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* Re: What would a Russia led by the Socialist Revolutionaries have looked like?Louis Epstein
`- Re: What would a Russia led by the Socialist Revolutionaries haveWolfBear

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Re: What would a Russia led by the Socialist Revolutionaries have looked like?

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From: le...@top.put.com (Louis Epstein)
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Subject: Re: What would a Russia led by the Socialist Revolutionaries have looked like?
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 23:02:50 -0000 (UTC)
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 by: Louis Epstein - Thu, 22 Jul 2021 23:02 UTC

WolfBear <m4josh@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, April 19, 2021 at 8:51:23 PM UTC-7, WolfBear wrote:
>> On Monday, April 19, 2021 at 8:08:07 PM UTC-7, Chrysi Cat wrote:
>> > On 4/19/2021 8:39 PM, WolfBear wrote:
>> > > On Monday, April 19, 2021 at 5:03:36 PM UTC-7, Louis Epstein wrote:
>> > >> WolfBear <m4j...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>> On Saturday, April 17, 2021 at 9:39:45 PM UTC-7, Louis Epstein wrote:
>> > >>>> WolfBear <m4j...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>> On Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 10:32:26 AM UTC-7, Louis Epstein wrote:
>> > >>>>>> WolfBear <m4j...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>> On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 9:44:41 PM UTC-7, Louis Epstein wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>> WolfBear <m4j...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 11, 2021 at 7:09:31 PM UTC-7, Louis Epstein wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>> WolfBear <m4j...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 11, 2021 at 1:29:09 PM UTC-7, Louis Epstein wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> WolfBear <m4j...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 11:20:55 AM UTC-7, Louis Epstein wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> WolfBear <m4j...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What would a Russia led by the Socialist Revolutionaries have looked like? There would have obviously been land reform, but exactly what else was on the Socialist Revolutionary agenda in Russia? Also, I'm aware that there were two Socialist Revolutionary parties in Russia after late 1917--the Right SRs and the Left SRs--so, just how differently would these two parties have governed in comparison to each other were each of them to ever hypothetically gain power in Russia instead of the Bolsheviks?
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Capitalist Europe would have denounced Russians as "Bloody Mensheviks".
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> SRs != Mensheviks.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> OK,I was interpreting "Right SR and Left SR" as Menshevik and Bolshevik.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> So what about a Menshevik Revolution,anyway?
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Mensheviks weren't numerous enough to spark their own revolution, to my knowledge.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> BTW, VERY off-topic question, but are you the very same Louis Epstein who helped
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> the GRG verify supercentenarian cases a while back?
>> > >>>>>>>>>> Yes,I am the Louis Epstein whose compilation of supercentenarian
>> > >>>>>>>>>> data impressed the late Dr. Coles into putting it on the GRG website
>> > >>>>>>>>>> from which it has since been displaced by the work of Robert Young.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> My lists continue to be posted at recordholders.org.
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> Thanks. Anyway, do you have an e-mail where I can reach you at? I know
>> > >>>>>>>>> that you have corresponded with Okiku Saji (Sailor Haumea) in regards to
>> > >>>>>>>>> this, and I myself have previously likewise separately discussed
>> > >>>>>>>>> supercentenarians with her.
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> I'm Futurist over at the 110 Club, for what it's worth.
>> > >>>>>>>> I post to this newsgroup from my main email address:
>> > >>>>>>>> l...@put.com
>> > >>>>>>>> Do you want to join my supercentenarian email list?
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Yes, please!
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> I was especially hoping to ask you a question about Mathew Beard.
>> > >>>>>> He comes from the SSA study and is one of its more dubious attestations.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> I found a 1900 US Census entry for a Mathew Beard born in October 1886 who was living in Georgia in 1900 with a father of Ned/Edward Beard and a mother of Martha Beard. Would you like to see it?
>> > >>>> By all means.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M3NC-8G9
>> > >> Apparently for account-holders only.
>> > >>>>>>>> -=-=-
>> > >>>>>>>> The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
>> > >>>>>>>> at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
>> > >
>> > > Create an account, then. It's completely free. I know because I did so without ever actually paying anything.
>> > >
>> > What on EARTH makes you think that he's the type of person who's willing
>> > to BE the product?
>> >
>> > Because that's the cost of joining a site that requires data from you if
>> > you don't shell out actual money; they sell your data.
>> >
>> > I'm fine with it, but I'm also likely from a different generation that's
>> > BEEN the product everywhere we've visited in our lifetime.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Chrysi Cat
>> > 1/2 anthrocat, nearly 1/2 anthrofox, all magical
>> > Transgoddess, quick to anger. [she/her. Misgender and die].
>> > Call me Chrysi or call me Kat, I'll respond to either!
>> Here's the match, since you insist:
>>
>> Matthew Beard
>> United States Census, 1900
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Name:
>> Matthew Beard
>> Event Type:
>> Census
>> Event Date:
>> 1900
>> ?
>> Event Year:
>> 1900
>> Event Place:
>> Militia District 128, Harlem (excl. Harlem village), Columbia, Georgia, United States
>> ?
>> Event Place (Original):
>> ED 4 Militia District 128, Harlem (excl. Harlem village), Columbia, Georgia, United States
>> Sex:
>> Male
>> Age:
>> 14
>> Marital Status:
>> Single
>> Race:
>> Black
>> Race (Original):
>> B
>> Birth Date:
>> Oct 1886
>> Birthplace:
>> Georgia
>> Father's Birthplace:
>> Georgia
>> Mother's Birthplace:
>> Georgia
>> Relationship to Head of Household:
>> Son
>> Relationship to Head of Household (Original):
>> Son
>> Sheet Letter:
>> B
>> Sheet Number:
>> 11
>> Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
>> Edward Beard Head Male 55 Georgia
>> Martha Beard Wife Female 46 Georgia
>> Joseph Beard Son Male 22 Georgia
>> Martha Beard Daughter Female 16 Georgia
>> Matthew Beard Son Male 14 Georgia
>> Marie Beard Daughter Female 11 Georgia
>> Piggie Beard Daughter Female 9 Georgia
>> Emma Beard Daughter Female 7 Georgia
>
> Also, Louis, in regards to Mathew Beard's parents' names being Ned (Edward)
> Beard and Martha Bures, just how exactly was the Kestenbaum study able to
> connect these two names to Anderson Baird/Beard and Martha Bryant?

I received a data file with those names in his entry,
I didn't get their records of how they made the connection.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

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 by: WolfBear - Fri, 23 Jul 2021 19:32 UTC

On Thursday, July 22, 2021 at 4:02:51 PM UTC-7, Louis Epstein wrote:
> WolfBear <m4j...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Monday, April 19, 2021 at 8:51:23 PM UTC-7, WolfBear wrote:
> >> On Monday, April 19, 2021 at 8:08:07 PM UTC-7, Chrysi Cat wrote:
> >> > On 4/19/2021 8:39 PM, WolfBear wrote:
> >> > > On Monday, April 19, 2021 at 5:03:36 PM UTC-7, Louis Epstein wrote:
> >> > >> WolfBear <m4j...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >>> On Saturday, April 17, 2021 at 9:39:45 PM UTC-7, Louis Epstein wrote:
> >> > >>>> WolfBear <m4j...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >>>>> On Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 10:32:26 AM UTC-7, Louis Epstein wrote:
> >> > >>>>>> WolfBear <m4j...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>> On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 9:44:41 PM UTC-7, Louis Epstein wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>> WolfBear <m4j...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 11, 2021 at 7:09:31 PM UTC-7, Louis Epstein wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> WolfBear <m4j...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 11, 2021 at 1:29:09 PM UTC-7, Louis Epstein wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> WolfBear <m4j...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 11:20:55 AM UTC-7, Louis Epstein wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> WolfBear <m4j...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What would a Russia led by the Socialist Revolutionaries have looked like? There would have obviously been land reform, but exactly what else was on the Socialist Revolutionary agenda in Russia? Also, I'm aware that there were two Socialist Revolutionary parties in Russia after late 1917--the Right SRs and the Left SRs--so, just how differently would these two parties have governed in comparison to each other were each of them to ever hypothetically gain power in Russia instead of the Bolsheviks?
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Capitalist Europe would have denounced Russians as "Bloody Mensheviks".
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> SRs != Mensheviks.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> OK,I was interpreting "Right SR and Left SR" as Menshevik and Bolshevik.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> So what about a Menshevik Revolution,anyway?
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> Mensheviks weren't numerous enough to spark their own revolution, to my knowledge.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> BTW, VERY off-topic question, but are you the very same Louis Epstein who helped
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> the GRG verify supercentenarian cases a while back?
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> Yes,I am the Louis Epstein whose compilation of supercentenarian
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> data impressed the late Dr. Coles into putting it on the GRG website
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> from which it has since been displaced by the work of Robert Young.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> My lists continue to be posted at recordholders.org.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Thanks. Anyway, do you have an e-mail where I can reach you at? I know
> >> > >>>>>>>>> that you have corresponded with Okiku Saji (Sailor Haumea) in regards to
> >> > >>>>>>>>> this, and I myself have previously likewise separately discussed
> >> > >>>>>>>>> supercentenarians with her.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> I'm Futurist over at the 110 Club, for what it's worth.
> >> > >>>>>>>> I post to this newsgroup from my main email address:
> >> > >>>>>>>> l...@put.com
> >> > >>>>>>>> Do you want to join my supercentenarian email list?
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> Yes, please!
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> I was especially hoping to ask you a question about Mathew Beard.
> >> > >>>>>> He comes from the SSA study and is one of its more dubious attestations.
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> I found a 1900 US Census entry for a Mathew Beard born in October 1886 who was living in Georgia in 1900 with a father of Ned/Edward Beard and a mother of Martha Beard. Would you like to see it?
> >> > >>>> By all means.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M3NC-8G9
> >> > >> Apparently for account-holders only.
> >> > >>>>>>>> -=-=-
> >> > >>>>>>>> The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
> >> > >>>>>>>> at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
> >> > >
> >> > > Create an account, then. It's completely free. I know because I did so without ever actually paying anything.
> >> > >
> >> > What on EARTH makes you think that he's the type of person who's willing
> >> > to BE the product?
> >> >
> >> > Because that's the cost of joining a site that requires data from you if
> >> > you don't shell out actual money; they sell your data.
> >> >
> >> > I'm fine with it, but I'm also likely from a different generation that's
> >> > BEEN the product everywhere we've visited in our lifetime.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Chrysi Cat
> >> > 1/2 anthrocat, nearly 1/2 anthrofox, all magical
> >> > Transgoddess, quick to anger. [she/her. Misgender and die].
> >> > Call me Chrysi or call me Kat, I'll respond to either!
> >> Here's the match, since you insist:
> >>
> >> Matthew Beard
> >> United States Census, 1900
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Name:
> >> Matthew Beard
> >> Event Type:
> >> Census
> >> Event Date:
> >> 1900
> >> ?
> >> Event Year:
> >> 1900
> >> Event Place:
> >> Militia District 128, Harlem (excl. Harlem village), Columbia, Georgia, United States
> >> ?
> >> Event Place (Original):
> >> ED 4 Militia District 128, Harlem (excl. Harlem village), Columbia, Georgia, United States
> >> Sex:
> >> Male
> >> Age:
> >> 14
> >> Marital Status:
> >> Single
> >> Race:
> >> Black
> >> Race (Original):
> >> B
> >> Birth Date:
> >> Oct 1886
> >> Birthplace:
> >> Georgia
> >> Father's Birthplace:
> >> Georgia
> >> Mother's Birthplace:
> >> Georgia
> >> Relationship to Head of Household:
> >> Son
> >> Relationship to Head of Household (Original):
> >> Son
> >> Sheet Letter:
> >> B
> >> Sheet Number:
> >> 11
> >> Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
> >> Edward Beard Head Male 55 Georgia
> >> Martha Beard Wife Female 46 Georgia
> >> Joseph Beard Son Male 22 Georgia
> >> Martha Beard Daughter Female 16 Georgia
> >> Matthew Beard Son Male 14 Georgia
> >> Marie Beard Daughter Female 11 Georgia
> >> Piggie Beard Daughter Female 9 Georgia
> >> Emma Beard Daughter Female 7 Georgia
> >
> > Also, Louis, in regards to Mathew Beard's parents' names being Ned (Edward)
> > Beard and Martha Bures, just how exactly was the Kestenbaum study able to
> > connect these two names to Anderson Baird/Beard and Martha Bryant?
> I received a data file with those names in his entry,
> I didn't get their records of how they made the connection.
> -=-=-
> The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
> at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.


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