On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 6:10:07 PM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 15:05:16 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
> <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

> >The voters of the United States, whose sons (and, to some extent, daughters)
> >fight and die on foreign lands are *also* losing their patience with this sort of
> >thing.

> But they don't have a means of stopping it.

It's true they haven't _had_ a means of doing so, back when the Cold War had
rock-solid bipartisan support. However, as Trump getting elected proved, the
people of the U.S. are able to bring about radical political change through the
ballot box, should they be determined to do so.

> If the US is the only ally that Israel, Taiwan, and South Korea have
> then they deserve whatever happens to them. And if the South Koreans,
> with an economy 100 times that of North Korea, can't hammer them to
> slag in short order, they've got something wrong with them.

The previous Korean War went along quite well for a time, until
China intervened. China has the Bomb, South Korea doesn't. The
implications of this distinction seem not to be apparent to you.

> The world got along just fine without the US policing it, and our
> style of policing the world is no better than our style of policing
> ourselves.

The world did get along just fine, for a certain value of "fine",
before 1914. However, we are not now living in that era.

John Savard

On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 6:17:10 PM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 14:47:15 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
> <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

> >The Afghan regime told Biden not to evacuate people ahead of time, as it would cause panic.
> >So Biden believed that the Afghan forces would continue the fight in the absence of Americans.

> Which show's he's an idiot, not that I had much doubt on that score.

> >This can be blamed on his naivete. Afghan soldiers, unlike U.S. soldiers, have their wives and
> >children *living in Afghanistan*. As the Taliban are terrorists themselves...

> If the President of the United States, who has been a politician for
> nearly half a century, was vice-president for 8 years, and before that
> was head of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee for 12 years, is
> _that_ naive we need to give up on this "democracy" nonsense.

I must admit you have a point.

I suppose I was thinking that allowing deliberate lies in this area, for the
sake of diplomacy and convention, rather than attempting to open a
rather complicated can of worms, would just make things similar.

American money was spent on military equipment given to Afghan forces.

The reason for this was simple enough: so that not all the fighting and
dying would be done by American boys.

While there were young women in Afghanistan who welcomed progress,
I suppose most of the adult males in Afghanistan... wanted a conservative
Muslim nation, not _quite_ as strict as what the Taliban would impose,
but close enough that they might indeed have found it preferable
to a *corrupt* pro-Western government.

But basically, the cause of Afghanistan's immediate downfall is the same
as that of South Vietnam's: while it might have seemed that the nation
had the military capability of winning the war, there was no certainty
that the enemy would not be able to obtain additional resources from
outside...

and there was the apparent certainty that, with the United States out,
if things _did_ "go south", there would be nothing to stop it.

So the apparent logic was: surrender now, avoid the rush.

John Savard

In article <f48064c4-0004-4c65-b884-453be1b74c5cn@googlegroups.com>,
Andrew McDowell <mcdowell_ag@sky.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 6:51:15 PM UTC+1, J. Clarke wrote:
> > On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 17:22:32 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
> > Heydt) wrote:
> >
> > >In article <489873c2-c577-4746...@googlegroups.com>,
> > >Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> > >>On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:32:38 AM UTC-6, Jonathan wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Oct 11, 2020
> > >>> Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
> > >>> phone interview
> > >>>
> > >>> "We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election
> > >>> because he has proved himself a politician who accomplished
> > >>> all the major promises he had made to American people, although
> > >>> he might have missed some small things, but did accomplish
> > >>> the bigger promises, so it is possible that the U.S. people
> > >>> who experienced deceptions in the past will once again
> > >>> trust Trump for his decisive actions."
> > >>>
> > >>https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-elec
> > >>tion-withdraw-us-troops/
> > >>>
> > >>> Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
> > >>
> > >>No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of the
> > >>small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out the
> > >>population of the U.S..
> > >
> > >So,
> > >
> > >(a) What is the incidence of COVID infections/deaths in
> > >Afghanistan at present?
> > >
> > >(b) What's it going to be like six months from now?
> > This is one area where the Taliban might not be all bad. They are
> > requiring half the population to wear masks after all. Incidentally,
> > early in the pandemic, when masks were hard to come by and even
> > elastic to make them was scarce, I got a couple of shemaghs (the real
> > deal, made in Palestine by Arabs) and found them comfortable and
> > apparently efficacious (I did not as far as I know get COVID, although
> > I did get _something_ rather nasty right around that time that leaves
> > me wondering).
> The Taliban are one of the few groups to have real grounds to be suspicious
> of vaccination (thanks to the CIA collecting intelligence under this cover).
> Afghanistan is going to be a really good example of why we cannot hope to
> wipe out covid.
>
> ObSF - the middle of the song of the Line Marines from Falkenberg's Legion
>
> The Senate decrees, the Grand Admiral calls,
> The orders come down from on high.
> It's 'on full kits' and 'sound board ships',
> We're sending you where you can die.
> The lands that we take, the Senate gives back,
> rather more often than not.
>
> (Is that the influence of Vietnam? I can't imagine that Pournelle got it from
> any Imperialist model)

What about Kipling's "Tommy"?

--
"We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_.
—-----------------------------------------------------
Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 17:27:44 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
<jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

>On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 6:10:07 PM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 15:05:16 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
>> <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>> >The voters of the United States, whose sons (and, to some extent, daughters)
>> >fight and die on foreign lands are *also* losing their patience with this sort of
>> >thing.
>
>> But they don't have a means of stopping it.
>
>It's true they haven't _had_ a means of doing so, back when the Cold War had
>rock-solid bipartisan support. However, as Trump getting elected proved, the
>people of the U.S. are able to bring about radical political change through the
>ballot box, should they be determined to do so.

If you call electing someone who makes Hammy the Squirrel look like
the epitome of sweet reason "radical political change". In point of
fact nothing about US politics changed.

>> If the US is the only ally that Israel, Taiwan, and South Korea have
>> then they deserve whatever happens to them. And if the South Koreans,
>> with an economy 100 times that of North Korea, can't hammer them to
>> slag in short order, they've got something wrong with them.
>
>The previous Korean War went along quite well for a time, until
>China intervened. China has the Bomb, South Korea doesn't. The
>implications of this distinction seem not to be apparent to you.

If South Korea doesn't have the bomb and needs it that's on them. If
North Korea can do it, South Korea, with a vastly larger economy and a
real technological base, should have little trouble doing it.

>> The world got along just fine without the US policing it, and our
>> style of policing the world is no better than our style of policing
>> ourselves.
>
>The world did get along just fine, for a certain value of "fine",
>before 1914. However, we are not now living in that era.

Not our problem. If Europe burns because the Europeans are too cheap
to defend themselves, to Hell with them. Ditto Asia.

On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 17:40:55 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
<jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

>On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 6:17:10 PM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 14:47:15 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
>> <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>> >The Afghan regime told Biden not to evacuate people ahead of time, as it would cause panic.
>> >So Biden believed that the Afghan forces would continue the fight in the absence of Americans.
>
>> Which show's he's an idiot, not that I had much doubt on that score.
>
>> >This can be blamed on his naivete. Afghan soldiers, unlike U.S. soldiers, have their wives and
>> >children *living in Afghanistan*. As the Taliban are terrorists themselves...
>
>> If the President of the United States, who has been a politician for
>> nearly half a century, was vice-president for 8 years, and before that
>> was head of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee for 12 years, is
>> _that_ naive we need to give up on this "democracy" nonsense.
>
>I must admit you have a point.
>
>I suppose I was thinking that allowing deliberate lies in this area, for the
>sake of diplomacy and convention, rather than attempting to open a
>rather complicated can of worms, would just make things similar.
>
>American money was spent on military equipment given to Afghan forces.
>
>The reason for this was simple enough: so that not all the fighting and
>dying would be done by American boys.
>
>While there were young women in Afghanistan who welcomed progress,
>I suppose most of the adult males in Afghanistan... wanted a conservative
>Muslim nation, not _quite_ as strict as what the Taliban would impose,
>but close enough that they might indeed have found it preferable
>to a *corrupt* pro-Western government.
>
>But basically, the cause of Afghanistan's immediate downfall is the same
>as that of South Vietnam's: while it might have seemed that the nation
>had the military capability of winning the war, there was no certainty
>that the enemy would not be able to obtain additional resources from
>outside...

The cause of Afghanistan's downfall was exactly the same as Vietnam.
The people we were "saving" didn't want to be saved and to them the
highest good was getting the damned stupid Americans out of their
country.

>and there was the apparent certainty that, with the United States out,
>if things _did_ "go south", there would be nothing to stop it.
>
>So the apparent logic was: surrender now, avoid the rush.
>
>John Savard

J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in
news:8q8phg5518dbm5g1co6145v2t09g35ucrg@4ax.com:

> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 17:40:55 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
> <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>>On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 6:17:10 PM UTC-6, J. Clarke
>>wrote:
>>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 14:47:15 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
>>> <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> >The Afghan regime told Biden not to evacuate people ahead of
>>> >time, as it would cause panic. So Biden believed that the
>>> >Afghan forces would continue the fight in the absence of
>>> >Americans.
>>
>>> Which show's he's an idiot, not that I had much doubt on that
>>> score.
>>
>>> >This can be blamed on his naivete. Afghan soldiers, unlike
>>> >U.S. soldiers, have their wives and children *living in
>>> >Afghanistan*. As the Taliban are terrorists themselves...
>>
>>> If the President of the United States, who has been a
>>> politician for nearly half a century, was vice-president for 8
>>> years, and before that was head of the Senate Foreign
>>> Relations Committee for 12 years, is _that_ naive we need to
>>> give up on this "democracy" nonsense.
>>
>>I must admit you have a point.
>>
>>I suppose I was thinking that allowing deliberate lies in this
>>area, for the sake of diplomacy and convention, rather than
>>attempting to open a rather complicated can of worms, would just
>>make things similar.
>>
>>American money was spent on military equipment given to Afghan
>>forces.
>>
>>The reason for this was simple enough: so that not all the
>>fighting and dying would be done by American boys.
>>
>>While there were young women in Afghanistan who welcomed
>>progress, I suppose most of the adult males in Afghanistan...
>>wanted a conservative Muslim nation, not _quite_ as strict as
>>what the Taliban would impose, but close enough that they might
>>indeed have found it preferable to a *corrupt* pro-Western
>>government.
>>
>>But basically, the cause of Afghanistan's immediate downfall is
>>the same as that of South Vietnam's: while it might have seemed
>>that the nation had the military capability of winning the war,
>>there was no certainty that the enemy would not be able to
>>obtain additional resources from outside...
>
> The cause of Afghanistan's downfall was exactly the same as
> Vietnam. The people we were "saving" didn't want to be saved and
> to them the highest good was getting the damned stupid Americans
> out of their country.
>
I'm skeptical that the 12 year old girls currently being sold into
sexual slavery would agree with you.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

On 8/17/2021 2:51 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 8/17/2021 11:02 AM, Quadibloc wrote:
>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:32:38 AM UTC-6, Jonathan wrote:
>>
>>> Oct 11, 2020
>>> Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
>>> phone interview
>>>
>>> "We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election
>>> because he has proved himself a politician who accomplished
>>> all the major promises he had made to American people, although
>>> he might have missed some small things, but did accomplish
>>> the bigger promises, so it is possible that the U.S. people
>>> who experienced deceptions in the past will once again
>>> trust Trump for his decisive actions."
>>> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
>>>
>>>
>>> Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
>>
>> No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of the
>> small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out the
>> population of the U.S..
>>
>> John Savard
>
> The Omega version of the Covid has not been released yet.
>
> Lynn
>

I heard Fauci and the Reptilian Elite are close to
producing a far more contagious strain to release
upon the world, called the Omegaredstates Strain.

That way Fauci can have time to finish his book
before it's over.

--
BIG LIE From Wiki - "The German expression was coined by Adolf Hitler
when he dictated his 1925 book Mein Kampf, to describe the use of a lie
so *colossal* that no one would believe that someone "could have the
impudence to distort the truth so infamously."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie

Jonathan <writeInstead@Gmail.com> wrote in
news:ZKGdnRn8AaVzuID8nZ2dnUU7-d3NnZ2d@giganews.com:

> On 8/17/2021 2:51 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 8/17/2021 11:02 AM, Quadibloc wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:32:38 AM UTC-6, Jonathan
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oct 11, 2020
>>>> Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
>>>> phone interview
>>>>
>>>> "We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election
>>>> because he has proved himself a politician who accomplished
>>>> all the major promises he had made to American people,
>>>> although he might have missed some small things, but did
>>>> accomplish the bigger promises, so it is possible that the
>>>> U.S. people who experienced deceptions in the past will once
>>>> again trust Trump for his decisive actions."
>>>> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-
>>>> win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
>>>
>>> No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of the
>>> small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out the
>>> population of the U.S..
>>>
>>> John Savard
>>
>> The Omega version of the Covid has not been released yet.
>>
>> Lynn
>>
>
>
> I heard Fauci and the Reptilian Elite are close to
> producing a far more contagious strain to release
> upon the world, called the Omegaredstates Strain.
>
> That way Fauci can have time to finish his book
> before it's over.
>
Sadly, it is implausible that you are not 100% serious.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 9:23:21 AM UTC-6, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> J. Clarke <jclarke...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:8q8phg5518dbm5g1c...@4ax.com:

> > The cause of Afghanistan's downfall was exactly the same as
> > Vietnam. The people we were "saving" didn't want to be saved and
> > to them the highest good was getting the damned stupid Americans
> > out of their country.

> I'm skeptical that the 12 year old girls currently being sold into
> sexual slavery would agree with you.

I would agree with that statement, but I would also say it's irrelevant as
a reply to J. Clarke's statement. It's what the adult males who made up
the personnel of the Afghan military units - so many of which folded so
quickly - wanted that explains what happened.

I think that if even the adult males had their druthers, they would have
a preference other than a Taliban victory. A genuinely democratic
government that was not corrupt - Islamic, but not excessively strict.

However, it's very hard to have a government that isn't corrupt in a poor
country. Latin America can't even manage it for the most part.

John Savard

On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 13:57:44 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 8/17/2021 1:01 PM, Andrew McDowell wrote:
>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 6:51:15 PM UTC+1, J. Clarke wrote:
>>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 17:22:32 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>>> Heydt) wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <489873c2-c577-4746...@googlegroups.com>,
>>>> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:32:38 AM UTC-6, Jonathan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oct 11, 2020
>>>>>> Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
>>>>>> phone interview
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election
>>>>>> because he has proved himself a politician who accomplished
>>>>>> all the major promises he had made to American people, although
>>>>>> he might have missed some small things, but did accomplish
>>>>>> the bigger promises, so it is possible that the U.S. people
>>>>>> who experienced deceptions in the past will once again
>>>>>> trust Trump for his decisive actions."
>>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
>>>>>
>>>>> No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of the
>>>>> small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out the
>>>>> population of the U.S..
>>>>
>>>> So,
>>>>
>>>> (a) What is the incidence of COVID infections/deaths in
>>>> Afghanistan at present?
>>>>
>>>> (b) What's it going to be like six months from now?
>>> This is one area where the Taliban might not be all bad. They are
>>> requiring half the population to wear masks after all. Incidentally,
>>> early in the pandemic, when masks were hard to come by and even
>>> elastic to make them was scarce, I got a couple of shemaghs (the real
>>> deal, made in Palestine by Arabs) and found them comfortable and
>>> apparently efficacious (I did not as far as I know get COVID, although
>>> I did get _something_ rather nasty right around that time that leaves
>>> me wondering).
>> The Taliban are one of the few groups to have real grounds to be suspicious of vaccination (thanks to the CIA collecting intelligence under this cover). Afghanistan is going to be a really good example of why we cannot hope to wipe out covid.
>>
>> ObSF - the middle of the song of the Line Marines from Falkenberg's Legion
>>
>> The Senate decrees, the Grand Admiral calls,
>> The orders come down from on high.
>> It's 'on full kits' and 'sound board ships',
>> We're sending you where you can die.
>> The lands that we take, the Senate gives back,
>> rather more often than not.
>>
>> (Is that the influence of Vietnam? I can't imagine that Pournelle got it from any Imperialist model)
>
>Jerry Pournelle was a Korean War era veteran of the USA Army. Officer
>in the Artillery if I remember correctly.

Kipling's "Tommy" <http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_tommy.htm>
might almost have served as a model.

I became aware of "Tommy" because a mechanical Dudley Doright uses

For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an` Chuck him out, the brute! "
But it's " Saviour of 'is country " when the guns begin to shoot;

as one it it's three recorded bits of conversation in the one episode
he appears in.

Dubious treatment of soldiers is something that goes back a long long
way.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 11:16:42 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
<taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:

>Not to mention, Obama was CiC for twice as long as Trump, so he's
>twice as responsible for the mistakes made there.

Bush 2 has to be considered also ... giving the Republicans 11-12
years to the Dem's 8-9.

And, BTW, it was a /Republican/ who decided to stay after the Taliban
was evicted.

And I wouldn't be too sure Trump would even have tried to get any
Afghans out. After all, they aren't Norwegians, and he /is/ a racist.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 08:55:53 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
<jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

>On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 9:23:21 AM UTC-6, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>> J. Clarke <jclarke...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:8q8phg5518dbm5g1c...@4ax.com:
>
>> > The cause of Afghanistan's downfall was exactly the same as
>> > Vietnam. The people we were "saving" didn't want to be saved and
>> > to them the highest good was getting the damned stupid Americans
>> > out of their country.
>
>> I'm skeptical that the 12 year old girls currently being sold into
>> sexual slavery would agree with you.
>
>I would agree with that statement, but I would also say it's irrelevant as
>a reply to J. Clarke's statement. It's what the adult males who made up
>the personnel of the Afghan military units - so many of which folded so
>quickly - wanted that explains what happened.
>
>I think that if even the adult males had their druthers, they would have
>a preference other than a Taliban victory. A genuinely democratic
>government that was not corrupt - Islamic, but not excessively strict.
>
>However, it's very hard to have a government that isn't corrupt in a poor
>country. Latin America can't even manage it for the most part.

Note that in Japan 12 year old girls voluntarily enter into sexual
slavery for certain values of "slavery". This is completely legal in
the less touristy areas of the country--the tourist traps have raised
the age though so as not to offend the tourists.

The fact that _you_ find this distasteful doesn't mean that the 12
year old girls in question find it so. Perhaps the ones in
Afghanistan do, perhaps they don't. I haven't discussed the matter
with any of them nor have a seen a poll of them so anything I say is
speculation. If you have discussed it with them or polled them please
share.

On 2021-08-18 8:25 a.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> Jonathan <writeInstead@Gmail.com> wrote in
> news:ZKGdnRn8AaVzuID8nZ2dnUU7-d3NnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
>> On 8/17/2021 2:51 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> On 8/17/2021 11:02 AM, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:32:38 AM UTC-6, Jonathan
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Oct 11, 2020
>>>>> Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
>>>>> phone interview
>>>>>
>>>>> "We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election
>>>>> because he has proved himself a politician who accomplished
>>>>> all the major promises he had made to American people,
>>>>> although he might have missed some small things, but did
>>>>> accomplish the bigger promises, so it is possible that the
>>>>> U.S. people who experienced deceptions in the past will once
>>>>> again trust Trump for his decisive actions."
>>>>> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-
>>>>> win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
>>>>
>>>> No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of the
>>>> small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out the
>>>> population of the U.S..
>>>>
>>>> John Savard
>>>
>>> The Omega version of the Covid has not been released yet.
>>>
>>> Lynn
>>>
>>
>>
>> I heard Fauci and the Reptilian Elite are close to
>> producing a far more contagious strain to release
>> upon the world, called the Omegaredstates Strain.
>>
>> That way Fauci can have time to finish his book
>> before it's over.
>>
> Sadly, it is implausible that you are not 100% serious.
>

Hilariously, you actually believe that bullshit.

Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
news:1b0ded51-093f-4759-b20d-456cf06c2b7bn@googlegroups.com:

> On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 9:23:21 AM UTC-6, Jibini Kula
> Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>> J. Clarke <jclarke...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:8q8phg5518dbm5g1c...@4ax.com:
>
>> > The cause of Afghanistan's downfall was exactly the same as
>> > Vietnam. The people we were "saving" didn't want to be saved
>> > and to them the highest good was getting the damned stupid
>> > Americans out of their country.
>
>> I'm skeptical that the 12 year old girls currently being sold
>> into sexual slavery would agree with you.
>
> I would agree with that statement, but I would also say it's
> irrelevant as a reply to J. Clarke's statement. It's what the
> adult males who made up the personnel of the Afghan military
> units - so many of which folded so quickly - wanted that
> explains what happened.

If he were talking about the adult males in the Afghan military, he
should have said that instead of "the people we were 'saving'".

He made braod, sweeping statment, and it was *stupid*.

Which is par for the course with Clarke. He has no clue what's
happening in Afghanistan right now, and doesn't want to.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in
news:t9eqhgheaqme7s5kaffn0q3ihirtgrbblq@4ax.com:

> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 08:55:53 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
> <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>>On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 9:23:21 AM UTC-6, Jibini Kula
>>Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>>> J. Clarke <jclarke...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:8q8phg5518dbm5g1c...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> > The cause of Afghanistan's downfall was exactly the same as
>>> > Vietnam. The people we were "saving" didn't want to be saved
>>> > and to them the highest good was getting the damned stupid
>>> > Americans out of their country.
>>
>>> I'm skeptical that the 12 year old girls currently being sold
>>> into sexual slavery would agree with you.
>>
>>I would agree with that statement, but I would also say it's
>>irrelevant as a reply to J. Clarke's statement. It's what the
>>adult males who made up the personnel of the Afghan military
>>units - so many of which folded so quickly - wanted that
>>explains what happened.
>>
>>I think that if even the adult males had their druthers, they
>>would have a preference other than a Taliban victory. A
>>genuinely democratic government that was not corrupt - Islamic,
>>but not excessively strict.
>>
>>However, it's very hard to have a government that isn't corrupt
>>in a poor country. Latin America can't even manage it for the
>>most part.
>
> Note that in Japan 12 year old girls voluntarily enter into
> sexual slavery for certain values of "slavery".

Afghanistan isn't Japan, and the civilized world considers that
barbaric in Japan, too.

> This is
> completely legal in the less touristy areas of the country--the
> tourist traps have raised the age though so as not to offend the
> tourists.
>
> The fact that _you_ find this distasteful doesn't mean that the
> 12 year old girls in question find it so.

Do the Japanese girls get to watch their entire family brutally
murdered in front of them first? One descript was "hung, his
Defense Department ID melted into his chest, and his arms chopped
off." In front of the 12 year old.

Does *that* happen in Japan?

> Perhaps the ones in
> Afghanistan do, perhaps they don't. I haven't discussed the
> matter with any of them nor have a seen a poll of them so
> anything I say is speculation. If you have discussed it with
> them or polled them please share.
>
If they have been conditioned to "not find distasteful" being raped
and sold into sexual slavery at the age of 12 after watching their
entire family brutally tortured to death in front of them, that
makes it OK in your book?

You are literally subhuman, and should be put down as a dangerous
animal.

Like the Taliban.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote in
news:8jcqhg1ku52i3fio0atid496m1qqmgmm67@4ax.com:

> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 11:16:42 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
> Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Not to mention, Obama was CiC for twice as long as Trump, so
>>he's twice as responsible for the mistakes made there.
>
> Bush 2 has to be considered also ... giving the Republicans
> 11-12 years to the Dem's 8-9.

The first mistake was the decision to go into Afghanistan on any
basis other than 'we're keeping it permanently, because it will
take a century or more to change the culture enough for it to
coexist with civilized countries," and that probably would have
been a mistake, too.

But once we're in there, withdrawing has a price, and that price
will be paid in American lives, one way or another. Or both.
>
> And, BTW, it was a /Republican/ who decided to stay after the
> Taliban was evicted.

And it was Biden('s puppeteers) who decided to withdraw in a way
that they *must* have known would result in the brutal deaths of
thousand of Afghanis and probably hundres of Americans.

A lot of political mistakes were made from day one, and that's par
for the course, The mishandling of the withdrawal was *criminal*.
>
> And I wouldn't be too sure Trump would even have tried to get
> any Afghans out. After all, they aren't Norwegians, and he /is/
> a racist.

Was that why Al Sharpton recognized him for his contributions to
racial harmony? Why he got awards from multiple Jewish gropus?

Or is it, perhaps, that he is racist only in your diseased
imagination, as usual?

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

On 2021-08-18 10:46 a.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:t9eqhgheaqme7s5kaffn0q3ihirtgrbblq@4ax.com:
>
>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 08:55:53 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
>> <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 9:23:21 AM UTC-6, Jibini Kula
>>> Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>>>> J. Clarke <jclarke...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:8q8phg5518dbm5g1c...@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>>> The cause of Afghanistan's downfall was exactly the same as
>>>>> Vietnam. The people we were "saving" didn't want to be saved
>>>>> and to them the highest good was getting the damned stupid
>>>>> Americans out of their country.
>>>
>>>> I'm skeptical that the 12 year old girls currently being sold
>>>> into sexual slavery would agree with you.
>>>
>>> I would agree with that statement, but I would also say it's
>>> irrelevant as a reply to J. Clarke's statement. It's what the
>>> adult males who made up the personnel of the Afghan military
>>> units - so many of which folded so quickly - wanted that
>>> explains what happened.
>>>
>>> I think that if even the adult males had their druthers, they
>>> would have a preference other than a Taliban victory. A
>>> genuinely democratic government that was not corrupt - Islamic,
>>> but not excessively strict.
>>>
>>> However, it's very hard to have a government that isn't corrupt
>>> in a poor country. Latin America can't even manage it for the
>>> most part.
>>
>> Note that in Japan 12 year old girls voluntarily enter into
>> sexual slavery for certain values of "slavery".
>
> Afghanistan isn't Japan, and the civilized world considers that
> barbaric in Japan, too.
>
>> This is
>> completely legal in the less touristy areas of the country--the
>> tourist traps have raised the age though so as not to offend the
>> tourists.
>>
>> The fact that _you_ find this distasteful doesn't mean that the
>> 12 year old girls in question find it so.
>
> Do the Japanese girls get to watch their entire family brutally
> murdered in front of them first? One descript was "hung, his
> Defense Department ID melted into his chest, and his arms chopped
> off." In front of the 12 year old.
>
> Does *that* happen in Japan?
>
>> Perhaps the ones in
>> Afghanistan do, perhaps they don't. I haven't discussed the
>> matter with any of them nor have a seen a poll of them so
>> anything I say is speculation. If you have discussed it with
>> them or polled them please share.
>>
> If they have been conditioned to "not find distasteful" being raped
> and sold into sexual slavery at the age of 12 after watching their
> entire family brutally tortured to death in front of them, that
> makes it OK in your book?
>
> You are literally subhuman, and should be put down as a dangerous
> animal.
>
> Like the Taliban.
>

There is no more eloquent support for firearms background checks than
the fact that you're absolutely serious about calling people with whom
you disagree "literally subhuman" and deserving of death.

On 8/18/2021 11:25 AM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> Jonathan <writeInstead@Gmail.com> wrote in
> news:ZKGdnRn8AaVzuID8nZ2dnUU7-d3NnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
>> On 8/17/2021 2:51 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> On 8/17/2021 11:02 AM, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:32:38 AM UTC-6, Jonathan
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Oct 11, 2020
>>>>> Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
>>>>> phone interview
>>>>>
>>>>> "We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election
>>>>> because he has proved himself a politician who accomplished
>>>>> all the major promises he had made to American people,
>>>>> although he might have missed some small things, but did
>>>>> accomplish the bigger promises, so it is possible that the
>>>>> U.S. people who experienced deceptions in the past will once
>>>>> again trust Trump for his decisive actions."
>>>>> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-
>>>>> win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
>>>>
>>>> No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of the
>>>> small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out the
>>>> population of the U.S..
>>>>
>>>> John Savard
>>>
>>> The Omega version of the Covid has not been released yet.
>>>
>>> Lynn
>>>
>>
>>
>> I heard Fauci and the Reptilian Elite are close to
>> producing a far more contagious strain to release
>> upon the world, called the Omegaredstates Strain.
>>
>> That way Fauci can have time to finish his book
>> before it's over.
>>
> Sadly, it is implausible that you are not 100% serious.
>

So you believed it?

Or did you mean to say "Sadly, it is implausible that you
are 100% serious"?

--
BIG LIE From Wiki - "The German expression was coined by Adolf Hitler
when he dictated his 1925 book Mein Kampf, to describe the use of a lie
so *colossal* that no one would believe that someone "could have the
impudence to distort the truth so infamously."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie

Jonathan <writeInstead@gmail.com> wrote in
news:r4OdnXlG0NReGYD8nZ2dnUU7-N2dnZ2d@giganews.com:

> On 8/18/2021 11:25 AM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>> Jonathan <writeInstead@Gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:ZKGdnRn8AaVzuID8nZ2dnUU7-d3NnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>
>>> On 8/17/2021 2:51 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>> On 8/17/2021 11:02 AM, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:32:38 AM UTC-6, Jonathan
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oct 11, 2020
>>>>>> Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
>>>>>> phone interview
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming
>>>>>> election because he has proved himself a politician who
>>>>>> accomplished all the major promises he had made to American
>>>>>> people, although he might have missed some small things,
>>>>>> but did accomplish the bigger promises, so it is possible
>>>>>> that the U.S. people who experienced deceptions in the past
>>>>>> will once again trust Trump for his decisive actions."
>>>>>> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-wil
>>>>>> l- win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
>>>>>
>>>>> No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of the
>>>>> small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out the
>>>>> population of the U.S..
>>>>>
>>>>> John Savard
>>>>
>>>> The Omega version of the Covid has not been released yet.
>>>>
>>>> Lynn
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I heard Fauci and the Reptilian Elite are close to
>>> producing a far more contagious strain to release
>>> upon the world, called the Omegaredstates Strain.
>>>
>>> That way Fauci can have time to finish his book
>>> before it's over.
>>>
>> Sadly, it is implausible that you are not 100% serious.
>>
>
>
> So you believed it?

I believe that you beliee what you poated.
>
> Or did you mean to say "Sadly, it is implausible that you
> are 100% serious"?

it is entirely plausible, because you say shit that stupid and
deranged all the time.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

On 2021-08-18 4:06 p.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>>>> I heard Fauci and the Reptilian Elite are close to
>>>> producing a far more contagious strain to release
>>>> upon the world, called the Omegaredstates Strain.
>>>>
>>>> That way Fauci can have time to finish his book
>>>> before it's over.
>>>>
>>> Sadly, it is implausible that you are not 100% serious.
>>>
>>
>> So you believed it?
> I believe that you beliee what you poated.
>> Or did you mean to say "Sadly, it is implausible that you
>> are 100% serious"?
> it is entirely plausible, because you say shit that stupid and
> deranged all the time.

Interesting.

Because you say "all the time" that people with whom you disagree are
"subhuman" and should be "put down".

On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 10:53:33 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
<taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:

>Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>news:8jcqhg1ku52i3fio0atid496m1qqmgmm67@4ax.com:
>
>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 11:16:42 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
>> Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Not to mention, Obama was CiC for twice as long as Trump, so
>>>he's twice as responsible for the mistakes made there.
>>
>> Bush 2 has to be considered also ... giving the Republicans
>> 11-12 years to the Dem's 8-9.
>
>The first mistake was the decision to go into Afghanistan on any
>basis other than 'we're keeping it permanently, because it will
>take a century or more to change the culture enough for it to
>coexist with civilized countries," and that probably would have
>been a mistake, too.

An attitude that absolutely /reeks/ of the White Man's Burden.

We went in to get Al Queda and Bin Laden. That is no problem.

Then the /Republican/ in charge decided to stay. A Republican, I might
add, who showed us a few years later had /no/ concept of "planning".

>But once we're in there, withdrawing has a price, and that price
>will be paid in American lives, one way or another. Or both.
>>
>> And, BTW, it was a /Republican/ who decided to stay after the
>> Taliban was evicted.
>
>And it was Biden('s puppeteers) who decided to withdraw in a way
>that they *must* have known would result in the brutal deaths of
>thousand of Afghanis and probably hundres of Americans.
>
>A lot of political mistakes were made from day one, and that's par
>for the course, The mishandling of the withdrawal was *criminal*.

Trump would not have done any better. No matter what Pompous may say.

Trump, it now appears, completely shut down the process set up by
Obama for issuing Visas to Afghanis who had helped us. Well, they
weren't Norwegian, were they.

And rabid Trump supporters are already objecting to rescuing any of
them because they are "all terrorists".

Trump campaigned, in part, on the promise to "Make America Grovel
Again".

He appears to have succeeded.
>> And I wouldn't be too sure Trump would even have tried to get
>> any Afghans out. After all, they aren't Norwegians, and he /is/
>> a racist.
>
>Was that why Al Sharpton recognized him for his contributions to
>racial harmony? Why he got awards from multiple Jewish gropus?

They weren't trying to enter the country; they were already here. Had
they been doing so, his racism would have come out.

Also, he was looking for votes. Turns out he could have used them in
2020.

>Or is it, perhaps, that he is racist only <bot-speak snipped>

His first two travel bans were so clearly racist that the courts
suspended them. It took a third try to get one proposed that passed
legal muster.

Racism has many targets. Trump's was fixated on immigrants. Unless
they were Norwegian, of course.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote in
news:kv0thg5dp5vgsjj1dv1480l6u8rru8l3kg@4ax.com:

> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 10:53:33 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
> Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>>news:8jcqhg1ku52i3fio0atid496m1qqmgmm67@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 11:16:42 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
>>> Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Not to mention, Obama was CiC for twice as long as Trump, so
>>>>he's twice as responsible for the mistakes made there.
>>>
>>> Bush 2 has to be considered also ... giving the Republicans
>>> 11-12 years to the Dem's 8-9.
>>
>>The first mistake was the decision to go into Afghanistan on any
>>basis other than 'we're keeping it permanently, because it will
>>take a century or more to change the culture enough for it to
>>coexist with civilized countries," and that probably would have
>>been a mistake, too.
>
> An attitude that absolutely /reeks/ of the White Man's Burden.
>
> We went in to get Al Queda and Bin Laden. That is no problem.
>
> Then the /Republican/ in charge decided to stay.

And a Democrat after him decided to stay, too.

> A Republican, I
> might add, who showed us a few years later had /no/ concept of
> "planning".

You mean like the planning that went into withdrawing US troops
with no warning to the tens of thousands of Americans in the
country, who are now, in every sense of the word, hostages of
terrorists?

Planning like that?
>
>>But once we're in there, withdrawing has a price, and that price
>>will be paid in American lives, one way or another. Or both.
>>>
>>> And, BTW, it was a /Republican/ who decided to stay after the
>>> Taliban was evicted.
>>
>>And it was Biden('s puppeteers) who decided to withdraw in a way
>>that they *must* have known would result in the brutal deaths of
>>thousand of Afghanis and probably hundres of Americans.
>>
>>A lot of political mistakes were made from day one, and that's
>>par for the course, The mishandling of the withdrawal was
>>*criminal*.
>
> Trump would not have done any better. No matter what Pompous may
> say.

Trump would have listened to his military advisors, as he did
previously.

He also wouldn't have abandoned tens of thousands of Americans as
hostages to terrorists.
>
> Trump, it now appears, completely shut down the process set up
> by Obama for issuing Visas to Afghanis who had helped us. Well,
> they weren't Norwegian, were they.

And Biden('s puppeteers) gave the Taliban tens of thousands of
hostages. On purpose.
>
> And rabid Trump supporters are already objecting to rescuing any
> of them because they are "all terrorists".

And Biden('s puppeteers) flat refuse to make any attempt to rescue
the tends of thousands of hostages they abandoned to the Taliban.
They have held press conferences on it.
>
> Trump campaigned, in part, on the promise to "Make America
> Grovel Again".

And Biden('s puppeteers) campaigned on the promise to destroy
America.
>
> He appears to have succeeded.

Biden('s puppeteers) certainly are succeeding.
>
>>> And I wouldn't be too sure Trump would even have tried to get
>>> any Afghans out. After all, they aren't Norwegians, and he
>>> /is/ a racist.
>>
>>Was that why Al Sharpton recognized him for his contributions to
>>racial harmony? Why he got awards from multiple Jewish gropus?
>
> They weren't trying to enter the country; they were already
> here. Had they been doing so, his racism would have come out.

Nice dodge, hypocrite.
>
> Also, he was looking for votes. Turns out he could have used
> them in 2020.

Most of those awards came before he had any pretentiosn to running
for office. (And he never expected, or wanted, to *win*. He just
wanted to get close.)
>
>>Or is it, perhaps, that he is racist only <bot-speak snipped>
>
> His first two travel bans were so clearly racist that the courts
> suspended them. It took a third try to get one proposed that
> passed legal muster.

Only in your diseased imagination.
>
> Racism has many targets. Trump's was fixated on immigrants.
> Unless they were Norwegian, of course.

And Biden('s puppeteers) have literally given tens of thousands of
hostages to the Taliban. On purpose. Try to chagne the subject all
you want, they *intended* this.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

On 2021-08-19 10:13 a.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote in
> news:kv0thg5dp5vgsjj1dv1480l6u8rru8l3kg@4ax.com:
>
>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 10:53:33 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
>> Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>>> news:8jcqhg1ku52i3fio0atid496m1qqmgmm67@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 11:16:42 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
>>>> Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not to mention, Obama was CiC for twice as long as Trump, so
>>>>> he's twice as responsible for the mistakes made there.
>>>>
>>>> Bush 2 has to be considered also ... giving the Republicans
>>>> 11-12 years to the Dem's 8-9.
>>>
>>> The first mistake was the decision to go into Afghanistan on any
>>> basis other than 'we're keeping it permanently, because it will
>>> take a century or more to change the culture enough for it to
>>> coexist with civilized countries," and that probably would have
>>> been a mistake, too.
>>
>> An attitude that absolutely /reeks/ of the White Man's Burden.
>>
>> We went in to get Al Queda and Bin Laden. That is no problem.
>>
>> Then the /Republican/ in charge decided to stay.
>
> And a Democrat after him decided to stay, too.
>
>> A Republican, I
>> might add, who showed us a few years later had /no/ concept of
>> "planning".
>
> You mean like the planning that went into withdrawing US troops
> with no warning to the tens of thousands of Americans in the
> country, who are now, in every sense of the word, hostages of
> terrorists?
>
> Planning like that?

So you're claiming that under Trump, no one did any planning for the
withdrawal...

....that Trump promised he'd be doing?

>>
>>> But once we're in there, withdrawing has a price, and that price
>>> will be paid in American lives, one way or another. Or both.
>>>>
>>>> And, BTW, it was a /Republican/ who decided to stay after the
>>>> Taliban was evicted.
>>>
>>> And it was Biden('s puppeteers) who decided to withdraw in a way
>>> that they *must* have known would result in the brutal deaths of
>>> thousand of Afghanis and probably hundres of Americans.
>>>
>>> A lot of political mistakes were made from day one, and that's
>>> par for the course, The mishandling of the withdrawal was
>>> *criminal*.
>>
>> Trump would not have done any better. No matter what Pompous may
>> say.
>
> Trump would have listened to his military advisors, as he did
> previously.

But he ordered them not to plan anything?

>
> He also wouldn't have abandoned tens of thousands of Americans as
> hostages to terrorists.

Yeah. He would totally have done that.

>>

<snip>

>> Racism has many targets. Trump's was fixated on immigrants.
>> Unless they were Norwegian, of course.
>
> And Biden('s puppeteers) have literally given tens of thousands of
> hostages to the Taliban. On purpose. Try to chagne the subject all
> you want, they *intended* this.
>

You're dangerously delusional

On 20/08/21 5:13 am, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote in
> news:kv0thg5dp5vgsjj1dv1480l6u8rru8l3kg@4ax.com:
snip
>>
>> Trump campaigned, in part, on the promise to "Make America
>> Grovel Again".
>
> And Biden('s puppeteers) campaigned on the promise to destroy
> America.
>>
>> He appears to have succeeded.
>
> Biden('s puppeteers) certainly are succeeding.

Do you have any statistics to support that claim because as far as I can
tell there are still many Trump supporters alive and vocal? Where is the
promised violence? Why aren't the re-education camps achieving their
objectives?

Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in
news:sfn31a$f44$1@dont-email.me:

> On 20/08/21 5:13 am, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>> Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>> news:kv0thg5dp5vgsjj1dv1480l6u8rru8l3kg@4ax.com:
> snip
>>>
>>> Trump campaigned, in part, on the promise to "Make America
>>> Grovel Again".
>>
>> And Biden('s puppeteers) campaigned on the promise to destroy
>> America.
>>>
>>> He appears to have succeeded.
>>
>> Biden('s puppeteers) certainly are succeeding.
>
> Do you have any statistics to support that claim because as far
> as I can tell there are still many Trump supporters alive and
> vocal? Where is the promised violence? Why aren't the
> re-education camps achieving their objectives?

Biden('s puppeteers) have unconditionally surrended to the Taliban.
There are between 10,000 and 40,000 Americans trapped in the coutry
as hostages, and the administration has no intention of doing
anything to get them out. Insider reports from the airport in Kabul
say that US military (the officers, the enelisted are ready to
mutity) are actively trying to prevent British troops from rescuing
their countrymen and allies and bring them to the airport for
evacuation.

It is very clear this was all *by* *intent*.

Biden('s puppeteers) ran on a platform of destroying American, and
they're succeeding.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB