnvyvVEfpn6qV4Emcmj"
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101
Thunderbird/78.12.0
Cancel-Lock: sha1:QxGsqnMZTjClE9JW4sR+i7NmANs=
In-Reply-To: <203d01f4-d3d6-4f06-b620-eeda1e35eff4n@googlegroups.com>
Content-Language: en-US
 by: Lynn McGuire - Tue, 27 Jul 2021 23:46 UTC

On 7/27/2021 6:03 PM, Moriarty wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 6:05:51 AM UTC+10, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 7/27/2021 8:15 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>>> Five Speculative Visions of Britain in Chaos
>>> https://www.tor.com/2021/07/27/five-speculative-visions-of-britain-in-chaos/
>> Zero for five as usual.
>
> Wow. I'd have thought as someone who's into post apocalypse fiction, you'd have read "Day of the Triffids" for sure. Highly recommended.
>
> "The Lantern Bearers" is another I have a fondness for, although I haven't read it since I was a teenager. I may revisit it, I may not: I re-read "The Eagle of the Ninth" recently and it didn't hold up to my memory of it.
>
> -Moriarty

Nope, I bounced off "The Day Of The Triffids" almost 50 years ago.

Lynn

1
server_pubkey.txt

rocksolid light 0.9.8
clearnet tor