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* Zob's Thoughts on Legacy Core-Class Shockwave and G2 MegatronZobovor
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 by: Zobovor - Wed, 24 Aug 2022 00:28 UTC

I haven't seen these guys at retail anywhere yet. It's a rare thing when Hasbro Pulse actually has something in stock, and ships it, before I ever see it in a physcial store. But, even a broken website is right twice a day. Or something like that.

I really did think the whole reason they had introduced the Core class was because they were planning on selling the Ark as a playset, and that the tiny toys were all meant to interact with the playset. With this not being the case, I'm at a bit of a loss to explain why these exist. I guess they scale reasonably well with the various city-bases, though I don't ever intend to display any of my Titan-class toys in base mode. Obviously, every toy line needs an opening price point, but I think the character selection would have been better served by doing canonically small characters, not just tiny versions of traditionally large characters. Oh, well.

SHOCKWAVE

I think I had been misinterpreting pictures of Shockwave that I'd been seeing online. I had assumed, perhaps naturally, that the red-colored satellite dish he comes with was made of translucent plastic, but it's not. Also, I had been interpreting his arm as having a claw-like attachment to which the edge of the dish seemingly fit into. That's not how he works at all. The dish is on a mount, and the mount is carried in his actually-very-normal-looking hand.

As a robot, he's 3.5" tall at the head, with his ears putting him slightly above that mark. He's a very deep purple, like the Siege toy (and the G1 toy), not the lighter lavender color used in Sunbow animation. He's almost entirely this color, with only a tiny bit of color contrast—his upper legs, chest window, and ears and toes are painted silver, and that's about it. His body is also covered in surface detail. It's almost too much.

There's no text description anywhere on his packaging or instructions regarding what, specifically, he transforms into. But, his package artwork seems to depict him as some kind of flying spaceship thingy. The backpack unfolds, the robot head tucks away, the robot arms stick straight back and you just sort of pretend they're not there, and the legs connect together to form the front of the craft. The satellite dish can mount to the top of the vehicle.

For some strange reason, there's a five-millimeter peg that folds down, and it seems to have no immediate purpose. A spaceship doesn't need a peg hanging off the bottom of its fuselage. Surely they don't mean for other toys to carry it, do they? That would be silly. Imagine, somebody walking around with a tiny Shockwave spaceship in his hands, as if it were a gun or something. How preposterous.

(Since it's clearly not a gun, there was no reason to paint the gun barrel orange, because it's not a gun barrel. Makes perfect sense to me.)

Not that this has anything to do with anything, but I'd sure love to get a Megatron toys that turns into a submarine some day. I mean, a submarine Megatron would be great. Just a really cool submarine, with maybe a large, thick fin on the top of something. Not that anybody would carry it upside-down by the fin or anything. I just think it would look cool.

G2 UNIVERSE MEGATRON

If you're going to build a collection of Core-class toys to interact with your great big toys, then it makes sense to build a cast of media characters.. Everybody who was on board the Ark when it crashed, for example, or everybody who was introduced in The Transformers: the Movie, or everybody who was introduced in "The Rebirth." (We're probably not going to get a lot of "Rebirth" characters as Core-class toys, mind you.)

Doing G2 characters makes a little less sense. I think of G2 Megatron and I feel the need to have an incredibly tiny Cobra Commander figure next to him, or a Core-class Fortress Maximus to fight against, or a Core-class Bludgeon so he can rip his tiny little skull head off. A G2 character in a collection of one is hardly a collection at all.

But, I'm sure this was more a case of them having already done a tiny Megatron tank, and asking themselves, "How can we resell this toy to consumers?" more than anything else. I'm a sucker for G2 homages, even tiny ones, so I had to get this guy.

The coloring is reasonably close to the G2 toy released in 1993, a bright lime green with a deep purple fusion cannon (or is it a rail gun? Find out in Marvel Comics!) and pelvis, and some perfunctory camouflage deco on the chest and legs in the same color. He's got some tiny orangey paint hits on the knees (echoes of the consumer-applied stickers) and his head is silver with a light purple face, which is very much in synch with his G2 look. The actual G2 release had a dark green pelvis and more silvery colors for the lower torso and upper legs, but the homage still rings true even if the color mapping isn't precise.

Sometimes these homages don't work out so well, and they require a bit of imagination to see the connection (I'm looking at you, Velocitron Road Rocket), and other times it's a slam dunk home run (or whatever other such mixed sports metaphor Eject might use). In this case, the tank mode works extremely well. There's lots more purple camouflage, which really helps sell the tribute, and he's even got an orange trapezoid on the left side with the G2 Decepticon insignia. If I had any complaints, it's that the handheld rifle is green, and doesn't look quite right when it's being used to complete the tank turret barrel. It really needs to be purple. (There's also no way to shift the arm-mounted cannon to the shoulder in robot mode. But, what can you do.)

There's also a great G2 Megatron action figure coming from Super7 at some point (current estimates are March 2023), and it pleases me that G2 Megatron is getting so much attention lately. Hopefully it will eventually open the door to many more G2 tributes in the future!

Zob (my son says this toy should say ME-GA-TRON AT-TACK in a really tiny voice, and I could not be more proud of him)

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 by: Irrellius Spamticon - Wed, 24 Aug 2022 02:36 UTC

On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 7:28:48 PM UTC-5, Zobovor wrote:
> I haven't seen these guys at retail anywhere yet. It's a rare thing when Hasbro Pulse actually has something in stock, and ships it, before I ever see it in a physcial store. But, even a broken website is right twice a day. Or something like that.
>
> I really did think the whole reason they had introduced the Core class was because they were planning on selling the Ark as a playset, and that the tiny toys were all meant to interact with the playset. With this not being the case, I'm at a bit of a loss to explain why these exist. I guess they scale reasonably well with the various city-bases, though I don't ever intend to display any of my Titan-class toys in base mode. Obviously, every toy line needs an opening price point, but I think the character selection would have been better served by doing canonically small characters, not just tiny versions of traditionally large characters. Oh, well.
>
> SHOCKWAVE
>
> I think I had been misinterpreting pictures of Shockwave that I'd been seeing online. I had assumed, perhaps naturally, that the red-colored satellite dish he comes with was made of translucent plastic, but it's not. Also, I had been interpreting his arm as having a claw-like attachment to which the edge of the dish seemingly fit into. That's not how he works at all. The dish is on a mount, and the mount is carried in his actually-very-normal-looking hand.
>
> As a robot, he's 3.5" tall at the head, with his ears putting him slightly above that mark. He's a very deep purple, like the Siege toy (and the G1 toy), not the lighter lavender color used in Sunbow animation. He's almost entirely this color, with only a tiny bit of color contrast—his upper legs, chest window, and ears and toes are painted silver, and that's about it. His body is also covered in surface detail. It's almost too much.
>
> There's no text description anywhere on his packaging or instructions regarding what, specifically, he transforms into. But, his package artwork seems to depict him as some kind of flying spaceship thingy. The backpack unfolds, the robot head tucks away, the robot arms stick straight back and you just sort of pretend they're not there, and the legs connect together to form the front of the craft. The satellite dish can mount to the top of the vehicle.
>
> For some strange reason, there's a five-millimeter peg that folds down, and it seems to have no immediate purpose. A spaceship doesn't need a peg hanging off the bottom of its fuselage. Surely they don't mean for other toys to carry it, do they? That would be silly. Imagine, somebody walking around with a tiny Shockwave spaceship in his hands, as if it were a gun or something. How preposterous.
>
> (Since it's clearly not a gun, there was no reason to paint the gun barrel orange, because it's not a gun barrel. Makes perfect sense to me.)
>
> Not that this has anything to do with anything, but I'd sure love to get a Megatron toys that turns into a submarine some day. I mean, a submarine Megatron would be great. Just a really cool submarine, with maybe a large, thick fin on the top of something. Not that anybody would carry it upside-down by the fin or anything. I just think it would look cool.
>
> G2 UNIVERSE MEGATRON
>
> If you're going to build a collection of Core-class toys to interact with your great big toys, then it makes sense to build a cast of media characters. Everybody who was on board the Ark when it crashed, for example, or everybody who was introduced in The Transformers: the Movie, or everybody who was introduced in "The Rebirth." (We're probably not going to get a lot of "Rebirth" characters as Core-class toys, mind you.)
>
> Doing G2 characters makes a little less sense. I think of G2 Megatron and I feel the need to have an incredibly tiny Cobra Commander figure next to him, or a Core-class Fortress Maximus to fight against, or a Core-class Bludgeon so he can rip his tiny little skull head off. A G2 character in a collection of one is hardly a collection at all.
>
> But, I'm sure this was more a case of them having already done a tiny Megatron tank, and asking themselves, "How can we resell this toy to consumers?" more than anything else. I'm a sucker for G2 homages, even tiny ones, so I had to get this guy.
>
> The coloring is reasonably close to the G2 toy released in 1993, a bright lime green with a deep purple fusion cannon (or is it a rail gun? Find out in Marvel Comics!) and pelvis, and some perfunctory camouflage deco on the chest and legs in the same color. He's got some tiny orangey paint hits on the knees (echoes of the consumer-applied stickers) and his head is silver with a light purple face, which is very much in synch with his G2 look. The actual G2 release had a dark green pelvis and more silvery colors for the lower torso and upper legs, but the homage still rings true even if the color mapping isn't precise.
>
> Sometimes these homages don't work out so well, and they require a bit of imagination to see the connection (I'm looking at you, Velocitron Road Rocket), and other times it's a slam dunk home run (or whatever other such mixed sports metaphor Eject might use). In this case, the tank mode works extremely well. There's lots more purple camouflage, which really helps sell the tribute, and he's even got an orange trapezoid on the left side with the G2 Decepticon insignia. If I had any complaints, it's that the handheld rifle is green, and doesn't look quite right when it's being used to complete the tank turret barrel. It really needs to be purple. (There's also no way to shift the arm-mounted cannon to the shoulder in robot mode. But, what can you do.)
>
> There's also a great G2 Megatron action figure coming from Super7 at some point (current estimates are March 2023), and it pleases me that G2 Megatron is getting so much attention lately. Hopefully it will eventually open the door to many more G2 tributes in the future!
>
>
> Zob (my son says this toy should say ME-GA-TRON AT-TACK in a really tiny voice, and I could not be more proud of him)

Has this still not shown up in stores? I originally got them at the beginning of June, distribution is still terrible apparently. We just got a ton of solid cases of only Coronation Starscreams, now, 3 months after they hit every other store and stayed there.

I don't know why I got them, probably because they were inexpensive. Core Bomb Burst looks amazing.

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 by: Codigo Postal - Wed, 24 Aug 2022 05:02 UTC

On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 8:28:48 PM UTC-4, Zobovor wrote:
>
> I really did think the whole reason they had introduced the Core class was because they were planning on selling the Ark as a playset, and that the tiny toys were all meant to interact with the playset. With this not being the case, I'm at a bit of a loss to explain why these exist. I guess they scale reasonably well with the various city-bases, though I don't ever intend to display any of my Titan-class toys in base mode. Obviously, every toy line needs an opening price point, but I think the character selection would have been better served by doing canonically small characters, not just tiny versions of traditionally large characters. Oh, well.

Alternatively, I think this is a clever way for Hasbro to lure fans into rebuying all the characters we already own, just in a different scale. The explosion in the popularity of the so-called Legends class figures can't have escaped them; fans are paying Leader-class prices for Core-sized versions of their favorites, sometimes in lieu of a CHUG or MP collection, sometimes alongside it. It makes sense for Hasbro to capture some of that market, especially as so many fans are saying that with WfC and Studio Series, they have their "final" versions of many characters.

Also, it's a great introductory pricepoint for newcomers to the brand, especially as inflation/corporate greed take its toll on MSRPs everywhere. TR Blurr was $15, SS86 Blurr was $20, and Velocitron Blurr is $25. It's hard to get casual buyers to go all-in on the line as prices creep ever upwards. Stabilizing a $10 or so pricepoint for all your favorites is a great move, and throwing in rarities like Exosuit Spike keeps the long-time fans interested too.

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 by: Gustavo Wombat - Wed, 24 Aug 2022 07:59 UTC

Zobovor <zmfts@aol.com> wrote:

> I really did think the whole reason they had introduced the Core class
> was because they were planning on selling the Ark as a playset, and that
> the tiny toys were all meant to interact with the playset. With this not
> being the case, I'm at a bit of a loss to explain why these exist. I
> guess they scale reasonably well with the various city-bases, though I
> don't ever intend to display any of my Titan-class toys in base mode.
> Obviously, every toy line needs an opening price point, but I think the
> character selection would have been better served by doing canonically
> small characters, not just tiny versions of traditionally large characters. Oh, well.

I like the idea of the core class, if not the execution in a lot of cases.

We’ve had small versions of Optimus and Megatron in nearly every toyline
going back to Cybertron. And then a selection of other main characters.
It’s clearly an idea that works for Hasbro, even if it doesn’t fit your
play patterns.

I think the current batch are too large to have budget to get all the
details right — make them a little smaller, and put more budget into paint
apps and I would be delighted. And there’s no way we are going to get a
Bumblebee in scale with Core Optimus.

The 2010/RTS/Classics legends/legion/commander figures were great. I with
they kept that scale and just kept making different characters, with the
repacks of core figures as needed.

> SHOCKWAVE
>
> I think I had been misinterpreting pictures of Shockwave that I'd been
> seeing online. I had assumed, perhaps naturally, that the red-colored
> satellite dish he comes with was made of translucent plastic, but it's
> not. Also, I had been interpreting his arm as having a claw-like
> attachment to which the edge of the dish seemingly fit into. That's not
> how he works at all. The dish is on a mount, and the mount is carried in
> his actually-very-normal-looking hand.
>
> As a robot, he's 3.5" tall at the head, with his ears putting him
> slightly above that mark. He's a very deep purple, like the Siege toy
> (and the G1 toy), not the lighter lavender color used in Sunbow
> animation. He's almost entirely this color, with only a tiny bit of
> color contrast—his upper legs, chest window, and ears and toes are
> painted silver, and that's about it. His body is also covered in surface
> detail. It's almost too much.

I’ve been tempted by this one, but ultimately it seems to be the colors and
deco that have me hesitating.

And the Combiner Wars toy seems better? If he was really tiny and scaled
for a Voyager to hold comfortably, I would go for it.

> There's no text description anywhere on his packaging or instructions
> regarding what, specifically, he transforms into. But, his package
> artwork seems to depict him as some kind of flying spaceship thingy. The
> backpack unfolds, the robot head tucks away, the robot arms stick
> straight back and you just sort of pretend they're not there, and the
> legs connect together to form the front of the craft. The satellite dish
> can mount to the top of the vehicle.
>
> For some strange reason, there's a five-millimeter peg that folds down,
> and it seems to have no immediate purpose. A spaceship doesn't need a
> peg hanging off the bottom of its fuselage. Surely they don't mean for
> other toys to carry it, do they? That would be silly. Imagine, somebody
> walking around with a tiny Shockwave spaceship in his hands, as if it
> were a gun or something. How preposterous.

Cradling him in their arms like a baby, I expect.

> (Since it's clearly not a gun, there was no reason to paint the gun
> barrel orange, because it's not a gun barrel. Makes perfect sense to me.)

Some orange would liven him up.

> Not that this has anything to do with anything, but I'd sure love to get
> a Megatron toys that turns into a submarine some day. I mean, a
> submarine Megatron would be great. Just a really cool submarine, with
> maybe a large, thick fin on the top of something. Not that anybody would
> carry it upside-down by the fin or anything. I just think it would look cool.

Having been poking about with Cybertron Megatron, the giant race car, I can
say that Submarine wouldn’t be any weirder.

> G2 UNIVERSE MEGATRON
>
> If you're going to build a collection of Core-class toys to interact with
> your great big toys, then it makes sense to build a cast of media
> characters. Everybody who was on board the Ark when it crashed, for
> example, or everybody who was introduced in The Transformers: the Movie,
> or everybody who was introduced in "The Rebirth." (We're probably not
> going to get a lot of "Rebirth" characters as Core-class toys, mind you.)
>
> Doing G2 characters makes a little less sense. I think of G2 Megatron
> and I feel the need to have an incredibly tiny Cobra Commander figure
> next to him, or a Core-class Fortress Maximus to fight against, or a
> Core-class Bludgeon so he can rip his tiny little skull head off. A G2
> character in a collection of one is hardly a collection at all.

I think kids might not be as determined to separate their toys by universe.
Plus, Legacy is about mixing universes.

I assume they are all being abducted from different universes and being
made to fight and bleed Energon/hate for Unicron.

> But, I'm sure this was more a case of them having already done a tiny
> Megatron tank, and asking themselves, "How can we resell this toy to
> consumers?" more than anything else. I'm a sucker for G2 homages, even
> tiny ones, so I had to get this guy.
>
> The coloring is reasonably close to the G2 toy released in 1993, a bright
> lime green with a deep purple fusion cannon (or is it a rail gun? Find
> out in Marvel Comics!) and pelvis, and some perfunctory camouflage deco
> on the chest and legs in the same color. He's got some tiny orangey
> paint hits on the knees (echoes of the consumer-applied stickers) and his
> head is silver with a light purple face, which is very much in synch with
> his G2 look. The actual G2 release had a dark green pelvis and more
> silvery colors for the lower torso and upper legs, but the homage still
> rings true even if the color mapping isn't precise.
>
> Sometimes these homages don't work out so well, and they require a bit of
> imagination to see the connection (I'm looking at you, Velocitron Road
> Rocket), and other times it's a slam dunk home run (or whatever other
> such mixed sports metaphor Eject might use). In this case, the tank mode
> works extremely well. There's lots more purple camouflage, which really
> helps sell the tribute, and he's even got an orange trapezoid on the left
> side with the G2 Decepticon insignia. If I had any complaints, it's that
> the handheld rifle is green, and doesn't look quite right when it's being
> used to complete the tank turret barrel. It really needs to be purple.
> (There's also no way to shift the arm-mounted cannon to the shoulder in
> robot mode. But, what can you do.)

The green gun barrel looks very wrong, and the cannon should be on his
shoulder.

http://tfu.info/2008/Decepticon/LegendsMegatron/megatron.htm

I’ll take the wrong green over the wrong cannon and the green barrel.
Apparently that also came in purple in Japan? Do I dare find out how much
that costs now?

> Zob (my son says this toy should say ME-GA-TRON AT-TACK in a really tiny
> voice, and I could not be more proud of him)

“Decepticons, Retreat!” was his catch phrase though.

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