In the event of a Russian victory in World War I, are we subsequently going to see the spread of a Russian diaspora throughout Eastern Europe?

On 7/23/2021 12:37 PM, WolfBear wrote:
> In the event of a Russian victory in World War I, are we subsequently going to see the spread of a Russian diaspora throughout Eastern Europe?
>
Depends on how you get a Russian victory in WW1. Does the Czar being
smart enough to sit the fiasco out count?

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WolfBear <m4josh@gmail.com> on Fri, 23 Jul 2021 12:37:15 -0700 (PDT)
typed in alt.history.what-if the following:
>In the event of a Russian victory in World War I, are we subsequently going to see the spread of a Russian diaspora throughout Eastern Europe?

No.

"Diaspora" is when you are forced out of the homeland.

Ethnic Russians moving around the Empire are not "diaspora."
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On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 2:33:45 PM UTC-7, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> WolfBear <m4j...@gmail.com> on Fri, 23 Jul 2021 12:37:15 -0700 (PDT)
> typed in alt.history.what-if the following:
> >In the event of a Russian victory in World War I, are we subsequently going to see the spread of a Russian diaspora throughout Eastern Europe?
> No.
>
> "Diaspora" is when you are forced out of the homeland.
>
> Ethnic Russians moving around the Empire are not "diaspora."
> --
> pyotr filipivich
> "History rarely repeats herself" is the cliche. In reality she just
> lets fly with a frying pan yelling "Why weren't you listening the first time!?"

Eastern Europe != The Russian Empire.

On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 1:15:33 PM UTC-7, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 7/23/2021 12:37 PM, WolfBear wrote:
> > In the event of a Russian victory in World War I, are we subsequently going to see the spread of a Russian diaspora throughout Eastern Europe?
> >
> Depends on how you get a Russian victory in WW1. Does the Czar being
> smart enough to sit the fiasco out count?
>
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Sure, why not?

On 7/23/2021 6:44 PM, WolfBear wrote:
> On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 1:15:33 PM UTC-7, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> On 7/23/2021 12:37 PM, WolfBear wrote:
>>> In the event of a Russian victory in World War I, are we subsequently going to see the spread of a Russian diaspora throughout Eastern Europe?
>>>
>> Depends on how you get a Russian victory in WW1. Does the Czar being
>> smart enough to sit the fiasco out count?
>>
>
> Sure, why not?
>
In which case you may not HAVE a WW1. It was Russia backing the Serbs
against the Austro-Hungarians that started the escalations and
mobilizations that lead to WW1. So the question becomes, what do the
Serbs do when AH makes demands and Russia won't protect them?

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On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 7:28:45 PM UTC-7, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 7/23/2021 6:44 PM, WolfBear wrote:
> > On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 1:15:33 PM UTC-7, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> >> On 7/23/2021 12:37 PM, WolfBear wrote:
> >>> In the event of a Russian victory in World War I, are we subsequently going to see the spread of a Russian diaspora throughout Eastern Europe?
> >>>
> >> Depends on how you get a Russian victory in WW1. Does the Czar being
> >> smart enough to sit the fiasco out count?
> >>
> >
> > Sure, why not?
> >
> In which case you may not HAVE a WW1. It was Russia backing the Serbs
> against the Austro-Hungarians that started the escalations and
> mobilizations that lead to WW1. So the question becomes, what do the
> Serbs do when AH makes demands and Russia won't protect them?
> --
> Troll, troll, troll your post gently down the thread
> Angrily, angrily, angrily, the net's a nut's scream.

Capitulate?

WolfBear <m4josh@gmail.com> on Fri, 23 Jul 2021 18:43:56 -0700 (PDT)
typed in alt.history.what-if the following:
>On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 2:33:45 PM UTC-7, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> WolfBear <m4j...@gmail.com> on Fri, 23 Jul 2021 12:37:15 -0700 (PDT)
>> typed in alt.history.what-if the following:
>> >In the event of a Russian victory in World War I, are we subsequently going to see the spread of a Russian diaspora throughout Eastern Europe?
>> No.
>>
>> "Diaspora" is when you are forced out of the homeland.
>>
>> Ethnic Russians moving around the Empire are not "diaspora."
>> --
>> pyotr filipivich
>> "History rarely repeats herself" is the cliche. In reality she just
>> lets fly with a frying pan yelling "Why weren't you listening the first time!?"
>
>Eastern Europe != The Russian Empire.

Russia Victorious, eastern Europe will be in The Empire.

But first, what do you mean by "eastern Europe" in 1914?
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"History rarely repeats herself" is the cliche. In reality she just
lets fly with a frying pan yelling "Why weren't you listening the first time!?"

On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 18:43:56 -0700 (PDT), WolfBear wrote:

> On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 2:33:45 PM UTC-7, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> WolfBear <m4j...@gmail.com> on Fri, 23 Jul 2021 12:37:15 -0700 (PDT)
>> typed in alt.history.what-if the following:
>>>In the event of a Russian victory in World War I, are we subsequently going to see the spread of a Russian diaspora throughout Eastern Europe?
>> No.
>>
>> "Diaspora" is when you are forced out of the homeland.
>>
>> Ethnic Russians moving around the Empire are not "diaspora."
>> --
>> pyotr filipivich
>> "History rarely repeats herself" is the cliche. In reality she just
>> lets fly with a frying pan yelling "Why weren't you listening the first time!?"
>
> Eastern Europe != The Russian Empire.

If no A-H, a weakened Germany and Turkey, what is to stop Russian
influence?

On 7/23/21 4:33 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> "Diaspora" is when you are forced out of the homeland.

Not at all.

"Diaspora" is used to refer to any emigrant population which
continues to identify with the homeland or ethnicity. There
is today an Indian diaspora.

It includes recent Indian migrants in the US, Canada, and Europe,
but also the long-established Indian communities in the West
Indies, South Africa, Malaysia, and Singapore.

There is a very widespread Filipino diaspora - in the US, Hong
Kong, and Europe. (We had a live-in Filipino caregiver for my
mother, who was from Cebu, and had lived and worked in Chicago,
New York, Singapore, and Germany.)

There is a British West Indian diaspora in the US, Canada, and
Britain.

None of these were "forced out".
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On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 13:15:34 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

>On 7/23/2021 12:37 PM, WolfBear wrote:
>> In the event of a Russian victory in World War I, are we subsequently going to see the spread of a Russian diaspora throughout Eastern Europe?
>>
>Depends on how you get a Russian victory in WW1. Does the Czar being
>smart enough to sit the fiasco out count?

What do you mean? If Russia "sits out the fiasco" (which I interpret
to mean "doesn't support Serbia") then Austria crushes Serbia, German
and Russia do not enter the war and the war does not spread to western
Europe.

Because Germany's 1914 war plan unconditional DID involve an invasion
of Belgium and France and one of the reasons I have argued for years
that the OTL German war plan ENSURES any war in the Balkans becames a
2-front war and thus Versailles Article 231 (the 'war guilt clause')
was TOTALLY JUSTIFIED.

Only if Germany never guarantees to support Austria does that
guarantee never get issued - and that's (1) if Austria settles with
Serbia without war or (2) Austria crushes Serbia and Russia does not
intervene - because if Russia DOES intervene Austria will get crushed
without German support - and the evidence is that of the major powers
in 1914 everybody knew that!

Austria-Hungary simply would not risk war with Russia without full
expectation of German support and THAT means a Western front something
along the lines of OTL.