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What would have been the effects of Hubert Humphrey winning the US Presidency in 1968? I'm presuming that the Vietnam War will end earlier and also that the US will not bomb Cambodia. Is Lon Nol's coup in Cambodia completely prevented? Does this completely prevent the Khmer Rouge from ever coming to power in Cambodia? After the US withdraws from Vietnam, does North Vietnam still take over South Vietnam? If so, does President Humphrey and/or his successor(s) still have the US accept a lot of Vietnamese and other Indochinese refugees? What about on domestic policy? What does President Humphrey do there? His SCOTUS picks will obviously be different from Nixon's. The outcome in Roe v. Wade might be roughly similar, but the 26th Amendment won't be necessary since SCOTUS will rule that the US Congress can achieve this goal by legislation alone. Does detente with the Soviet Union still occur? What about normalizing relations and ties with China? Could "only Nixon go to China"? And what about 1972 and 1976? Does Humphrey win reelection in 1972? And who exactly wins in 1976? VP Muskie?

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 by: WolfBear - Mon, 5 Apr 2021 04:07 UTC

On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 8:01:18 PM UTC-7, WolfBear wrote:
> What would have been the effects of Hubert Humphrey winning the US Presidency in 1968? I'm presuming that the Vietnam War will end earlier and also that the US will not bomb Cambodia. Is Lon Nol's coup in Cambodia completely prevented? Does this completely prevent the Khmer Rouge from ever coming to power in Cambodia? After the US withdraws from Vietnam, does North Vietnam still take over South Vietnam? If so, does President Humphrey and/or his successor(s) still have the US accept a lot of Vietnamese and other Indochinese refugees? What about on domestic policy? What does President Humphrey do there? His SCOTUS picks will obviously be different from Nixon's. The outcome in Roe v. Wade might be roughly similar, but the 26th Amendment won't be necessary since SCOTUS will rule that the US Congress can achieve this goal by legislation alone. Does detente with the Soviet Union still occur? What about normalizing relations and ties with China? Could "only Nixon go to China"? And what about 1972 and 1976? Does Humphrey win reelection in 1972? And who exactly wins in 1976? VP Muskie?

Does anyone here have any idea as to who Hubert Humphrey's SCOTUS picks are going to be? If he serves from 1969 to 1977, he will have a whopping five SCOTUS vacancies!

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 by: Graham Truesdale - Mon, 5 Apr 2021 22:13 UTC

On Thursday, 1 April 2021 at 04:01:18 UTC+1, WolfBear wrote:
> What would have been the effects of Hubert Humphrey winning the US Presidency in 1968? I'm presuming that the Vietnam War will end earlier and also that the US will not bomb Cambodia. Is Lon Nol's coup in Cambodia completely prevented? Does this completely prevent the Khmer Rouge from ever coming to power in Cambodia? After the US withdraws from Vietnam, does North Vietnam still take over South Vietnam? If so, does President Humphrey and/or his successor(s) still have the US accept a lot of Vietnamese and other Indochinese refugees? What about on domestic policy? What does President Humphrey do there? His SCOTUS picks will obviously be different from Nixon's. The outcome in Roe v. Wade might be roughly similar, but the 26th Amendment won't be necessary since SCOTUS will rule that the US Congress can achieve this goal by legislation alone.
>
In https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_v._Mitchell five justices (Burger, Black, Harlan, Stewart and Blackmun) said that that Congress did not have power to override state minimum voting ages for state elections. Burger and Blackmun were of course Nixon appointees. I don't think that we can assume that Humphrey's hypothetical picks will *necessarily* vote differently. NB that Black had been appointed by FDR, and had been a party to may of the Warren Court's liberalising decisions.

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 by: Graham Truesdale - Mon, 5 Apr 2021 22:19 UTC

On Monday, 5 April 2021 at 05:07:13 UTC+1, WolfBear wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 8:01:18 PM UTC-7, WolfBear wrote:
> > What would have been the effects of Hubert Humphrey winning the US Presidency in 1968? I'm presuming that the Vietnam War will end earlier and also that the US will not bomb Cambodia. Is Lon Nol's coup in Cambodia completely prevented? Does this completely prevent the Khmer Rouge from ever coming to power in Cambodia? After the US withdraws from Vietnam, does North Vietnam still take over South Vietnam? If so, does President Humphrey and/or his successor(s) still have the US accept a lot of Vietnamese and other Indochinese refugees? What about on domestic policy? What does President Humphrey do there? His SCOTUS picks will obviously be different from Nixon's. The outcome in Roe v. Wade might be roughly similar, but the 26th Amendment won't be necessary since SCOTUS will rule that the US Congress can achieve this goal by legislation alone. Does detente with the Soviet Union still occur? What about normalizing relations and ties with China? Could "only Nixon go to China"? And what about 1972 and 1976? Does Humphrey win reelection in 1972? And who exactly wins in 1976? VP Muskie?
> Does anyone here have any idea as to who Hubert Humphrey's SCOTUS picks are going to be? If he serves from 1969 to 1977, he will have a whopping five SCOTUS vacancies!
>
Or if he promotes e.g. Brennan to Chief, he will be able to appoint five Associates in addition. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Goldberg#UN_Ambassador and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Goldberg#Subsequent_career - might Goldberg be among them?

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 by: WolfBear - Mon, 5 Apr 2021 23:32 UTC

On Monday, April 5, 2021 at 3:13:19 PM UTC-7, Graham Truesdale wrote:
> On Thursday, 1 April 2021 at 04:01:18 UTC+1, WolfBear wrote:
> > What would have been the effects of Hubert Humphrey winning the US Presidency in 1968? I'm presuming that the Vietnam War will end earlier and also that the US will not bomb Cambodia. Is Lon Nol's coup in Cambodia completely prevented? Does this completely prevent the Khmer Rouge from ever coming to power in Cambodia? After the US withdraws from Vietnam, does North Vietnam still take over South Vietnam? If so, does President Humphrey and/or his successor(s) still have the US accept a lot of Vietnamese and other Indochinese refugees? What about on domestic policy? What does President Humphrey do there? His SCOTUS picks will obviously be different from Nixon's. The outcome in Roe v. Wade might be roughly similar, but the 26th Amendment won't be necessary since SCOTUS will rule that the US Congress can achieve this goal by legislation alone.
> >
> In https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_v._Mitchell five justices (Burger, Black, Harlan, Stewart and Blackmun) said that that Congress did not have power to override state minimum voting ages for state elections. Burger and Blackmun were of course Nixon appointees. I don't think that we can assume that Humphrey's hypothetical picks will *necessarily* vote differently. NB that Black had been appointed by FDR, and had been a party to may of the Warren Court's liberalising decisions.

AFAIK, Hugo Black's judicial philosophy was a bit unorthodox. He dissented in Griswold in 1965, for instance.

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 by: WolfBear - Sun, 11 Apr 2021 21:42 UTC

On Monday, April 5, 2021 at 3:19:34 PM UTC-7, Graham Truesdale wrote:
> On Monday, 5 April 2021 at 05:07:13 UTC+1, WolfBear wrote:
> > On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 8:01:18 PM UTC-7, WolfBear wrote:
> > > What would have been the effects of Hubert Humphrey winning the US Presidency in 1968? I'm presuming that the Vietnam War will end earlier and also that the US will not bomb Cambodia. Is Lon Nol's coup in Cambodia completely prevented? Does this completely prevent the Khmer Rouge from ever coming to power in Cambodia? After the US withdraws from Vietnam, does North Vietnam still take over South Vietnam? If so, does President Humphrey and/or his successor(s) still have the US accept a lot of Vietnamese and other Indochinese refugees? What about on domestic policy? What does President Humphrey do there? His SCOTUS picks will obviously be different from Nixon's. The outcome in Roe v. Wade might be roughly similar, but the 26th Amendment won't be necessary since SCOTUS will rule that the US Congress can achieve this goal by legislation alone. Does detente with the Soviet Union still occur? What about normalizing relations and ties with China? Could "only Nixon go to China"? And what about 1972 and 1976? Does Humphrey win reelection in 1972? And who exactly wins in 1976? VP Muskie?
> > Does anyone here have any idea as to who Hubert Humphrey's SCOTUS picks are going to be? If he serves from 1969 to 1977, he will have a whopping five SCOTUS vacancies!
> >
> Or if he promotes e.g. Brennan to Chief, he will be able to appoint five Associates in addition. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Goldberg#UN_Ambassador and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Goldberg#Subsequent_career - might Goldberg be among them?

Does Goldberg actually want to return to SCOTUS?

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 by: Graham Truesdale - Mon, 12 Apr 2021 21:37 UTC

On Sunday, 11 April 2021 at 22:42:43 UTC+1, WolfBear wrote:
> On Monday, April 5, 2021 at 3:19:34 PM UTC-7, Graham Truesdale wrote:
> > On Monday, 5 April 2021 at 05:07:13 UTC+1, WolfBear wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 8:01:18 PM UTC-7, WolfBear wrote:
> > > > What would have been the effects of Hubert Humphrey winning the US Presidency in 1968? I'm presuming that the Vietnam War will end earlier and also that the US will not bomb Cambodia. Is Lon Nol's coup in Cambodia completely prevented? Does this completely prevent the Khmer Rouge from ever coming to power in Cambodia? After the US withdraws from Vietnam, does North Vietnam still take over South Vietnam? If so, does President Humphrey and/or his successor(s) still have the US accept a lot of Vietnamese and other Indochinese refugees? What about on domestic policy? What does President Humphrey do there? His SCOTUS picks will obviously be different from Nixon's. The outcome in Roe v. Wade might be roughly similar, but the 26th Amendment won't be necessary since SCOTUS will rule that the US Congress can achieve this goal by legislation alone. Does detente with the Soviet Union still occur? What about normalizing relations and ties with China? Could "only Nixon go to China"? And what about 1972 and 1976? Does Humphrey win reelection in 1972? And who exactly wins in 1976? VP Muskie?
> > > Does anyone here have any idea as to who Hubert Humphrey's SCOTUS picks are going to be? If he serves from 1969 to 1977, he will have a whopping five SCOTUS vacancies!
> > >
> > Or if he promotes e.g. Brennan to Chief, he will be able to appoint five Associates in addition. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Goldberg#UN_Ambassador and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Goldberg#Subsequent_career - might Goldberg be among them?
> Does Goldberg actually want to return to SCOTUS?
>
One of the wiki articles which I quoted says that he was "Longing to return to the bench"

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Subject: Re: Hubert Humphrey wins in 1968
From: m4j...@gmail.com (WolfBear)
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 by: WolfBear - Mon, 12 Apr 2021 23:57 UTC

On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 2:37:43 PM UTC-7, Graham Truesdale wrote:
> On Sunday, 11 April 2021 at 22:42:43 UTC+1, WolfBear wrote:
> > On Monday, April 5, 2021 at 3:19:34 PM UTC-7, Graham Truesdale wrote:
> > > On Monday, 5 April 2021 at 05:07:13 UTC+1, WolfBear wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 8:01:18 PM UTC-7, WolfBear wrote:
> > > > > What would have been the effects of Hubert Humphrey winning the US Presidency in 1968? I'm presuming that the Vietnam War will end earlier and also that the US will not bomb Cambodia. Is Lon Nol's coup in Cambodia completely prevented? Does this completely prevent the Khmer Rouge from ever coming to power in Cambodia? After the US withdraws from Vietnam, does North Vietnam still take over South Vietnam? If so, does President Humphrey and/or his successor(s) still have the US accept a lot of Vietnamese and other Indochinese refugees? What about on domestic policy? What does President Humphrey do there? His SCOTUS picks will obviously be different from Nixon's. The outcome in Roe v. Wade might be roughly similar, but the 26th Amendment won't be necessary since SCOTUS will rule that the US Congress can achieve this goal by legislation alone. Does detente with the Soviet Union still occur? What about normalizing relations and ties with China? Could "only Nixon go to China"? And what about 1972 and 1976? Does Humphrey win reelection in 1972? And who exactly wins in 1976? VP Muskie?
> > > > Does anyone here have any idea as to who Hubert Humphrey's SCOTUS picks are going to be? If he serves from 1969 to 1977, he will have a whopping five SCOTUS vacancies!
> > > >
> > > Or if he promotes e.g. Brennan to Chief, he will be able to appoint five Associates in addition. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Goldberg#UN_Ambassador and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Goldberg#Subsequent_career - might Goldberg be among them?
> > Does Goldberg actually want to return to SCOTUS?
> >
> One of the wiki articles which I quoted says that he was "Longing to return to the bench"

Thanks!

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