Dan Koren schrieb am Samstag, 17. Juni 2023 um 08:10:24 UTC+2:
> On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 10:12:33 PM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> >
> > Now I think it's funny and ironic how Herman,
> > who always goes crazy about Dan's supposed
> > sexism, stays quiet on this...
> Herman uses different standards for different
> people. His "narcissism" and "racism" meters
> are only triggered by my name -- and nothing
> else.

It is ofc true that Herman has double standards and fails to see things objectively very often or in most cases, but the same can be said of you; you both show quite a few narcissistic traits btw... but as far as my experience goes, you seem more likeable and you have a better taste.

Imagine if Trump had said publicly that he was disappointed that 16/17yo girls would not perform nude in an opera... Oh, man, we can be sure... Gerard, Herman, the NBC, the NYT would all go crazy about this... but since it's Howie it's all fine ;)

> > I think Dan may have a thing for asian ladies,
> Nope. Herman is inventing facts to fit theories.
>

I didn't get this idea from Herman... It's also not meant in a bad way. It just seems to me that you have a liking for asian women, while say Herman and I are more into caucasian women. How much your preference affects your evulations of performances I can't say and I don't really care... Now you don't need to explain to me that you also like other women besides asian women, I am just speaking of preference... I might be wrong.

> If he wanted to know the truth, he could simply
> count all the recommendations I posted to this
> ng over 30+ years and sort out the percentages.
>
> Plenty of pianists I highlighted were not women,
> not young, not Asian, not long haired. Some even
> had no hair at all -- check Weissenberg, Richter,
> Yakov Zak or Ugorsky.

I know, I'm not arguing what you think I am arguing...

>
> Herman is also confused by statistics. Over
> the past 5 decades, the number of women in
> the top tiers of piano and violin performance
> has grown considerably, and their relative
> percentage vs. men has also increased.
>
> Herman unwittingly admitted as much when
> he "predicted" an increase in the number of
> women in classical orchestras. Likewise, the
> fraction of Asian musicians in the top tiers of
> classical music performance has also risen
> dramatically, and will keep growing. Some of
> them are truly extraordinary, e.g. HJ Lim, or
> Soyoung Yoon, or Kyu Hee Park, or Jasmine
> Choi.

We won't agree on HJ Lim - Dan, if she was "extraordinary", she would have never agreed to play with Norrington (I would think extraordinary musicians would realize what a crappy conductor he is... I mean his Mozart just sucks) and she would never have played Mozart that awfully... not even talking abotu her Bach or Beethoven... or Brahms... or Liszt...

I'll check out the other 3 names.

>
> Others are "merely" excellent, e.g. Yeol Eum
> Son, Alice Sara Ott, Bomsori Kim, or Clara
> Jumi Kang. How would one possibly fail
> to notice them -- except for Herman's
> sexit racist misogynistic blinders ?!?

Sorry, but I don't notice them either ;D for different reasons than Herman I think. YES is the best of the ones you mentioned and that I heard, but she is no Schnabel or Richter or Pletnev or Volodos...

> > but I have never seen him say crazy stuff as
> > wanting see underage girls perform nude in
> > an opera... but since Howie talks nicely and
> > smoothly, he is a good guy, right? Ofc...
> My only interests are piano music and piano
> performances. I couldn't care less about the
> performers' gender, age, looks or anything
> else. I do tend to grant extra points to young
> talent, and to pianists with small(er) hands.
>

Dan... time for some _self-reflection_... think about what you tried to tell me about 90 yo Pressler's 595... and then look at the topics you created: 80yo Pressler, 90 yo Pressler, 94 yo Pressler etc...

> The reasons should be obvious. Pianists
> with small hands performing repertoire
> written by composers with large hands
> are often nothing short of miracles. Just
> take a look at AdL playing Rachmaninov
> or Albeniz, or CYH playing Rachmaninov
> or Scriabin.

I think it's wrong to grant them extra points for this; it only comes down to the music. Volodos does not seem to have big hands to me, certainly nowhere close to Liszt's hands... but he's probably moer flawless than Liszt haha...
>
> Regarding dress (or lack thereof) I do
> not care in any way. Most of the time I
> listen without watching, if for no other
> reason than the fact that I listen while
> doing other work.

I did not want to imply this.

>
> As an aside, the only women I've ever
> had crushes on are or were freckled
> red haired Eastern European ladies
> with greenish blue eyes (or blueish
> green eyes).

Seems I was wrong in my assumption.

>
> dk

On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 2:22:30 AM UTC+1, Oscar wrote:
> I recall herman was a fan of McCawley's SOMM discs. This was perhaps 10+ years ago. I never did elect to purchase any of the titles on CD, even through Berkshire Record Outlet. Did sample the Haydn and Schumann on AppleMusic. It was okay.

I think the Schumann, at least DBT, is thoughtful when it needs to be thoughtful and extrovert when it needs to be extrovert. It’s one of the better DBTs. This guy McCawley is the real deal, he can make music.

On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 5:23:15 PM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
> On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 2:22:30 AM UTC+1, Oscar wrote:
> > I recall herman was a fan of McCawley's SOMM discs. This was perhaps 10+ years ago. I never did elect to purchase any of the titles on CD, even through Berkshire Record Outlet. Did sample the Haydn and Schumann on AppleMusic. It was okay.
> I think the Schumann, at least DBT, is thoughtful when it needs to be thoughtful and extrovert when it needs to be extrovert. It’s one of the better DBTs. This guy McCawley is the real deal, he can make music.

I may even try his Haydn soon. There’s even some Chopin!

On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 5:23:15 PM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
> On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 2:22:30 AM UTC+1, Oscar wrote:
> > I recall herman was a fan of McCawley's SOMM discs. This was perhaps 10+ years ago. I never did elect to purchase any of the titles on CD, even through Berkshire Record Outlet. Did sample the Haydn and Schumann on AppleMusic. It was okay.
> I think the Schumann, at least DBT, is thoughtful when it needs to be thoughtful and extrovert when it needs to be extrovert. It’s one of the better DBTs. This guy McCawley is the real deal, he can make music.

And another thing: good tone, well recorded. Insightful touch and phrasing too.

He’s someone who really should be in the big league but somehow missed the boat.

On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 6:23:15 PM UTC+2, Mandryka wrote:

> It’s one of the better DBTs. This guy McCawley is the real deal, he can make music.

I agree.

On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 9:24:10 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
>
> I may even try his Haydn soon.

Forget McCawley. He is a mediocre pianist.

The top Haydn sonata sets are Ekaterina
Derzhavina's and Lubov Timoefeyeva's:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mv16hCTAGS8VWaXS2-OTn8XkyOM1ya3Fw

https://youtu.be/3yCFP79P7Gg

Most important: learn something
about piano performance, which
is a lot more than pressing keys
by the beats of a metronome.

dk

On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 9:23:15 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
>
> I think the Schumann, at least DBT, is thoughtful when it
> needs to be thoughtful and extrovert when it needs to be
> extrovert.

You are applying again literary psycho babbling terms to
describe music. You really need to cut off the part of your
brain that stores such words.

> It’s one of the better DBTs.

"Better" compared to what? And by whose criteria?
Your throwing sand into our ears. You should keep
the sand inside your own ears/

> This guy McCawley is the real deal,

"Real deal" for what? Firewood appreciation?

> he can make music.

ROTFL !!! McCawley is a sewing machine.

dk