Classic SF Featuring Planets With Very Long or Very Short Days
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On 8/23/2021 8:10 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
> Classic SF Featuring Planets With Very Long or Very Short Days
> https://www.tor.com/2021/08/23/classic-sf-featuring-planets-with-very-long-or-very-short-days/

Zero for five here as usual.

"Mercury" by Ben Bova would probably fit in here.
https://www.amazon.com/Mercury-Grand-Tour-Ben-Bova/dp/0765343142/

Lynn

On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 2:39:37 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 8/23/2021 8:10 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
> > Classic SF Featuring Planets With Very Long or Very Short Days
> > https://www.tor.com/2021/08/23/classic-sf-featuring-planets-with-very-long-or-very-short-days/
> Zero for five here as usual.

I believe that "Nightside City" was the first novel I read by LWE. Recommended.

And you really have to read the Clement. A classic by the only hard-SF novelist who ever
lived.

I'm not sure you would like the Aldiss, but he also wrote the "Helliconia" trilogy, also based on
a long day of sorts. Well, long year. Might be more to your taste.

Tony Rothman's "The World is Round" is worth a read if you can find a copy. One of the first to
note the climatic consequences of such days.

William Hyde

On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 12:31:26 -0700 (PDT), William Hyde
<wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 2:39:37 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 8/23/2021 8:10 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>> > Classic SF Featuring Planets With Very Long or Very Short Days
>> > https://www.tor.com/2021/08/23/classic-sf-featuring-planets-with-very-long-or-very-short-days/
>> Zero for five here as usual.
>
>I believe that "Nightside City" was the first novel I read by LWE. Recommended.

Thank you.

To respond to the footnote on the referenced page, the fact that it
was in a crater, sheltered from the wind of the pole-to-pole
convection cycle, was what made it livable. Moving it would be
difficult.

(Did I really specify 138 cm/day? It sounds like something I'd do,
but I don't remember it.)

>And you really have to read the Clement. A classic by the only hard-SF novelist who ever
>lived.
>
>I'm not sure you would like the Aldiss, but he also wrote the "Helliconia" trilogy, also based on
>a long day of sorts. Well, long year. Might be more to your taste.
>
>Tony Rothman's "The World is Round" is worth a read if you can find a copy. One of the first to
>note the climatic consequences of such days.
>
>William Hyde

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On 2021 Aug 23, James Nicoll wrote
(in article <sg06na$nr5$1@reader2.panix.com>):

> Classic SF Featuring Planets With Very Long or Very Short Days
> https://www.tor.com/2021/08/23/classic-sf-featuring-planets-with-very-long-or-
> very-short-days/

read three of them

was hoping to see Piper’s _Four Day Planet_. Fenris (yes, named for the
wolf. There are reasons why I like the book) has a year pretty close to that
of Terra... and each year is about four local days long. Which leads to
complications.

William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 2:39:37 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 8/23/2021 8:10 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>> > Classic SF Featuring Planets With Very Long or Very Short Days
>> > https://www.tor.com/2021/08/23/classic-sf-featuring-planets-with-very-long-or-very-short-days/
>> Zero for five here as usual.
>
> I believe that "Nightside City" was the first novel I read by LWE. Recommended.
>
> And you really have to read the Clement. A classic by the only hard-SF novelist who ever
> lived.
>
> I'm not sure you would like the Aldiss, but he also wrote the "Helliconia" trilogy, also based on
> a long day of sorts. Well, long year. Might be more to your taste.
>
> Tony Rothman's "The World is Round" is worth a read if you can find a copy. One of the first to
> note the climatic consequences of such days.

Clements is unknown to me. His hard science fiction seems to primarily
pertain to physical science rather than life science.
On the other hand, plausible deniability of criminal intent is about
the only thing available to fictionalize Cooks' life science fact.
Although altruism alone typically triumphs in Cook's stories, real life
corporate greed and anti-social scientists who treat other people as
guinea pigs can easily make Cook's fiction foreshadow fact.
Perry Rhodan's life science includes hexylamine and Saint Vitus'
Dance. The Moewig cover of the latest PR story read by me is fairly
good:

https://www.perrypedia.de/mediawiki/images/5/55/PR0042.jpg

but Morrow's cover art for the associated Ace Ackerman Anglicization's
absolutely awesome:

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/3a4AAOSw~ipguOPz/s-l1600.jpg
https://www.ebay.com/itm/334026457366
https://www.ebay.com/itm/392269180359

Danke,

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> On 2021 Aug 23, James Nicoll wrote
> (in article <sg06na$nr5$1@reader2.panix.com>):
>
>> Classic SF Featuring Planets With Very Long or Very Short Days
>> https://www.tor.com/2021/08/23/classic-sf-featuring-planets-with-very-long-or-
>> very-short-days/

In Walter John William's Metropolitan and City of Fire that I recently
read, unknown forces have created a shield over the whole planet to
prevent inhabitants from ever leaving so there is no day and night but
Shieldlight. Characters live with mainly day night behaviours still.
It is not of much relevance other than background as the whole world,
including seas, is covered by cities divided into areas ruled by a
Metropolitan.

On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 2:10:06 PM UTC+1, James Nicoll wrote:
> Classic SF Featuring Planets With Very Long or Very Short Days
> https://www.tor.com/2021/08/23/classic-sf-featuring-planets-with-very-long-or-very-short-days/
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The planet Lagash in Asimov's "Nightfall" had a very long day. Thousands of years long.

On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 12:31:26 -0700 (PDT), William Hyde
<wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 2:39:37 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 8/23/2021 8:10 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>> > Classic SF Featuring Planets With Very Long or Very Short Days
>> > https://www.tor.com/2021/08/23/classic-sf-featuring-planets-with-very-long-or-very-short-days/
>> Zero for five here as usual.
>
>I believe that "Nightside City" was the first novel I read by LWE. Recommended.
>
>And you really have to read the Clement. A classic by the only hard-SF novelist who ever
>lived.

That's quite a statement and one with which Poul Anderson, Martin
Caidin, Arthur C. Clarke, Michael Crichton, Robert Heinlein, George O.
Smith, and Andy Weir would certainly disagree.

>I'm not sure you would like the Aldiss, but he also wrote the "Helliconia" trilogy, also based on
>a long day of sorts. Well, long year. Might be more to your taste.
>
>Tony Rothman's "The World is Round" is worth a read if you can find a copy. One of the first to
>note the climatic consequences of such days.
>
>William Hyde

Don wrote:
> William Hyde <wthyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 2:39:37 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >> On 8/23/2021 8:10 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
> >> > Classic SF Featuring Planets With Very Long or Very Short Days
> >> > https://www.tor.com/2021/08/23/classic-sf-featuring-planets-with-very-long-or-very-short-days/
> >> Zero for five here as usual.
> >
> >
> > And you really have to read the Clement. A classic by the only hard-SF novelist who ever
> > lived.
> >
> >

> Clements is unknown to me. His hard science fiction seems to primarily
> pertain to physical science rather than life science.

_Needle_ and it's sequel _Through the Eye of a Needle_ are biology without a sliderule or phase-change diagram in sight. However, I don't remember that he went into much detail about the workings of the symbiote, especially how it could work in an alien body.

> Perry Rhodan's life science includes hexylamine and Saint Vitus'
> Dance. The Moewig cover of the latest PR story read by me is fairly
> good:
>
> https://www.perrypedia.de/mediawiki/images/5/55/PR0042.jpg
>
> but Morrow's cover art for the associated Ace Ackerman Anglicization's
> absolutely awesome:
>
> https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/3a4AAOSw~ipguOPz/s-l1600.jpg
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/334026457366
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/392269180359

Hey! I recognize the ship! Model kit made of it:
https://fantastic-plastic.com/PERRY%20RHODAN%20SOL%20PAGE.htm

Do the authors provide fairly detailed descriptions of the ships, or, like, say, Weber, have technical drawings in the endpages?

--
-Jack

Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> wrote:
> Don wrote:
>> William Hyde <wthyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 2:39:37 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> >> On 8/23/2021 8:10 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>> >> > Classic SF Featuring Planets With Very Long or Very Short Days
>> >> > https://www.tor.com/2021/08/23/classic-sf-featuring-planets-with-very-long-or-very-short-days/
>> >> Zero for five here as usual.
>> >
>> >
>> > And you really have to read the Clement. A classic by the only hard-SF novelist who ever
>> > lived.
>> >
>> >
>
>> Clements is unknown to me. His hard science fiction seems to primarily
>> pertain to physical science rather than life science.
>
> _Needle_ and it's sequel _Through the Eye of a Needle_ are biology without
> _a sliderule or phase-change diagram in sight. However, I don't remember
> _that he went into much detail about the workings of the symbiote, especially
> _how it could work in an alien body.
>
>
>> Perry Rhodan's life science includes hexylamine and Saint Vitus'
>> Dance. The Moewig cover of the latest PR story read by me is fairly
>> good:
>>
>> https://www.perrypedia.de/mediawiki/images/5/55/PR0042.jpg
>>
>> but Morrow's cover art for the associated Ace Ackerman Anglicization's
>> absolutely awesome:
>>
>> https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/3a4AAOSw~ipguOPz/s-l1600.jpg
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/334026457366
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/392269180359
>
> Hey! I recognize the ship! Model kit made of it:
> https://fantastic-plastic.com/PERRY%20RHODAN%20SOL%20PAGE.htm
>
> Do the authors provide fairly detailed descriptions of the ships, or,
> like, say, Weber, have technical drawings in the endpages?

Thus far (as of issue Nr. 42) there are no technical drawings in the
original Moewig pulps. Regardless, each issue does contain about a half
a dozen illustrations. A "Springer" ship's shown below:

https://crcomp.net/arts/pr0028/orlaxik9.png

It appears in Nr. 28. For ?artistic? reasons, Marrow adds two spheres
near each end:

https://crcomp.net/arts/pr0028/ace.png

Springers are galactic merchant princes. Unbridled Springer greed's
enough to make Nicholas van Rijn blush.
Aras, on the other hand, are medical masters of the galaxy. Marrow's
art presumably depicts an Aras ship:

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/3a4AAOSw~ipguOPz/s-l1600.jpg

And an Aras ship bears a striking resemblance to a Springer ship.
The Sol ship shown as a model at your link apparently debuts in
issue Nr. 1942 (almost two thousand issues beyond my current issue Nr.
42):

https://www.perrypedia.de/wiki/SOL_(Raumschiff)

###

By the way, allow me clear up a point made earlier about Cook. Although
"plausible deniability of criminal intent" may exist in our real world,
the fictional criminals in Cook's stories do indeed intend to harm
others.

Danke,

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On 8/24/2021 5:31 AM, Des wrote:
> On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 2:10:06 PM UTC+1, James Nicoll wrote:
>> Classic SF Featuring Planets With Very Long or Very Short Days
>> https://www.tor.com/2021/08/23/classic-sf-featuring-planets-with-very-long-or-very-short-days/
>> --
>> My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
>> My tor pieces at https://www.tor.com/author/james-davis-nicoll/
>> My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/
>> My patreon is at https://www.patreon.com/jamesdnicoll
>
> The planet Lagash in Asimov's "Nightfall" had a very long day. Thousands of years long.

YES ! That was at the very back of my mind. Thanks for bringing that up.

BTW, if you ever get the chance to see the movie, don't.

Lynn

On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 6:53:47 AM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 12:31:26 -0700 (PDT), William Hyde
> <wthyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 2:39:37 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >> On 8/23/2021 8:10 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
> >> > Classic SF Featuring Planets With Very Long or Very Short Days
> >> > https://www.tor.com/2021/08/23/classic-sf-featuring-planets-with-very-long-or-very-short-days/
> >> Zero for five here as usual.
> >
> >I believe that "Nightside City" was the first novel I read by LWE. Recommended.
> >
> >And you really have to read the Clement. A classic by the only hard-SF novelist who ever
> >lived.
> That's quite a statement and one with which Poul Anderson, Martin
> Caidin, Arthur C. Clarke, Michael Crichton, Robert Heinlein, George O.
> Smith, and Andy Weir would certainly disagree.

Slightly tongue in cheek, I admit.

William Hyde

On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 8:10:06 AM UTC-5, James Nicoll wrote:
> Classic SF Featuring Planets With Very Long or Very Short Days

Mission of Gravity and Nightside City for me.

Brian

In article <4ce9122d-7687-437e-ab61-29c9fae35c91n@googlegroups.com>,
Default User <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 8:10:06 AM UTC-5, James Nicoll wrote:
>> Classic SF Featuring Planets With Very Long or Very Short Days
>
>Mission of Gravity and Nightside City for me.
>
>
>Brian

Is forever very long? Eg, Golden Age SF Mercury.
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In article <3d5eea9d-8de6-44f8-97c0-a8e51726099cn@googlegroups.com>,
William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 6:53:47 AM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 12:31:26 -0700 (PDT), William Hyde
>> <wthyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 2:39:37 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> >> On 8/23/2021 8:10 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>> >> > Classic SF Featuring Planets With Very Long or Very Short Days
>> >> >
>https://www.tor.com/2021/08/23/classic-sf-featuring-planets-with-very-long-or-very-short-days/
>> >> Zero for five here as usual.
>> >
>> >I believe that "Nightside City" was the first novel I read by LWE.
>Recommended.
>> >
>> >And you really have to read the Clement. A classic by the only
>hard-SF novelist who ever
>> >lived.
>> That's quite a statement and one with which Poul Anderson, Martin
>> Caidin, Arthur C. Clarke, Michael Crichton, Robert Heinlein, George O.
>> Smith, and Andy Weir would certainly disagree.
>
>Slightly tongue in cheek, I admit.

Well, Anderson, like Clement, majored in physics. (Clement
taught high school science and wrote in his spare time.)
Heinlein went to Annapolis and studied, _inter alia_, mechanical
engineering. Clarke appears to have gone no further than
secondary school, but served as a radar specialist during WWII.
Crichton, of course, is an M.D.

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On 2021-08-24, Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Clements is unknown to me. His hard science fiction seems to primarily
>> pertain to physical science rather than life science.
>
> _Needle_ and it's sequel _Through the Eye of a Needle_ are biology
> without a sliderule or phase-change diagram in sight.

_Needle_ is a detective story.
Admittedly, _Through the Eye of a Needle_ deals with the deleterious
effects the symbiote has on the host... The immune system was
failing, IIRC?

> However, I don't remember that he went into much detail about the workings of the symbiote, especially how it could work in an alien body.

He did not.

>> https://www.perrypedia.de/mediawiki/images/5/55/PR0042.jpg
>>
>> but Morrow's cover art for the associated Ace Ackerman Anglicization's
>> absolutely awesome:
>>
>> https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/3a4AAOSw~ipguOPz/s-l1600.jpg
>
> Hey! I recognize the ship! Model kit made of it:
> https://fantastic-plastic.com/PERRY%20RHODAN%20SOL%20PAGE.htm

Can't be. The SOL first shows up in #700.

> Do the authors provide fairly detailed descriptions of the ships, or, like, say, Weber, have technical drawings in the endpages?

The series did eventually grow "technical drawings" (Risszeichnungen).
I don't know how those came about; I suppose some fan sent one in
and the publisher liked it. The drawings seem to be carefully based
on the descriptions in the novels, but I think they are essentially
independent works. They are certainly more accurate than the title
illustrations; Johnny Bruck clearly did not read the series. Most
bizarrely, he finally started painting the equatorial bulge on the
spherical ships around the time the series changed the drive
technology and the bulge disappeared in the text.

--
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On 2021-08-24, Don <g@crcomp.net> wrote:

>> And you really have to read the Clement. A classic by the only hard-SF novelist who ever
>> lived.
>
> Clements is unknown to me. His hard science fiction seems to primarily
> pertain to physical science rather than life science.

He was a highschool science teacher, so he liked to deal with topics
from that field rather than esoteric stuff. One of his pet issues
is that no matter how strong you are, if you can't push against
something, you are not going to move that load. Another example:
On Mesklin, the native seafarers from the extremely high-gravity
polar region use rafts. Why didn't anybody think of boats? Well,
during their travels in the lower-gravity equatorial region, they
pick up a boat with loot. Eventually they learn why they hadn't
been using boats all along.

> Perry Rhodan's life science includes hexylamine and Saint Vitus'
> Dance. The Moewig cover of the latest PR story read by me is fairly
> good:

None of the Perry Rhodan writers ever had any understanding of the
life sciences and it shows. Painfully.

This is a series where life is embued with some sort of "life force"
as in straight up 19th century vitalism. Where the immortalizing
technologies make ever less sense the more the authors try to
describe how they work and what they can do. Where people travel
for a generation on a space ship (the SOL) and then just like that
a baby adapted to life in space is born, because somebody thought
that evolution works that way.

And people have wondered forever about the biomechanics of Gucky's
single incisor tooth.

--
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On 2021-08-24, Don <g@crcomp.net> wrote:

> The Sol ship shown as a model at your link apparently debuts in
> issue Nr. 1942 (almost two thousand issues beyond my current issue Nr.
> 42):

Certainly not, the SOL's legendary voyage was before #1000...

> https://www.perrypedia.de/wiki/SOL_(Raumschiff)

.... and, yep, she first appears in #700.

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Christian Weisgerber wrote:
> On 2021-08-24, Jack Bohn <jack....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> https://www.perrypedia.de/mediawiki/images/5/55/PR0042.jpg
> >>
> >> but Morrow's cover art for the associated Ace Ackerman Anglicization's
> >> absolutely awesome:
> >>
> >> https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/3a4AAOSw~ipguOPz/s-l1600.jpg
> >
> > Hey! I recognize the ship! Model kit made of it:
> > https://fantastic-plastic.com/PERRY%20RHODAN%20SOL%20PAGE.htm
> Can't be. The SOL first shows up in #700.

Huh. Equivalent to me saying I recognize the starship Enterprise, and being told it's Picard's, not Kirk's.
And any word-description will be necessarily low in details. Fortunately for spaceships, a sphere is the best pressure vessel, followed by a cylinder, or, a cylinder shortened into a disk, if the axis is parallel to the direction of travel, a saucer.
So we have basic building blocks even without a conscious effort to create a consistent fictional design constraint.

> > Do the authors provide fairly detailed descriptions of the ships, or, like, say, Weber, have technical drawings in the endpages?
> The series did eventually grow "technical drawings" (Risszeichnungen).

> They are certainly more accurate than the title
> illustrations; Johnny Bruck clearly did not read the series.

Well, the UK editions provided a lot of work for spaceship artists, most I would guess told to paint whatever they want. I guess I'm happy to find they aren't sooooooo bad compared to the originals.

--
-Jack

On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 8:15:04 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <3d5eea9d-8de6-44f8...@googlegroups.com>,
> William Hyde <wthyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 6:53:47 AM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
> >> On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 12:31:26 -0700 (PDT), William Hyde
> >> <wthyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 2:39:37 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >> >> On 8/23/2021 8:10 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
> >> >> > Classic SF Featuring Planets With Very Long or Very Short Days
> >> >> >
> >https://www.tor.com/2021/08/23/classic-sf-featuring-planets-with-very-long-or-very-short-days/
> >> >> Zero for five here as usual.
> >> >
> >> >I believe that "Nightside City" was the first novel I read by LWE.
> >Recommended.
> >> >
> >> >And you really have to read the Clement. A classic by the only
> >hard-SF novelist who ever
> >> >lived.
> >> That's quite a statement and one with which Poul Anderson, Martin
> >> Caidin, Arthur C. Clarke, Michael Crichton, Robert Heinlein, George O.
> >> Smith, and Andy Weir would certainly disagree.
> >
> >Slightly tongue in cheek, I admit.
> Well, Anderson, like Clement, majored in physics. (Clement
> taught high school science and wrote in his spare time.)
> Heinlein went to Annapolis and studied, _inter alia_, mechanical
> engineering.

It's one thing to have the ability to write hard SF, another to write it. Not that I mind when they don't. Hard SF has a certain appeal to me, but then I'm also a fan of Jack Vance. And of course of Poul Anderson's fantasy.

Clarke appears to have gone no further than
> secondary school,

Clarke could not afford university in the pre-war years, but went to King's
College London after the war, where he was awarded a first in mathematics
and physics. He worked for some time as an editor in physics abstracts.

But he was writing about space travel before the war, mainly nonfiction articles.

but served as a radar specialist during WWII.
> Crichton, of course, is an M.D.

And Pohl did not even finish high school, but was perfectly capable of writing hard SF if he
so chose.

William Hyde

In article <45cbd9a2-df08-41fb-b218-4cd0fc1bae4bn@googlegroups.com>,
William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 8:15:04 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <3d5eea9d-8de6-44f8...@googlegroups.com>,
>> William Hyde <wthyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 6:53:47 AM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 12:31:26 -0700 (PDT), William Hyde
>> >> <wthyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 2:39:37 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> >> >> On 8/23/2021 8:10 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>> >> >> > Classic SF Featuring Planets With Very Long or Very Short Days
>> >> >> >
>>
>>https://www.tor.com/2021/08/23/classic-sf-featuring-planets-with-very-long-or-very-short-days/
>> >> >> Zero for five here as usual.
>> >> >
>> >> >I believe that "Nightside City" was the first novel I read by LWE.
>> >Recommended.
>> >> >
>> >> >And you really have to read the Clement. A classic by the only
>> >hard-SF novelist who ever
>> >> >lived.
>> >> That's quite a statement and one with which Poul Anderson, Martin
>> >> Caidin, Arthur C. Clarke, Michael Crichton, Robert Heinlein, George O.
>> >> Smith, and Andy Weir would certainly disagree.
>> >
>> >Slightly tongue in cheek, I admit.
>> Well, Anderson, like Clement, majored in physics. (Clement
>> taught high school science and wrote in his spare time.)
>> Heinlein went to Annapolis and studied, _inter alia_, mechanical
>> engineering.
>
>It's one thing to have the ability to write hard SF, another to write
>it. Not that I mind when they don't. Hard SF has a certain appeal to
>me, but then I'm also a fan of Jack Vance. And of course of Poul
>Anderson's fantasy.
>
> Clarke appears to have gone no further than
>> secondary school,
>
>Clarke could not afford university in the pre-war years, but went to King's
>College London after the war, where he was awarded a first in mathematics
>and physics. He worked for some time as an editor in physics abstracts.

Aha. Wikipedia didn't mention that. Sometimes even the good
Homer nods.
>

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Christian Weisgerber wrote:
> Jack Bohn wrote:

<snip>

>> Do the authors provide fairly detailed descriptions of the ships, or,
>> like, say, Weber, have technical drawings in the endpages?
>
> The series did eventually grow "technical drawings" (Risszeichnungen).
> I don't know how those came about; I suppose some fan sent one in
> and the publisher liked it. The drawings seem to be carefully based
> on the descriptions in the novels, but I think they are essentially
> independent works. They are certainly more accurate than the title
> illustrations; Johnny Bruck clearly did not read the series.

Are my reviews of Johnny Bruck's covers inaccurate?

Moewig's front cover, shown on the left, reveals plenty
about this story. The bicephalous mutant's two heads go
by the names of Ivan and Ivanovich. Of the two, the latter,
the "son of Ivan," remains mostly in the background because
he's younger. He saw the light of day three seconds after
the elder head.
The cover also shows blonde, teenage girl genius Betty Toufry.

https://crcomp.net/arts/pr0027/


As expected, Johnny Bruck’s cover, shown above on the left,
depicts actual story elements. The scene takes place aboard
the training ship K-9. Lankey cadet and boxing champion
Humpry Hifield throws a punch at an older crew member as
part of a diversionary fake fight. Demure blonde galacto-
botany student Felicita Kergonen ducks out of the way. One
of K-9's small destroyers appears in the window.

https://crcomp.net/arts/pr0028/

As expected, Johnny Bruck’s cover, shown above on the left,
depicts actual story elements. The scene depicts the crash
of one of K-9's destroyers on the planet Snowman. RB - 103
carries blonde Felicita and raven haired Mildred from the
crash site while Humpry Hifield and Klaus Eberhardt walk in
front.

https://crcomp.net/arts/pr0029/

Danke,

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On 8/25/2021 8:07 PM, Don wrote:
> Christian Weisgerber wrote:
>> Jack Bohn wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>> Do the authors provide fairly detailed descriptions of the ships, or,
>>> like, say, Weber, have technical drawings in the endpages?
>>
>> The series did eventually grow "technical drawings" (Risszeichnungen).
>> I don't know how those came about; I suppose some fan sent one in
>> and the publisher liked it. The drawings seem to be carefully based
>> on the descriptions in the novels, but I think they are essentially
>> independent works. They are certainly more accurate than the title
>> illustrations; Johnny Bruck clearly did not read the series.
>
> Are my reviews of Johnny Bruck's covers inaccurate?
>
>
> Moewig's front cover, shown on the left, reveals plenty
> about this story. The bicephalous mutant's two heads go
> by the names of Ivan and Ivanovich. Of the two, the latter,
> the "son of Ivan," remains mostly in the background because
> he's younger. He saw the light of day three seconds after
> the elder head.
> The cover also shows blonde, teenage girl genius Betty Toufry.
>
> https://crcomp.net/arts/pr0027/
>
>
> As expected, Johnny Bruck’s cover, shown above on the left,
> depicts actual story elements. The scene takes place aboard
> the training ship K-9. Lankey cadet and boxing champion
> Humpry Hifield throws a punch at an older crew member as
> part of a diversionary fake fight. Demure blonde galacto-
> botany student Felicita Kergonen ducks out of the way. One
> of K-9's small destroyers appears in the window.
>
> https://crcomp.net/arts/pr0028/
>
>
> As expected, Johnny Bruck’s cover, shown above on the left,
> depicts actual story elements. The scene depicts the crash
> of one of K-9's destroyers on the planet Snowman. RB - 103
> carries blonde Felicita and raven haired Mildred from the
> crash site while Humpry Hifield and Klaus Eberhardt walk in
> front.
>
> https://crcomp.net/arts/pr0029/
>
>
> Danke,

One of these days I am going to get out my box of Rhodans that I bought
on Ebay a decade ago and read a few more again. I read all the English
ones in the 1970s but lost them all in The Great Flood of '89.

Lynn

On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 9:06:19 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <45cbd9a2-df08-41fb...@googlegroups.com>,
> William Hyde <wthyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 8:15:04 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> >> In article <3d5eea9d-8de6-44f8...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> William Hyde <wthyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 6:53:47 AM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
> >> >> On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 12:31:26 -0700 (PDT), William Hyde
> >> >> <wthyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 2:39:37 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >> >> >> On 8/23/2021 8:10 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
> >> >> >> > Classic SF Featuring Planets With Very Long or Very Short Days
> >> >> >> >
> >>
> >>https://www.tor.com/2021/08/23/classic-sf-featuring-planets-with-very-long-or-very-short-days/
> >> >> >> Zero for five here as usual.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I believe that "Nightside City" was the first novel I read by LWE.
> >> >Recommended.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >And you really have to read the Clement. A classic by the only
> >> >hard-SF novelist who ever
> >> >> >lived.
> >> >> That's quite a statement and one with which Poul Anderson, Martin
> >> >> Caidin, Arthur C. Clarke, Michael Crichton, Robert Heinlein, George O.
> >> >> Smith, and Andy Weir would certainly disagree.
> >> >
> >> >Slightly tongue in cheek, I admit.
> >> Well, Anderson, like Clement, majored in physics. (Clement
> >> taught high school science and wrote in his spare time.)
> >> Heinlein went to Annapolis and studied, _inter alia_, mechanical
> >> engineering.
> >
> >It's one thing to have the ability to write hard SF, another to write
> >it. Not that I mind when they don't. Hard SF has a certain appeal to
> >me, but then I'm also a fan of Jack Vance. And of course of Poul
> >Anderson's fantasy.
> >
> > Clarke appears to have gone no further than
> >> secondary school,
> >
> >Clarke could not afford university in the pre-war years, but went to King's
> >College London after the war, where he was awarded a first in mathematics
> >and physics. He worked for some time as an editor in physics abstracts.
> Aha. Wikipedia didn't mention that. Sometimes even the good
> Homer nods.

Until this thread, I had no idea that he was a fellow KCL alum.

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