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 by: Quadibloc - Fri, 1 Apr 2022 00:14 UTC

I can't bring myself to have a lot of sympathy for Chris
Rock. He should have realized that in this day and age,
making jokes based on alopecia is something our
society no longer accepts; it's viewed the same way we
view making jokes about someone with a disability or
an exceptionality.

Thus, the movie Tropic Thunder was condemned for the
frequent use of what is now called "the R-word" within it,
with the intent to convey the same attitude towards the
word in question as the phrase "the N-word" does.

So if Chris Rock winds up being "cancelled", well, even if
it is terribly unjust instead of serving him right, it's only to
be expected.

But what about Will Smith?

While it is true that it isn't really appropriate to approve
of his reaction, waxing eloquent about how physical
violence must never be condoned regardless of the
provocation... would be hypocritical, at least on my
part. Because I don't feel like waggilng my finger in the
same way at Dr. Edwin Aldrin, who lost his temper at
an advocate of the notion that the moon landings were
a hoax who called him a liar.

Edwin Aldrin and Will Smith are two unique human
individuals. So it would be untrue to say that the only
difference between them is that Edwin Aldrin is a real
astronaut, and Will Smith only played one in the movie
Independence Day.

But I'm only going to note _one_ other difference between
the two of them. And no points for guessing which one of
those many differences it is going to be.

Because while what Will Smith did wasn't an evil act, and
it doesn't make him a bad man, it still will have evil
consequences.

Because, unlike Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin, Will Smith... doesn't
have white privilege? Maybe _that's_ not the right way to
put it; if Will Smith had been hauled away by the LAPD,
_then_ that would be a sequence of events fitting that
paradigm.

But it's still something in that area.

Because to a lot of the white people who either saw what
transpired on the Oscars that night, or who just heard about
it, the incident will only serve as confirmation to some of the
most harmful racial stereotypes that have been floating around
for hundreds of years.

The conclusion that has been supported once again is this one:

You can put a suit and a tie on a black man, but you can't
change his "real" nature, said nature being that of... an
impulsive small child. A savage at heart, rather than a
civilized adult.

This is where a legitimate criticism of Will Smith needs to
start; not with hypocritical sanctimony about physical
violence, but with honestly facing the damage he has the
potential of doing to the fragile progress being made by
Americans of color.

John Savard

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 by: Andrew McDowell - Fri, 1 Apr 2022 05:14 UTC

On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 1:14:39 AM UTC+1, Quadibloc wrote:
> I can't bring myself to have a lot of sympathy for Chris
> Rock. He should have realized that in this day and age,
> making jokes based on alopecia is something our
> society no longer accepts; it's viewed the same way we
> view making jokes about someone with a disability or
> an exceptionality.
>
> Thus, the movie Tropic Thunder was condemned for the
> frequent use of what is now called "the R-word" within it,
> with the intent to convey the same attitude towards the
> word in question as the phrase "the N-word" does.
>
> So if Chris Rock winds up being "cancelled", well, even if
> it is terribly unjust instead of serving him right, it's only to
> be expected.
>
> But what about Will Smith?
>
> While it is true that it isn't really appropriate to approve
> of his reaction, waxing eloquent about how physical
> violence must never be condoned regardless of the
> provocation... would be hypocritical, at least on my
> part. Because I don't feel like waggilng my finger in the
> same way at Dr. Edwin Aldrin, who lost his temper at
> an advocate of the notion that the moon landings were
> a hoax who called him a liar.
>
> Edwin Aldrin and Will Smith are two unique human
> individuals. So it would be untrue to say that the only
> difference between them is that Edwin Aldrin is a real
> astronaut, and Will Smith only played one in the movie
> Independence Day.
>
> But I'm only going to note _one_ other difference between
> the two of them. And no points for guessing which one of
> those many differences it is going to be.
>
> Because while what Will Smith did wasn't an evil act, and
> it doesn't make him a bad man, it still will have evil
> consequences.
>
> Because, unlike Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin, Will Smith... doesn't
> have white privilege? Maybe _that's_ not the right way to
> put it; if Will Smith had been hauled away by the LAPD,
> _then_ that would be a sequence of events fitting that
> paradigm.
>
> But it's still something in that area.
>
> Because to a lot of the white people who either saw what
> transpired on the Oscars that night, or who just heard about
> it, the incident will only serve as confirmation to some of the
> most harmful racial stereotypes that have been floating around
> for hundreds of years.
>
> The conclusion that has been supported once again is this one:
>
> You can put a suit and a tie on a black man, but you can't
> change his "real" nature, said nature being that of... an
> impulsive small child. A savage at heart, rather than a
> civilized adult.
>
> This is where a legitimate criticism of Will Smith needs to
> start; not with hypocritical sanctimony about physical
> violence, but with honestly facing the damage he has the
> potential of doing to the fragile progress being made by
> Americans of color.
>
> John Savard
We now know from sports that even very mild head trauma can be dangerous, so we should be even less tolerant of attacks than before, regardless of excuse. As it happens, I find the reported joke entirely unobjectionable (https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/mar/27/will-smith-punch-chris-rock-wife-joke-gi-jane-video-oscars). I find any culture that regards violence as the proper reaction to perceived so-called disrespect much more troubling.

There might be a place for a discussion of the stereotypical behaviour of fighter pilots, and of people in general whose job involves more danger and sometimes more discomfort than is typically imposed as a punishment, and the problems of disciplining such people - the work of David Drake and Chris Nuttall comes to mind. Regardless of the morals and characters involved, I note that neither Buzz Aldrin's nor Will Smith's response worked. I do not find moon landing conspiracy theories less plausible now that I know that they got under Aldrin's skin, and Will Smith's violence has certainly not suppressed the GI Jane joke.

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On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 17:14:36 -0700, Quadibloc wrote:
>...
> The conclusion that has been supported once again is this one:
>
> You can put a suit and a tie on a black man, but you can't change his
> "real" nature, said nature being that of... an impulsive small child. A
> savage at heart, rather than a civilized adult.

Civilized adult? You mean, um, like antebellum white
aristocrats? All that was missing was duelling pistols.
It looked like progress to me...

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On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 7:57:58 AM UTC+1, Charles Packer wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 17:14:36 -0700, Quadibloc wrote:
> >...
> > The conclusion that has been supported once again is this one:
> >
> > You can put a suit and a tie on a black man, but you can't change his
> > "real" nature, said nature being that of... an impulsive small child. A
> > savage at heart, rather than a civilized adult.
> Civilized adult? You mean, um, like antebellum white
> aristocrats? All that was missing was duelling pistols.
> It looked like progress to me...
It does not seem that dueling was unique to the Antebellum south - see for example the Burr-Hamilton duel. OTOH Heinlein did claim that the existence of dueling increased rather than decreased civility in general. In particular, a slap might have been regarded as a challenge to a duel.

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 by: Robert Carnegie - Fri, 1 Apr 2022 12:11 UTC

On Friday, 1 April 2022 at 06:14:29 UTC+1, mcdow...@sky.com wrote:
> We now know from sports that even very mild head trauma can be dangerous, so we should be even less tolerant of attacks than before, regardless of excuse. As it happens, I find the reported joke entirely unobjectionable (https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/mar/27/will-smith-punch-chris-rock-wife-joke-gi-jane-video-oscars). I find any culture that regards violence as the proper reaction to perceived so-called disrespect much more troubling.
>
> There might be a place for a discussion of the stereotypical behaviour of fighter pilots, and of people in general whose job involves more danger and sometimes more discomfort than is typically imposed as a punishment, and the problems of disciplining such people - the work of David Drake and Chris Nuttall comes to mind. Regardless of the morals and characters involved, I note that neither Buzz Aldrin's nor Will Smith's response worked. I do not find moon landing conspiracy theories less plausible now that I know that they got under Aldrin's skin, and Will Smith's violence has certainly not suppressed the GI Jane joke.

As far as I'm aware, trained warrior Buzz Aldrin
did not have to repeat himself. In which case,
it worked for him.

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On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 12:57:58 AM UTC-6, Charles Packer wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 17:14:36 -0700, Quadibloc wrote:
> >...
> > The conclusion that has been supported once again is this one:

> > You can put a suit and a tie on a black man, but you can't change his
> > "real" nature, said nature being that of... an impulsive small child. A
> > savage at heart, rather than a civilized adult.

> Civilized adult? You mean, um, like antebellum white
> aristocrats? All that was missing was duelling pistols.
> It looked like progress to me...

That's a good point, but I never claimed that bigots couldn't
also be hypocrites. _Of course_ racist stereotypes are false.
But just because a belief is false doesn't mean that events
cannot happen that encourage the spread of that false belief.

John Savard

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On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 11:14:29 PM UTC-6, mcdow...@sky.com wrote:
> I find any culture that regards violence as the proper reaction to perceived so-called disrespect much more troubling.

That's not an unreasonable point of view.

And yet, I know that I don't _fully_ share it.

Thus, for example, I was somewhat unsympathetic to the society
depicted in Robert A. Heinlein's story _Coventry_.

What *I* expect of a well-ordered society is this:

*All* acts of aggression are punished, with the intent of deterring
them so that aggression does not take place. No loophole is left so
that some kinds of aggression are permitted and ignored.

Thus, if someone calls you names and tries to hurt your feelings,
why of course you can hit him to shut him up. That's self-defence.
No innocent human is to be the target of _any_ form of aggression,
and emotional aggression *is included*.

While a "stand-your-ground" law that turns out, in practise, to be
an "open season on black people" law is a _bad_ thing, in *principle*
a stand-your-ground law would be a good idea.

So if demonstrators are blocking a road, an inconvenienced motorist
is entitled to "stand his ground" - to drive along the road for which
his taxes have paid, and get to his destination at the expected time -
regardless of the demonstration. If, to do so, he has to pull out a
machine gun and leave a trail of carnage in his wake - well, as long
as no innocent people got hurt, only those guilty of choosing to block
a road, it is not a matter for the criminal justice system.

The cost of cleaning up the mess goes to the estates of the demonstrators.

The trouble is, of course, that if ordinary citizens _have_ machine guns,
why, some of those demonstrators blocking the road could be armed too.
That's why it's better to have police to take care of things.

Assuming, of course, that the police can always be trusted to intervene
in situations in the correct manner to bring about justice.

If this is not the case, then I presume the responsible authorities
(by this I mean politicians, not courts or other police forces) will
do two things:

- they will get angry; and
- they will begin engaging in micromanagement.

But I do not wish to dwell on _unpleasant_ topics.

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Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 12:57:58 AM UTC-6, Charles Packer wrote:
>> On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 17:14:36 -0700, Quadibloc wrote:
>> >...
>> > The conclusion that has been supported once again is this one:
>

That hollywood is a narcissistic wasteland and the Oscars are
the height of narcissism? And a colossal waste of time and money.

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On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 9:55:07 AM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> >> On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 17:14:36 -0700, Quadibloc wrote:

> >> > The conclusion that has been supported once again is this one:

> That hollywood is a narcissistic wasteland and the Oscars are
> the height of narcissism? And a colossal waste of time and money.

Although the Oscars _may_ indeed be "a colossal waste of time and
money", the first part of your conclusion is insupportable.

The height of narcissism is something the United States _has_ seen
on display before it for about four years. Compared to the behavior
of one Donald J. Trump, the Academy Awards are not even remotely
in the running in the narcissism sweepstakes.

John Savard

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On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 4:52:38 PM UTC+1, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 11:14:29 PM UTC-6, mcdow...@sky.com wrote:
> > I find any culture that regards violence as the proper reaction to perceived so-called disrespect much more troubling.
> That's not an unreasonable point of view.
>
> And yet, I know that I don't _fully_ share it.
>
> Thus, for example, I was somewhat unsympathetic to the society
> depicted in Robert A. Heinlein's story _Coventry_.
>
> What *I* expect of a well-ordered society is this:
>
> *All* acts of aggression are punished, with the intent of deterring
> them so that aggression does not take place. No loophole is left so
> that some kinds of aggression are permitted and ignored.
>
> Thus, if someone calls you names and tries to hurt your feelings,
> why of course you can hit him to shut him up. That's self-defence.
> No innocent human is to be the target of _any_ form of aggression,
> and emotional aggression *is included*.
>
> While a "stand-your-ground" law that turns out, in practise, to be
> an "open season on black people" law is a _bad_ thing, in *principle*
> a stand-your-ground law would be a good idea.
>
> So if demonstrators are blocking a road, an inconvenienced motorist
> is entitled to "stand his ground" - to drive along the road for which
> his taxes have paid, and get to his destination at the expected time -
> regardless of the demonstration. If, to do so, he has to pull out a
> machine gun and leave a trail of carnage in his wake - well, as long
> as no innocent people got hurt, only those guilty of choosing to block
> a road, it is not a matter for the criminal justice system.
>
> The cost of cleaning up the mess goes to the estates of the demonstrators..
>
> The trouble is, of course, that if ordinary citizens _have_ machine guns,
> why, some of those demonstrators blocking the road could be armed too.
> That's why it's better to have police to take care of things.
>
> Assuming, of course, that the police can always be trusted to intervene
> in situations in the correct manner to bring about justice.
>
> If this is not the case, then I presume the responsible authorities
> (by this I mean politicians, not courts or other police forces) will
> do two things:
>
> - they will get angry; and
> - they will begin engaging in micromanagement.
>
> But I do not wish to dwell on _unpleasant_ topics.
>
> John Savard
It is literally the first principle of Natural Justice (at least as ordered by Wikipedia) that "A person is barred from deciding any case in which he or she may be, or may fairly be suspected to be, biased." I believe that this covers the use of machine guns for road clearance, where the driver and the machine gunner are one and the same.

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Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in news:5eddd544-ccdc-4e42-
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> I can't bring myself to have a lot of sympathy for Chris
> Rock. He should have realized that in this day and age,
> making jokes based on alopecia is something our
> society no longer accepts; it's viewed the same way we
> view making jokes about someone with a disability or
> an exceptionality.
>
> Thus, the movie Tropic Thunder was condemned for the
> frequent use of what is now called "the R-word" within it,
> with the intent to convey the same attitude towards the
> word in question as the phrase "the N-word" does.
>
> So if Chris Rock winds up being "cancelled", well, even if
> it is terribly unjust instead of serving him right, it's only to
> be expected.

Tickets to his concerts are telling for nearly 10 times what they
were before The Slap, and he's adding extra shows.

https://www.freep.com/story/entertainment/movies/julie-
hinds/2022/03/30/chris-rock-detroit-show-oscars-slap-
smith/7217880001/

https://tinyurl.com/2a62peby

Seems like being cancelled is pretty fucking profitable these days.

Which is also only to be expected, given what a joke the fascist
left has become.
>
> But what about Will Smith?

He's facing explusion from the Academy, Probably won't get quite
that exteme, but that has far more to do with his box office appeal
- money - than what's just or right.
>
> While it is true that it isn't really appropriate to approve
> of his reaction, waxing eloquent about how physical
> violence must never be condoned regardless of the
> provocation... would be hypocritical, at least on my
> part. Because I don't feel like waggilng my finger in the
> same way at Dr. Edwin Aldrin, who lost his temper at
> an advocate of the notion that the moon landings were
> a hoax who called him a liar.

Buzz didn't "lose his temper," he was defending himself against a
criminal attack.

The Los Angeles County District Attorney nailed it precisely when
he invstigated the incident thoroughly, watched the videos,
interviewed the witnesses, and held a press conference to announce
no criminal charges would be filed . . . against the guy with the
camera. (Complete with the dramatic pause.)

The only person potentially facing criminal charges from The Slap
is Smith. Rock didn't even defend himself.
>
> Edwin Aldrin and Will Smith are two unique human
> individuals. So it would be untrue to say that the only
> difference between them is that Edwin Aldrin is a real
> astronaut, and Will Smith only played one in the movie
> Independence Day.
>
> But I'm only going to note _one_ other difference between
> the two of them. And no points for guessing which one of
> those many differences it is going to be.

The other difference is that Aldrin was the victim of a criminal
assault and Smith committed a criminal assault.
>
> Because while what Will Smith did wasn't an evil act, and
> it doesn't make him a bad man, it still will have evil
> consequences.
>
> Because, unlike Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin, Will Smith... doesn't
> have white privilege? Maybe _that's_ not the right way to
> put it; if Will Smith had been hauled away by the LAPD,
> _then_ that would be a sequence of events fitting that
> paradigm.

Your blatant racism is one of those evil consequences. Or, rather,
your feeling like you can spew your racism out loud. Again.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

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 by: Jibini Kula Tumbili - Fri, 1 Apr 2022 16:49 UTC

Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote in
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> On Friday, 1 April 2022 at 06:14:29 UTC+1, mcdow...@sky.com
> wrote:
>> We now know from sports that even very mild head trauma can be
>> dangerous,
> so we should be even less tolerant of attacks than before,
> regardless of excuse. As it happens, I find the reported joke
> entirely unobjectionable
> (https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/mar/27/will-smith-punch-c
> hris-rock-wife-joke-gi-jane-video-oscars). I find any culture
> that regards violence as the proper reaction to perceived
> so-called disrespect much more troubling.
>>
>> There might be a place for a discussion of the stereotypical
>> behaviour of
> fighter pilots, and of people in general whose job involves
> more danger and sometimes more discomfort than is typically
> imposed as a punishment, and the problems of disciplining such
> people - the work of David Drake and Chris Nuttall comes to
> mind. Regardless of the morals and characters involved, I note
> that neither Buzz Aldrin's nor Will Smith's response worked. I
> do not find moon landing conspiracy theories less plausible now
> that I know that they got under Aldrin's skin, and Will Smith's
> violence has certainly not suppressed the GI Jane joke.
>
> As far as I'm aware, trained warrior Buzz Aldrin
> did not have to repeat himself. In which case,
> it worked for him.
>
Aldrin also was *clearly* the *victim* of a criminal assault, not
the perpetrator. The DA made it clear the main reason no criminal
charges would be filed against the asshat was the Buzz didn't want
to bother with it (or give the asshat the publicity).

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
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 by: Jibini Kula Tumbili - Fri, 1 Apr 2022 16:51 UTC

Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
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> On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 11:14:29 PM UTC-6,
> mcdow...@sky.com wrote:
>> I find any culture that regards violence as the proper reaction
>> to perceived so-called disrespect much more troubling.
>
> That's not an unreasonable point of view.
>
> And yet, I know that I don't _fully_ share it.
>
> Thus, for example, I was somewhat unsympathetic to the society
> depicted in Robert A. Heinlein's story _Coventry_.
>
> What *I* expect of a well-ordered society is this:
>
> *All* acts of aggression are punished, with the intent of
> deterring them so that aggression does not take place. No
> loophole is left so that some kinds of aggression are permitted
> and ignored.
>
> Thus, if someone calls you names and tries to hurt your
> feelings, why of course you can hit him to shut him up. That's
> self-defence. No innocent human is to be the target of _any_
> form of aggression, and emotional aggression *is included*.

You are, and I am 100% serious about this, mentally ill. You suffer
from some form of psychopathy.

Normal people do not believe such things.

In all seriousness, you need psychiatric care. Before you hurt
someone, and no longer have the option of refusing it.

Really.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
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Andrew McDowell <mcdowell_ag@sky.com> wrote in
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> On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 1:14:39 AM UTC+1, Quadibloc wrote:
>> I can't bring myself to have a lot of sympathy for Chris
>> Rock. He should have realized that in this day and age,
>> making jokes based on alopecia is something our
>> society no longer accepts; it's viewed the same way we
>> view making jokes about someone with a disability or
>> an exceptionality.
>>
>> Thus, the movie Tropic Thunder was condemned for the
>> frequent use of what is now called "the R-word" within it,
>> with the intent to convey the same attitude towards the
>> word in question as the phrase "the N-word" does.
>>
>> So if Chris Rock winds up being "cancelled", well, even if
>> it is terribly unjust instead of serving him right, it's only
>> to be expected.
>>
>> But what about Will Smith?
>>
>> While it is true that it isn't really appropriate to approve
>> of his reaction, waxing eloquent about how physical
>> violence must never be condoned regardless of the
>> provocation... would be hypocritical, at least on my
>> part. Because I don't feel like waggilng my finger in the
>> same way at Dr. Edwin Aldrin, who lost his temper at
>> an advocate of the notion that the moon landings were
>> a hoax who called him a liar.
>>
>> Edwin Aldrin and Will Smith are two unique human
>> individuals. So it would be untrue to say that the only
>> difference between them is that Edwin Aldrin is a real
>> astronaut, and Will Smith only played one in the movie
>> Independence Day.
>>
>> But I'm only going to note _one_ other difference between
>> the two of them. And no points for guessing which one of
>> those many differences it is going to be.
>>
>> Because while what Will Smith did wasn't an evil act, and
>> it doesn't make him a bad man, it still will have evil
>> consequences.
>>
>> Because, unlike Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin, Will Smith... doesn't
>> have white privilege? Maybe _that's_ not the right way to
>> put it; if Will Smith had been hauled away by the LAPD,
>> _then_ that would be a sequence of events fitting that
>> paradigm.
>>
>> But it's still something in that area.
>>
>> Because to a lot of the white people who either saw what
>> transpired on the Oscars that night, or who just heard about
>> it, the incident will only serve as confirmation to some of the
>> most harmful racial stereotypes that have been floating around
>> for hundreds of years.
>>
>> The conclusion that has been supported once again is this one:
>>
>> You can put a suit and a tie on a black man, but you can't
>> change his "real" nature, said nature being that of... an
>> impulsive small child. A savage at heart, rather than a
>> civilized adult.
>>
>> This is where a legitimate criticism of Will Smith needs to
>> start; not with hypocritical sanctimony about physical
>> violence, but with honestly facing the damage he has the
>> potential of doing to the fragile progress being made by
>> Americans of color.
>>
>> John Savard
> We now know from sports that even very mild head trauma can be
> dangerous, so we should be even less tolerant of attacks than
> before, regardless of excuse. As it happens, I find the reported
> joke entirely unobjectionable
> (https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/mar/27/will-smith-punch-ch
> ris-rock-wife-joke-gi-jane-video-oscars). I find any culture
> that regards violence as the proper reaction to perceived
> so-called disrespect much more troubling.
>
Every state in the US has some form of "fighting words" law,
wherein it is recognized that there are things one can say that are
*so* offensive that any reasonable person would respond with
violence.

Rock's joke did not rise to that level. It was, perhaps, in bad
taste (but most comedy is), and perhaps not particularly funny, in
context, but it certainly wasn't "fighting words."

Smith's lucky that Rock doesn't want to pursue it in a legal venue.
I guess he's too busy booking more shows due to the massive
increase in ticket sales for his concerts.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
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scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
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> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>>On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 12:57:58 AM UTC-6, Charles Packer
>>wrote:
>>> On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 17:14:36 -0700, Quadibloc wrote:
>>> >...
>>> > The conclusion that has been supported once again is this
>>> > one:
>>
>
> That hollywood is a narcissistic wasteland and the Oscars are
> the height of narcissism?

And irrelevant. Don't forget irrelevant.

> And a colossal waste of time and
> money.
>
It's their money. If they want to light metaphorical cigars with
hundred dollar bills, they can.

Just means I'll be looking for someting on one of the rerun channels
to watch that night. Which is what I do pretty much every night
anyway.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
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Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> writes:
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>> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
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>>>> >...
>>>> > The conclusion that has been supported once again is this
>>>> > one:
>>>
>>
>> That hollywood is a narcissistic wasteland and the Oscars are
>> the height of narcissism?
>
>And irrelevant. Don't forget irrelevant.
>
>> And a colossal waste of time and
>> money.
>>
>It's their money. If they want to light metaphorical cigars with
>hundred dollar bills, they can.

I would argue it is _our_ money; just how much is a ticket
to first-run at the cinema nowadays?

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On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 10:15:21 AM UTC-6, mcdow...@sky.com wrote:

> It is literally the first principle of Natural Justice (at least as ordered by Wikipedia)
> that "A person is barred from deciding any case in which he or she may be, or may
> fairly be suspected to be, biased." I believe that this covers the use of machine guns
> for road clearance, where the driver and the machine gunner are one and the same.

To clarify: I certainly am _not_ suggesting, even hypothetically, that the
motorist be allowed to act as judge, jury, and executioner.

He would only be allowed to spray the demonstrators with machine-gun
fire if, by doing so, he were using the _minimum force_ required to clear
them out of the way so that he could get to where he was going on time.
Even _with_ a "legitimate" stand-your-ground law.

So he is not judging any case, he is merely preventing himself from being
a victim. It is, however, _despite_ this that I acknowledge the scenario is
still highly problematic. So we do need police, but we also need police that
do their job.

So what are we to make of, say, Kyle Rittenhouse?

In *theory*, from my point of view as articulated here, he was simply
an alert citizen, defending property from rioters.

In _practice_, however, his actions were *highly* irresponsible, as
understandably he was percieved _not_ as a defender of property,
but instead as someone likely to engage in a racial massacre...

which had the result that the people he shot and killed were
genuinely innocent victims, rather than people who broke windows
and stole things, for whom I would have no particular sympathy.

I am capable of distinguishing abstract principle from real-world
practicality. However, real-world practicality is so messy that one
actually has to begin with getting the abstract principles right
before attempting to move on to the more complicated case.

John Savard

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scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in news:mrG1K.497789
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> Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> writes:
>>scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
>>news:qfF1K.321345$Gojc.202181@fx99.iad:
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>>> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>>>>On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 12:57:58 AM UTC-6, Charles Packer
>>>>wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 17:14:36 -0700, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>>> >...
>>>>> > The conclusion that has been supported once again is this
>>>>> > one:
>>>>
>>>
>>> That hollywood is a narcissistic wasteland and the Oscars are
>>> the height of narcissism?
>>
>>And irrelevant. Don't forget irrelevant.
>>
>>> And a colossal waste of time and
>>> money.
>>>
>>It's their money. If they want to light metaphorical cigars with
>>hundred dollar bills, they can.
>
> I would argue it is _our_ money; just how much is a ticket
> to first-run at the cinema nowadays?
>
Once you buy the ticket, it's not your money any more. If you don't
like their business practices, don't use their services. Same as
any other company.

Only fascist lefties believe they get to decide how *other* people
spend *their own* money.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

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 by: Jibini Kula Tumbili - Fri, 1 Apr 2022 18:31 UTC

Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
news:7cfbeb67-afca-489e-8c7b-e0b4bbc70870n@googlegroups.com:

> On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 10:15:21 AM UTC-6, mcdow...@sky.com
> wrote:
>
>> It is literally the first principle of Natural Justice (at
>> least as ordered by Wikipedia) that "A person is barred from
>> deciding any case in which he or she may be, or may fairly be
>> suspected to be, biased." I believe that this covers the use of
>> machine guns for road clearance, where the driver and the
>> machine gunner are one and the same.
>
> To clarify: I certainly am _not_ suggesting, even
> hypothetically, that the motorist be allowed to act as judge,
> jury, and executioner.
>
> He would only be allowed to spray the demonstrators with
> machine-gun fire if, by doing so, he were using the _minimum
> force_ required to clear them out of the way so that he could
> get to where he was going on time. Even _with_ a "legitimate"
> stand-your-ground law.

So killing people is justified if someone is running late to, say, an
appointment with their hairdresse?

Psychopath.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

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 by: Michael F. Stemper - Fri, 1 Apr 2022 18:44 UTC

On 01/04/2022 03.46, Andrew McDowell wrote:
> On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 7:57:58 AM UTC+1, Charles Packer wrote:

>> Civilized adult? You mean, um, like antebellum white
>> aristocrats? All that was missing was duelling pistols.
>> It looked like progress to me...
> It does not seem that dueling was unique to the Antebellum south - see for example the Burr-Hamilton duel. OTOH Heinlein did claim that the existence of dueling increased rather than decreased civility in general. In particular, a slap might have been regarded as a challenge to a duel.

Are you referring to _Beyond This Horizon_? "An armed society is
a polite society"?

Although that's what some of the characters said, it's certainly
not true of the society that Heinlein portrayed.

The twats with elite dueling skills certainly weren't polite;
they were boors. They could get away with being boorish, because
they knew that most people wouldn't challenge them for offense.

--
Michael F. Stemper
There's no "me" in "team". There's no "us" in "team", either.

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 by: Quadibloc - Fri, 1 Apr 2022 20:41 UTC

On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 12:31:21 PM UTC-6, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:

> So killing people is justified if someone is running late to, say, an
> appointment with their hairdresse?
>
> Psychopath.

Oh, I'm perfectly happy to recognize that this is not practical,
and we need to let the polilce handle situations like this
instead.

Nor do I object to _mercy_ either.

I am merely expressing an abstract principle, not suggesting
a specific course of action. And the abstract principle that:

- allowing aggression to succeed in causing harm to its intended victim
permits an injustice;

- using deadly force, on the other hand, against an aggressor, while it
may be _harsh_ if the aggression is small, is still not an injustice,

- and injustice is intolerable, whereas harshness towards the guilty
is only regrettable

is a sound one, which will lead to _less_ suffering (because people
will get it through their thick heads that you DO NOT COMMIT
AGGRESSION if it is dealt with consistently), and is therefore hardly
psychopathic.

A society in which nobody ever tries to push other people around,
nobody ever tries to take what doesn't belong to him, and so on and
so forth... is a society which has _one_ of the elements of a paradise.

The problem, of course, is that people seem to be so _badly_ behaved
that the level of police presence required to achieve that... runs the risk
of turning the society into something like North Korea instead.

So one has to go beyond the narrow goal of abolishing crime - including
such crimes as those Putin is committing against Ukraine at present - to
dealing with the underlying tensions that make _some_ societies
crime-ridden, and others relatively peaceful and calm without a constant
concern about an excessive crime rate.

One just needs to look out the window practically - or read the newspapers -
to know what the obvious first step is, although that step seems to be
taboo by current standards.

Partition countries, or relocate people, so that everyone lives in a sovereign
state which is *not* "diverse". Instead, everyone lives in a country where
everyone else

- is of the same ethnic origin as they are,
- speaks the same language as they do,
- belongs to the same religion as they do,
- is of the same socio-economic class as they are

and then people don't regard their neighbors as potential enemies,
but as their buddies, so that only very exceptional people commit
crimes.

People talk about solving the crime problem by building communities
that reach across barriers, but that never seems to work. So stick with
what _does_ work, and have *everyone in the whole world* live in
an area which is very low in crime, just like small-town America.

Of course, though, not _everyone_ is inclined to violence at the sight
of someone who looks different. Certain types of activity, like advanced
scientific research, require co-operation between people drawn from a
wide population pool.

So perhaps there would be a system of, shall we say, cosmopolitan zones,
to which responsible people of intelligence and maturity are admitted,
in which universities and research institutes are located, where there is
diversity. Those who see diversity as something requiring torches and
pitchforks will simply not be admitted to those zones.

When the human race evolves into something less violent, of course,
then it will no longer be necessary to organize it under this kind of
principle of supervision.

John Savard

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 by: Jibini Kula Tumbili - Fri, 1 Apr 2022 21:15 UTC

Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
news:1beceb2f-3faf-4a86-8754-35ba16afff24n@googlegroups.com:

> On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 12:31:21 PM UTC-6, Jibini Kula
> Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>
>> So killing people is justified if someone is running late to,
>> say, an appointment with their hairdresse?
>>
>> Psychopath.
>
> Oh, I'm perfectly happy to recognize that this is not practical,
> and we need to let the polilce handle situations like this
> instead.

So you're a cowardly psychopath. But a psychopath, nonetheless.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
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 by: Alan - Fri, 1 Apr 2022 21:47 UTC

On 2022-04-01 11:31 a.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
> news:7cfbeb67-afca-489e-8c7b-e0b4bbc70870n@googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 10:15:21 AM UTC-6, mcdow...@sky.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It is literally the first principle of Natural Justice (at
>>> least as ordered by Wikipedia) that "A person is barred from
>>> deciding any case in which he or she may be, or may fairly be
>>> suspected to be, biased." I believe that this covers the use of
>>> machine guns for road clearance, where the driver and the
>>> machine gunner are one and the same.
>>
>> To clarify: I certainly am _not_ suggesting, even
>> hypothetically, that the motorist be allowed to act as judge,
>> jury, and executioner.
>>
>> He would only be allowed to spray the demonstrators with
>> machine-gun fire if, by doing so, he were using the _minimum
>> force_ required to clear them out of the way so that he could
>> get to where he was going on time. Even _with_ a "legitimate"
>> stand-your-ground law.
>
> So killing people is justified if someone is running late to, say, an
> appointment with their hairdresse?
>
> Psychopath.
>

Says the guy who regularly declares "the left" to be sub-humans...

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 by: Titus G - Sat, 2 Apr 2022 00:54 UTC

On 2/04/22 07:31, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
> news:7cfbeb67-afca-489e-8c7b-e0b4bbc70870n@googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 10:15:21 AM UTC-6, mcdow...@sky.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It is literally the first principle of Natural Justice (at
>>> least as ordered by Wikipedia) that "A person is barred from
>>> deciding any case in which he or she may be, or may fairly be
>>> suspected to be, biased." I believe that this covers the use of
>>> machine guns for road clearance, where the driver and the
>>> machine gunner are one and the same.
>>
>> To clarify: I certainly am _not_ suggesting, even
>> hypothetically, that the motorist be allowed to act as judge,
>> jury, and executioner.
>>
>> He would only be allowed to spray the demonstrators with
>> machine-gun fire if, by doing so, he were using the _minimum
>> force_ required to clear them out of the way so that he could
>> get to where he was going on time. Even _with_ a "legitimate"
>> stand-your-ground law.
>
> So killing people is justified if someone is running late to, say, an
> appointment with their hairdresse?

No. Professor Fourbricks clearly wrote "to get to...(the
hairdresser)..ON TIME".

>
> Psychopath.
>

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 by: Titus G - Sat, 2 Apr 2022 01:05 UTC

On 2/04/22 04:55, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>> On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 12:57:58 AM UTC-6, Charles Packer wrote:
>>> On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 17:14:36 -0700, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>> The conclusion that has been supported once again is this one:
>>
>
> That hollywood is a narcissistic wasteland and the Oscars are
> the height of narcissism? And a colossal waste of time and money.

Amidst all the interruptions to normal news and discussion, I learnt
that the Oscar organisers employ Seatfillers whose job it is to keep the
audience full for the cameras when the toilet beckons.
Almost unbelievable!

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