Here's another movie review I decided was worth posting here, the "original" Troll. I'm considering it as possibly the first urban fantasy film, though there are earlier films that come close. A point for discussion, when did the (sub)genre really start? I'd say it was already in evidence in John Campbell's Unknown magazine, but there's definitely a big gap between that and "modern" examples.
https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2022/01/no-good-very-bad-movies-16-one-with.html
David N. Brown
Mesa Arizona

On 2/1/2022 5:41 PM, David Brown wrote:
> Here's another movie review I decided was worth posting here, the "original" Troll. I'm considering it as possibly the first urban fantasy film, though there are earlier films that come close. A point for discussion, when did the (sub)genre really start? I'd say it was already in evidence in John Campbell's Unknown magazine, but there's definitely a big gap between that and "modern" examples.
> https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2022/01/no-good-very-bad-movies-16-one-with.html
> David N. Brown
> Mesa Arizona

The Wolf Man, etc, from 1930s onward would qualify as urban fantasy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wolf_Man_(1941_film)

Lynn

On Wednesday, 2 February 2022 at 00:29:48 UTC, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 2/1/2022 5:41 PM, David Brown wrote:
> > Here's another movie review I decided was worth posting here, the "original" Troll. I'm considering it as possibly the first urban fantasy film, though there are earlier films that come close. A point for discussion, when did the (sub)genre really start? I'd say it was already in evidence in John Campbell's Unknown magazine, but there's definitely a big gap between that and "modern" examples.
> > https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2022/01/no-good-very-bad-movies-16-one-with.html
> > David N. Brown
> > Mesa Arizona
> The Wolf Man, etc, from 1930s onward would qualify as urban fantasy.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wolf_Man_(1941_film)

I think the original novels of _Frankenstein_ and
_Dracula_ are urban fantasy. I've not read it through
but I think Franky does his stuff at university in Ingolstadt?

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 10:22:07 PM UTC+11, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> On Wednesday, 2 February 2022 at 00:29:48 UTC, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> > On 2/1/2022 5:41 PM, David Brown wrote:
> > > Here's another movie review I decided was worth posting here, the "original" Troll. I'm considering it as possibly the first urban fantasy film, though there are earlier films that come close. A point for discussion, when did the (sub)genre really start? I'd say it was already in evidence in John Campbell's Unknown magazine, but there's definitely a big gap between that and "modern" examples.
> > > https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2022/01/no-good-very-bad-movies-16-one-with.html
> > > David N. Brown
> > > Mesa Arizona
> > The Wolf Man, etc, from 1930s onward would qualify as urban fantasy.
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wolf_Man_(1941_film)
> I think the original novels of _Frankenstein_ and
> _Dracula_ are urban fantasy. I've not read it through
> but I think Franky does his stuff at university in Ingolstadt?

Frankenstein is science fiction
Dracula is arguable as urban fantasy, or it could be classified as horror

Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
>
> I think the original novels of _Frankenstein_ and
> _Dracula_ are urban fantasy. I've not read it through
> but I think Franky does his stuff at university in Ingolstadt?

_Frankenstein_ and _Dracula_ would more often be classified
as Horror, though. I'd say that one of the defining characteristics
of urban fantasy is that it focuses on how the mundane and
fantastical aspects of the world in the story co-exists. Simply
having a supernatural threat or element in a modern day setting
isn't by itself defining for the genre.

Of course, as always with genre definitions there are no hard
definitions and there are always books that could equally well
be sorted into several different genres. Still, I would say
that for example "Good Omens" is a much better fit for urban
fantasy than "The Omen" is.

--
Leif Roar Moldskred

On Wednesday, 2 February 2022 at 13:10:42 UTC, Leif Roar Moldskred wrote:
> Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
> >
> > I think the original novels of _Frankenstein_ and
> > _Dracula_ are urban fantasy. I've not read it through
> > but I think Franky does his stuff at university in Ingolstadt?
> _Frankenstein_ and _Dracula_ would more often be classified
> as Horror, though. I'd say that one of the defining characteristics
> of urban fantasy is that it focuses on how the mundane and
> fantastical aspects of the world in the story co-exists. Simply
> having a supernatural threat or element in a modern day setting
> isn't by itself defining for the genre.
>
> Of course, as always with genre definitions there are no hard
> definitions and there are always books that could equally well
> be sorted into several different genres. Still, I would say
> that for example "Good Omens" is a much better fit for urban
> fantasy than "The Omen" is.

Despite being mainly the same story? Though Adam's
parts are set in an English village, I think.

OK then: how about this? From 1917.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cottingley_Fairies>
Also set in a village, admittedly. Though 105 years later
it is administratively within Bradford.

Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
>
> Despite being mainly the same story?

While "Good Omens" shared central plot elements with "The Omen", I
think it's wildly inaccurate to call them "the same story." Themes,
characters and tone are all wildly different.

That aside, the same _story_ -- as in the the main storyline and
plot elements -- can often be seen retold in different genres. "The
Magnificent Seven" is in a different genre from "Seven Samurai",
even if the former is a retelling of the latter.

--
Leif Roar Moldskred
"A New Hope" is absolutely just a Western, though.

On Wed, 02 Feb 2022 13:39:34 -0600, Leif Roar Moldskred wrote:

> Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
>>
>> Despite being mainly the same story?
>
> While "Good Omens" shared central plot elements with "The Omen", I think
> it's wildly inaccurate to call them "the same story." Themes,
> characters and tone are all wildly different.
>
> That aside, the same _story_ -- as in the the main storyline and plot
> elements -- can often be seen retold in different genres. "The
> Magnificent Seven" is in a different genre from "Seven Samurai", even if
> the former is a retelling of the latter.

And of course Battle Beyond the Stars is The Magnificent Seven in SPACE

On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 10:11:45 AM UTC+11, Magewolf wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Feb 2022 13:39:34 -0600, Leif Roar Moldskred wrote:
>
> > Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Despite being mainly the same story?
> >
> > While "Good Omens" shared central plot elements with "The Omen", I think
> > it's wildly inaccurate to call them "the same story." Themes,
> > characters and tone are all wildly different.
> >
> > That aside, the same _story_ -- as in the the main storyline and plot
> > elements -- can often be seen retold in different genres. "The
> > Magnificent Seven" is in a different genre from "Seven Samurai", even if
> > the former is a retelling of the latter.
> And of course Battle Beyond the Stars is The Magnificent Seven in SPACE

Done really, really badly.

-Moriarty

On Thu, 03 Feb 2022 15:13:07 -0800, Moriarty wrote:

> On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 10:11:45 AM UTC+11, Magewolf wrote:
>> On Wed, 02 Feb 2022 13:39:34 -0600, Leif Roar Moldskred wrote:
>>
>> > Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Despite being mainly the same story?
>> >
>> > While "Good Omens" shared central plot elements with "The Omen", I
>> > think it's wildly inaccurate to call them "the same story." Themes,
>> > characters and tone are all wildly different.
>> >
>> > That aside, the same _story_ -- as in the the main storyline and plot
>> > elements -- can often be seen retold in different genres. "The
>> > Magnificent Seven" is in a different genre from "Seven Samurai", even
>> > if the former is a retelling of the latter.
>> And of course Battle Beyond the Stars is The Magnificent Seven in SPACE
>
> Done really, really badly.
>
> -Moriarty

But it had boobs(even the spaceship did).