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What would have realistically been required for the West to support (in the first half of the 20th century) a non-Communist Russia's annexation of all of the Anatolian territories that used to belong to the Byzantine Empire in 1200?

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Subject: Re: A 20th century Russo-Byzantium question
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 by: SolomonW - Sun, 4 Jul 2021 02:42 UTC

On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 21:49:11 -0700 (PDT), WolfBear wrote:

> What would have realistically been required for the West to support (in the first half of the 20th century) a non-Communist Russia's annexation of all of the Anatolian territories that used to belong to the Byzantine Empire in 1200?

During ww1 that is what the West agreed too.

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 by: WolfBear - Sun, 4 Jul 2021 03:47 UTC

On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 7:43:00 PM UTC-7, SolomonW wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 21:49:11 -0700 (PDT), WolfBear wrote:
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> > What would have realistically been required for the West to support (in the first half of the 20th century) a non-Communist Russia's annexation of all of the Anatolian territories that used to belong to the Byzantine Empire in 1200?
> During ww1 that is what the West agreed too.

Not completely. They never agreed to give Russia ALL OF Anatolia's northern and western coastline, after all!

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Subject: Re: A 20th century Russo-Byzantium question
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 by: SolomonW - Mon, 5 Jul 2021 06:41 UTC

On Sat, 3 Jul 2021 20:47:11 -0700 (PDT), WolfBear wrote:

> On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 7:43:00 PM UTC-7, SolomonW wrote:
>> On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 21:49:11 -0700 (PDT), WolfBear wrote:
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>>> What would have realistically been required for the West to support (in the first half of the 20th century) a non-Communist Russia's annexation of all of the Anatolian territories that used to belong to the Byzantine Empire in 1200?
>> During ww1 that is what the West agreed too.
>
> Not completely. They never agreed to give Russia ALL OF Anatolia's northern and western coastline, after all!

True

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 by: WolfBear - Sat, 24 Jul 2021 02:33 UTC

On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 11:41:09 PM UTC-7, SolomonW wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Jul 2021 20:47:11 -0700 (PDT), WolfBear wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 7:43:00 PM UTC-7, SolomonW wrote:
> >> On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 21:49:11 -0700 (PDT), WolfBear wrote:
> >>
> >>> What would have realistically been required for the West to support (in the first half of the 20th century) a non-Communist Russia's annexation of all of the Anatolian territories that used to belong to the Byzantine Empire in 1200?
> >> During ww1 that is what the West agreed too.
> >
> > Not completely. They never agreed to give Russia ALL OF Anatolia's northern and western coastline, after all!
> True

Yeah, so this would have been an even more ambitious annexation for Russia.

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 by: pyotr filipivich - Thu, 29 Jul 2021 16:21 UTC

WolfBear <m4josh@gmail.com> on Fri, 23 Jul 2021 19:33:27 -0700 (PDT)
typed in alt.history.what-if the following:
>On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 11:41:09 PM UTC-7, SolomonW wrote:
>> On Sat, 3 Jul 2021 20:47:11 -0700 (PDT), WolfBear wrote:
>>
>> > On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 7:43:00 PM UTC-7, SolomonW wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 21:49:11 -0700 (PDT), WolfBear wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> What would have realistically been required for the West to support (in the first half of the 20th century) a non-Communist Russia's annexation of all of the Anatolian territories that used to belong to the Byzantine Empire in 1200?
>> >> During ww1 that is what the West agreed too.
>> >
>> > Not completely. They never agreed to give Russia ALL OF Anatolia's northern and western coastline, after all!
>> True
>
>Yeah, so this would have been an even more ambitious annexation for Russia.

Situations change.
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pyotr filipivich
"History rarely repeats herself" is the cliche. In reality she just
lets fly with a frying pan yelling "Why weren't you listening the first time!?"

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