I have a number of musical friends here after the many years I have been a member of it, and I will regret sharing posts with these lovely people.

But this newsgroup is being wrecked by sick people and I want no more part in it. Simple as that......... nothing more to be said.

Have a lovely Christmas, guys.

Andy

On Wednesday 20 December 2023 at 11:12:40 UTC+11, Andy Evans wrote:
> I have a number of musical friends here after the many years I have been a member of it, and I will regret sharing posts with these lovely people.
>
> But this newsgroup is being wrecked by sick people and I want no more part in it. Simple as that......... nothing more to be said.
>
> Have a lovely Christmas, guys.
>
> Andy

Sorry to see you feel this way Andy, but yes, these people are truly sick and devoid of any humanity. They are actually more culpable and truth denying than the worst of the SS in WWII.
With a new news agent next year it will have to have a good kill-file ability or I will be out too. I am ashamed to be in the virtual company of the scum here. It demeans me to be here. Those posters I will miss will know who they are. Seasons greetings to them all.

Ray Hall, Taree

On Tuesday, December 19, 2023 at 5:38:44 PM UTC-8, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
>
> ... , these people are truly sick and devoid of any humanity.
> They are actually more culpable and truth denying than the
> worst of the SS in WWII.

Really ?!? How would you tell?

How many SS officers do you
know?

Merry Christmas!

dk

On Tuesday, December 19, 2023 at 4:12:40 PM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:
>
> I have a number of musical friends here after the many years I
> have been a member of it, and I will regret sharing posts with
> these lovely people.

welcome to the Valley of Tears!

> But this newsgroup is being wrecked by sick people and I want
> no more part in it. Simple as that......... nothing more to be said.

At least you are not asking for a
refund!

Cheers,

dk

On 12/19/2023 8:38 PM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday 20 December 2023 at 11:12:40 UTC+11, Andy Evans wrote:
>> I have a number of musical friends here after the many years I have been a member of it, and I will regret sharing posts with these lovely people.
>>
>> But this newsgroup is being wrecked by sick people and I want no more part in it. Simple as that......... nothing more to be said.
>>
>> Have a lovely Christmas, guys.
>>
>> Andy
>
> Sorry to see you feel this way Andy, but yes, these people are truly sick and devoid of any humanity. They are actually more culpable and truth denying than the worst of the SS in WWII.
> With a new news agent next year it will have to have a good kill-file ability or I will be out too. I am ashamed to be in the virtual company of the scum here. It demeans me to be here. Those posters I will miss will know who they are. Seasons greetings to them all.
>
> Ray Hall, Taree
>

ROLF!

On 12/19/2023 7:12 PM, Andy Evans wrote:
> I have a number of musical friends here after the many years I have been a member of it, and I will regret sharing posts with these lovely people.
>
> But this newsgroup is being wrecked by sick people and I want no more part in it. Simple as that......... nothing more to be said.
>
> Have a lovely Christmas, guys.
>
> Andy

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

On Wednesday 20 December 2023 at 13:43:59 UTC+11, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 19, 2023 at 5:38:44 PM UTC-8, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > ... , these people are truly sick and devoid of any humanity.
> > They are actually more culpable and truth denying than the
> > worst of the SS in WWII.
> Really ?!? How would you tell?
>
> How many SS officers do you
> know?

Not as many as you, as is quite obvious.

On Tuesday, December 19, 2023 at 4:12:40 PM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:
> I have a number of musical friends here after the many years I
> have been a member of it, and I will regret sharing posts with
> these lovely people.
> But this newsgroup is being wrecked by sick people and I want
> no more part in it. Simple as that......... nothing more to be said.
> Have a lovely Christmas, guys.

Have a Merry Christmas
and a Happy New Year!

You will not be missed.

dk

Andy Evans schrieb am Mittwoch, 20. Dezember 2023 um 01:12:40 UTC+1:
> I have a number of musical friends here after the many years I have been a member of it, and I will regret sharing posts with these lovely people.

If they really are your friends, Andy, I'm sure you will stay in contact. Otherwise the friendship is just as fake as you are.

>
> But this newsgroup is being wrecked by sick people and I want no more part in it. Simple as that......... nothing more to be said.

Projection.

>
> Have a lovely Christmas, guys.

Fuck off.

>
> Andy

raymond....@gmail.com schrieb am Mittwoch, 20. Dezember 2023 um 02:38:44 UTC+1:
> On Wednesday 20 December 2023 at 11:12:40 UTC+11, Andy Evans wrote:
> > I have a number of musical friends here after the many years I have been a member of it, and I will regret sharing posts with these lovely people.
> >
> > But this newsgroup is being wrecked by sick people and I want no more part in it. Simple as that......... nothing more to be said.
> >
> > Have a lovely Christmas, guys.
> >
> > Andy
> Sorry to see you feel this way Andy, but yes, these people are truly sick and devoid of any humanity. They are actually more culpable and truth denying than the worst of the SS in WWII.

Mhm... you are completely deranged, Ray. Just completely nuts.

> With a new news agent next year it will have to have a good kill-file ability or I will be out too. I am ashamed to be in the virtual company of the scum here. It demeans me to be here. Those posters I will miss will know who they are. Seasons greetings to them all.

"It demeans me to be here" ;D Love it.

>
> Ray Hall, Taree

So, let's see, we have Herman hating on old people (ageism) and on Israel (antisemitism). Furthermore Herman seems to be perfectly fine with teenagers getting their tits cut off in the name of transgender-ideology. Teenage girls wanting to be boys? That's fine with Herman - at least as long as it's not his daughter. So we have Herman just virtue-signalling, but having no principles at all.

Then there is Andy who is also an antisemite and lies about his education. He too doesn't see anything problematic with girls wanting to be boys, and surgeons amputating body parts of teenagers to fulfill their insane desires..

Then we have Ray who is a historical revisionist and imagines Dan, Frank and myself (and ofc the IDF) to be worse than the SS ;D Can't make this shit up. Pure antisemitism. Ray - being just as perverted as Herman and Andy are - also doesn't have a problem with the mutilation of the bodies of minors.

Oscar comes into the mix, being nice to antisemites and people who have no problem with bodies of teenagers being mutilated. Oscar just wants to talk about music, you see ;) no matter with whom.

And Gerard basically is just like Herman and Andy and Ray in a sense.

Oh... not to forget about cheregi - a man who identifies himself as a woman - who has family in Israel as he has told us all, told Ray (who is now equating the IDF with the SS) t's completely fine to portray the IDF as some kind of evil entity.

LOL

On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 12:18:20 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
>
> Oscar comes into the mix, being nice to antisemites and people who
> have no problem with bodies of teenagers being mutilated. Oscar just
> wants to talk about music, you see ;) no matter with whom.

Oscar wants to talk about Nixon and Trump more than he wants to talk
about music. His stated "interest" in music is nothing more than a cover
for his political agendas.

Cheers

I view this differently. Oscar's interest in music is genuine (he cried listening to MTT conduct Beethoven 9 - c'mon ;) ), but shallow; he is more interested in "insider-info" (which for example was provided by td - which is why Oscar fancied him) about the industry, or just general infos about recordings (who produced it, who were the artists, when was it released, by which label, etc - this kind of stuff).

Oscar - who also shows a worrying degree of narcissistic traits - seems to view himself as some kind of sophisticated guy, as a conservative with backbone. Unfortunately Oscar has a false image of himself. He is a coward and a fool.

Three cheers!

On Wednesday 20 December 2023 at 03:25:56 UTC, Frank Berger wrote:
> Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Just a short postscript. When I said "wrecked by sick people" what I should have said is that this newsgroup is being systematically destroyed by a gang of 3 anti-gentiles, DK, Marc S and Frank Berger, who enthusiastically support the Gaza Massacre of over 12,000 women and children. These are more than sick people, they are a gang of career criminals. I can't share a newsgroup with career criminals, it makes me feel guilty by association and sick to the bottom of my stomach.

An example of Oscar's lack of a moral compass and absolute idiocy:

Oscar schrieb am Sonntag, 29. Oktober 2023 um 23:21:05 UTC+1:
> On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 1:02:35 PM, vhorowitz wrote:
> >
> > That was definitely a joke on my part. However biting and laser directed it is, it’s obvious that you have a sense of humor, where is TD most assuredly surely did not!
> And yet—and YET!—teedee was a more valued and integral part of the group, of course, in spite of his abhorrent views on Jews and world Jewry in toto. He had wit, intelligence, insider info, and passion. Whereas deekay is a bit off his rocker, floods the zone with endless posts, is pedantic and argumentative to a fault, and a will not let a sleeping dog lay. Deekay!

Even though Oscar acknowledges that td was a virulent antisemite, he argues that td was intelligent... Mhmmm... And ofc Oscar looks past everything, because td made himself feel special - you know, because of the "valuable" insider-info Oscar got from td.

Lesson of the story:
As long as you provide insider info, Oscar will look past your antisemitism and hold you in high regard ;) (because you are feeding his narcissism; him being a snob).

Andy Evans schrieb am Mittwoch, 20. Dezember 2023 um 12:51:02 UTC+1:
> On Wednesday 20 December 2023 at 03:25:56 UTC, Frank Berger wrote:
> > Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
> Just a short postscript. When I said "wrecked by sick people" what I should have said is that this newsgroup is being systematically destroyed by a gang of 3 anti-gentiles, DK, Marc S and Frank Berger, who enthusiastically support the Gaza Massacre of over 12,000 women and children. These are more than sick people, they are a gang of career criminals. I can't share a newsgroup with career criminals, it makes me feel guilty by association and sick to the bottom of my stomach.

What happened to: "I am leaving this ng with immediate effect"?

"systematically destroyed by a gang of 3 anti-gentiles, DK, Marc S and Frank Berger"... I just can't... this is too funny. Please don't leave us, Andy.

So we have Andy arguing that we are anti-gentiles; and Ray arguing that we are worse than the SS -- now what are we? Nazis or anti-gentiles? We can't be both.

On Wednesday 20 December 2023 at 12:06:21 UTC, Marc S wrote:
> Andy Evans schrieb am Mittwoch, 20. Dezember 2023 um 12:51:02 UTC+1:
> > On Wednesday 20 December 2023 at 03:25:56 UTC, Frank Berger wrote:
> > > Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
> > Just a short postscript. When I said "wrecked by sick people" what I should have said is that this newsgroup is being systematically destroyed by a gang of 3 anti-gentiles, DK, Marc S and Frank Berger, who enthusiastically support the Gaza Massacre of over 12,000 women and children. These are more than sick people, they are a gang of career criminals. I can't share a newsgroup with career criminals, it makes me feel guilty by association and sick to the bottom of my stomach.
>
> What happened to: "I am leaving this ng with immediate effect"?

I deleted these words and withdraw them. I'm just appalled by the massacre of women and children. It was an emotional response during a traditional season of kindness and goodwill. That's all.

On Wednesday 20 December 2023 at 12:30:21 UTC, Andy Evans wrote:
> On Wednesday 20 December 2023 at 12:06:21 UTC, Marc S wrote:
> > Andy Evans schrieb am Mittwoch, 20. Dezember 2023 um 12:51:02 UTC+1:
> > > On Wednesday 20 December 2023 at 03:25:56 UTC, Frank Berger wrote:
> > > > Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
> > > Just a short postscript. When I said "wrecked by sick people" what I should have said is that this newsgroup is being systematically destroyed by a gang of 3 anti-gentiles, DK, Marc S and Frank Berger, who enthusiastically support the Gaza Massacre of over 12,000 women and children. These are more than sick people, they are a gang of career criminals. I can't share a newsgroup with career criminals, it makes me feel guilty by association and sick to the bottom of my stomach.
> >
> > What happened to: "I am leaving this ng with immediate effect"?
> I deleted these words and withdraw them. I'm just appalled by the massacre of women and children. It was an emotional response during a traditional season of kindness and goodwill. That's all.

Just to be clear - I withdraw all the comments above completely and unreservedly and any reference to anyone mentioned. It was an emotional reaction during difficult times..

Andy Evans schrieb am Mittwoch, 20. Dezember 2023 um 13:30:21 UTC+1:
> On Wednesday 20 December 2023 at 12:06:21 UTC, Marc S wrote:
> > Andy Evans schrieb am Mittwoch, 20. Dezember 2023 um 12:51:02 UTC+1:
> > > On Wednesday 20 December 2023 at 03:25:56 UTC, Frank Berger wrote:
> > > > Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
> > > Just a short postscript. When I said "wrecked by sick people" what I should have said is that this newsgroup is being systematically destroyed by a gang of 3 anti-gentiles, DK, Marc S and Frank Berger, who enthusiastically support the Gaza Massacre of over 12,000 women and children. These are more than sick people, they are a gang of career criminals. I can't share a newsgroup with career criminals, it makes me feel guilty by association and sick to the bottom of my stomach.
> >
> > What happened to: "I am leaving this ng with immediate effect"?
> I deleted these words and withdraw them. I'm just appalled by the massacre of women and children. It was an emotional response during a traditional season of kindness and goodwill. That's all.

There is no massacre of women and children happening in Gaza. Israel is fighting a war against Hamas. But there was a massacre committed by Fakestinians (not just Hamas, but many Gaza civilians joined them) against Jews on October 7. The population in Gaza (as can be seen on videos, and as the hostages who were released have been telling the media) was - in a very large part - celebrating the massacre.

Marc S schrieb am Mittwoch, 20. Dezember 2023 um 15:52:22 UTC+1:
> Andy Evans schrieb am Mittwoch, 20. Dezember 2023 um 13:30:21 UTC+1:
> > On Wednesday 20 December 2023 at 12:06:21 UTC, Marc S wrote:
> > > Andy Evans schrieb am Mittwoch, 20. Dezember 2023 um 12:51:02 UTC+1:
> > > > On Wednesday 20 December 2023 at 03:25:56 UTC, Frank Berger wrote:
> > > > > Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
> > > > Just a short postscript. When I said "wrecked by sick people" what I should have said is that this newsgroup is being systematically destroyed by a gang of 3 anti-gentiles, DK, Marc S and Frank Berger, who enthusiastically support the Gaza Massacre of over 12,000 women and children. These are more than sick people, they are a gang of career criminals. I can't share a newsgroup with career criminals, it makes me feel guilty by association and sick to the bottom of my stomach.
> > >
> > > What happened to: "I am leaving this ng with immediate effect"?
> > I deleted these words and withdraw them. I'm just appalled by the massacre of women and children. It was an emotional response during a traditional season of kindness and goodwill. That's all.
> There is no massacre of women and children happening in Gaza. Israel is fighting a war against Hamas. But there was a massacre committed by Fakestinians (not just Hamas, but many Gaza civilians joined them) against Jews on October 7. The population in Gaza (as can be seen on videos, and as the hostages who were released have been telling the media) was - in a very large part - celebrating the massacre.

*It should be added that the massacre committed by the Muslims of "Palestine" in Israel also involved non-Jewish victims, and victims from other nations.

You are completely sick in your head, Andy. Get help.

On 12/20/2023 6:50 AM, Andy Evans wrote:
> On Wednesday 20 December 2023 at 03:25:56 UTC, Frank Berger wrote:
>> Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
>
> Just a short postscript. When I said "wrecked by sick people" what I should have said is that this newsgroup is being systematically destroyed by a gang of 3 anti-gentiles, DK, Marc S and Frank Berger, who enthusiastically support the Gaza Massacre of over 12,000 women and children. These are more than sick people, they are a gang of career criminals. I can't share a newsgroup with career criminals, it makes me feel guilty by association and sick to the bottom of my stomach.

There are arguments for supporting the Gaza war. First, that they (Hamas) started it and Israel simply can not let its citizens in the South (just wait to see what happens in the North) live in fear of terror. Thousands of Israelis have evacuated their homes (those that weren't burned by Hamas) because of incessant rocket attacks. No state could allow this to persist.

Because Hamas is embedded in the civilian population of Gaza (a war crime), the only way for Israel to combat them is what they have done(allowed according to the rules of war). Assertions that Israel has engaged in indiscriminate bombing are ludicrous. Many Israel soldiers have been killed BECAUSE they are trying to be as discriminate as possible.

To quote Hamas statistics on casualties is also ludicrous. Hamas never distinguishes between terrorists and non-terrorists in their statistics. Israel estimates that perhaps as many as 1/2 the casualties are Hamas.

Now, it certainly is reasonable to be appalled and horrified by whatever the number of civilian casualties is. The first problem is that you have to be analytical in situations like this. You can't emotion alone rule your views. You've got to present an alternative Israeli response to the events of Oct. 7. I don't believe you have ever done so. Should Israel have just killed a proportionate 1200 random Gazans and kidnapped and tortured another 250 or so. Would that have satisfied you?

Of course there would have been no point to that, since it would not deter Hamas at all. Should all Jewish Israelis (I assume you have nothing against Arab Israelis) have marched into the sea or maybe gone back to Poland, Russia, Ukraine, Latvia, Belarus, Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia and all the other places they "came from?"

Maybe you are more reasonable than all that and simply think Israel should evacuate the West Bank. Then the Palestinians would live in peace with Israel forever more. Except the problem with that is that Hamas would immediately take over the West Bank as they did Gaza. Since Hamas' stated objective is not to wrest the West Bank from Israel, but to destroy Israel, it's hard to see how that could work.

I know you've set you're quitting, but maybe you'd like to provide a rational response to this.

On 12/20/2023 7:46 AM, Andy Evans wrote:
> On Wednesday 20 December 2023 at 12:30:21 UTC, Andy Evans wrote:
>> On Wednesday 20 December 2023 at 12:06:21 UTC, Marc S wrote:
>>> Andy Evans schrieb am Mittwoch, 20. Dezember 2023 um 12:51:02 UTC+1:
>>>> On Wednesday 20 December 2023 at 03:25:56 UTC, Frank Berger wrote:
>>>>> Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
>>>> Just a short postscript. When I said "wrecked by sick people" what I should have said is that this newsgroup is being systematically destroyed by a gang of 3 anti-gentiles, DK, Marc S and Frank Berger, who enthusiastically support the Gaza Massacre of over 12,000 women and children. These are more than sick people, they are a gang of career criminals. I can't share a newsgroup with career criminals, it makes me feel guilty by association and sick to the bottom of my stomach.
>>>
>>> What happened to: "I am leaving this ng with immediate effect"?
>> I deleted these words and withdraw them. I'm just appalled by the massacre of women and children. It was an emotional response during a traditional season of kindness and goodwill. That's all.
>
> Just to be clear - I withdraw all the comments above completely and unreservedly and any reference to anyone mentioned. It was an emotional reaction during difficult times..

You mean I don't have to consider myself a "career criminal?" Or "sick?" Or "anti-gentile?" Or even that I "support a massacre?"

Good to know.

On Wednesday 20 December 2023 at 17:35:44 UTC, Frank Berger wrote:

> > Just to be clear - I withdraw all the comments above completely and unreservedly and any reference to anyone mentioned. It was an emotional reaction during difficult times..
> You mean I don't have to consider myself a "career criminal?" Or "sick?" Or "anti-gentile?" Or even that I "support a massacre?"
> > Good to know.

I was obviously speaking metaphorically and not literally. But yes, I withdraw everything. I want nothing whatever to do with this newsgroup again.

On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 4:30:21 AM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:
> On Wednesday 20 December 2023 at 12:06:21 UTC, Marc S wrote:
> > Andy Evans schrieb am Mittwoch, 20. Dezember 2023 um 12:51:02 UTC+1:
> > > On Wednesday 20 December 2023 at 03:25:56 UTC, Frank Berger wrote:
> > > > Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
> > > Just a short postscript. When I said "wrecked by sick people" what I
> > > should have said is that this newsgroup is being systematically
> > > destroyed by a gang of 3 anti-gentiles, DK, Marc S and Frank Berger,
> > > who enthusiastically support the Gaza Massacre of over 12,000 women
> > > and children. These are more than sick people, they are a gang of career
> > > criminals. I can't share a newsgroup with career criminals, it makes me
> > > feel guilty by association and sick to the bottom of my stomach.
> >
> > What happened to: "I am leaving this ng with immediate effect"?
>
> I deleted these words and withdraw them. I'm just appalled by the
> massacre of women and children. It was an emotional response
> during a traditional season of kindness and goodwill. That's all.

We don't recall hearing you say anything about the massacre of
innocent Israeli civilians on October 7th, or about the massacre
of half a million people in Syria over the past decade, or any
other massacres that occurred during the time you posted
here.

We also did not notice yo posting any holiday greetings
for Hanukkah during this traditional season of kindness
and goodwill.

Stop pretending, and good luck on your next degree.