Spear by Nicola Griffith

https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/many-a-noble-deed
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In article <t0ct60$lmh$1@reader1.panix.com>,
jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:

> Spear by Nicola Griffith
>
> https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/many-a-noble-deed

Even before the French started rewriting the Arthur stories (for
example, Lancelot wasn't in the originals), the Arthur stories didn't
have much to do with historical post-Roman Britain.

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Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote in
news:robertaw-E413A0.09405110032022@news.individual.net:

> In article <t0ct60$lmh$1@reader1.panix.com>,
> jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
>
>> Spear by Nicola Griffith
>>
>> https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/many-a-noble-deed
>
> Even before the French started rewriting the Arthur stories (for
> example, Lancelot wasn't in the originals), the Arthur stories
> didn't have much to do with historical post-Roman Britain.
>
The closest connection to historical post-Roman Britain is Gildas,
who was explicitly writing a political screed (and never mentions
Arthur by name).

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 8:07:18 AM UTC-5, James Nicoll wrote:
> Spear by Nicola Griffith
>
> https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/many-a-noble-deed

Another Sutcliff-imprinted person here. The Lantern bearers, grade five, some other medieval one, grade two.

Though very different from the above's "Sword at Sunset", I thought Baxter's portrait of Arthur in "Coalescent", was not a bad one.

William Hyde

William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> writes:
>On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 8:07:18 AM UTC-5, James Nicoll wrote:
>> Spear by Nicola Griffith
>>
>> https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/many-a-noble-deed
>
>Another Sutcliff-imprinted person here. The Lantern bearers, grade five, some other medieval one, grade two.
>

For me, it was Mary Stewart's _The Crystal Cave_ and _The Hollow Hills_.

Still an annual re-read, but spoiled most other historical fiction
versions (White, Bradley's _TMOA_) for me.

>Though very different from the above's "Sword at Sunset", I thought Baxter's portrait of Arthur in "Coalescent", was not a bad one.
>

I enjoyed Murphy & Cochran's _The Forever King_ as a modern setting,
but wasn't real fond of _The Broken Sword_.

scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
news:TPtWJ.127091$aT3.97772@fx09.iad:

> William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> writes:
>>On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 8:07:18 AM UTC-5, James Nicoll
>>wrote:
>>> Spear by Nicola Griffith
>>>
>>> https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/many-a-noble-deed
>>
>>Another Sutcliff-imprinted person here. The Lantern bearers,
>>grade five, some other medieval one, grade two.
>>
>
> For me, it was Mary Stewart's _The Crystal Cave_ and _The Hollow
> Hills_.

And the other two books in the set (though the last one is more about
Merlin and Arthur).

Me, too.
>
> Still an annual re-read, but spoiled most other historical
> fiction versions (White, Bradley's _TMOA_) for me.

And that.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 5:25:56 PM UTC-5, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
> news:TPtWJ.127091$aT3....@fx09.iad:
> > William Hyde <wthyd...@gmail.com> writes:
> >>On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 8:07:18 AM UTC-5, James Nicoll
> >>wrote:
> >>> Spear by Nicola Griffith
> >>>
> >>> https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/many-a-noble-deed
> >>
> >>Another Sutcliff-imprinted person here. The Lantern bearers,
> >>grade five, some other medieval one, grade two.
> >>
> >
> > For me, it was Mary Stewart's _The Crystal Cave_ and _The Hollow
> > Hills_.
> And the other two books in the set (though the last one is more about
> Merlin and Arthur).
>
> Me, too.
> >
> > Still an annual re-read, but spoiled most other historical
> > fiction versions (White, Bradley's _TMOA_) for me.
> And that.

For me, Mallory, though I really like White, and am a fan of
Boorman's 'Excalibur' movie.

I lived in the Glastonbury area for 6 years as a kid, and was
heavily exposed to the more woo woo end of the mythos.

Pt

"pete...@gmail.com" <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote in
news:65aad397-8d37-46e1-85b1-d5fb6a3bf7een@googlegroups.com:

> On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 5:25:56 PM UTC-5, Jibini Kula
> Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>> sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
>> news:TPtWJ.127091$aT3....@fx09.iad:
>> > William Hyde <wthyd...@gmail.com> writes:
>> >>On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 8:07:18 AM UTC-5, James Nicoll
>> >>wrote:
>> >>> Spear by Nicola Griffith
>> >>>
>> >>> https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/many-a-noble-deed
>> >>
>> >>Another Sutcliff-imprinted person here. The Lantern bearers,
>> >>grade five, some other medieval one, grade two.
>> >>
>> >
>> > For me, it was Mary Stewart's _The Crystal Cave_ and _The
>> > Hollow Hills_.
>> And the other two books in the set (though the last one is more
>> about Merlin and Arthur).
>>
>> Me, too.
>> >
>> > Still an annual re-read, but spoiled most other historical
>> > fiction versions (White, Bradley's _TMOA_) for me.
>> And that.
>
> For me, Mallory, though I really like White,

"Antland Uber Alles" was funny at the time. I suspect I'd be less
amused if I reread it now.

> and am a fan of
> Boorman's 'Excalibur' movie.

The one with the chrome plated everything? Chrome plated armor,
chrome plated castle, chrome plated Merlin? That one?
>
> I lived in the Glastonbury area for 6 years as a kid, and was
> heavily exposed to the more woo woo end of the mythos.
>
Undoubtedly. I've always been more interested in the history than
the myths.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 3:38:33 PM UTC-5, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
> "pete...@gmail.com" <pete...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:65aad397-8d37-46e1...@googlegroups.com:
> > On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 5:25:56 PM UTC-5, Jibini Kula
> > Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> >> sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
> >> news:TPtWJ.127091$aT3....@fx09.iad:
> >> > William Hyde <wthyd...@gmail.com> writes:
> >> >>On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 8:07:18 AM UTC-5, James Nicoll
> >> >>wrote:
> >> >>> Spear by Nicola Griffith
> >> >>>
> >> >>> https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/many-a-noble-deed
> >> >>
> >> >>Another Sutcliff-imprinted person here. The Lantern bearers,
> >> >>grade five, some other medieval one, grade two.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > For me, it was Mary Stewart's _The Crystal Cave_ and _The
> >> > Hollow Hills_.
> >> And the other two books in the set (though the last one is more
> >> about Merlin and Arthur).
> >>
> >> Me, too.
> >> >
> >> > Still an annual re-read, but spoiled most other historical
> >> > fiction versions (White, Bradley's _TMOA_) for me.
> >> And that.
> >
> > For me, Mallory, though I really like White,
> "Antland Uber Alles" was funny at the time. I suspect I'd be less
> amused if I reread it now.
> > and am a fan of
> > Boorman's 'Excalibur' movie.
> The one with the chrome plated everything? Chrome plated armor,
> chrome plated castle, chrome plated Merlin? That one?

Yup, that one. Including sex scenes in full plate armor. It's absolutely
ridiculous from a historical pov, but wonderful from a mythological
one. It conflates a lot of things, but that lets it include a lot of references
to things most versions leave out, such as the Wounded (Fisher) King/Wasteland
arc.

> > I lived in the Glastonbury area for 6 years as a kid, and was
> > heavily exposed to the more woo woo end of the mythos.
> >
> Undoubtedly. I've always been more interested in the history than
> the myths.

I like both, but the myths are more fun. One just has to keep
the dividing line distinct

Pt

"pete...@gmail.com" <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote in
news:0bae90d8-c255-45c5-a735-97ff6417877bn@googlegroups.com:

> On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 3:38:33 PM UTC-5, Ninapenda Jibini
> wrote:
>> "pete...@gmail.com" <pete...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:65aad397-8d37-46e1...@googlegroups.com:
>> > On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 5:25:56 PM UTC-5, Jibini Kula
>> > Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>> >> sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
>> >> news:TPtWJ.127091$aT3....@fx09.iad:
>> >> > William Hyde <wthyd...@gmail.com> writes:
>> >> >>On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 8:07:18 AM UTC-5, James
>> >> >>Nicoll wrote:
>> >> >>> Spear by Nicola Griffith
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/many-a-noble-deed
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Another Sutcliff-imprinted person here. The Lantern
>> >> >>bearers, grade five, some other medieval one, grade two.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > For me, it was Mary Stewart's _The Crystal Cave_ and _The
>> >> > Hollow Hills_.
>> >> And the other two books in the set (though the last one is
>> >> more about Merlin and Arthur).
>> >>
>> >> Me, too.
>> >> >
>> >> > Still an annual re-read, but spoiled most other historical
>> >> > fiction versions (White, Bradley's _TMOA_) for me.
>> >> And that.
>> >
>> > For me, Mallory, though I really like White,
>> "Antland Uber Alles" was funny at the time. I suspect I'd be
>> less amused if I reread it now.
>> > and am a fan of
>> > Boorman's 'Excalibur' movie.
>> The one with the chrome plated everything? Chrome plated armor,
>> chrome plated castle, chrome plated Merlin? That one?
>
> Yup, that one. Including sex scenes in full plate armor.

That was painful even to watch, despite bare titties.

> It's
> absolutely ridiculous from a historical pov, but wonderful from
> a mythological one. It conflates a lot of things, but that lets
> it include a lot of references to things most versions leave
> out, such as the Wounded (Fisher) King/Wasteland arc.
>
>> > I lived in the Glastonbury area for 6 years as a kid, and was
>> > heavily exposed to the more woo woo end of the mythos.
>> >
>> Undoubtedly. I've always been more interested in the history
>> than the myths.
>
> I like both, but the myths are more fun. One just has to keep
> the dividing line distinct
>
I don't read much fantasy, and I'm fairly picky about what I read
in any genre. And most Arthurian fantasy has been crap for a long
time, and these days, it's usually far, far more about modern woke
politics than anything else (but then, what isn't?).

I guess I'm still scarred by Mists of Avalon, one of three books
I've ever put down partway through knowing I would *never* pick
them up again. A hundred pages of "the middle ages were terrible,
especially for women becaue men suck" was quite enough.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 7:49:17 PM UTC-5, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
> "pete...@gmail.com" <pete...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:0bae90d8-c255-45c5...@googlegroups.com:
> > On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 3:38:33 PM UTC-5, Ninapenda Jibini
> > wrote:
> >> "pete...@gmail.com" <pete...@gmail.com> wrote in
> >> news:65aad397-8d37-46e1...@googlegroups.com:
> >> > On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 5:25:56 PM UTC-5, Jibini Kula
> >> > Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> >> >> sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
> >> >> news:TPtWJ.127091$aT3....@fx09.iad:
> >> >> > William Hyde <wthyd...@gmail.com> writes:
> >> >> >>On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 8:07:18 AM UTC-5, James
> >> >> >>Nicoll wrote:
> >> >> >>> Spear by Nicola Griffith
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/many-a-noble-deed
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Another Sutcliff-imprinted person here. The Lantern
> >> >> >>bearers, grade five, some other medieval one, grade two.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > For me, it was Mary Stewart's _The Crystal Cave_ and _The
> >> >> > Hollow Hills_.
> >> >> And the other two books in the set (though the last one is
> >> >> more about Merlin and Arthur).
> >> >>
> >> >> Me, too.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Still an annual re-read, but spoiled most other historical
> >> >> > fiction versions (White, Bradley's _TMOA_) for me.
> >> >> And that.
> >> >
> >> > For me, Mallory, though I really like White,
> >> "Antland Uber Alles" was funny at the time. I suspect I'd be
> >> less amused if I reread it now.
> >> > and am a fan of
> >> > Boorman's 'Excalibur' movie.
> >> The one with the chrome plated everything? Chrome plated armor,
> >> chrome plated castle, chrome plated Merlin? That one?
> >
> > Yup, that one. Including sex scenes in full plate armor.
> That was painful even to watch, despite bare titties.
> > It's
> > absolutely ridiculous from a historical pov, but wonderful from
> > a mythological one. It conflates a lot of things, but that lets
> > it include a lot of references to things most versions leave
> > out, such as the Wounded (Fisher) King/Wasteland arc.
> >
> >> > I lived in the Glastonbury area for 6 years as a kid, and was
> >> > heavily exposed to the more woo woo end of the mythos.
> >> >
> >> Undoubtedly. I've always been more interested in the history
> >> than the myths.
> >
> > I like both, but the myths are more fun. One just has to keep
> > the dividing line distinct
> >
> I don't read much fantasy, and I'm fairly picky about what I read
> in any genre. And most Arthurian fantasy has been crap for a long
> time, and these days, it's usually far, far more about modern woke
> politics than anything else (but then, what isn't?).
>
> I guess I'm still scarred by Mists of Avalon, one of three books
> I've ever put down partway through knowing I would *never* pick
> them up again. A hundred pages of "the middle ages were terrible,
> especially for women becaue men suck" was quite enough.

I could not finish it either.

Pt

In article <93160730-60c2-48f7-a8d1-350eafc0778bn@googlegroups.com>,
pete...@gmail.com <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 7:49:17 PM UTC-5, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
>> "pete...@gmail.com" <pete...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:0bae90d8-c255-45c5...@googlegroups.com:
>> > On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 3:38:33 PM UTC-5, Ninapenda Jibini
>> > wrote:
>> >> "pete...@gmail.com" <pete...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> >> news:65aad397-8d37-46e1...@googlegroups.com:
>> >> > On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 5:25:56 PM UTC-5, Jibini Kula
>> >> > Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>> >> >> sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
>> >> >> news:TPtWJ.127091$aT3....@fx09.iad:
>> >> >> > William Hyde <wthyd...@gmail.com> writes:
>> >> >> >>On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 8:07:18 AM UTC-5, James
>> >> >> >>Nicoll wrote:
>> >> >> >>> Spear by Nicola Griffith
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/many-a-noble-deed
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>Another Sutcliff-imprinted person here. The Lantern
>> >> >> >>bearers, grade five, some other medieval one, grade two.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > For me, it was Mary Stewart's _The Crystal Cave_ and _The
>> >> >> > Hollow Hills_.
>> >> >> And the other two books in the set (though the last one is
>> >> >> more about Merlin and Arthur).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Me, too.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Still an annual re-read, but spoiled most other historical
>> >> >> > fiction versions (White, Bradley's _TMOA_) for me.
>> >> >> And that.
>> >> >
>> >> > For me, Mallory, though I really like White,
>> >> "Antland Uber Alles" was funny at the time. I suspect I'd be
>> >> less amused if I reread it now.
>> >> > and am a fan of
>> >> > Boorman's 'Excalibur' movie.
>> >> The one with the chrome plated everything? Chrome plated armor,
>> >> chrome plated castle, chrome plated Merlin? That one?
>> >
>> > Yup, that one. Including sex scenes in full plate armor.
>> That was painful even to watch, despite bare titties.
>> > It's
>> > absolutely ridiculous from a historical pov, but wonderful from
>> > a mythological one. It conflates a lot of things, but that lets
>> > it include a lot of references to things most versions leave
>> > out, such as the Wounded (Fisher) King/Wasteland arc.
>> >
>> >> > I lived in the Glastonbury area for 6 years as a kid, and was
>> >> > heavily exposed to the more woo woo end of the mythos.
>> >> >
>> >> Undoubtedly. I've always been more interested in the history
>> >> than the myths.
>> >
>> > I like both, but the myths are more fun. One just has to keep
>> > the dividing line distinct
>> >
>> I don't read much fantasy, and I'm fairly picky about what I read
>> in any genre. And most Arthurian fantasy has been crap for a long
>> time, and these days, it's usually far, far more about modern woke
>> politics than anything else (but then, what isn't?).
>>
>> I guess I'm still scarred by Mists of Avalon, one of three books
>> I've ever put down partway through knowing I would *never* pick
>> them up again. A hundred pages of "the middle ages were terrible,
>> especially for women becaue men suck" was quite enough.
>
>I could not finish it either.

I never attempted to open it.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

In article <r8M6px.KH7@kithrup.com>,
djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:

> In article <93160730-60c2-48f7-a8d1-350eafc0778bn@googlegroups.com>,
> pete...@gmail.com <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 7:49:17 PM UTC-5, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
> >> "pete...@gmail.com" <pete...@gmail.com> wrote in
> >> news:0bae90d8-c255-45c5...@googlegroups.com:
> >> > On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 3:38:33 PM UTC-5, Ninapenda Jibini
> >> > wrote:
> >> >> "pete...@gmail.com" <pete...@gmail.com> wrote in
> >> >> news:65aad397-8d37-46e1...@googlegroups.com:
> >> >> > On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 5:25:56 PM UTC-5, Jibini Kula
> >> >> > Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> >> >> >> sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
> >> >> >> news:TPtWJ.127091$aT3....@fx09.iad:
> >> >> >> > William Hyde <wthyd...@gmail.com> writes:
> >> >> >> >>On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 8:07:18 AM UTC-5, James
> >> >> >> >>Nicoll wrote:
> >> >> >> >>> Spear by Nicola Griffith
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/many-a-noble-deed
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>Another Sutcliff-imprinted person here. The Lantern
> >> >> >> >>bearers, grade five, some other medieval one, grade two.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > For me, it was Mary Stewart's _The Crystal Cave_ and _The
> >> >> >> > Hollow Hills_.
> >> >> >> And the other two books in the set (though the last one is
> >> >> >> more about Merlin and Arthur).
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Me, too.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Still an annual re-read, but spoiled most other historical
> >> >> >> > fiction versions (White, Bradley's _TMOA_) for me.
> >> >> >> And that.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > For me, Mallory, though I really like White,
> >> >> "Antland Uber Alles" was funny at the time. I suspect I'd be
> >> >> less amused if I reread it now.
> >> >> > and am a fan of
> >> >> > Boorman's 'Excalibur' movie.
> >> >> The one with the chrome plated everything? Chrome plated armor,
> >> >> chrome plated castle, chrome plated Merlin? That one?
> >> >
> >> > Yup, that one. Including sex scenes in full plate armor.
> >> That was painful even to watch, despite bare titties.
> >> > It's
> >> > absolutely ridiculous from a historical pov, but wonderful from
> >> > a mythological one. It conflates a lot of things, but that lets
> >> > it include a lot of references to things most versions leave
> >> > out, such as the Wounded (Fisher) King/Wasteland arc.
> >> >
> >> >> > I lived in the Glastonbury area for 6 years as a kid, and was
> >> >> > heavily exposed to the more woo woo end of the mythos.
> >> >> >
> >> >> Undoubtedly. I've always been more interested in the history
> >> >> than the myths.
> >> >
> >> > I like both, but the myths are more fun. One just has to keep
> >> > the dividing line distinct
> >> >
> >> I don't read much fantasy, and I'm fairly picky about what I read
> >> in any genre. And most Arthurian fantasy has been crap for a long
> >> time, and these days, it's usually far, far more about modern woke
> >> politics than anything else (but then, what isn't?).
> >>
> >> I guess I'm still scarred by Mists of Avalon, one of three books
> >> I've ever put down partway through knowing I would *never* pick
> >> them up again. A hundred pages of "the middle ages were terrible,
> >> especially for women becaue men suck" was quite enough.
> >
> >I could not finish it either.
>
> I never attempted to open it.

I admired the cover art for years, but I eventually sold the book unread.

--
"We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_.
�-----------------------------------------------------
Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

In article <93160730-60c2-48f7-a8d1-350eafc0778bn@googlegroups.com>,
pete...@gmail.com <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 7:49:17 PM UTC-5, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
>> "pete...@gmail.com" <pete...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:0bae90d8-c255-45c5...@googlegroups.com:
>> > On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 3:38:33 PM UTC-5, Ninapenda Jibini
>> > wrote:
>> >> "pete...@gmail.com" <pete...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> >> news:65aad397-8d37-46e1...@googlegroups.com:
>> >> > On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 5:25:56 PM UTC-5, Jibini Kula
>> >> > Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>> >> >> sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
>> >> >> news:TPtWJ.127091$aT3....@fx09.iad:
>> >> >> > William Hyde <wthyd...@gmail.com> writes:
>> >> >> >>On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 8:07:18 AM UTC-5, James
>> >> >> >>Nicoll wrote:
>> >> >> >>> Spear by Nicola Griffith
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/many-a-noble-deed
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>Another Sutcliff-imprinted person here. The Lantern
>> >> >> >>bearers, grade five, some other medieval one, grade two.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > For me, it was Mary Stewart's _The Crystal Cave_ and _The
>> >> >> > Hollow Hills_.
>> >> >> And the other two books in the set (though the last one is
>> >> >> more about Merlin and Arthur).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Me, too.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Still an annual re-read, but spoiled most other historical
>> >> >> > fiction versions (White, Bradley's _TMOA_) for me.
>> >> >> And that.
>> >> >
>> >> > For me, Mallory, though I really like White,
>> >> "Antland Uber Alles" was funny at the time. I suspect I'd be
>> >> less amused if I reread it now.
>> >> > and am a fan of
>> >> > Boorman's 'Excalibur' movie.
>> >> The one with the chrome plated everything? Chrome plated armor,
>> >> chrome plated castle, chrome plated Merlin? That one?
>> >
>> > Yup, that one. Including sex scenes in full plate armor.
>> That was painful even to watch, despite bare titties.
>> > It's
>> > absolutely ridiculous from a historical pov, but wonderful from
>> > a mythological one. It conflates a lot of things, but that lets
>> > it include a lot of references to things most versions leave
>> > out, such as the Wounded (Fisher) King/Wasteland arc.
>> >
>> >> > I lived in the Glastonbury area for 6 years as a kid, and was
>> >> > heavily exposed to the more woo woo end of the mythos.
>> >> >
>> >> Undoubtedly. I've always been more interested in the history
>> >> than the myths.
>> >
>> > I like both, but the myths are more fun. One just has to keep
>> > the dividing line distinct
>> >
>> I don't read much fantasy, and I'm fairly picky about what I read
>> in any genre. And most Arthurian fantasy has been crap for a long
>> time, and these days, it's usually far, far more about modern woke
>> politics than anything else (but then, what isn't?).
>>
>> I guess I'm still scarred by Mists of Avalon, one of three books
>> I've ever put down partway through knowing I would *never* pick
>> them up again. A hundred pages of "the middle ages were terrible,
>> especially for women becaue men suck" was quite enough.
>
>I could not finish it either.

And yet if one trundles over to MZB's Darkover books, one finds the
Comyn protagonists horrified that off-worlders might seduce the poor
befuddled peasantry with temptations like medicine and modern toilets.

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In article <ugjp2hdubjlm3rmqbke58b07bhj09pspmr@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>
>And, BTW, the Middle Ages were pretty bad, and, yes, men had it rather
>better than women. Reality bites, doesn't it.

I feel like 'men didn't have it quite as awful as women' is closer.
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jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote in
news:t0ilgg$c7h$1@reader1.panix.com:

> In article <ugjp2hdubjlm3rmqbke58b07bhj09pspmr@4ax.com>,
> Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>And, BTW, the Middle Ages were pretty bad, and, yes, men had it
>>rather better than women. Reality bites, doesn't it.
>
>
> I feel like 'men didn't have it quite as awful as women' is
> closer.

Dude, when you're too work, man-hating leftist for Nicoll, you've
overstepped.

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