"A 1986 dystopian Russian novel basically predicted Vladimir Putin"
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/a-1986-dystopian-russian-novel-basically-predicted-vladimir-putin/ar-AAVjwxz

"In 1986, near the end of the Soviet Union, a Russian satirical novelist
tried to imagine the future of his homeland. He envisioned a head of
state who had risen through the ranks of the KGB, used a war to cement
his power, elevated his former security colleagues into positions of
influence, claimed to derive authority from the Russian Orthodox Church
and ruled Russia for decades."

"In other words, he predicted Vladimir Putin."

"The writer was Vladimir Voinovich, and his novel was “Moscow 2042,” a
dystopic satire about a man who takes a journey into the next century."

Looks like I missed this book.

Hat tip to:
https://drudgereport.com/

Lynn

In article <t1bg6n$ql4$1@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>"A 1986 dystopian Russian novel basically predicted Vladimir Putin"
>
>https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/a-1986-dystopian-russian-novel-basically-predicted-vladimir-putin/ar-AAVjwxz
>
>"In 1986, near the end of the Soviet Union, a Russian satirical novelist
>tried to imagine the future of his homeland. He envisioned a head of
>state who had risen through the ranks of the KGB, used a war to cement
>his power, elevated his former security colleagues into positions of
>influence, claimed to derive authority from the Russian Orthodox Church
>and ruled Russia for decades."
>
>"In other words, he predicted Vladimir Putin."
>
>"The writer was Vladimir Voinovich, and his novel was “Moscow 2042,” a
>dystopic satire about a man who takes a journey into the next century."
>
>Looks like I missed this book.
>
>Hat tip to:
> https://drudgereport.com/
>
>Lynn

Well, yeah, hindsight. I'm sure there were lots of 1986 Russian novels
that predicted a lot of things. I mean, there was a Heinlein novel that
predicted the cellphone, and one that predicted that travel would be via
100mph moving sidewalks.
--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..

On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 9:35:55 PM UTC-6, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> "A 1986 dystopian Russian novel basically predicted Vladimir Putin"
>
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/a-1986-dystopian-russian-novel-basically-predicted-vladimir-putin/ar-AAVjwxz
>
> "In 1986, near the end of the Soviet Union, a Russian satirical novelist
> tried to imagine the future of his homeland. He envisioned a head of
> state who had risen through the ranks of the KGB, used a war to cement
> his power, elevated his former security colleagues into positions of
> influence, claimed to derive authority from the Russian Orthodox Church
> and ruled Russia for decades."
>
> "In other words, he predicted Vladimir Putin."
>
> "The writer was Vladimir Voinovich, and his novel was “Moscow 2042,” a
> dystopic satire about a man who takes a journey into the next century."
>
> Looks like I missed this book.
>
> Hat tip to:
> https://drudgereport.com/

I recall some SF novel about an American president who has an accident or something so he is brain dead, but they hook him up to a computer. So it's only partly predictive.

Ted Nolan <tednolan> <ted@loft.tnolan.com> schrieb:
> In article <t1bg6n$ql4$1@dont-email.me>,
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>"A 1986 dystopian Russian novel basically predicted Vladimir Putin"
>>
>>https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/a-1986-dystopian-russian-novel-basically-predicted-vladimir-putin/ar-AAVjwxz
>>
>>"In 1986, near the end of the Soviet Union, a Russian satirical novelist
>>tried to imagine the future of his homeland. He envisioned a head of
>>state who had risen through the ranks of the KGB, used a war to cement
>>his power, elevated his former security colleagues into positions of
>>influence, claimed to derive authority from the Russian Orthodox Church
>>and ruled Russia for decades."
>>
>>"In other words, he predicted Vladimir Putin."
>>
>>"The writer was Vladimir Voinovich, and his novel was “Moscow 2042,” a
>>dystopic satire about a man who takes a journey into the next century."
>>
>>Looks like I missed this book.
>>
>>Hat tip to:
>> https://drudgereport.com/
>>
>>Lynn
>
> Well, yeah, hindsight. I'm sure there were lots of 1986 Russian novels
> that predicted a lot of things. I mean, there was a Heinlein novel that
> predicted the cellphone,

Which one, and when? Cellphones seem notably absent from a lot
of SF. Even "Neuromancer", from 1984, has phone booths and
no mobile phones, after the first mobile phone came on the
market.

Then there's Asimov predicting that Mount Everest would never
be climbed. The story was released after the first successful
ascent.

So much for predicting the past in SF...

>and one that predicted that travel would be via
> 100mph moving sidewalks.

Did Asimov get that idea from Heinlein for "Caves of Steel"?

In article <t1d2tg$o4v$5@newsreader4.netcologne.de>,
Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:
>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <ted@loft.tnolan.com> schrieb:
>> In article <t1bg6n$ql4$1@dont-email.me>,
>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>"A 1986 dystopian Russian novel basically predicted Vladimir Putin"
>>>
>>>https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/a-1986-dystopian-russian-novel-basically-predicted-vladimir-putin/ar-AAVjwxz
>>>
>>>"In 1986, near the end of the Soviet Union, a Russian satirical novelist
>>>tried to imagine the future of his homeland. He envisioned a head of
>>>state who had risen through the ranks of the KGB, used a war to cement
>>>his power, elevated his former security colleagues into positions of
>>>influence, claimed to derive authority from the Russian Orthodox Church
>>>and ruled Russia for decades."
>>>
>>>"In other words, he predicted Vladimir Putin."
>>>
>>>"The writer was Vladimir Voinovich, and his novel was “Moscow 2042,” a
>>>dystopic satire about a man who takes a journey into the next century."
>>>
>>>Looks like I missed this book.
>>>
>>>Hat tip to:
>>> https://drudgereport.com/
>>>
>>>Lynn
>>
>> Well, yeah, hindsight. I'm sure there were lots of 1986 Russian novels
>> that predicted a lot of things. I mean, there was a Heinlein novel that
>> predicted the cellphone,
>
>Which one, and when? Cellphones seem notably absent from a lot
>of SF. Even "Neuromancer", from 1984, has phone booths and
>no mobile phones, after the first mobile phone came on the
>market.
>

That was _Space Cadet_. And it's a pure voice device, no text or smarts.

>Then there's Asimov predicting that Mount Everest would never
>be climbed. The story was released after the first successful
>ascent.
>
>So much for predicting the past in SF...
>
>>and one that predicted that travel would be via
>> 100mph moving sidewalks.
>
>Did Asimov get that idea from Heinlein for "Caves of Steel"?

I don't know, but my (fading) memory is that the tech in "The Roads
Must Roll" was more outdoorsy and long distance.
--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..

In article <t1d2tg$o4v$5@newsreader4.netcologne.de>,
Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:
>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <ted@loft.tnolan.com> schrieb:
>> In article <t1bg6n$ql4$1@dont-email.me>,
>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>"A 1986 dystopian Russian novel basically predicted Vladimir Putin"
>>>
>>>https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/a-1986-dystopian-russian-novel-basically-predicted-vladimir-putin/ar-AAVjwxz
>>>
>>>"In 1986, near the end of the Soviet Union, a Russian satirical novelist
>>>tried to imagine the future of his homeland. He envisioned a head of
>>>state who had risen through the ranks of the KGB, used a war to cement
>>>his power, elevated his former security colleagues into positions of
>>>influence, claimed to derive authority from the Russian Orthodox Church
>>>and ruled Russia for decades."
>>>
>>>"In other words, he predicted Vladimir Putin."
>>>
>>>"The writer was Vladimir Voinovich, and his novel was “Moscow 2042,” a
>>>dystopic satire about a man who takes a journey into the next century."
>>>
>>>Looks like I missed this book.
>>>
>>>Hat tip to:
>>> https://drudgereport.com/
>>>
>>>Lynn
>>
>> Well, yeah, hindsight. I'm sure there were lots of 1986 Russian novels
>> that predicted a lot of things. I mean, there was a Heinlein novel that
>> predicted the cellphone,
>
>Which one, and when? Cellphones seem notably absent from a lot
>of SF. Even "Neuromancer", from 1984, has phone booths and
>no mobile phones, after the first mobile phone came on the
>market.

_Space Cadet,_ early '50s. The cadet-applicants are waiting for
transport to the Academy, and one of them gets a nervous parental
call, is he all right, is he taking care of himself? much to his
embarrassment. Another cadet tells him he should've packed his
phone deep in his baggage.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

On 3/22/2022 11:05 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> In article <t1d2tg$o4v$5@newsreader4.netcologne.de>,
> Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:
>> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <ted@loft.tnolan.com> schrieb:
>>> In article <t1bg6n$ql4$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "A 1986 dystopian Russian novel basically predicted Vladimir Putin"
>>>>
>>>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/a-1986-dystopian-russian-novel-basically-predicted-vladimir-putin/ar-AAVjwxz
>>>>
>>>> "In 1986, near the end of the Soviet Union, a Russian satirical novelist
>>>> tried to imagine the future of his homeland. He envisioned a head of
>>>> state who had risen through the ranks of the KGB, used a war to cement
>>>> his power, elevated his former security colleagues into positions of
>>>> influence, claimed to derive authority from the Russian Orthodox Church
>>>> and ruled Russia for decades."
>>>>
>>>> "In other words, he predicted Vladimir Putin."
>>>>
>>>> "The writer was Vladimir Voinovich, and his novel was “Moscow 2042,” a
>>>> dystopic satire about a man who takes a journey into the next century."
>>>>
>>>> Looks like I missed this book.
>>>>
>>>> Hat tip to:
>>>> https://drudgereport.com/
>>>>
>>>> Lynn
>>>
>>> Well, yeah, hindsight. I'm sure there were lots of 1986 Russian novels
>>> that predicted a lot of things. I mean, there was a Heinlein novel that
>>> predicted the cellphone,
>>
>> Which one, and when? Cellphones seem notably absent from a lot
>> of SF. Even "Neuromancer", from 1984, has phone booths and
>> no mobile phones, after the first mobile phone came on the
>> market.
>>
>
> That was _Space Cadet_. And it's a pure voice device, no text or smarts.
>
>> Then there's Asimov predicting that Mount Everest would never
>> be climbed. The story was released after the first successful
>> ascent.
>>
>> So much for predicting the past in SF...
>>
>>> and one that predicted that travel would be via
>>> 100mph moving sidewalks.
>>
>> Did Asimov get that idea from Heinlein for "Caves of Steel"?
>
> I don't know, but my (fading) memory is that the tech in "The Roads
> Must Roll" was more outdoorsy and long distance.

That's one way to put it. It was basically the Interstate Highway
System of that world.

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

On 2022-03-22, Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:

>> I mean, there was a Heinlein novel that predicted the cellphone,
>
> Which one, and when?

_Space Cadet_, 1948. It's on the first three pages:

"Say, you're phone is sounding."
"Oh!" Matt fumbled in his pouch and got out his phone. "Hello?"
"That you, son?" came his father's voice.
[...]
Tex Jarman looked at him understandingly. "Your folks always worry,
don't they? I fooled mine--packed my phone in my bag."

--
Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de

djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
news:r95u4y.JLJ@kithrup.com:

> In article <t1d2tg$o4v$5@newsreader4.netcologne.de>,
> Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:
>>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <ted@loft.tnolan.com> schrieb:
>>> In article <t1bg6n$ql4$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>"A 1986 dystopian Russian novel basically predicted Vladimir
>>>>Putin"
>>>>
>>>>https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/a-1986-dystopian-russian-n
>>>>ovel-basically-predicted-vladimir-putin/ar-AAVjwxz
>>>>
>>>>"In 1986, near the end of the Soviet Union, a Russian
>>>>satirical novelist tried to imagine the future of his
>>>>homeland. He envisioned a head of state who had risen through
>>>>the ranks of the KGB, used a war to cement his power, elevated
>>>>his former security colleagues into positions of influence,
>>>>claimed to derive authority from the Russian Orthodox Church
>>>>and ruled Russia for decades."
>>>>
>>>>"In other words, he predicted Vladimir Putin."
>>>>
>>>>"The writer was Vladimir Voinovich, and his novel was
>>>>“Moscow 2042,” a dystopic satire about a man who takes a
>>>>journey into the next century."
>>>>
>>>>Looks like I missed this book.
>>>>
>>>>Hat tip to:
>>>> https://drudgereport.com/
>>>>
>>>>Lynn
>>>
>>> Well, yeah, hindsight. I'm sure there were lots of 1986
>>> Russian novels that predicted a lot of things. I mean, there
>>> was a Heinlein novel that predicted the cellphone,
>>
>>Which one, and when? Cellphones seem notably absent from a lot
>>of SF. Even "Neuromancer", from 1984, has phone booths and
>>no mobile phones, after the first mobile phone came on the
>>market.
>
> _Space Cadet,_ early '50s. The cadet-applicants are waiting for
> transport to the Academy, and one of them gets a nervous
> parental call, is he all right, is he taking care of himself?
> much to his embarrassment. Another cadet tells him he should've
> packed his phone deep in his baggage.
>
The most famous prediction of cell phones is, of course, Star Trek.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> schrieb:
> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
> news:r95u4y.JLJ@kithrup.com:
>
>> In article <t1d2tg$o4v$5@newsreader4.netcologne.de>,
>> Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:

>>>Which one, and when? Cellphones seem notably absent from a lot
>>>of SF. Even "Neuromancer", from 1984, has phone booths and
>>>no mobile phones, after the first mobile phone came on the
>>>market.
>>
>> _Space Cadet,_ early '50s. The cadet-applicants are waiting for
>> transport to the Academy, and one of them gets a nervous
>> parental call, is he all right, is he taking care of himself?
>> much to his embarrassment. Another cadet tells him he should've
>> packed his phone deep in his baggage.

That is nothing if not prescient (or an extrapolation of normal
human behavior in the presence of new technology).

Then again, there is the comic that _really_ predicted modern
times, which can be seen at

https://oneandroid.net/the-100-year-old-comic-that-predicted-everything-bad-about-mobiles/

> The most famous prediction of cell phones is, of course, Star Trek.

In a way, it was the other way around - I once read that the main
engineer wanted to create something like Star Trek's communicators.

On Tuesday, 22 March 2022 at 03:54:50 UTC, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> In article <t1bg6n$ql4$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >"A 1986 dystopian Russian novel basically predicted Vladimir Putin"
> >
> >https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/a-1986-dystopian-russian-novel-basically-predicted-vladimir-putin/ar-AAVjwxz
> >
> >"In 1986, near the end of the Soviet Union, a Russian satirical novelist
> >tried to imagine the future of his homeland. He envisioned a head of
> >state who had risen through the ranks of the KGB, used a war to cement
> >his power, elevated his former security colleagues into positions of
> >influence, claimed to derive authority from the Russian Orthodox Church
> >and ruled Russia for decades."
> >
> >"In other words, he predicted Vladimir Putin."
> >
> >"The writer was Vladimir Voinovich, and his novel was “Moscow 2042,” a
> >dystopic satire about a man who takes a journey into the next century."
> >
> >Looks like I missed this book.
> >
> >Hat tip to:
> > https://drudgereport.com/
> >
> >Lynn
> Well, yeah, hindsight. I'm sure there were lots of 1986 Russian novels
> that predicted a lot of things. I mean, there was a Heinlein novel that
> predicted the cellphone, and one that predicted that travel would be via
> 100mph moving sidewalks.

We've got "Hyperloop"...

....which is in Arthur C. Clarke's "Rescue Party" and
possibly in E. M. Forster's "The Machine Stops".

On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 13:30:28 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
<taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:

>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>news:r95u4y.JLJ@kithrup.com:
>
>> In article <t1d2tg$o4v$5@newsreader4.netcologne.de>,
>> Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:
>>>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <ted@loft.tnolan.com> schrieb:
>>>> In article <t1bg6n$ql4$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>"A 1986 dystopian Russian novel basically predicted Vladimir
>>>>>Putin"
>>>>>
>>>>>https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/a-1986-dystopian-russian-n
>>>>>ovel-basically-predicted-vladimir-putin/ar-AAVjwxz
>>>Which one, and when? Cellphones seem notably absent from a lot
>>>of SF. Even "Neuromancer", from 1984, has phone booths and
>>>no mobile phones, after the first mobile phone came on the
>>>market.

OK so I'm not crazy or demented. THought I remembered that.

Of course there was always Dick Tracy's (40s era?) Two Way Wrist Radio
- I stopped reading when they killed off the Moon Maid
>> _Space Cadet,_ early '50s. The cadet-applicants are waiting for
>> transport to the Academy, and one of them gets a nervous
>> parental call, is he all right, is he taking care of himself?
>> much to his embarrassment. Another cadet tells him he should've
>> packed his phone deep in his baggage.
>>
>The most famous prediction of cell phones is, of course, Star Trek.

Well yes and no - I'm pretty sure the ST communicator worked from
Earth orbit to ground and no towers were involved no?

On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 2:01:24 PM UTC-4, Thomas Koenig wrote:
> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <t...@loft.tnolan.com> schrieb:
> > In article <t1bg6n$ql4$1...@dont-email.me>,
> > Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>"A 1986 dystopian Russian novel basically predicted Vladimir Putin"
> >>
> >>https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/a-1986-dystopian-russian-novel-basically-predicted-vladimir-putin/ar-AAVjwxz
> >>
> >>"In 1986, near the end of the Soviet Union, a Russian satirical novelist
> >>tried to imagine the future of his homeland. He envisioned a head of
> >>state who had risen through the ranks of the KGB, used a war to cement
> >>his power, elevated his former security colleagues into positions of
> >>influence, claimed to derive authority from the Russian Orthodox Church
> >>and ruled Russia for decades."
> >>
> >>"In other words, he predicted Vladimir Putin."
> >>
> >>"The writer was Vladimir Voinovich, and his novel was “Moscow 2042,” a
> >>dystopic satire about a man who takes a journey into the next century."
> >>
> >>Looks like I missed this book.
> >>
> >>Hat tip to:
> >> https://drudgereport.com/
> >>
> >>Lynn
> >
> > Well, yeah, hindsight. I'm sure there were lots of 1986 Russian novels
> > that predicted a lot of things. I mean, there was a Heinlein novel that
> > predicted the cellphone,
> Which one, and when? Cellphones seem notably absent from a lot
> of SF. Even "Neuromancer", from 1984, has phone booths and
> no mobile phones, after the first mobile phone came on the
> market.
>
> Then there's Asimov predicting that Mount Everest would never
> be climbed. The story was released after the first successful
> ascent.
>
> So much for predicting the past in SF...
> >and one that predicted that travel would be via
> > 100mph moving sidewalks.
> Did Asimov get that idea from Heinlein for "Caves of Steel"?

Perhaps Paris, 1890:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo_eZuOTBNc
Scroll to 4:54

Pt

On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 2:30:33 PM UTC-6, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:

> The most famous prediction of cell phones is, of course, Star Trek.

While the Star Trek communicator in the original series did have the
form factor of a flip phone, it clearly was _not_ a cellular phone. It
was for use on alien planets, where a Federation cellular phone network
was not pre-installed; instead, it communicated directly by some form
of radio to the Enterprise.

Since the Enterprise typically orbited planets in a very low orbit, subject
to rapid decay if it lost thrust, it was clearly not in a geostationary orbit
with line of sight to its ground parties. This was presumed to be in order to
remain in transporter range at least when it passed over the location of
the ground party.

Unless it wasn't in orbit, but just hovering, this would seem to require
deploying relay satellites, something never mentioned, or using some
sort of signal from the communicator which could go through the whole
bulk of the planet if necessary - neutrino radio or some such thing.

Which just shows, of course, that they didn't think the whole thing through
so as to make everything consistent for scientific accuracy.

Ah, wait a moment. If the communicators were using typical short-wave
radio frequencies, and the low orbit of the Enterprise was more of a
round-the-world flight within the atmosphere, specifically below the
ionosphere, that could work.

John Savard

On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 7:20:06 PM UTC-6, pete...@gmail.com wrote:

> Perhaps Paris, 1890:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo_eZuOTBNc
> Scroll to 4:54

From the comments, apparently the moving sidewalks
were from the Paris Exposition of 1900.

John Savard

The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote in
news:lpnk3h1lqa4kgofts1psiles608jgo7vtd@4ax.com:

> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 13:30:28 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
> Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>>news:r95u4y.JLJ@kithrup.com:
>>
>>> In article <t1d2tg$o4v$5@newsreader4.netcologne.de>,
>>> Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:
>>>>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <ted@loft.tnolan.com> schrieb:
>>>>> In article <t1bg6n$ql4$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>"A 1986 dystopian Russian novel basically predicted Vladimir
>>>>>>Putin"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/a-1986-dystopian-russian
>>>>>>-n ovel-basically-predicted-vladimir-putin/ar-AAVjwxz
>>>>Which one, and when? Cellphones seem notably absent from a
>>>>lot of SF. Even "Neuromancer", from 1984, has phone booths
>>>>and no mobile phones, after the first mobile phone came on the
>>>>market.
>
> OK so I'm not crazy or demented. THought I remembered that.
>
> Of course there was always Dick Tracy's (40s era?) Two Way Wrist
> Radio - I stopped reading when they killed off the Moon Maid
>
>>> _Space Cadet,_ early '50s. The cadet-applicants are waiting
>>> for transport to the Academy, and one of them gets a nervous
>>> parental call, is he all right, is he taking care of himself?
>>> much to his embarrassment. Another cadet tells him he
>>> should've packed his phone deep in his baggage.
>>>
>>The most famous prediction of cell phones is, of course, Star
>>Trek.
>
> Well yes and no - I'm pretty sure the ST communicator worked
> from Earth orbit to ground and no towers were involved no?
>
We have satellite phones right now. And have for decades.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
news:4f90a4a6-9366-4959-8721-578b4267a9a9n@googlegroups.com:

> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 2:30:33 PM UTC-6, Jibini Kula
> Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>
>> The most famous prediction of cell phones is, of course, Star
>> Trek.
>
> While the Star Trek communicator in the original series did have
> the form factor of a flip phone, it clearly was _not_ a cellular
> phone. It was for use on alien planets, where a Federation
> cellular phone network was not pre-installed; instead, it
> communicated directly by some form of radio to the Enterprise.

We've had sat phones for many years.

You're picking nits, and looking stupid.

As usual.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 8:55:57 PM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 7:20:06 PM UTC-6, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Perhaps Paris, 1890:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo_eZuOTBNc
> > Scroll to 4:54

> From the comments, apparently the moving sidewalks
> were from the Paris Exposition of 1900.

However, it's still wonderful that you remembered this
and posted the link. Even though that wasn't even the
first moving sidewalk, those were still only something
from the science-fiction future during the 1960s, and
it wasn't until much later that they were a common
sight at airports - although attempts were made, I
see from Wikipedia, in 1958 at a railway station, and
in 1960 at an airport.

John Savard

On 2022-03-22 12:01 p.m., Thomas Koenig wrote:
> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <ted@loft.tnolan.com> schrieb:
>> In article <t1bg6n$ql4$1@dont-email.me>,
>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> "A 1986 dystopian Russian novel basically predicted Vladimir Putin"
>>>
>>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/a-1986-dystopian-russian-novel-basically-predicted-vladimir-putin/ar-AAVjwxz
>>>
>>> "In 1986, near the end of the Soviet Union, a Russian satirical novelist
>>> tried to imagine the future of his homeland. He envisioned a head of
>>> state who had risen through the ranks of the KGB, used a war to cement
>>> his power, elevated his former security colleagues into positions of
>>> influence, claimed to derive authority from the Russian Orthodox Church
>>> and ruled Russia for decades."
>>>
>>> "In other words, he predicted Vladimir Putin."
>>>
>>> "The writer was Vladimir Voinovich, and his novel was “Moscow 2042,” a
>>> dystopic satire about a man who takes a journey into the next century."
>>>
>>> Looks like I missed this book.
>>>
>>> Hat tip to:
>>> https://drudgereport.com/
>>>
>>> Lynn
>>
>> Well, yeah, hindsight. I'm sure there were lots of 1986 Russian novels
>> that predicted a lot of things. I mean, there was a Heinlein novel that
>> predicted the cellphone,
>
> Which one, and when? Cellphones seem notably absent from a lot
> of SF. Even "Neuromancer", from 1984, has phone booths and
> no mobile phones, after the first mobile phone came on the
> market.
>
> Then there's Asimov predicting that Mount Everest would never
> be climbed. The story was released after the first successful
> ascent.
>
> So much for predicting the past in SF...
>
>> and one that predicted that travel would be via
>> 100mph moving sidewalks.
>
> Did Asimov get that idea from Heinlein for "Caves of Steel"?

The first moving sidewalk was demonstrated at the Chicago Exhibition in
1893. It entered science fiction four years later with HG Wells "A
Story of Things to Come".

On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 16:46:36 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:

>On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 13:30:28 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
><taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>>news:r95u4y.JLJ@kithrup.com:
>>
>>> In article <t1d2tg$o4v$5@newsreader4.netcologne.de>,
>>> Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:
>>>>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <ted@loft.tnolan.com> schrieb:
>>>>> In article <t1bg6n$ql4$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>"A 1986 dystopian Russian novel basically predicted Vladimir
>>>>>>Putin"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/a-1986-dystopian-russian-n
>>>>>>ovel-basically-predicted-vladimir-putin/ar-AAVjwxz
>>>>Which one, and when? Cellphones seem notably absent from a lot
>>>>of SF. Even "Neuromancer", from 1984, has phone booths and
>>>>no mobile phones, after the first mobile phone came on the
>>>>market.
>
>OK so I'm not crazy or demented. THought I remembered that.
>
>Of course there was always Dick Tracy's (40s era?) Two Way Wrist Radio
>- I stopped reading when they killed off the Moon Maid

Some time in the '60s the Two Way Wrist Radio got video.
>>> _Space Cadet,_ early '50s. The cadet-applicants are waiting for
>>> transport to the Academy, and one of them gets a nervous
>>> parental call, is he all right, is he taking care of himself?
>>> much to his embarrassment. Another cadet tells him he should've
>>> packed his phone deep in his baggage.
>>>
>>The most famous prediction of cell phones is, of course, Star Trek.
>
>Well yes and no - I'm pretty sure the ST communicator worked from
>Earth orbit to ground and no towers were involved no?

It would be more in the nature of a satphone I suspect. Of course
compared to anythine we use, the Enterprise could carry an immense
antenna array.

On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 19:51:07 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
<jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

>On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 2:30:33 PM UTC-6, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>
>> The most famous prediction of cell phones is, of course, Star Trek.
>
>While the Star Trek communicator in the original series did have the
>form factor of a flip phone, it clearly was _not_ a cellular phone. It
>was for use on alien planets, where a Federation cellular phone network
>was not pre-installed; instead, it communicated directly by some form
>of radio to the Enterprise.
>
>Since the Enterprise typically orbited planets in a very low orbit, subject
>to rapid decay if it lost thrust, it was clearly not in a geostationary orbit
>with line of sight to its ground parties. This was presumed to be in order to
>remain in transporter range at least when it passed over the location of
>the ground party.
>
>Unless it wasn't in orbit, but just hovering, this would seem to require
>deploying relay satellites, something never mentioned, or using some
>sort of signal from the communicator which could go through the whole
>bulk of the planet if necessary - neutrino radio or some such thing.
>
>Which just shows, of course, that they didn't think the whole thing through
>so as to make everything consistent for scientific accuracy.
>
>Ah, wait a moment. If the communicators were using typical short-wave
>radio frequencies, and the low orbit of the Enterprise was more of a
>round-the-world flight within the atmosphere, specifically below the
>ionosphere, that could work.

And we did see the Enterprise having difficulty extending on an F-104
.. . .
>
>John Savard

In article <4f90a4a6-9366-4959-8721-578b4267a9a9n@googlegroups.com>,
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 2:30:33 PM UTC-6, Jibini Kula Tumbili
> Kujisalimisha wrote:
>
> > The most famous prediction of cell phones is, of course, Star Trek.
>
> While the Star Trek communicator in the original series did have the
> form factor of a flip phone, it clearly was _not_ a cellular phone. It
> was for use on alien planets, where a Federation cellular phone network
> was not pre-installed; instead, it communicated directly by some form
> of radio to the Enterprise.
>
<snip of possible communications problems>
> Ah, wait a moment. If the communicators were using typical short-wave
> radio frequencies, and the low orbit of the Enterprise was more of a
> round-the-world flight within the atmosphere, specifically below the
> ionosphere, that could work.

The big ball of fire crossing the sky every 70-80 minutes would be a bit
distracting. BTW, just how long of an antenna will short-wave need? If
the wavelength is between 10 and 100 meters, wouldn't the antenna need
to be about as long?

--
"We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_.
—-----------------------------------------------------
Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

In article <po9l3h13t86vgk10no4hg5fhrpg9lv8s7s@4ax.com>,
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 16:46:36 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 13:30:28 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
>><taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>>>news:r95u4y.JLJ@kithrup.com:
>>>
>>>> In article <t1d2tg$o4v$5@newsreader4.netcologne.de>,
>>>> Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:
>>>>>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <ted@loft.tnolan.com> schrieb:
>>>>>> In article <t1bg6n$ql4$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>"A 1986 dystopian Russian novel basically predicted Vladimir
>>>>>>>Putin"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/a-1986-dystopian-russian-n
>>>>>>>ovel-basically-predicted-vladimir-putin/ar-AAVjwxz
>>>>>Which one, and when? Cellphones seem notably absent from a lot
>>>>>of SF. Even "Neuromancer", from 1984, has phone booths and
>>>>>no mobile phones, after the first mobile phone came on the
>>>>>market.
>>
>>OK so I'm not crazy or demented. THought I remembered that.
>>
>>Of course there was always Dick Tracy's (40s era?) Two Way Wrist Radio
>>- I stopped reading when they killed off the Moon Maid
>
>Some time in the '60s the Two Way Wrist Radio got video.
>
>>>> _Space Cadet,_ early '50s. The cadet-applicants are waiting for
>>>> transport to the Academy, and one of them gets a nervous
>>>> parental call, is he all right, is he taking care of himself?
>>>> much to his embarrassment. Another cadet tells him he should've
>>>> packed his phone deep in his baggage.
>>>>
>>>The most famous prediction of cell phones is, of course, Star Trek.
>>
>>Well yes and no - I'm pretty sure the ST communicator worked from
>>Earth orbit to ground and no towers were involved no?
>
>It would be more in the nature of a satphone I suspect. Of course
>compared to anythine we use, the Enterprise could carry an immense
>antenna array.
>
>

I'm trying to remember -- in TOS did they ever make away-team to away-team
calls or was it all ship-to-shore (and vice-versa) stuff? I rememer that
on the ship itself, they used (presumably wired) station-to-station
intercoms.
--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..

On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 03:12:39 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
<taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:

>The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote in
>news:lpnk3h1lqa4kgofts1psiles608jgo7vtd@4ax.com:
>
>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 13:30:28 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
>> Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>>>news:r95u4y.JLJ@kithrup.com:
>>>
>>>> In article <t1d2tg$o4v$5@newsreader4.netcologne.de>,
>>>> Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:
>>>>>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <ted@loft.tnolan.com> schrieb:
>>>>>> In article <t1bg6n$ql4$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>"A 1986 dystopian Russian novel basically predicted Vladimir
>>>>>>>Putin"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/a-1986-dystopian-russian
>>>>>>>-n ovel-basically-predicted-vladimir-putin/ar-AAVjwxz
>>>>>Which one, and when? Cellphones seem notably absent from a
>>>>>lot of SF. Even "Neuromancer", from 1984, has phone booths
>>>>>and no mobile phones, after the first mobile phone came on the
>>>>>market.
>>
>> OK so I'm not crazy or demented. THought I remembered that.
>>
>> Of course there was always Dick Tracy's (40s era?) Two Way Wrist
>> Radio - I stopped reading when they killed off the Moon Maid
>>
>>>> _Space Cadet,_ early '50s. The cadet-applicants are waiting
>>>> for transport to the Academy, and one of them gets a nervous
>>>> parental call, is he all right, is he taking care of himself?
>>>> much to his embarrassment. Another cadet tells him he
>>>> should've packed his phone deep in his baggage.
>>>>
>>>The most famous prediction of cell phones is, of course, Star
>>>Trek.
>>
>> Well yes and no - I'm pretty sure the ST communicator worked
>> from Earth orbit to ground and no towers were involved no?
>>
>We have satellite phones right now. And have for decades.

Why yes! Which was my whole point - that the Trek communicator isn't
remotely like a cell phone.

On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 20:49:20 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
<jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

>On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 8:55:57 PM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:
>> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 7:20:06 PM UTC-6, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > Perhaps Paris, 1890:
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo_eZuOTBNc
>> > Scroll to 4:54
>
>> From the comments, apparently the moving sidewalks
>> were from the Paris Exposition of 1900.
>
>However, it's still wonderful that you remembered this
>and posted the link. Even though that wasn't even the
>first moving sidewalk, those were still only something
>from the science-fiction future during the 1960s, and
>it wasn't until much later that they were a common
>sight at airports - although attempts were made, I
>see from Wikipedia, in 1958 at a railway station, and
>in 1960 at an airport.
>
>John Savard

The whole point of Heinlein's version was that there were several rows
of 'roads' at incremental speeds where one was expected to move from
left ot right or right versa to reach a comfortable speed. I've been
on of airport moving sidewalks but have never seen anything at all
like that.

According to Heinlein safely changing your speed was a skill everybody
knew from childhood. If it were that simple wouldn't we all be using
those by now?