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* Russia Doesn't Spare FrederickLouis Epstein
`* Re: Russia Doesn't Spare FrederickTrolidan7
 `* Re: Russia Doesn't Spare FrederickRobert Woodward
  `- Re: Russia Doesn't Spare FrederickTrolidan7

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Russia Doesn't Spare Frederick

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From: le...@top.put.com (Louis Epstein)
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Subject: Russia Doesn't Spare Frederick
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 01:07:35 -0000 (UTC)
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 by: Louis Epstein - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 01:07 UTC

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_House_of_Brandenburg

If Empress Elizabeth of Russia doesn't die in 1762...
or her generals are more aggressive in 1759...Poland and
the Holy Roman Empire might have quite different fates,
with Brandenburg/Prussia significantly less dominant and
the Russian share of Poland enlarged and Austrian position
in Germany strengthened.

Thoughts?

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From: Trolid...@eternal-september.org (Trolidan7)
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 by: Trolidan7 - Sat, 23 Apr 2022 17:30 UTC

On 4/21/22 6:07 PM, Louis Epstein wrote:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_House_of_Brandenburg
>
> If Empress Elizabeth of Russia doesn't die in 1762...
> or her generals are more aggressive in 1759...Poland and
> the Holy Roman Empire might have quite different fates,
> with Brandenburg/Prussia significantly less dominant and
> the Russian share of Poland enlarged and Austrian position
> in Germany strengthened.
>
> Thoughts?

No American Revolution because France is still a significant
power in North America?

(Would the point of departure from our time line need to
be a little bit before that to be more likely?)

Would Shah Alam II still be blinded in this time line?

What would be happening in France in the late 1700s and
early 1800s?

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From: rober...@drizzle.com (Robert Woodward)
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Subject: Re: Russia Doesn't Spare Frederick
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 by: Robert Woodward - Sun, 24 Apr 2022 04:50 UTC

In article <t41d3p$eh$1@dont-email.me>,
Trolidan7 <Trolidan7@eternal-september.org> wrote:

> On 4/21/22 6:07 PM, Louis Epstein wrote:
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_House_of_Brandenburg
> >
> > If Empress Elizabeth of Russia doesn't die in 1762...
> > or her generals are more aggressive in 1759...Poland and
> > the Holy Roman Empire might have quite different fates,
> > with Brandenburg/Prussia significantly less dominant and
> > the Russian share of Poland enlarged and Austrian position
> > in Germany strengthened.
> >
> > Thoughts?
>
> No American Revolution because France is still a significant
> power in North America?
>

Why would that follow? Wolfe was already besieging Quebec City on August
12, 1759 and, what with communication times, what would stop British
victory on September 13? No matter what happens to Prussia, I don't see
the French having much leverage to regain its losses in North America
and India.

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"We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_.
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Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

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 by: Trolidan7 - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 20:00 UTC

On 4/23/22 9:50 PM, Robert Woodward wrote:
> In article <t41d3p$eh$1@dont-email.me>,
> Trolidan7 <Trolidan7@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>
>> On 4/21/22 6:07 PM, Louis Epstein wrote:
>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_House_of_Brandenburg
>> >
>> > If Empress Elizabeth of Russia doesn't die in 1762...
>> > or her generals are more aggressive in 1759...Poland and
>> > the Holy Roman Empire might have quite different fates,
>> > with Brandenburg/Prussia significantly less dominant and
>> > the Russian share of Poland enlarged and Austrian position
>> > in Germany strengthened.
>> >
>> > Thoughts?
>>
>> No American Revolution because France is still a significant
>> power in North America?
>>
>
> Why would that follow? Wolfe was already besieging Quebec City on August
> 12, 1759 and, what with communication times, what would stop British
> victory on September 13? No matter what happens to Prussia, I don't see
> the French having much leverage to regain its losses in North America
> and India.

Perhaps a bit earlier than that would be needed.

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