On Monday, January 3, 2005 at 7:17:13 AM UTC-8, Josep Vilanova wrote:
> I never liked Rattle (mostly since I paid £150 to see him butchering a
> Parsifal in the Royal Opera House in London). I always had an strong
> admiration to Barenboim though. Now that Rattle has been the main conductor
> (or whatever his title is) of the Berlin Philarmonic for a while, what is
> the general view of him there? Do people consider him worthy to have that
> post? Do people consider him a waste of time, a mistake taken by the members
> of that orchestra in a moment of collective delusion? Do they think that
> Barenboim would have been a much better candidate? Do they consider Rattle a
> worthy successor of Furtwangler, Karajan and Abbado?
> josep

https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/humanities.music.composers.wagner/c/wdiopOqm_f8

Reading this topic, some time after Rattle's tenure at Berlin ended, one wonders again, especially at the posters who seem to think they are better judges of who should have gotten the BPO job, Rattle or Barenboim than the BPO orchestra members.
And this included crazy squeak Hurwitz who thinks the orchestra would base its decision on how critics like him talked about Barenboim's Bruckner cycle with the BPO.
Obviously an orchestra thinks about other things: how is working every day with mr X or Y going to be, where is he going with the orchestra culture and character, what kind of music are we going to perform with him and how will we connect with Berlin, Germany and the world in the future?
Orchestras frigging hate making records.

Herman schrieb am Samstag, 26. August 2023 um 10:53:45 UTC+2:
> Reading this topic, some time after Rattle's tenure at Berlin ended, one wonders again, especially at the posters who seem to think they are better judges of who should have gotten the BPO job, Rattle or Barenboim than the BPO orchestra members.
> And this included crazy squeak Hurwitz who thinks the orchestra would base its decision on how critics like him talked about Barenboim's Bruckner cycle with the BPO.
> Obviously an orchestra thinks about other things: how is working every day with mr X or Y going to be, where is he going with the orchestra culture and character, what kind of music are we going to perform with him and how will we connect with Berlin, Germany and the world in the future?
> Orchestras frigging hate making records.

I am just using your post - which I haven't read - to tell y'all that imo the best Beethoven recordings were made by Erich Kleiber, Carlos Kleiber, Mengelberg and Karajan (1963).

On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 1:53:45 AM UTC-7, Herman wrote:
> Reading this topic, some time after Rattle's tenure at Berlin ended, one wonders again, especially at the posters who seem to think they are better judges of who should have gotten the BPO job, Rattle or Barenboim than the BPO orchestra members.
> And this included crazy squeak Hurwitz who thinks the orchestra would base its decision on how critics like him talked about Barenboim's Bruckner cycle with the BPO.
> Obviously an orchestra thinks about other things: how is working every day with mr X or Y going to be, where is he going with the orchestra culture and character, what kind of music are we going to perform with him and how will we connect with Berlin, Germany and the world in the future?
> Orchestras frigging hate making records.

https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/rec.music.classical.recordings/c/fZx4xhgUfx4/m/C5NOa-_nCQAJ