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* Re: Meaning of the name "Mozart"Dan Koren
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 by: Dan Koren - Mon, 18 Dec 2023 11:18 UTC

On Sunday, December 17, 2023 at 11:27:56 PM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
> "The surname was first recorded in the 14th century as Mozahrt in Germany.. It is a compound word, the first part of which is Middle High German mos, also spelt mosz, and meaning “bog, marsh” in southern dialects (compare modern German Moos). The second part is the common name-forming suffix -hart. It was used as a negative nickname for dirty or sloppy people."
>
> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Mozart
>
> For the Germans:
>
> "Mozart ist ein deutscher Name, der seit etwa 1321 in Schwaben, der Gegend zwischen Lech, Donau und Allgäu nachweisbar ist. Die ursprüngliche Schreibweise ist Moſzhart und bedeutet entweder schmutziger Mensch oder sumpfiges Gehölz, je nach Übersetzung des Begriffs Hardt bzw. Hart. Das Wort Hardt kommt bis heute in vielen Dorfnamen nahe Augsburg vor, Hart ist noch weiter verbreitet.
>
> Aus dieser Gegend stammt auch eine Familie von Kunsthandwerkern und Musikern dieses Namens; ihr entstammt Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart."
>
> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozart_(Familie)
>
> ---- Meaning of Mozart's name and his music vs meaning of Schoenberg's name and his music ;D

I prefer Meowszart. It sounds more mewsical.

Cheers

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 by: Dan Koren - Tue, 19 Dec 2023 00:42 UTC

On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 9:02:14 AM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 10:18:22 PM UTC+11, Dan Koren wrote:
>
> > I prefer Meowszart. It sounds more mewsical.
>
> I prefer Moishe der Zart.

Mūsā sounds more Arabic.

Why waste infidel names
on a great composer? ;-)

Cheers

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Subject: Re: Meaning of the name "Mozart"
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 by: Marc S - Tue, 19 Dec 2023 06:33 UTC

Dan Koren schrieb am Dienstag, 19. Dezember 2023 um 01:42:32 UTC+1:
> On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 9:02:14 AM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> > On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 10:18:22 PM UTC+11, Dan Koren wrote:
> >
> > > I prefer Meowszart. It sounds more mewsical.
> >
> > I prefer Moishe der Zart.
> Mūsā sounds more Arabic.
>
> Why waste infidel names
> on a great composer? ;-)

Because Mozart was an infidel ;)

Out of Mozart's Serail:

"PEDRILLO:

Mohammed has been asleep for ages,
and he has got better things to do
than to worry about your bottle of wine.

No. 14 - Duet

PEDRILLO:
Vivat Bacchus,
Long live Bacchus,
Bacchus was a fine fellow.

OSMIN:
Shall I chance it?
Shall I drink it?
Can Allah see me?

PEDRILLO:
What's the use of wavering?
Down with it, down with it!
Don't delay any longer!

OSMIN:
(drinks)
Now the deed is done,
Now I have downed it;
I do declare, that's brave!

TOGETHER:
Three cheers for the girls,
The blondes, the brunettes,
Three cheers!

PEDRILLO:
It tastes lovely!

OSMIN:
It tastes heavenly!

TOGETHER:
That's what I call a drink for the Gods!
Vivat Bacchus,
Long live Bacchus,
Bacchus who discovered wine!"

>
> Cheers

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 by: Dan Koren - Tue, 19 Dec 2023 21:16 UTC

Has the Die Entführung aus dem Serail been staged
in Turkey or any other Arab and/or Muslim countries?

On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 10:33:11 PM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
> Dan Koren schrieb am Dienstag, 19. Dezember 2023 um 01:42:32 UTC+1:
> > On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 9:02:14 AM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> > > On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 10:18:22 PM UTC+11, Dan Koren wrote:
> > >
> > > > I prefer Meowszart. It sounds more mewsical.
> > >
> > > I prefer Moishe der Zart.
> > Mūsā sounds more Arabic.
> >
> > Why waste infidel names
> > on a great composer? ;-)
> Because Mozart was an infidel ;)
>
> Out of Mozart's Serail:
>
> "PEDRILLO:
>
> Mohammed has been asleep for ages,
> and he has got better things to do
> than to worry about your bottle of wine.
>
> No. 14 - Duet
>
> PEDRILLO:
> Vivat Bacchus,
> Long live Bacchus,
> Bacchus was a fine fellow.
>
> OSMIN:
> Shall I chance it?
> Shall I drink it?
> Can Allah see me?
>
> PEDRILLO:
> What's the use of wavering?
> Down with it, down with it!
> Don't delay any longer!
>
> OSMIN:
> (drinks)
> Now the deed is done,
> Now I have downed it;
> I do declare, that's brave!
>
> TOGETHER:
> Three cheers for the girls,
> The blondes, the brunettes,
> Three cheers!
>
> PEDRILLO:
> It tastes lovely!
>
> OSMIN:
> It tastes heavenly!
>
> TOGETHER:
> That's what I call a drink for the Gods!
> Vivat Bacchus,
> Long live Bacchus,
> Bacchus who discovered wine!"
>
> >
> > Cheers

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 by: Marc S - Tue, 19 Dec 2023 21:52 UTC

Dan Koren schrieb am Dienstag, 19. Dezember 2023 um 22:17:02 UTC+1:
> Has the Die Entführung aus dem Serail been staged
> in Turkey or any other Arab and/or Muslim countries?

At least in Turkey - Istanbul:

http://www.oper.de/rezensionen/show/artikel/istanbul-opernfestival-die-entfuehrung-aus-dem-serail/

Istanbul is still quite open I guess mentally - at least in some way.

They also don't ban all hollywood films which contain material critical of islam.

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