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Doctor Who: Former companions to join Jodie Whittaker's farewell
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Two former Doctor Who companions will appear in Jodie Whittaker's
final adventure later this year.
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Tegan and Ace will join the 13th Doctor in the special episode
being broadcast this autumn.

The news was revealed in a trailer that followed the show's
Easter special.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiV8PfupbjY>

The short teaser also revealed that the episode will feature
the Doctor's arch enemy The Master (Sacha Dhawan) and two of
her most famous foes, the Daleks and the Cybermen.

Tegan Jovanka, an Australian air stewardess, appeared on the
BBC One show between 1981 and 1984 as a companion to Tom Baker
and Peter Davison's Doctors.

It's the first time she's been seen on screen in almost 40
years.

She's played by Janet Fielding, who says: "In some ways it was
a very different experience to what it was like when I finished
recording in 1983, but in many ways it was very similar. It was
so lovely to be a working member of the Doctor Who family
again."

Ace was in the TV drama from 1987 to 1989 alongside Sylvester
McCoy's seventh Doctor.

Actress Sophie Aldred says: "It's been quite a challenge to
have such a big secret to keep, even from my family, and
I couldn't be more thrilled and excited to have been asked
back. I hope everyone enjoys it as much as I adored being part
of the TARDIS team again."

She was the show's final companion before it went on a 16-year
hiatus. Writer/producer Russell T Davies revived it in 2005
with Christopher Eccleston playing the returning Doctor.

Whittaker, the first woman to play the Doctor, has appeared in
three series of the sci-fi drama. Her first series in 2018 was
one of its most-watched ever.

She announced that she was quitting the role last summer, and
that she would be saying goodbye to the character in three
specials.

Her replacement as the Doctor is expected to be revealed in
the coming weeks.

<https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-61111999>

tsbr...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 7:39:19 PM UTC-7, netk...@gmail.com
> wrote:
> > In article <261eeab9-dd8c-4640...@googlegroups.com>,
> > tsbru...@gmail.com <tsbru...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 4:08:17 PM UTC-7,
> > > netk...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> The Chibnall Reign of Error should be retconned!
> > >
> > > By means of Tegan and Ace coming out of a shower?
> >
> > You really are dense Tim!
>
> You have advocated Doctor Who pulling a Dallas shower scene!

Not "Debbie Does Dallas" though! Two women in a shower is a
completely different thing Tim!

And not the sort of thing I object to either...

"tsbru...@gmail.com" <tsbrueni264@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6fbbbed9-9f2c-4e78-9796-3920be48cb06n@googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Tegan Jovanka, an Australian air stewardess, appeared on the
>> BBC One show between 1981 and 1984 as a companion to Tom Baker
>> and Peter Davison's Doctors.
>
> I foresee her trying to strangle the Master!

I don't.

> Plot: The Master, Cybermen, and Daleks go back in time to save the
> dinosaurs.

That's not a plot.

Blueshirt wrote on 18/4/22 5:50 pm:
> tsbr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 7:39:19 PM UTC-7, netk...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>> In article <261eeab9-dd8c-4640...@googlegroups.com>,
>>> tsbru...@gmail.com <tsbru...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 4:08:17 PM UTC-7,
>>>> netk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> The Chibnall Reign of Error should be retconned!
>>>>
>>>> By means of Tegan and Ace coming out of a shower?
>>>
>>> You really are dense Tim!
>>
>> You have advocated Doctor Who pulling a Dallas shower scene!
>
> Not "Debbie Does Dallas" though! Two women in a shower is a
> completely different thing Tim!
>
> And not the sort of thing I object to either...

"Debbie Does Dallas" had two women, did it?? I must have missed that! ;-P
--
Daniel

"tsbr...@gmail.com" <tsbrueni@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:76af3a0f-f95d-4dbe-b5fc-a1957bcd034bn@googlegroups.com...
> On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 4:43:15 AM UTC-7, The Other Doctor wrote:
>> "tsbru...@gmail.com" <tsbru...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:6fbbbed9-9f2c-4e78...@googlegroups.com...
>> >>
>> >> Tegan Jovanka, an Australian air stewardess, appeared on the
>> >> BBC One show between 1981 and 1984 as a companion to Tom Baker
>> >> and Peter Davison's Doctors.
>> >
>> > I foresee her trying to strangle the Master!
>> I don't.
>
> She would be mad at him for downsizing her aunt in 1981!

Do you try strangling everyone you get mad at, Tim?

>> > Plot: The Master, Cybermen, and Daleks go back in time to save the
>> > dinosaurs.
>> That's not a plot.
>
> What would be a plot in which the villains go back in time to save the
> dinosaurs?

A plot tells the main events of a story, devised and presented by the writer
as an interrelated sequence. For you to have a plot, you need to explain why
the Master, Cybermen and Daleks need to team up, and how they achieve it.
You need to explain how they go back in time. You need to explain how and
why they want to save the dinosaurs. You need to explain if they succeed. If
they don't succeed, how are they stopped?

It's a story only you want, Tim. I'm not going to write it for you. So -
over to you.

tsbr...@gmail.com <tsbrueni@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 4:43:15 AM UTC-7, The Other Doctor wrote:
>> "tsbru...@gmail.com" <tsbru...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:6fbbbed9-9f2c-4e78...@googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>> Tegan Jovanka, an Australian air stewardess, appeared on the
>>>> BBC One show between 1981 and 1984 as a companion to Tom Baker
>>>> and Peter Davison's Doctors.
>>>
>>> I foresee her trying to strangle the Master!
>> I don't.
>
> She would be mad at him for downsizing her aunt in 1981!

She didn’t try to strangle him in ‘Castrovalva’. She didn’t try to strangle
him in ‘Time Flight’. She didn’t try to strangle him in ‘The King’s
Demons’. She didn’t try to strangle him in ‘The Five Doctors’. Why should
she now try to strangle him after a further 40 years have passed?
>
>>> Plot: The Master, Cybermen, and Daleks go back in time to save the
>>> dinosaurs.
>> That's not a plot.
>
> What would be a plot in which the villains go back in time to save the dinosaurs?

You would need to explain the motivation. Why are they willing to work
together? How do they go back? How does the Doctor find out? Why do they
want to save the dinosaurs? How will the Doctor stop them? Are there any
unexpected consequences (eg Silurians now sharing the planet openly with
mankind?) Are there any key guest stars and what part do they play? How
does the Master betray his partners and why?

YOU have to determine these points in order to construct a plot. Throwing
one sentence at a page is just the germ of an idea, not a whole one.

--
There are some corners of the universe
which have bred the most terrible things.
Things which act against everything we believe in.

They must be /fought/.

tsbr...@gmail.com <tsbrueni@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 9:12:25 AM UTC-7, The Last Doctor wrote:
>> tsbr...@gmail.com <tsbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 4:43:15 AM UTC-7, The Other Doctor wrote:
>>>> "tsbru...@gmail.com" <tsbru...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:6fbbbed9-9f2c-4e78...@googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tegan Jovanka, an Australian air stewardess, appeared on the
>>>>>> BBC One show between 1981 and 1984 as a companion to Tom Baker
>>>>>> and Peter Davison's Doctors.
>>>>>
>>>>> I foresee her trying to strangle the Master!
>>>> I don't.
>>>
>>> She would be mad at him for downsizing her aunt in 1981!
>> She didn’t try to strangle him in ‘Castrovalva’. She didn’t try to strangle
>> him in ‘Time Flight’. She didn’t try to strangle him in ‘The King’s
>> Demons’. She didn’t try to strangle him in ‘The Five Doctors’. Why should
>> she now try to strangle him after a further 40 years have passed?
>>>
>>>>> Plot: The Master, Cybermen, and Daleks go back in time to save the
>>>>> dinosaurs.
>>>> That's not a plot.
>>>
>>> What would be a plot in which the villains go back in time to save the dinosaurs?
>> You would need to explain the motivation. Why are they willing to work
>> together?
>
> To destroy the Doctor, their common enemy, by destroying the human race retroactively!

How does preventing the human race from existing destroy the Doctor.
>
> How do they go back?
>
> Both the Daleks and the Master have access to time travel technology.
>
> How does the Doctor find out?
>
> Unusual time ripples on the TARDIS scanner.
>
> Why do they
>> want to save the dinosaurs?
>
> To erase humanity retroactively. The dinosaurs had been blocking the
> evolution of large mammals.

Had they? Define large in this context, some Jurassic mammals were at
least badger sized and ate small dinosaurs.

> The Master et al plan to set up a large force field to block the Dinosaur
> Killer Space Freighter from reaching the ground, exploding it well above the ground.

>
> Maybe the Cybermen can disarm the bombs on the freighter, since they had
> emplaced the bombs in the first place!
>
> Another possibility: The Master seeks to capture Adric from the freighter
> and use him for his toughest math problems.
>
> How will the Doctor stop them?
>
> With her sonic, what else?

Was hoping she’d use her brain. What would the sonic do that would change
things?

>
> Are there any
>> unexpected consequences (eg Silurians now sharing the planet openly with
>> mankind?)
>
> Are you imagining the Doctor waking up the Silurians in 3020 and
> recruiting them to help her?

No, I was thinking that if some saurians thrived alongside the evolution of
mammals, maybe the Eocene and the apes would learn to live in harmony.

Which would set the Doctor a huge ethical dilemma - should she be acting to
prevent what appears to be a BETTER future from happening?

>

> Are there any key guest stars and what part do they play? How
>> does the Master betray his partners and why?
>
> Davros. We might have the Daleks do the betraying, as they appear to
> have a feud going with the Master.
>

See? Now you’re getting towards a plot. Way too much fanwank though, cut
down on the number of bad guys so you can give them a clear focus. (I’m
very much afraid there will be tokenism and stupid motivations driving the
clash of too many enemies in the BBC 100 special).

--
There are some corners of the universe
which have bred the most terrible things.
Things which act against everything we believe in.

They must be /fought/.

Daniel65 wrote:

> Blueshirt wrote on 18/4/22 5:50 pm:
> > tsbr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 7:39:19 PM UTC-7, netk...@gmail.com
> > > wrote:
> > > > In article <261eeab9-dd8c-4640...@googlegroups.com>,
> >>>tsbru...@gmail.com <tsbru...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 4:08:17 PM UTC-7,
> > > > > netk...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > The Chibnall Reign of Error should be retconned!
> > > > >
> > > > > By means of Tegan and Ace coming out of a shower?
> > > >
> > > > You really are dense Tim!
> > >
> > > You have advocated Doctor Who pulling a Dallas shower scene!
> >
> > Not "Debbie Does Dallas" though! Two women in a shower is a
> > completely different thing Tim!
> >
> > And not the sort of thing I object to either...
>
> "Debbie Does Dallas" had two women, did it?? I must have missed
> that! ;-P

You missed the cheerleaders in the locker room/shower scene? What was
you doing?!! <big grin>

On 2022-04-18 07:50:28 +0000, Blueshirt said:
> tsbr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 7:39:19 PM UTC-7, netk...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>> In article <261eeab9-dd8c-4640...@googlegroups.com>,
>>> tsbru...@gmail.com <tsbru...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 4:08:17 PM UTC-7,
>>>> netk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> The Chibnall Reign of Error should be retconned!
>>>>
>>>> By means of Tegan and Ace coming out of a shower?
>>>
>>> You really are dense Tim!
>>
>> You have advocated Doctor Who pulling a Dallas shower scene!
>
> Not "Debbie Does Dallas" though! Two women in a shower is a
> completely different thing Tim!
>
> And not the sort of thing I object to either...

You might change your mind when you se what they look like now ...

<https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/12E25/production/_124194377_acetegan.jpg>

And how long were they in that shower?!? 40 years!

Blueshirt wrote on 19/4/22 6:04 am:
> Daniel65 wrote:
>> Blueshirt wrote on 18/4/22 5:50 pm:
>>> tsbr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 7:39:19 PM UTC-7,
>>>> netk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> In article <261eeab9-dd8c-4640...@googlegroups.com>,
>>>>> tsbru...@gmail.com <tsbru...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 4:08:17 PM UTC-7,
>>>>>> netk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> The Chibnall Reign of Error should be retconned!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By means of Tegan and Ace coming out of a shower?
>>>>>
>>>>> You really are dense Tim!
>>>>
>>>> You have advocated Doctor Who pulling a Dallas shower scene!
>>>
>>> Not "Debbie Does Dallas" though! Two women in a shower is a
>>> completely different thing Tim!
>>>
>>> And not the sort of thing I object to either...
>>
>> "Debbie Does Dallas" had two women, did it?? I must have missed
>> that! ;-P
>
> You missed the cheerleaders in the locker room/shower scene? What
> was you doing?!! <big grin>

(Shyly) I was being a good boy! ;-P Trust me!!
--
Daniel

tsbr...@gmail.com <tsbrueni@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 10:53:03 AM UTC-7, The Last Doctor wrote:
>> (I’m
>> very much afraid there will be tokenism and stupid motivations driving the
>> clash of too many enemies in the BBC 100 special).
>
> Are you expecting Black, Asian, Hispanic, female, gay, and transgender Daleks and Cybermen?
>

No Tim. I wouldn’t expect even Chibnall to be so stupid as to assign
obvious human distinctions to aliens.

The tokenism would be the token inclusion of one or more of the enemy
groups just to have them there because it’s a special. As happened in The
Five Doctors, for example. And/or, these extraneous enemies might have
stupid motivations or no discernible motivations whatsoever.

That’s why I suggested you not just jumble up a greatest hits collection of
monsters in your plot either. Sometimes, less is more.

--
There are some corners of the universe
which have bred the most terrible things.
Things which act against everything we believe in.

They must be /fought/.

tsbr...@gmail.com <tsbrueni@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 5:23:08 AM UTC-7, The Last Doctor wrote:
>> tsbr...@gmail.com <tsbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 10:53:03 AM UTC-7, The Last Doctor wrote:
>>>> (I’m
>>>> very much afraid there will be tokenism and stupid motivations driving the
>>>> clash of too many enemies in the BBC 100 special).
>>>
>>> Are you expecting Black, Asian, Hispanic, female, gay, and transgender
>>> Daleks and Cybermen?
>>>
>> No Tim. I wouldn’t expect even Chibnall to be so stupid as to assign
>> obvious human distinctions to aliens.
>>
>> The tokenism would be the token inclusion of one or more of the enemy
>> groups just to have them there because it’s a special. As happened in The
>> Five Doctors, for example. And/or, these extraneous enemies might have
>> stupid motivations or no discernible motivations whatsoever.
>
> I saw a whole bunch of alien races at the end of "The Pandorica Opens".
> I also saw several alien races during "The Time of the Doctor". Were
> those examples of tokenism?
>
Did they need to be there? Did they serve the story? If yes, then they were
just part of the story. If no, they were a token presence. What was the
point of the Cybermen in The Five Doctors? The Dalek in The Wedding of
River Song?

--
There are some corners of the universe
which have bred the most terrible things.
Things which act against everything we believe in.

They must be /fought/.

The Doctor wrote on 20/04/2022 1:32 pm:
> In article <2833e8ce-fdc6-4c95-9561-f779ebd29551n@googlegroups.com>,
> tsbr...@gmail.com <tsbrueni@gmail.com> wrote:

<Snip>

>> I saw a whole bunch of alien races at the end of "The Pandorica
>> Opens". I also saw several alien races during "The Time of the
>> Doctor". Were those examples of tokenism?
>
> No. IT is called going over the edge.

No!! "IT" is called "Information Technology", clown!

Any decent ISP would know about such things, clown!!

Oh! And by the way, clown .... (AKJV) Luke 6:42 Either how canst thou
say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine
eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then
shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother’s eye.
--
Daniel

The Doctor wrote on 20/04/2022 1:33 pm:
> In article <2ae82002-cc0c-4175-a90d-82dc358927c4n@googlegroups.com>,
> tsbr...@gmail.com <tsbrueni@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 5:23:08 AM UTC-7, The Last Doctor
>> wrote:
>>> tsbr...@gmail.com <tsbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 10:53:03 AM UTC-7, The Last Doctor
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> (I’m very much afraid there will be tokenism and stupid
>>>>> motivations driving the clash of too many enemies in the BBC
>>>>> 100 special).
>>>>
>>>> Are you expecting Black, Asian, Hispanic, female, gay, and
>> transgender Daleks and Cybermen?
>>>>
>>> No Tim. I wouldn’t expect even Chibnall to be so stupid as to
>>> assign obvious human distinctions to aliens.
>>>
>>> The tokenism would be the token inclusion of one or more of the
>>> enemy groups just to have them there because it’s a special. As
>>> happened in The Five Doctors, for example. And/or, these
>>> extraneous enemies might have stupid motivations or no
>>> discernible motivations whatsoever.
>>
>> Did tokenism happen during the Flux story?
>
> How?

No, clown, Tim asked a 'Did' question, clown, not a 'How' question, clown!!

Oh! And by the way, clown .... (AKJV) Luke 6:42 Either how canst thou
say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine
eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then
shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother’s eye.
--
Daniel