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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2024 09:01:43 +0000
Subject: 595
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 by: DeepBlue - Sat, 30 Mar 2024 09:01 UTC

You know the question ....

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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2024 09:18:08 +0000
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 by: JudeoN4zi - Sat, 30 Mar 2024 09:18 UTC

good question, let me think about it..

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 by: JudeoN4zi - Sat, 30 Mar 2024 09:36 UTC

JudeoN4zi wrote:

> good question, let me think about it..

difficult, problems with every version...

Gilels' pianism and another orchestra and/or conductor would've been good I guess...

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 by: JudeoN4zi - Sat, 30 Mar 2024 09:39 UTC

JudeoN4zi wrote:

> JudeoN4zi wrote:

>> good question, let me think about it..

> difficult, problems with every version...

> Gilels' pianism and another orchestra and/or conductor would've been good I guess...

Let me think about it a bit more;

Out of question: Brendel 1,2; Kempff; Richter 1,2; Anda; Annie Fischer; Schnabel; Eschenbach; Curzon; Hamelin;...

Gonna listen to Schiff and Perahia now

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 by: JudeoN4zi - Sat, 30 Mar 2024 09:40 UTC

JudeoN4zi wrote:

> JudeoN4zi wrote:

>> JudeoN4zi wrote:

>>> good question, let me think about it..

>> difficult, problems with every version...

>> Gilels' pianism and another orchestra and/or conductor would've been good I guess...

> Let me think about it a bit more;

> Out of question: Brendel 1,2; Kempff; Richter 1,2; Anda; Annie Fischer; Schnabel; Eschenbach; Curzon; Hamelin;...

*No Kocsis as well

> Gonna listen to Schiff and Perahia now

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 by: JudeoN4zi - Sat, 30 Mar 2024 09:41 UTC

JudeoN4zi wrote:

> JudeoN4zi wrote:

>> JudeoN4zi wrote:

>>> good question, let me think about it..

>> difficult, problems with every version...

>> Gilels' pianism and another orchestra and/or conductor would've been good I guess...

> Let me think about it a bit more;

> Out of question: Brendel 1,2; Kempff; Richter 1,2; Anda; Annie Fischer; Schnabel; Eschenbach; Curzon; Hamelin;...

> Gonna listen to Schiff and Perahia now

And Ashkenazy (Barenboim sucked from what I heard)

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 by: JudeoN4zi - Sat, 30 Mar 2024 09:47 UTC

Shit... every recording of this concerto simply sucks... how can this be?

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 by: JudeoN4zi - Sat, 30 Mar 2024 13:56 UTC

JudeoN4zi wrote:

> Shit... every recording of this concerto simply sucks... how can this be?

Gilels is the best, but the accompaniment just sucks.

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Subject: Re: 595
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 by: DeepBlue - Sat, 30 Mar 2024 22:24 UTC

JudeoN4zi wrote:
>
> JudeoN4zi wrote:
>
>> Shit... every recording of
>> this concerto simply sucks...
>> how can this be?
>
> Gilels is the best, but the
> accompaniment just sucks.

Have you heard Aris, Eliahu or Menahem?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVOfpxE_bIQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB2Ueot8-Dw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oPQ_ARlziY

Enjoy!

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 by: DeepBlue - Sat, 30 Mar 2024 22:33 UTC

JudeoN4zi wrote:
>
> JudeoN4zi wrote:
>
>> good question, let me think about it..

> difficult, problems with every version...
>
> Gilels' pianism and another orchestra
> and/or conductor would've been good I
> guess...

How about Thekla?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTAlwdvTTGo

or these?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RJrMFBalMs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAOvKBsxVLQ

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 by: JudeoN4zi - Sun, 31 Mar 2024 08:25 UTC

DeepBlue wrote:

> JudeoN4zi wrote:
>>
>> JudeoN4zi wrote:
>>
>>> Shit... every recording of
>>> this concerto simply sucks...
>>> how can this be?
>>
>> Gilels is the best, but the
>> accompaniment just sucks.

> Have you heard Aris, Eliahu or Menahem?

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVOfpxE_bIQ

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB2Ueot8-Dw

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oPQ_ARlziY

I've actually relistened to Pressler yesterday - and interestingly, I found him much better than the last time you shared this video of him playing 595 (if you remember, I talked very bad about this performance; half-jokingly claiming if someone gave me a enough money and time, I could play it better -- I guess I was wrong... though maybe not, who knows, doesn't matter anyway)

> Enjoy!

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 by: JudeoN4zi - Sun, 31 Mar 2024 08:33 UTC

DeepBlue wrote:

> JudeoN4zi wrote:
>>
>> JudeoN4zi wrote:
>>
>>> Shit... every recording of
>>> this concerto simply sucks...
>>> how can this be?
>>
>> Gilels is the best, but the
>> accompaniment just sucks.

> Have you heard Aris, Eliahu or Menahem?

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVOfpxE_bIQ

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB2Ueot8-Dw

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oPQ_ARlziY

From a quick comparison: I'd probably choose Pressler here, then Varvara and then Blettenberg (I do not like his approach at all).

also no: Alicia de Larrocha, Gulda... and whatever else I heard.

> Enjoy!

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 by: JudeoN4zi - Sun, 31 Mar 2024 08:37 UTC

DeepBlue wrote:

> JudeoN4zi wrote:
>>
>> JudeoN4zi wrote:
>>
>>> good question, let me think about it..

>> difficult, problems with every version...
>>
>> Gilels' pianism and another orchestra
>> and/or conductor would've been good I
>> guess...

> How about Thekla?

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTAlwdvTTGo

> or these?

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RJrMFBalMs

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAOvKBsxVLQ

You have to be out of your mind, to choose someone else's 595 over Mozart's..

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 by: JudeoN4zi - Sun, 31 Mar 2024 10:34 UTC

JudeoN4zi wrote:

> DeepBlue wrote:

>> JudeoN4zi wrote:
>>>
>>> JudeoN4zi wrote:
>>>
>>>> Shit... every recording of
>>>> this concerto simply sucks...
>>>> how can this be?
>>>
>>> Gilels is the best, but the
>>> accompaniment just sucks.

>> Have you heard Aris, Eliahu or Menahem?

>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVOfpxE_bIQ

>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB2Ueot8-Dw

>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oPQ_ARlziY

> From a quick comparison: I'd probably choose Pressler here, then Varvara and then Blettenberg (I do not like his approach at all).

I do not really understand why, but I do not like Varvara as well... it's very capricious or sth...

Pressler is really good here I think... it's the best I heard.

I guess going through all the different Mozart Opera recordings helped my ears ;)

> also no: Alicia de Larrocha, Gulda... and whatever else I heard.

No Nojima as well...

>> Enjoy!

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 by: JudeoN4zi - Sun, 31 Mar 2024 13:25 UTC

JudeoN4zi wrote:

> Pressler is really good here I think... it's the best I heard.

But I dunno, still too much wrong with it -- touch and phrasing (Gilels is far superior imo).

So: No, it's not the best I heard. Really... the touch is very bad at times... but it's better than I remembered. Maybe my claim wasn't so wrong in the end.

So no to all three you posted... Thanks btw. Any others?

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 by: DeepBlue - Sun, 31 Mar 2024 20:10 UTC

JudeoN4zi wrote:
>
> So no to all three you posted...
> Thanks btw. Any others?

I suppose you will have to learn
it and play it yourself, while
you have nothing else to do in
Gaza.

Cheers!

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 by: JudeoN4zi - Mon, 1 Apr 2024 04:52 UTC

DeepBlue wrote:

> JudeoN4zi wrote:
>>
>> So no to all three you posted...
>> Thanks btw. Any others?

> I suppose you will have to learn
> it and play it yourself, while
> you have nothing else to do in
> Gaza.

Why not, and then play it for the fakestinians in hopes it will change their hearts and minds ;)

> Cheers!

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