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 by: WolfBear - Mon, 31 May 2021 19:10 UTC

What is the best place for a new Russian capital that isn't either Moscow or St. Petersburg? I was thinking of either Samara or Nizhny Novgorod, but what do the rest of you think in regards to this?

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 by: pyotr filipivich - Tue, 1 Jun 2021 01:43 UTC

Kiev has historical connections
--
pyotr filipivich
"History rarely repeats herself" is the cliche. In reality she just
lets fly with a frying pan yelling "Why weren't you listening the first time!?"

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 by: SolomonW - Tue, 1 Jun 2021 04:12 UTC

On Mon, 31 May 2021 18:43:43 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote:

> Kiev has historical connections

If adopted it would not be new.

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 by: x - Tue, 1 Jun 2021 20:35 UTC

On 5/31/21 9:12 PM, SolomonW wrote:
> On Mon, 31 May 2021 18:43:43 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>
>> Kiev has historical connections
>
> If adopted it would not be new.

If it is not going off into the tangent 'what was once' ( Sarai )
but a potential new one I would say Yekaterinburg.

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 by: SolomonW - Wed, 2 Jun 2021 08:39 UTC

On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 04:18:12 -0700 (PDT), dama...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Tuesday, June 1, 2021 at 12:12:32 AM UTC-4, SolomonW wrote:
>> On Mon, 31 May 2021 18:43:43 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>
>>> Kiev has historical connections
>>
>>
>> If adopted it would not be new.
>
> Kiev is in Ukraine, not Russia. I think the Ukrainians might not be keen on your ideas.

I would agree.

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 by: SolomonW - Wed, 2 Jun 2021 08:45 UTC

On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 13:35:13 -0700, x wrote:

> On 5/31/21 9:12 PM, SolomonW wrote:
> > On Mon, 31 May 2021 18:43:43 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> >
> >> Kiev has historical connections
> >
> > If adopted it would not be new.
>
> If it is not going off into the tangent 'what was once' ( Sarai )
> but a potential new one I would say Yekaterinburg.

Yes about Kuybyshev, it was always considered to being an alternative
capital.

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 by: pyotr filipivich - Wed, 2 Jun 2021 20:11 UTC

"dama...@gmail.com" <damarkley@gmail.com> on Tue, 1 Jun 2021 04:18:12
-0700 (PDT) typed in alt.history.what-if the following:
>On Tuesday, June 1, 2021 at 12:12:32 AM UTC-4, SolomonW wrote:
>> On Mon, 31 May 2021 18:43:43 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>
>> > Kiev has historical connections
>>
>>
>> If adopted it would not be new.
>
>Kiev is in Ukraine, not Russia. I think the Ukrainians might not be keen on your ideas.

Until 1240 Kiev was the center of "Rus" culture, the capital city
of the Rus. On Christmas day, AD 1240 the Mongols sacked Kiev. Prior
to that it was The Center of Rus culture. After that, not so much.
Moscow became important largely because it was a backwater, and
had not been worth the effort.

Much of the cultural center and influence had moved to Novgorod
with the Mongol conquest, until it lost the war with an emerging
Moscow.

SO, there is another option for a Russian Capital City.
--
pyotr filipivich
"History rarely repeats herself" is the cliche. In reality she just
lets fly with a frying pan yelling "Why weren't you listening the first time!?"

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 by: WolfBear - Fri, 11 Jun 2021 01:35 UTC

On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 1:11:48 PM UTC-7, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> "dama...@gmail.com" <dama...@gmail.com> on Tue, 1 Jun 2021 04:18:12
> -0700 (PDT) typed in alt.history.what-if the following:
> >On Tuesday, June 1, 2021 at 12:12:32 AM UTC-4, SolomonW wrote:
> >> On Mon, 31 May 2021 18:43:43 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> >>
> >> > Kiev has historical connections
> >>
> >>
> >> If adopted it would not be new.
> >
> >Kiev is in Ukraine, not Russia. I think the Ukrainians might not be keen on your ideas.
> Until 1240 Kiev was the center of "Rus" culture, the capital city
> of the Rus. On Christmas day, AD 1240 the Mongols sacked Kiev. Prior
> to that it was The Center of Rus culture. After that, not so much.
> Moscow became important largely because it was a backwater, and
> had not been worth the effort.
>
> Much of the cultural center and influence had moved to Novgorod
> with the Mongol conquest, until it lost the war with an emerging
> Moscow.
>
> SO, there is another option for a Russian Capital City.
> --
> pyotr filipivich
> "History rarely repeats herself" is the cliche. In reality she just
> lets fly with a frying pan yelling "Why weren't you listening the first time!?"

Novgorod. Interesting.

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