On 4/19/2021 7:34 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> YASID: Aliens passing the Earth in a space ship and one of them says,
> "Ew, the ghetto !" ?
>
> Lynn

Was rewatching the 2019 Captain Marvel movie and one of the Kree said
that the Earth is a real dump.

Lynn

On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 13:33:59 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 4/19/2021 7:34 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> YASID: Aliens passing the Earth in a space ship and one of them says,
>> "Ew, the ghetto !" ?
>>
>> Lynn
>
>Was rewatching the 2019 Captain Marvel movie and one of the Kree said
>that the Earth is a real dump.

I found that very ... informative.

I had thought that "Avengers" meant something.

I never realized it was exactly as meaningless as the name of a sports
team.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 10:08:40 AM UTC-6, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 13:33:59 -0500, Lynn McGuire
> <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >Was rewatching the 2019 Captain Marvel movie and one of the Kree said
> >that the Earth is a real dump.

> I found that very ... informative.
>
> I had thought that "Avengers" meant something.
>
> I never realized it was exactly as meaningless as the name of a sports
> team.

But it was (the parent company of) DC, not Marvel, that bought Fawcett.

Oh, you mean the _other_ Captain Marvel.

The Avengers: a super-hero team that started out with Iron Man, Thor, the Hulk,
and Giant-Man (and the Wasp). But, yes, they didn't really go around *avenging*
things specifically.

Of course, to me, The Avengers will always mean John Steed and Emma Peel.

I mean, in addition to Diana Rigg's figure and peaches-and-cream complexion, there
was *also* Laurie Johnson's immensely catchy music.

John Savard

On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 03:29:11 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
<jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

>On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 10:08:40 AM UTC-6, Paul S Person wrote:
>> On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 13:33:59 -0500, Lynn McGuire
>> <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >Was rewatching the 2019 Captain Marvel movie and one of the Kree said
>> >that the Earth is a real dump.
>
>> I found that very ... informative.
>>
>> I had thought that "Avengers" meant something.
>>
>> I never realized it was exactly as meaningless as the name of a sports
>> team.
>
>But it was (the parent company of) DC, not Marvel, that bought Fawcett.
>
>Oh, you mean the _other_ Captain Marvel.
>
>The Avengers: a super-hero team that started out with Iron Man, Thor, the Hulk,
>and Giant-Man (and the Wasp). But, yes, they didn't really go around *avenging*
>things specifically.
>
>Of course, to me, The Avengers will always mean John Steed and Emma Peel.
>
>I mean, in addition to Diana Rigg's figure and peaches-and-cream complexion, there
>was *also* Laurie Johnson's immensely catchy music.

You never saw the film, did you?

It /explicitly/ shows how the name originated.

The name has no meaning at all.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 11:47:17 AM UTC-4, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 03:29:11 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
> <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 10:08:40 AM UTC-6, Paul S Person wrote:
> >> On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 13:33:59 -0500, Lynn McGuire
> >> <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> >Was rewatching the 2019 Captain Marvel movie and one of the Kree said
> >> >that the Earth is a real dump.
> >
> >> I found that very ... informative.
> >>
> >> I had thought that "Avengers" meant something.
> >>
> >> I never realized it was exactly as meaningless as the name of a sports
> >> team.
> >
> >But it was (the parent company of) DC, not Marvel, that bought Fawcett.
> >
> >Oh, you mean the _other_ Captain Marvel.
> >
> >The Avengers: a super-hero team that started out with Iron Man, Thor, the Hulk,
> >and Giant-Man (and the Wasp). But, yes, they didn't really go around *avenging*
> >things specifically.
> >
> >Of course, to me, The Avengers will always mean John Steed and Emma Peel.
> >
> >I mean, in addition to Diana Rigg's figure and peaches-and-cream complexion, there
> >was *also* Laurie Johnson's immensely catchy music.
> You never saw the film, did you?
>
> It /explicitly/ shows how the name originated.
>
> The name has no meaning at all.
> --
>

I suspect Stan Lee used "Avengers' because it was snappy, and was
another case of Marvel squatting on dormant trademarks of once-
popular characters - in this case, Richard Benson.

https://thepulp.net/pulpsuperfan/2014/07/14/meet-justice-inc-the-avenger/

--
Kevin R

On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 9:47:17 AM UTC-6, Paul S Person wrote:

> You never saw the film, did you?

If you mean the movie with Ralph Fiennes and Uma Thurman, no I didn't.

If you mean the 2012 film with Robert Downey Jr., Chris Evans, Mark Ruffalo,
Chris Hemsworth, Scarlett Johansson, and Jeremy Renner... no, I didn't see
that one _either_, but whatever that movie may say about how the name of
that group originated is simply *irrelevant*, as it is the comic book that is
the canonical source on these matters.

John Savard

On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 10:14:14 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
<jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

>On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 9:47:17 AM UTC-6, Paul S Person wrote:
>
>> You never saw the film, did you?
>
>If you mean the movie with Ralph Fiennes and Uma Thurman, no I didn't.
>
>If you mean the 2012 film with Robert Downey Jr., Chris Evans, Mark Ruffalo,
>Chris Hemsworth, Scarlett Johansson, and Jeremy Renner... no, I didn't see
>that one _either_, but whatever that movie may say about how the name of
>that group originated is simply *irrelevant*, as it is the comic book that is
>the canonical source on these matters.

I'm not finding a 2012 film named "Captain Marvel" on IMDb. Perhaps
you could provide proof-of-existence, ie, a link. The same goes for
one with Finnes and Thurman -- not found, need proof-of-existence.

You do know what we are talking about, right? The meaning of the name
"Avengers" in the Marvel movies.

The one /I/ am referring to is
<https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4154664/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_1>
and is neither of those you claim to have existed, albeit never seen
by you.

And, if you haven't seen it, you have no idea where the name
"Avengers" came from.

In the film, that is, to Nick Furie. Where Marvel got it has been
discussed elsewhere, and I have /no/ idea what its origin was (or
origins were, at various times) in the comics.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

On 10/12/2021 12:14 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 9:47:17 AM UTC-6, Paul S Person wrote:
>
>> You never saw the film, did you?
>
> If you mean the movie with Ralph Fiennes and Uma Thurman, no I didn't.
>
> If you mean the 2012 film with Robert Downey Jr., Chris Evans, Mark Ruffalo,
> Chris Hemsworth, Scarlett Johansson, and Jeremy Renner... no, I didn't see
> that one _either_, but whatever that movie may say about how the name of
> that group originated is simply *irrelevant*, as it is the comic book that is
> the canonical source on these matters.
>
> John Savard

Dude, you are obtuse to the point of canceling yourself.

Lynn

On 10/13/2021 11:48 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 10/12/2021 12:14 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
>> On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 9:47:17 AM UTC-6, Paul S Person wrote:
>>
>>> You never saw the film, did you?
>>
>> If you mean the movie with Ralph Fiennes and Uma Thurman, no I didn't.
>>
>> If you mean the 2012 film with Robert Downey Jr., Chris Evans, Mark
>> Ruffalo,
>> Chris Hemsworth, Scarlett Johansson, and Jeremy Renner... no, I didn't
>> see
>> that one _either_, but whatever that movie may say about how the name of
>> that group originated is simply *irrelevant*, as it is the comic book
>> that is
>> the canonical source on these matters.
>>
>> John Savard
>
> Dude, you are obtuse to the point of canceling yourself.
>
Quadie is so obtuse that he's an acute pain in the posterior.

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

On Wednesday, 13 October 2021 at 17:26:18 UTC+1, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 10:14:14 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
> <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 9:47:17 AM UTC-6, Paul S Person wrote:
> >
> >> You never saw the film, did you?
> >
> >If you mean the movie with Ralph Fiennes and Uma Thurman, no I didn't.
> >
> >If you mean the 2012 film with Robert Downey Jr., Chris Evans, Mark Ruffalo,
> >Chris Hemsworth, Scarlett Johansson, and Jeremy Renner... no, I didn't see
> >that one _either_, but whatever that movie may say about how the name of
> >that group originated is simply *irrelevant*, as it is the comic book that is
> >the canonical source on these matters.
> I'm not finding a 2012 film named "Captain Marvel" on IMDb. Perhaps
> you could provide proof-of-existence, ie, a link. The same goes for
> one with Finnes and Thurman -- not found, need proof-of-existence.

"Marvel Avengers Assemble" is the title, and from that,
logically, the cast inferred that they must be the "Avengers".
As indeed they are.

<https://www.imdb.com/find?q=Avengers> ought to do
to find you the 1998 Avengers.

Initially they were avenging the murder of David Keel's fiancée.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Snow_%28The_Avengers%29>

> You do know what we are talking about, right? The meaning of the name
> "Avengers" in the Marvel movies.
>
> The one /I/ am referring to is
> <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4154664/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_1>
> and is neither of those you claim to have existed, albeit never seen
> by you.
>
> And, if you haven't seen it, you have no idea where the name
> "Avengers" came from.
>
> In the film, that is, to Nick Furie. Where Marvel got it has been
> discussed elsewhere, and I have /no/ idea what its origin was (or
> origins were, at various times) in the comics.
> --
> "I begin to envy Petronius."
> "I have envied him long since."

On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 10:26:18 AM UTC-6, Paul S Person wrote:

> The one /I/ am referring to is
> <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4154664/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_1>
> and is neither of those you claim to have existed, albeit never seen
> by you.

Ah. In that case, I would have claimed that

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0448115/

existed, but I hadn't seen it.

Not that I would have expected any iteration of the Avengers to be mentioned
in that film.

John Savard

On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 16:13:59 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
<rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, 13 October 2021 at 17:26:18 UTC+1, Paul S Person wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 10:14:14 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
>> <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>
>> >On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 9:47:17 AM UTC-6, Paul S Person wrote:
>> >
>> >> You never saw the film, did you?
>> >
>> >If you mean the movie with Ralph Fiennes and Uma Thurman, no I didn't.
>> >
>> >If you mean the 2012 film with Robert Downey Jr., Chris Evans, Mark Ruffalo,
>> >Chris Hemsworth, Scarlett Johansson, and Jeremy Renner... no, I didn't see
>> >that one _either_, but whatever that movie may say about how the name of
>> >that group originated is simply *irrelevant*, as it is the comic book that is
>> >the canonical source on these matters.
>> I'm not finding a 2012 film named "Captain Marvel" on IMDb. Perhaps
>> you could provide proof-of-existence, ie, a link. The same goes for
>> one with Finnes and Thurman -- not found, need proof-of-existence.
>
>"Marvel Avengers Assemble" is the title, and from that,
>logically, the cast inferred that they must be the "Avengers".
>As indeed they are.
>
><https://www.imdb.com/find?q=Avengers> ought to do
>to find you the 1998 Avengers.

Sadly, we are looking for a film named "Captain Marvel".

>Initially they were avenging the murder of David Keel's fiancée.
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Snow_%28The_Avengers%29>

Sadly, not the "Avengers" under discussion.

But a good reminder that they are often (always?) "/Marvel's/
Avengers" in the advertising for the films. Copyright/trademark
problems, perhaps?

>> You do know what we are talking about, right? The meaning of the name
>> "Avengers" in the Marvel movies.
>>
>> The one /I/ am referring to is
>> <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4154664/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_1>
>> and is neither of those you claim to have existed, albeit never seen
>> by you.
>>
>> And, if you haven't seen it, you have no idea where the name
>> "Avengers" came from.
>>
>> In the film, that is, to Nick Furie. Where Marvel got it has been
>> discussed elsewhere, and I have /no/ idea what its origin was (or
>> origins were, at various times) in the comics.
>> --
>> "I begin to envy Petronius."
>> "I have envied him long since."
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 05:01:24 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
<jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

>On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 10:26:18 AM UTC-6, Paul S Person wrote:
>
>> The one /I/ am referring to is
>> <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4154664/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_1>
>> and is neither of those you claim to have existed, albeit never seen
>> by you.
>
>Ah. In that case, I would have claimed that
>
>https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0448115/
>
>existed, but I hadn't seen it.
>
>Not that I would have expected any iteration of the Avengers to be mentioned
>in that film.

As (IIRC) discussed here a while back, DC renamed /their/ Captain
Marvel to Shazam a while back. It now has nothing to do with Marvel,
or their Captain Marvel, or their Avengers.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."