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* Re: [Essay] In defense of Raksha.John Merritt
`* Re: [Essay] In defense of Raksha.Codigo Postal
 +* Re: [Essay] In defense of Raksha.Zobovor
 |`* Re: [Essay] In defense of Raksha.Dave Van Domelen
 | `* Re: [Essay] In defense of Raksha.Codigo Postal
 |  `* Re: [Essay] In defense of Raksha.Gustavo Wombat
 |   `* Re: [Essay] In defense of Raksha.Joseph Bardsley
 |    `- Re: [Essay] In defense of Raksha.Codigo Postal
 `- Re: [Essay] In defense of Raksha.Joseph Bardsley

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 by: John Merritt - Fri, 4 Nov 2022 05:43 UTC

Hello fellow Transformers fan from G1, Beast Wars, Cybertron Headmaster, and to the 2007-2018 live Movies. I want to know if this tread still lives and how your views on the Decepticons and Autobots evolved. Transformers is a series that is one of the best communities I’m proud to be apart.

Also firstly I want remind everyone what the decepitcons did
Live action movies
[Battle of mission city 2007]
[Chicago City Dark of the Moon]
[Battle of Egypt Revenge of the Fallen]
[Hong Kong Age of Extinction]

Transformers Prime
Cyberform Earth into a mechanical world

TF Animated:
Take earth’s resources

TF War/Fall of Cybertron
Wage War through violence
Corrupt Primus ending the energon flow for the Transformers

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Subject: Re: [Essay] In defense of Raksha.
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 by: Codigo Postal - Fri, 4 Nov 2022 13:17 UTC

This thread is a great reminder of the days when Transformers sparked great discussions beyond "have you seen the latest toy?"

As Robert Powers once wrote:

"I'm not complaining about all the stuff we're getting. I think it's fantastic; I think this -- right now -- is absolutely the best time ever to be a Transformer fan. I'll take this in a heartbeat over the days of the mid-1990s when fanfic was seemingly the only chance of us ever seeing Transformers in action again. And yet, I miss something about those days, too -- namely, the intensity of them. There were characters worth caring about, and dammit, we cared mighty hard." (http://builtstlouis.net/tf/manic/m-acquisition.html)

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 by: Zobovor - Sat, 5 Nov 2022 03:55 UTC

On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 7:17:48 AM UTC-6, Codigo Postal wrote:

> This thread is a great reminder of the days when Transformers sparked great discussions beyond "have you seen the latest toy?"

I must be some kind of idiot, because I remember posts by The_Great_Cornholio, but for some reason I never made the connection that he was Skyflight.

With that said, it took ATT a long time to figure out the difference between arguing the issues and launching ad hominem attacks. The ability to say "I disagree with you, but that's fine" is not something people are born with. You really have to learn it.

Zob (got Legacy Minerva today, anybody seen her yet?)

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 by: Joseph Bardsley - Sat, 5 Nov 2022 04:10 UTC

On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 6:17:48 AM UTC-7, Codigo Postal wrote:
> This thread is a great reminder of the days when Transformers sparked great discussions beyond "have you seen the latest toy?"
>
> As Robert Powers once wrote:
>
> "I'm not complaining about all the stuff we're getting. I think it's fantastic; I think this -- right now -- is absolutely the best time ever to be a Transformer fan. I'll take this in a heartbeat over the days of the mid-1990s when fanfic was seemingly the only chance of us ever seeing Transformers in action again. And yet, I miss something about those days, too -- namely, the intensity of them. There were characters worth caring about, and dammit, we cared mighty hard." (http://builtstlouis.net/tf/manic/m-acquisition.html)

Very wise words, Codigo - and, all too true.

I agree that the mid-90s were an intense era in the fandom's history that is almost impossible for someone who wasn't there - or at least of an age that can understand what life was like a generation ago - to really grasp.

We didn't have anything close to the level of product, or engagement from Hasbro, or pop culture cachet (heck, even familiarity) that we do now. When G1 ended, it was a major setback in terms of viability and engagement. G2 was, really, a smattering of (often great) toys, with a (great) comic, a retread of the classic cartoon (Kendrick, I'm thinking of you, and your TF: Weekday reviews), and conventions once a year.

Aside from that, there were MUSHes (which I, for one, dearly miss, and was very active in), fanzines (I still have back issues of Con-Quest, and Maelstrom), and ... that was about it, aside from ATT itself, which was very much the centre of online fandom at the time.

Fanfic really was all we had, and a lot of it really was really great. In fact, I'll even go so far as to say that the fanfic that was created and shared then was of objectively higher quality than that you'd find nowadays from writers who simply have no concept for how things were when those stories were literally all we had. I'm thinking, specifically, of writers like Dave van Domelen, Zobovor, Raksha, Rob Jung, Kendrick, Belinda Kelly, Lizard, D.A. James, and Robert Powers himself. They say that necessity is the mother of invention: when there's a dearth of "official" source material, these writers filled the gap and delivered in spades.

Zob once posited that, owing to the composition of the fandom at the time - back in the mid-90s, Internet access was much more likely to be restricted to university students from established schools - may have been part of why so much good writing and (often) civilized debate once thrived here.

All of this to say: it was a different era, and a different time. John Merritt, what prompted you to revisit this nearly 25-year old thread? Just curious.

JB

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 by: Dave Van Domelen - Sat, 5 Nov 2022 18:10 UTC

In article <e4bf6c06-02c8-4731-b983-ee0efb25cfafn@googlegroups.com>,
Zobovor <zmfts@aol.com> wrote:
>On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 7:17:48 AM UTC-6, Codigo Postal wrote:
>
>> This thread is a great reminder of the days when Transformers sparked
>great discussions beyond "have you seen the latest toy?"
>
>I must be some kind of idiot, because I remember posts by
>The_Great_Cornholio, but for some reason I never made the connection
>that he was Skyflight.

The weird thing is that I lived in Columbus and regularly spent time in
person with Raksha, but I never met Skyflight, who also lived in Columbus at
the time. I may have actually found out he was a Columbus resident when news
of his death came out.

>
>Zob (got Legacy Minerva today, anybody seen her yet?)

Not in stores, no. But I haven't really checked since I was able to
order it on Pulse last week (and mine arrived this week).

Raksha's been focusing more on her snakes and her Sloughis (she's on I
think the fourth generation of breeding them). She'll occasionally comment
on my facebook posts about Transformers, but is pretty much out of the
fandom.

Dave Van Domelen, notes that Raksha as long had designs on moving to
Texas for warmer weather, but so far is still in Ohio and not loving this
time of year.

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 by: Codigo Postal - Mon, 7 Nov 2022 20:01 UTC

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 2:10:35 PM UTC-4, Dave Van Domelen wrote:
> In article <e4bf6c06-02c8-4731...@googlegroups.com>,
> Zobovor <zm...@aol.com> wrote:
> >On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 7:17:48 AM UTC-6, Codigo Postal wrote:
> >
> >> This thread is a great reminder of the days when Transformers sparked
> >great discussions beyond "have you seen the latest toy?"
> >
> >I must be some kind of idiot, because I remember posts by
> >The_Great_Cornholio, but for some reason I never made the connection
> >that he was Skyflight.
> The weird thing is that I lived in Columbus and regularly spent time in
> person with Raksha, but I never met Skyflight, who also lived in Columbus at
> the time. I may have actually found out he was a Columbus resident when news
> of his death came out.
> >
> >Zob (got Legacy Minerva today, anybody seen her yet?)
> Not in stores, no. But I haven't really checked since I was able to
> order it on Pulse last week (and mine arrived this week).
>
> Raksha's been focusing more on her snakes and her Sloughis (she's on I
> think the fourth generation of breeding them). She'll occasionally comment
> on my facebook posts about Transformers, but is pretty much out of the
> fandom.
>
> Dave Van Domelen, notes that Raksha as long had designs on moving to
> Texas for warmer weather, but so far is still in Ohio and not loving this
> time of year.

Fascinating. I wonder why she left the fandom? It’s been enough time that hopefully all personal animosities and feuds have been long forgotten or laid to rest. It would be interesting to have her perspective on the developments in the franchise since she was actively involved, like the live-action movies, etc.

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 by: Gustavo Wombat - Mon, 7 Nov 2022 23:28 UTC

Codigo Postal <codigopostal959@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 2:10:35 PM UTC-4, Dave Van Domelen wrote:
>> In article <e4bf6c06-02c8-4731...@googlegroups.com>,
>> Zobovor <zm...@aol.com> wrote:
>>> On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 7:17:48 AM UTC-6, Codigo Postal wrote:
>>>
>>>> This thread is a great reminder of the days when Transformers sparked
>>> great discussions beyond "have you seen the latest toy?"
>>>
>>> I must be some kind of idiot, because I remember posts by
>>> The_Great_Cornholio, but for some reason I never made the connection
>>> that he was Skyflight.
>> The weird thing is that I lived in Columbus and regularly spent time in
>> person with Raksha, but I never met Skyflight, who also lived in Columbus at
>> the time. I may have actually found out he was a Columbus resident when news
>> of his death came out.
>>>
>>> Zob (got Legacy Minerva today, anybody seen her yet?)
>> Not in stores, no. But I haven't really checked since I was able to
>> order it on Pulse last week (and mine arrived this week).
>>
>> Raksha's been focusing more on her snakes and her Sloughis (she's on I
>> think the fourth generation of breeding them). She'll occasionally comment
>> on my facebook posts about Transformers, but is pretty much out of the
>> fandom.
>>
>> Dave Van Domelen, notes that Raksha as long had designs on moving to
>> Texas for warmer weather, but so far is still in Ohio and not loving this
>> time of year.
>
> Fascinating. I wonder why she left the fandom? It’s been enough time that
> hopefully all personal animosities and feuds have been long forgotten or
> laid to rest. It would be interesting to have her perspective on the
> developments in the franchise since she was actively involved, like the
> live-action movies, etc.
>

I barely remember her, but my impression was that Transformers wasn’t
making her happy. She hated everything new, had her own little space where
she thought the Decepticons were the good guys, still hated everything new…
Why would someone stick with that?

I hope her snakes are keeping her happy.

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My understanding is that Raksha's care and affection for the original characters, stories, and mythology hasn't wavered. She still references many of them on Facebook these days.

However, it was the state of the fandom circa the late 2000s - the decline and closure of TFDD, ATTCM, and other spaces, alongside the changing dichotomy of the media and fandom in general - that made her retreat inward a bit and cease active participation in things.

She's still around: just making use of time differently these days.

Here's the last message Raksha "officially" left the fandom via her website, back in Fall 2009:

==
Raksha's Decepticon Archive
"Archive" sounds so much better than "cobweb," don't you think? But the truth is, the old plumed-serpent.com site had turned into a cobw- er, archive, as I just didn't have the time to keep it updated. Add to that, I'm utterly and completely uninterested in any current incarnation of what passes for "Transformers" these days, be that a movie, cartoon, comics, or toys. I can't even be bothered to hate it - I simply don't care. (Although it must be said somewhere on this site, and it might as well be up-front: Beast Wars STILL sucks!) As a result, I am no longer active in the fandom. I had in mind, at some point, to bring out a last grand-finale issue of Con-Quest, and to finish up some of those long-scheduled fanfics. It may or may not still happen; I will make no promises. At this point in my life, I'm happily raising a multi-species menagerie, and am putting my energies into creating an independently self-sustaining home ecosystem. The Serpent has returned to the jungle, so to speak.
That's not to say that I don't retain my love of the Transformers universe - the real Transformers universe, which to my mind means G1, G2, and the Japanese series, with all of their accessory toys, comics, and artifacts. That's not to say that Megatron and Soundwave and the other great Decepticons, with their courage and uncompromising individuality, their fierce loyalties and grand passions, haven't continued to be a guiding force in my daily life. The Transformers universe is ultimately about the characters, more so than any material collectibles, and it's the characters who are the role models and inspirations to countless fans, both past and present. In that sense, it would be a shame to have all the works from the old web site lost to a passing era and a changing world: the Tribute to Soundwave, the Decepticon Leaders, the fanfic, the character profiles, the Con-Quest essays, the Mush logs (all those wonderful all-night role-playing sessions!), and even the Artifacts List, probably my most "bi-partisan" project.
So this is a re-launch, of sorts. Not everything from the old site is here; it's a pared-down and more focused version. I may add occasional links to TF-related items for sale, but otherwise the site will probably not be updated often, if at all. It will stand as an archive to the Decepticon cause, and to what I consider the best contributions and memories I have of my time in the TransFandom, intense and dazzling and triumphant and sometimes antagonizing as it was. Given the amount of misinformation, distortion, and even deliberate lies which apparently are still out there about me and my causes and advocacies, here is the original source material for comparative purposes. You may take it or leave it, you may make of it what you will, but it stands without apology. I learned it from Megatron many years ago, and it still defines my life: Forge your own path, and never, ever compromise yourself. And from Soundwave: trust in your own wisdom. Only you know what's right for you, and nobody can tell you otherwise.

From a place that is not a place
And a time where time has no meaning,

Update: Sept. 19, 2009

For all that I said I wouldn't be doing much updating here, the dusting-off of the old files has reactivated a creative neurocircuit or two. So I have added a newly-written story ("Sunburst") in the Fanfics section, and a couple of "new" Serpent's Eye reviews (one of which truly is new, and the other having been originally posted to the TF newsgroups some years ago, but never affixed to a permanent home on the web). There's also a Links page now, and a scattering of pictures to go with some stories and essays. Got some other ideas in the works, but their manifestation will depend on the available time and energy. For now, this is it....

==
JB

On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 3:28:17 PM UTC-8, Gustavo Wombat, of the Seattle Wombats wrote:
> Codigo Postal <codigop...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 2:10:35 PM UTC-4, Dave Van Domelen wrote:
> >> In article <e4bf6c06-02c8-4731...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> Zobovor <zm...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>> On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 7:17:48 AM UTC-6, Codigo Postal wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> This thread is a great reminder of the days when Transformers sparked
> >>> great dis
cussions beyond "have you seen the latest toy?"
> >>>
> >>> I must be some kind of idiot, because I remember posts by
> >>> The_Great_Cornholio, but for some reason I never made the connection
> >>> that he was Skyflight.
> >> The weird thing is that I lived in Columbus and regularly spent time in
> >> person with Raksha, but I never met Skyflight, who also lived in Columbus at
> >> the time. I may have actually found out he was a Columbus resident when news
> >> of his death came out.
> >>>
> >>> Zob (got Legacy Minerva today, anybody seen her yet?)
> >> Not in stores, no. But I haven't really checked since I was able to
> >> order it on Pulse last week (and mine arrived this week).
> >>
> >> Raksha's been focusing more on her snakes and her Sloughis (she's on I
> >> think the fourth generation of breeding them). She'll occasionally comment
> >> on my facebook posts about Transformers, but is pretty much out of the
> >> fandom.
> >>
> >> Dave Van Domelen, notes that Raksha as long had designs on moving to
> >> Texas for warmer weather, but so far is still in Ohio and not loving this
> >> time of year.
> >
> > Fascinating. I wonder why she left the fandom? It’s been enough time that
> > hopefully all personal animosities and feuds have been long forgotten or
> > laid to rest. It would be interesting to have her perspective on the
> > developments in the franchise since she was actively involved, like the
> > live-action movies, etc.
> >
> I barely remember her, but my impression was that Transformers wasn’t
> making her happy. She hated everything new, had her own little space where
> she thought the Decepticons were the good guys, still hated everything new…
> Why would someone stick with that?
>
> I hope her snakes are keeping her happy.

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On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 1:25:23 AM UTC-5, Joseph Bardsley wrote:
> My understanding is that Raksha's care and affection for the original characters, stories, and mythology hasn't wavered. She still references many of them on Facebook these days.
>
> However, it was the state of the fandom circa the late 2000s - the decline and closure of TFDD, ATTCM, and other spaces, alongside the changing dichotomy of the media and fandom in general - that made her retreat inward a bit and cease active participation in things.
>
> She's still around: just making use of time differently these days.
>
> Here's the last message Raksha "officially" left the fandom via her website, back in Fall 2009:
>
> ===
>
> Raksha's Decepticon Archive
> "Archive" sounds so much better than "cobweb," don't you think? But the truth is, the old plumed-serpent.com site had turned into a cobw- er, archive, as I just didn't have the time to keep it updated. Add to that, I'm utterly and completely uninterested in any current incarnation of what passes for "Transformers" these days, be that a movie, cartoon, comics, or toys. I can't even be bothered to hate it - I simply don't care. (Although it must be said somewhere on this site, and it might as well be up-front: Beast Wars STILL sucks!) As a result, I am no longer active in the fandom. I had in mind, at some point, to bring out a last grand-finale issue of Con-Quest, and to finish up some of those long-scheduled fanfics. It may or may not still happen; I will make no promises. At this point in my life, I'm happily raising a multi-species menagerie, and am putting my energies into creating an independently self-sustaining home ecosystem. The Serpent has returned to the jungle, so to speak.
> That's not to say that I don't retain my love of the Transformers universe - the real Transformers universe, which to my mind means G1, G2, and the Japanese series, with all of their accessory toys, comics, and artifacts. That's not to say that Megatron and Soundwave and the other great Decepticons, with their courage and uncompromising individuality, their fierce loyalties and grand passions, haven't continued to be a guiding force in my daily life. The Transformers universe is ultimately about the characters, more so than any material collectibles, and it's the characters who are the role models and inspirations to countless fans, both past and present. In that sense, it would be a shame to have all the works from the old web site lost to a passing era and a changing world: the Tribute to Soundwave, the Decepticon Leaders, the fanfic, the character profiles, the Con-Quest essays, the Mush logs (all those wonderful all-night role-playing sessions!), and even the Artifacts List, probably my most "bi-partisan" project.
> So this is a re-launch, of sorts. Not everything from the old site is here; it's a pared-down and more focused version. I may add occasional links to TF-related items for sale, but otherwise the site will probably not be updated often, if at all. It will stand as an archive to the Decepticon cause, and to what I consider the best contributions and memories I have of my time in the TransFandom, intense and dazzling and triumphant and sometimes antagonizing as it was. Given the amount of misinformation, distortion, and even deliberate lies which apparently are still out there about me and my causes and advocacies, here is the original source material for comparative purposes. You may take it or leave it, you may make of it what you will, but it stands without apology. I learned it from Megatron many years ago, and it still defines my life: Forge your own path, and never, ever compromise yourself. And from Soundwave: trust in your own wisdom. Only you know what's right for you, and nobody can tell you otherwise.
>
> From a place that is not a place
> And a time where time has no meaning,
>
>
> Update: Sept. 19, 2009
>
> For all that I said I wouldn't be doing much updating here, the dusting-off of the old files has reactivated a creative neurocircuit or two. So I have added a newly-written story ("Sunburst") in the Fanfics section, and a couple of "new" Serpent's Eye reviews (one of which truly is new, and the other having been originally posted to the TF newsgroups some years ago, but never affixed to a permanent home on the web). There's also a Links page now, and a scattering of pictures to go with some stories and essays. Got some other ideas in the works, but their manifestation will depend on the available time and energy. For now, this is it....
>
> ===
>
> JB

Thanks for the update Joseph! I remember some of her fanfics from back in the day - great stuff. Glad she seems to be doing well otherwise.

It's always interesting to see how some formerly hardcore/integral fans have moved on, while others remain current and invested in the franchise.

To paraphrase Churchill, "Never grow up! Never grow up! Never grow up!"

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