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* Resublimated Asimovted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
+* Re: Resublimated AsimovDorothy J Heydt
|+* Re: Resublimated AsimovScott Lurndal
||`- Re: Resublimated AsimovDorothy J Heydt
|+- Re: Resublimated AsimovMichael F. Stemper
|+* Re: Resublimated AsimovRoss Presser
||`- Re: Resublimated AsimovDorothy J Heydt
|`- Re: Resublimated AsimovQuadibloc
+* Re: Resublimated AsimovLynn McGuire
|+- Re: Resublimated AsimovQuadibloc
|`* Re: Resublimated AsimovDimensional Traveler
| `- Re: Resublimated AsimovLynn McGuire
+- Re: Resublimated AsimovQuadibloc
+* Re: Resublimated AsimovTitus G
|`- Re: Resublimated AsimovDimensional Traveler
`* Re: Resublimated AsimovBill Gill
 `- Re: Resublimated AsimovDon

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 by: ted@loft.tnolan.com - Mon, 2 Aug 2021 18:05 UTC

OK, I don't understand this at all, but you know where my mind went:

www.yahoo.com/entertainment/google-time-crystal-discovery-big-170941870.html
--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..

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 by: Dorothy J Heydt - Mon, 2 Aug 2021 19:25 UTC

In article <imqqfoFs1dvU1@mid.individual.net>,
Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>OK, I don't understand this at all, but you know where my mind went:

No, I don't understand it either (so I've forwarded it to Hal),
and no, I don't know where your mind went.

> www.yahoo.com/entertainment/google-time-crystal-discovery-big-170941870.html

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:
>In article <imqqfoFs1dvU1@mid.individual.net>,
>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>OK, I don't understand this at all, but you know where my mind went:
>
>No, I don't understand it either (so I've forwarded it to Hal),
>and no, I don't know where your mind went.

The time crystal basically defies the second law of thermodynamics.

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 by: Michael F. Stemper - Mon, 2 Aug 2021 20:05 UTC

On 02/08/2021 14.25, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <imqqfoFs1dvU1@mid.individual.net>,
> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>> OK, I don't understand this at all, but you know where my mind went:
>
> No, I don't understand it either (so I've forwarded it to Hal),
> and no, I don't know where your mind went.

His mind most likely went to:
<http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?68253>

--
Michael F. Stemper
There's no "me" in "team". There's no "us" in "team", either.

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On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 3:40:04 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <imqqfo...@mid.individual.net>,
> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
> >OK, I don't understand this at all, but you know where my mind went:
> No, I don't understand it either (so I've forwarded it to Hal),
> and no, I don't know where your mind went.
>
> > www.yahoo.com/entertainment/google-time-crystal-discovery-big-170941870.html
>
> --

His mind went to Isaac Asimov's writings on thiotimoline:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiotimoline

> Thiotimoline is a fictitious chemical compound conceived by American biochemist
> and science fiction author Isaac Asimov. It was first described in a spoof scientific
> paper titled "The Endochronic Properties of Resublimated Thiotimoline" in 1948. The
> major peculiarity of the chemical is its "endochronicity": it starts dissolving before it
> makes contact with water.

> Asimov went on to write three additional short stories, each describing different
> properties or uses of thiotimoline.

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Mon, 2 Aug 2021 20:17 UTC

On 8/2/2021 1:05 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> OK, I don't understand this at all, but you know where my mind went:
>
> www.yahoo.com/entertainment/google-time-crystal-discovery-big-170941870.html

Anything mentioning perpetual motion goes into the bit bucket
immediately with me. I am a firm believer in entropy.

Lynn

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On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 1:40:04 PM UTC-6, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:

> and no, I don't know where your mind went.

To the series of stories by Isaac Asimov which began with "The Endochronic
Properties of Resublimated Thiotimoline", of course!

John Savard

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On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 2:17:33 PM UTC-6, Lynn McGuire wrote:

> Anything mentioning perpetual motion goes into the bit bucket
> immediately with me. I am a firm believer in entropy.

Don't worry. There is an outside energy input.

Therefore, time crystals don't violate thermodynamics any
more than evolution does.

John Savard

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On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 12:05:48 PM UTC-6, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> OK, I don't understand this at all,

I don't blame you. The article totally made a hash of any technical content
it presumed to include. Try starting here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_crystal

John Savard

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 by: Dorothy J Heydt - Mon, 2 Aug 2021 23:14 UTC

In article <mUXNI.12807$4q3.2757@fx12.iad>,
Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:
>>In article <imqqfoFs1dvU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>OK, I don't understand this at all, but you know where my mind went:
>>
>>No, I don't understand it either (so I've forwarded it to Hal),
>>and no, I don't know where your mind went.
>
>The time crystal basically defies the second law of thermodynamics.

Okay. Richard Lupoff wrote a book once (I have carefully
forgotten the title) in which he defied all three.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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 by: Dorothy J Heydt - Mon, 2 Aug 2021 23:15 UTC

In article <1556b921-6d13-469d-a420-31593e8319a7n@googlegroups.com>,
Ross Presser <rpresser@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 3:40:04 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <imqqfo...@mid.individual.net>,
>> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>> >OK, I don't understand this at all, but you know where my mind went:
>> No, I don't understand it either (so I've forwarded it to Hal),
>> and no, I don't know where your mind went.
>>
>> >
>www.yahoo.com/entertainment/google-time-crystal-discovery-big-170941870.html
>
>>
>> --
>
>His mind went to Isaac Asimov's writings on thiotimoline:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiotimoline
>
>> Thiotimoline is a fictitious chemical compound conceived by American
>biochemist
>> and science fiction author Isaac Asimov. It was first described in a
>spoof scientific
>> paper titled "The Endochronic Properties of Resublimated Thiotimoline"
>in 1948. The
>> major peculiarity of the chemical is its "endochronicity": it starts
>dissolving before it
>> makes contact with water.
>
>> Asimov went on to write three additional short stories, each
>describing different
>> properties or uses of thiotimoline.

And I read them all. Lovely stuff.

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 by: Dimensional Traveler - Tue, 3 Aug 2021 00:08 UTC

On 8/2/2021 1:17 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 8/2/2021 1:05 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
>> OK, I don't understand this at all, but you know where my mind went:
>>
>>
>> www.yahoo.com/entertainment/google-time-crystal-discovery-big-170941870.html
>>
>
> Anything mentioning perpetual motion goes into the bit bucket
> immediately with me.  I am a firm believer in entropy.
>
But does entropy believe in you?

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 by: Titus G - Tue, 3 Aug 2021 00:18 UTC

On 3/08/21 6:05 am, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> OK, I don't understand this at all, but you know where my mind went:
>
> www.yahoo.com/entertainment/google-time-crystal-discovery-big-170941870.html
>

I think I understood it just as well as the person who wrote it.

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Tue, 3 Aug 2021 02:33 UTC

On 8/2/2021 7:08 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 8/2/2021 1:17 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 8/2/2021 1:05 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
>>> OK, I don't understand this at all, but you know where my mind went:
>>>
>>> www.yahoo.com/entertainment/google-time-crystal-discovery-big-170941870.html
>>>
>>
>> Anything mentioning perpetual motion goes into the bit bucket
>> immediately with me.  I am a firm believer in entropy.
>>
> But does entropy believe in you?

Definitely. I am definitely not the man I was 20 years ago.

Lynn

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On 8/2/2021 5:18 PM, Titus G wrote:
> On 3/08/21 6:05 am, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
>> OK, I don't understand this at all, but you know where my mind went:
>>
>> www.yahoo.com/entertainment/google-time-crystal-discovery-big-170941870.html
>>
>
> I think I understood it just as well as the person who wrote it.
>
I got the impression that even the people who think they might have
found it don't really understand it.

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 by: Bill Gill - Tue, 3 Aug 2021 13:12 UTC

On 8/2/2021 1:05 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
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>
> www.yahoo.com/entertainment/google-time-crystal-discovery-big-170941870.html
>
The first time I saw mention of time crystals I immediately thought;
"That's not new Asimov wrote a paper about time crystals back in the
50s."

Bill

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Bill Gill wrote:
> Ted Nolan wrote:
>> OK, I don't understand this at all, but you know where my mind went:
>>
>> www.yahoo.com/entertainment/google-time-crystal-discovery-big-170941870.html
>>
> The first time I saw mention of time crystals I immediately thought;
> "That's not new Asimov wrote a paper about time crystals back in the
> 50s."

Chris Smith's story at the link plays it straight with story originally
written by _Financial Times_ contributor Tristan Greene:

https://thenextweb.com/news/google-may-have-achieved-breakthrough-time-crystals

Perhaps Greene already knew about thiotimoline when he wrote his
article. Regardless, at times, Greene's prose packs a Golden Age punch:

At the far-fetched, super-optimistic end of things - we could
see the creation of a working warp drive in our lifetimes.
Imagine taking a trip to Mars or the edge of our solar system,
and being back home on Earth in time to catch the evening news.

But, why stop short? Is this the true limit of Greene's imagination?
If he's going to kick the second law of thermodynamics to the curb, the
least he can do is throw time travel fen a bone:

"You, Lucy, shall be the victim of entropy!" he said
softly. "Naturally, you don't know what entropy is, do you?"
"You know I don't!" she shrieked. "Bryce, stop torturing
me like this. Let me go!"
"Entropy," he stated calmly, as though delivering a
lecture, "is the increasing disorder of the universe, the
process by which the universe gradually moves towards
thermodynamic equilibrium. It can be likened to a perpetual
shuffling, the disorder getting worse with every shuffle.
Just like disordering a deck of cards when playing bridge
with Reggie and you[r] thin-brained friends."
"Bryce, Bryce, in God's name--"
"If only you had read Eddington while at school you
might know something about entropy," Bryce Field said.
"However, I have made it as clear as I can. Recently--
His tone changed to grim menace-- "I fell into wondering
what would happen if I created a non-entropy state, wherein
nothing ever happened! So I decided to create a specific
area--in this cavern to be exact--wherein the ultimate of
entropy would be reached instantly, instead of in a thousand,
a million, ten million years' time. Do you understand me?
Lucy was beyond answering.
"Yes," he said, his voice harsh with grim triumph, "I
discovered how to create an entropy globe--a globe of force
whose walls have attained absolute equilibrium, whose
vibrations extend inwards to everything inside the globe.
Therefore, whatever is in the globe will be plunged into a
state of non-time. Entropy will be halted. Progress will
stop!
"You," he said slowly, "are going to be in that globe,
Lucy! At your feet is one magnet, at your head another.
Between them they will build up the hemisphere of the
entropy globe, and within it time for you will cease to be.
You will be plunged into an eternal 'now' from which
release may never come--or, if it does, it will be at a far
distant time when scientists as clever as I find the way to
unlock your prison."
"Bryce, I beg of you," Lucy implored huskily. "Let me
go! I'll do anything you want! Anything! I'll divorce
Reggie-- But you can't do this to me! I've so much to live
for. My baby, the future. /You can't do it!/"

"Prisoner of Time" (Cross, May 1942)

There's a titular association in my mind to the very first
_Perry Rhodan_ Ace Ackerman Anglicization read by me, the
„Im Zeit-Gefängnis“ translation.

Danke,

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