All,

I am looking for first contact stories where the ET (single or plural) observed us from the moon (to our knowledge, admitted or not) before making contact.

Any novel (not a short story)with that element in the storyline is welcome.

Thanks And Regards
Amicus

On 3/17/2022 9:49 PM, Amicus Brevis wrote:
> All,
>
> I am looking for first contact stories where the ET (single or plural) observed us from the moon (to our knowledge, admitted or not) before making contact.
>
> Any novel (not a short story)with that element in the storyline is welcome.
>
>
>
> Thanks And Regards
> Amicus

"Mutineer's Moon" by David Weber
https://www.amazon.com/Mutineers-Moon-Dahak-David-Weber/dp/0671720856/

"Perry Rhodan #1" by K.H., Scheer and Walter Ernsting
https://www.amazon.com/Enterprise-Stardust-Perry-Rhodan-Scheer/dp/B0007I83EU/

I've got a few more at the back of my mind.

Lynn

In article <t10tvr$95j$1@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 3/17/2022 9:49 PM, Amicus Brevis wrote:
>> All,
>>
>> I am looking for first contact stories where the ET (single or plural)
>observed us from the moon (to our knowledge, admitted or not) before
>making contact.
>>
>> Any novel (not a short story)with that element in the storyline is welcome.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks And Regards
>> Amicus
>
>"Mutineer's Moon" by David Weber
> https://www.amazon.com/Mutineers-Moon-Dahak-David-Weber/dp/0671720856/
>
>"Perry Rhodan #1" by K.H., Scheer and Walter Ernsting
>
>https://www.amazon.com/Enterprise-Stardust-Perry-Rhodan-Scheer/dp/B0007I83EU/
>
>I've got a few more at the back of my mind.
>
>Lynn

I think Burroughs did a mini-series where we were attacked from the moon.
That probably counts as some kind of first contact. (_The Moon Maid_ and
one or two others I think).

Probably the "Matthew Moony" YA novels.
--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..

Ted Nolan wrote:
> Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> Amicus Brevis wrote:
>>> All,
>>>
>>> I am looking for first contact stories where the ET (single or plural)
>>observed us from the moon (to our knowledge, admitted or not) before
>>making contact.
>>>
>>> Any novel (not a short story)with that element in the storyline is welcome.
>>
>>"Mutineer's Moon" by David Weber
>> https://www.amazon.com/Mutineers-Moon-Dahak-David-Weber/dp/0671720856/
>>
>>"Perry Rhodan #1" by K.H., Scheer and Walter Ernsting
>>
>>https://www.amazon.com/Enterprise-Stardust-Perry-Rhodan-Scheer/dp/B0007I83EU/
>>
>>I've got a few more at the back of my mind.
>
> I think Burroughs did a mini-series where we were attacked from the moon.
> That probably counts as some kind of first contact. (_The Moon Maid_ and
> one or two others I think).
>
> Probably the "Matthew Moony" YA novels.

Although the tip of my tongue senses stories suitable for the YASID, my
mind invariably circles back to Martian flavored Edisonaides. Perhaps
Amicus can find something apropos in:

https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/moon
https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/aliens

The aliens in Perry Rhodan (PR) are similar to those in _Somnium_
(Kepler) in regards to their observations of Earth. Both alien groups
seem to spend little, if any, time on Earth-centric look-sees.
PR's Commander Thora arguably has an unofficial, permanent, no
contact policy in place for barbarous Earth. Given how her ship's
slightly situated on the far side of the moon, can she even observe
Earth if she wanted to?

The Stardust had landed a scant sixty miles behind the lunar
south pole. The sun was visible as a crescent, just peeping
over the nearby lunar horizon.

Both PR and _The Moon is Hell_ (Campbell) originally captivated me,
enchanted me, with the notion of astronauts so close (in astronomical
terms) yet so far away (out of line-of-sight contact with the Earth).
Up to a half a dozen illustrations by Johnny Bruck appear in each
issue of the German Moewig PRs. Christian "naddy" Weisgerber warned us
earlier about how despite Bruck's best intentions, Bruck sometimes gets
things wrong. „Unternehmen „Stardust““ Nr. 1 contains one such example:

https://www.perrypedia.de/wiki/Datei:PR0001Illu_3.jpg

If Thora's ship's some sixty miles behind the lunar south pole,
the Earth's not visible.

_

Danke,

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On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 10:23:44 PM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 3/17/2022 9:49 PM, Amicus Brevis wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > I am looking for first contact stories where the ET (single or plural) observed us from the moon (to our knowledge, admitted or not) before making contact.
> >
> > Any novel (not a short story)with that element in the storyline is welcome.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks And Regards
> > Amicus
> "Mutineer's Moon" by David Weber
> https://www.amazon.com/Mutineers-Moon-Dahak-David-Weber/dp/0671720856/
>
> "Perry Rhodan #1" by K.H., Scheer and Walter Ernsting
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Enterprise-Stardust-Perry-Rhodan-Scheer/dp/B0007I83EU/
>
> I've got a few more at the back of my mind.
>
> Lynn

Thanks!

On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 11:19:48 PM UTC-5, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> In article <t10tvr$95j$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On 3/17/2022 9:49 PM, Amicus Brevis wrote:
> >> All,
> >>
> >> I am looking for first contact stories where the ET (single or plural)
> >observed us from the moon (to our knowledge, admitted or not) before
> >making contact.
> >>
> >> Any novel (not a short story)with that element in the storyline is welcome.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks And Regards
> >> Amicus
> >
> >"Mutineer's Moon" by David Weber
> > https://www.amazon.com/Mutineers-Moon-Dahak-David-Weber/dp/0671720856/
> >
> >"Perry Rhodan #1" by K.H., Scheer and Walter Ernsting
> >
> >https://www.amazon.com/Enterprise-Stardust-Perry-Rhodan-Scheer/dp/B0007I83EU/
> >
> >I've got a few more at the back of my mind.
> >
> >Lynn
> I think Burroughs did a mini-series where we were attacked from the moon.
> That probably counts as some kind of first contact. (_The Moon Maid_ and
> one or two others I think).
>
> Probably the "Matthew Moony" YA novels.
> --
> columbiaclosings.com
> What's not in Columbia anymore..

Thanks. I think I read these Burroughs novels eons ago.

Regards

On 2022 Mar 17, Amicus Brevis wrote
(in article<3a05bdc1-9cab-482a-8ed9-957c766ab7d3n@googlegroups.com>):

> All,
>
> I am looking for first contact stories where the ET (single or plural)
> observed us from the moon (to our knowledge, admitted or not) before making
> contact.
>
> Any novel (not a short story)with that element in the storyline is welcome.
>
> Thanks And Regards
> Amicus

In addition to those mentioned by others, there’s Asimov’s “The Gentle
Vultures”. A group of small primates (not quite monkeys) set up on the
Moon, watching, waiting for the latest group of large primates (not quite
apes) that they’ve found to start throwing nukes at each other. In the
monkeys’ experience, and they have a _lot_ of experience, large primates
are extremely violent, and always do something silly with nukes.

Except that this new set of large primates _doesn’t_. The small primates
grab a spoecimen to try to find out why. And that’s where the fun begins.

Note this this was a very rare Asimov story which featured non-human
intelligences.

On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 10:49:29 PM UTC-4, Amicus Brevis wrote:
> All,
>
> I am looking for first contact stories where the ET (single or plural) observed us from the moon (to our knowledge, admitted or not) before making contact.
>
> Any novel (not a short story)with that element in the storyline is welcome.

The aliens in Lloyd Biggle's "All the colors of darkness" had a lunar base.

But spell colour as I do and you have an excellent novel about Yorkshire detectives, who do not.

William Hyde

In article <0dc43cb3-3b63-49c1-a437-b777a813008fn@googlegroups.com>,
Amicus Brevis <stafford.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 11:19:48 PM UTC-5, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
>> In article <t10tvr$95j$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On 3/17/2022 9:49 PM, Amicus Brevis wrote:
>> >> All,
>> >>
>> >> I am looking for first contact stories where the ET (single or plural)
>> >observed us from the moon (to our knowledge, admitted or not) before
>> >making contact.
>> >>
>> >> Any novel (not a short story)with that element in the storyline is
>welcome.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thanks And Regards
>> >> Amicus
>> >
>> >"Mutineer's Moon" by David Weber
>> > https://www.amazon.com/Mutineers-Moon-Dahak-David-Weber/dp/0671720856/
>> >
>> >"Perry Rhodan #1" by K.H., Scheer and Walter Ernsting
>> >
>>
>>https://www.amazon.com/Enterprise-Stardust-Perry-Rhodan-Scheer/dp/B0007I83EU/
>
>> >
>> >I've got a few more at the back of my mind.
>> >
>> >Lynn
>> I think Burroughs did a mini-series where we were attacked from the moon.
>> That probably counts as some kind of first contact. (_The Moon Maid_ and
>> one or two others I think).
>>
>> Probably the "Matthew Moony" YA novels.
>> --
>> columbiaclosings.com
>> What's not in Columbia anymore..
>
>Thanks. I think I read these Burroughs novels eons ago.
>
>Regards
>

Not responsive to your original request for novels, but I couldn't help
being reminded of the sadly departed "Rocket Hat" from "Basic Instructions"

http://www.basicinstructions.net/basic-instructions/2017/6/13/how-to-repel-the-inevitable-invasion-of-the-moon-men
--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..

On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 3:32:37 PM UTC-5, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> In article <0dc43cb3-3b63-49c1...@googlegroups.com>,
> Amicus Brevis <staffor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 11:19:48 PM UTC-5, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> >> In article <t10tvr$95j$1...@dont-email.me>,
> >> Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On 3/17/2022 9:49 PM, Amicus Brevis wrote:
> >> >> All,
> >> >>
> >> >> I am looking for first contact stories where the ET (single or plural)
> >> >observed us from the moon (to our knowledge, admitted or not) before
> >> >making contact.
> >> >>
> >> >> Any novel (not a short story)with that element in the storyline is
> >welcome.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks And Regards
> >> >> Amicus
> >> >
> >> >"Mutineer's Moon" by David Weber
> >> > https://www.amazon.com/Mutineers-Moon-Dahak-David-Weber/dp/0671720856/
> >> >
> >> >"Perry Rhodan #1" by K.H., Scheer and Walter Ernsting
> >> >
> >>
> >>https://www.amazon.com/Enterprise-Stardust-Perry-Rhodan-Scheer/dp/B0007I83EU/
> >
> >> >
> >> >I've got a few more at the back of my mind.
> >> >
> >> >Lynn
> >> I think Burroughs did a mini-series where we were attacked from the moon.
> >> That probably counts as some kind of first contact. (_The Moon Maid_ and
> >> one or two others I think).
> >>
> >> Probably the "Matthew Moony" YA novels.
> >> --
> >> columbiaclosings.com
> >> What's not in Columbia anymore..
> >
> >Thanks. I think I read these Burroughs novels eons ago.
> >
> >Regards
> >
> Not responsive to your original request for novels, but I couldn't help
> being reminded of the sadly departed "Rocket Hat" from "Basic Instructions"
>
> http://www.basicinstructions.net/basic-instructions/2017/6/13/how-to-repel-the-inevitable-invasion-of-the-moon-men
> --
> columbiaclosings.com
> What's not in Columbia anymore..

Thanks!

On 18/03/2022 14.45, William Hyde wrote:
> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 10:49:29 PM UTC-4, Amicus Brevis wrote:
>> All,
>>
>> I am looking for first contact stories where the ET (single or plural) observed us from the moon (to our knowledge, admitted or not) before making contact.
>>
>> Any novel (not a short story)with that element in the storyline is welcome.
>
> The aliens in Lloyd Biggle's "All the colors of darkness" had a lunar base.
>
> But spell colour as I do and you have an excellent novel about Yorkshire detectives, who do not.

Funny. My copy of the Biggle has the gratuitous "u":

<http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?145931>

--
Michael F. Stemper
Always use apostrophe's and "quotation marks" properly.

On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 02:49:29 UTC, Amicus Brevis wrote:
> All,
>
> I am looking for first contact stories where the ET (single or plural) observed us from the moon (to our knowledge, admitted or not) before making contact.
>
> Any novel (not a short story)with that element in the storyline is welcome.

A novel... would episodes in the "B.C." comic strip
count? It's long enough.

I think there /was/ a short story where alien geologists -
for want of a better word - read Earth magazine science
fiction in their spare time, and tried to interest the editor
in publishing their diaries. It was epistolary (mostly).

"The Watcher" in Marvel Comics is a lone alien whose
species observes many planets without intervening...
except when they do. He lives on Earth's moon, but
he can materialise on Earth for a closer look.

Star Trek novel _Prime Directive_ portrays an alien
planet which Federation historians are observing
from a base on its moon. It's on the brink of nuclear
war and they are curious to see what happens.

TV show Earth: Final Conflict_ is about recently arrived
friendly aliens and things they're doing that Earth people
don't know about, and this includes having a large
moon base.

And of course
<https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/216956.Somebody_Else_Is_On_The_Moon>
a.k.a. _Someone Else Is On Our Moon_. Punchier?
<http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?115349>

On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 19:49:27 -0700 (PDT), Amicus Brevis
<stafford.martin@gmail.com> wrote:

>All,
>
>I am looking for first contact stories where the ET (single or plural) observed us from the moon (to our knowledge, admitted or not) before making contact.
>
>Any novel (not a short story)with that element in the storyline is welcome.

It wasn't from the Moon, but "The War of the Worlds" (HG Wells, 1898)
opens with: "No one would have believed in the last years of the
nineteenth century that this world was being watched keenly and
closely by intelligences greater than man's and yet as mortal as his
own"

On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 9:49:29 PM UTC-5, Amicus Brevis wrote:
> All,
>
> I am looking for first contact stories where the ET (single or plural) observed us from the moon (to our knowledge, admitted or not) before making contact.
>
> Any novel (not a short story)with that element in the storyline is welcome.
>
>
>
> Thanks And Regards
> Amicus
The Lathe of Heaven by Ursula K. Le Guin.

On 2022-03-19, Michael F. Stemper <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 18/03/2022 14.45, William Hyde wrote:
>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 10:49:29 PM UTC-4, Amicus Brevis wrote:
>>> All,
>>>
>>> I am looking for first contact stories where the ET (single or plural) observed us from the moon (to our knowledge, admitted or not) before making contact.
>>>
>>> Any novel (not a short story)with that element in the storyline is welcome.
>>
>> The aliens in Lloyd Biggle's "All the colors of darkness" had a lunar base.
>>
>> But spell colour as I do and you have an excellent novel about Yorkshire detectives, who do not.
>
> Funny. My copy of the Biggle has the gratuitous "u":
><http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?145931>

Hmmm... They evidently changed it for your later British edition. My
American paperback copy (of the Biggle, not the Robinson) was printed
in March, 1965 and is "All the Colors of Darkness" as is the original
hardcover edition.

Note that the Robinson book is also available both with and without the 'u'.

Chris

On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:49:29 AM UTC, Amicus Brevis wrote:
> All,
>
> I am looking for first contact stories where the ET (single or plural) observed us from the moon (to our knowledge, admitted or not) before making contact.
>
> Any novel (not a short story)with that element in the storyline is welcome.
>
>
>
> Thanks And Regards
> Amicus
Part of the final Skylark book, Skylark DuQuesne, involves a secret visit of the Jelm (athletic build, but otherwise physically indistinguishable from humans), who establish a moon base largely for purposes other than observation, but do a little observation and sociology while they are there. Since the Jelm don't have a nudity taboo and don't understand human mores, they abduct a stripper and a non-creepy audience member to interview them, later compensating them with diamonds, which they can make with trivial ease. This apparent irrelevance to the larger plot turns out to be a non-coincidence, with the connection a form of magic which is rapidly being codified into a science.

I would expect you to find the Skylark series hugely entertaining, if you can stomach the fact that it was started in a time and culture now more alien to us than the alien characters in some modern science fiction (who may happen to comply with the principles of correct behaviour just established in progressive colleges and universities, if the writer is so inclined). Marc C. DuQuesne, PhD, is one of the great characters of Science Fiction, evolving from a villain with a few redeeming characteristics to the saviour of humanity, while still being honest to his fundamental nature - arrogant and amoral. He is reflected (as a somewhat less antisocial version) in Ryk E Spoor's Grand Central Arena series.

On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 4:21:36 PM UTC-5, mcdow...@sky.com wrote:
> On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:49:29 AM UTC, Amicus Brevis wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > I am looking for first contact stories where the ET (single or plural) observed us from the moon (to our knowledge, admitted or not) before making contact.
> >
> > Any novel (not a short story)with that element in the storyline is welcome.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks And Regards
> > Amicus
> Part of the final Skylark book, Skylark DuQuesne, involves a secret visit of the Jelm (athletic build, but otherwise physically indistinguishable from humans), who establish a moon base largely for purposes other than observation, but do a little observation and sociology while they are there. Since the Jelm don't have a nudity taboo and don't understand human mores, they abduct a stripper and a non-creepy audience member to interview them, later compensating them with diamonds, which they can make with trivial ease. This apparent irrelevance to the larger plot turns out to be a non-coincidence, with the connection a form of magic which is rapidly being codified into a science.
>
> I would expect you to find the Skylark series hugely entertaining, if you can stomach the fact that it was started in a time and culture now more alien to us than the alien characters in some modern science fiction (who may happen to comply with the principles of correct behaviour just established in progressive colleges and universities, if the writer is so inclined). Marc C. DuQuesne, PhD, is one of the great characters of Science Fiction, evolving from a villain with a few redeeming characteristics to the saviour of humanity, while still being honest to his fundamental nature - arrogant and amoral. He is reflected (as a somewhat less antisocial version) in Ryk E Spoor's Grand Central Arena series.

Thanks!

I have _Grand Central Arena_ on my reading list for next month. I will add the _Skylark_ series.

Regards

On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 15:16:25 -0400, Wolffan wrote:
>
> In addition to those mentioned by others, there’s Asimov’s “The Gentle
> Vultures”. A group of small primates (not quite monkeys) set up on the
> Moon, watching, waiting for the latest group of large primates (not
> quite apes) that they’ve found to start throwing nukes at each other. In
> the monkeys’ experience, and they have a _lot_ of experience, large
> primates are extremely violent, and always do something silly with
> nukes.
>
> Except that this new set of large primates _doesn’t_. The small primates
> grab a spoecimen to try to find out why. And that’s where the fun
> begins.
>
> Note this this was a very rare Asimov story which featured non-human
> intelligences.

But it does seem to have an amusing bit of self-reference.
He named the smart primates the Hurrians. The premise of
"The Foundation" is that the ending of a dark age could be
accelerated.

On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 07:08:02 GMT, Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org>
wrote:

>On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 15:16:25 -0400, Wolffan wrote:
>>
>> In addition to those mentioned by others, there’s Asimov’s “The Gentle
>> Vultures”. A group of small primates (not quite monkeys) set up on the
>> Moon, watching, waiting for the latest group of large primates (not
>> quite apes) that they’ve found to start throwing nukes at each other. In
>> the monkeys’ experience, and they have a _lot_ of experience, large
>> primates are extremely violent, and always do something silly with
>> nukes.
>>
>> Except that this new set of large primates _doesn’t_. The small primates
>> grab a spoecimen to try to find out why. And that’s where the fun
>> begins.
>>
>> Note this this was a very rare Asimov story which featured non-human
>> intelligences.
>
>
>But it does seem to have an amusing bit of self-reference.
>He named the smart primates the Hurrians. The premise of
>"The Foundation" is that the ending of a dark age could be
>accelerated.

I had not heard of this story before but it sounded interesting so I
searched about. Here you go:

https://www.you-books.com/book/I-Asimov/The-Gentle-Vultures

On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 1:42:20 PM UTC-5, Butch Malahide wrote:
> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 9:49:29 PM UTC-5, Amicus Brevis wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > I am looking for first contact stories where the ET (single or plural) observed us from the moon (to our knowledge, admitted or not) before making contact.
> >
> > Any novel (not a short story)with that element in the storyline is welcome.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks And Regards
> > Amicus
> The Lathe of Heaven by Ursula K. Le Guin.

Thanks!