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Young People Read Old Hugo Finalists: Child of All Ages by P. J. Plauger

https://youngpeoplereadoldsff.com/story/child-of-all-ages

The Young People read and react to Plauger's tale of an ageless child.
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On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 8:18:54 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
> Young People Read Old Hugo Finalists: Child of All Ages by P. J. Plauger
>
> https://youngpeoplereadoldsff.com/story/child-of-all-ages
>
> The Young People read and react to Plauger's tale of an ageless child.

I recall reading this as a teenager, and quite liking it. At that time, I identified
with the girl.

I suspect that if I read it now for the first time, I'd identify with the father,
and have a different take on it.

The suck fairy can be cruel.

pt

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 by: ted@loft.tnolan.com - Tue, 5 Apr 2022 13:48 UTC

In article <b074b707-b2ee-43f2-b076-1f05fd3961can@googlegroups.com>,
pete...@gmail.com <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 8:18:54 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
>> Young People Read Old Hugo Finalists: Child of All Ages by P. J. Plauger
>>
>> https://youngpeoplereadoldsff.com/story/child-of-all-ages
>>
>> The Young People read and react to Plauger's tale of an ageless child.
>
>I recall reading this as a teenager, and quite liking it. At that time,
>I identified
>with the girl.
>
>I suspect that if I read it now for the first time, I'd identify with
>the father,
>and have a different take on it.
>
>The suck fairy can be cruel.
>
>pt

If you liked "Child of All Ages" perhaps you will like some of Plauger's
other works such as _Elements Of Programming Style_ & _Software Tools_ :-)

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On 5 Apr 2022 13:48:58 GMT, ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>)
wrote:

>In article <b074b707-b2ee-43f2-b076-1f05fd3961can@googlegroups.com>,
>pete...@gmail.com <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 8:18:54 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
>>> Young People Read Old Hugo Finalists: Child of All Ages by P. J. Plauger
>>>
>>> https://youngpeoplereadoldsff.com/story/child-of-all-ages
>>>
>>> The Young People read and react to Plauger's tale of an ageless child.
>>
>>I recall reading this as a teenager, and quite liking it. At that time,
>>I identified
>>with the girl.
>>
>>I suspect that if I read it now for the first time, I'd identify with
>>the father,
>>and have a different take on it.
>>
>>The suck fairy can be cruel.
>>
>>pt
>
>If you liked "Child of All Ages" perhaps you will like some of Plauger's
>other works such as _Elements Of Programming Style_ & _Software Tools_ :-)

I wonder which he will be known for in 100 years time: the fiction or
the programming books.
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 by: pete...@gmail.com - Tue, 5 Apr 2022 18:59 UTC

On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:49:03 AM UTC-4, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> In article <b074b707-b2ee-43f2...@googlegroups.com>,
> pete...@gmail.com <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 8:18:54 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
> >> Young People Read Old Hugo Finalists: Child of All Ages by P. J. Plauger
> >>
> >> https://youngpeoplereadoldsff.com/story/child-of-all-ages
> >>
> >> The Young People read and react to Plauger's tale of an ageless child.
> >
> >I recall reading this as a teenager, and quite liking it. At that time,
> >I identified
> >with the girl.
> >
> >I suspect that if I read it now for the first time, I'd identify with
> >the father,
> >and have a different take on it.
> >
> >The suck fairy can be cruel.
> >
> >pt
> If you liked "Child of All Ages" perhaps you will like some of Plauger's
> other works such as _Elements Of Programming Style_ & _Software Tools_ :-)

I have both books.

pt

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In article <fb4b0375-2054-41fe-863b-e64f7ccaaaf4n@googlegroups.com>,
pete...@gmail.com <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:49:03 AM UTC-4, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
>> In article <b074b707-b2ee-43f2...@googlegroups.com>,
>> pete...@gmail.com <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 8:18:54 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
>> >> Young People Read Old Hugo Finalists: Child of All Ages by P. J. Plauger
>> >>
>> >> https://youngpeoplereadoldsff.com/story/child-of-all-ages
>> >>
>> >> The Young People read and react to Plauger's tale of an ageless child.
>> >
>> >I recall reading this as a teenager, and quite liking it. At that time,
>> >I identified
>> >with the girl.
>> >
>> >I suspect that if I read it now for the first time, I'd identify with
>> >the father,
>> >and have a different take on it.
>> >
>> >The suck fairy can be cruel.
>> >
>> >pt
>> If you liked "Child of All Ages" perhaps you will like some of Plauger's
>> other works such as _Elements Of Programming Style_ & _Software Tools_ :-)
>
>I have both books.
>
>pt

As I recall, he also wrote a good short novel that was only published
in an experimental paperback "extra" issue of Analog. (The other story
from that I remember is Spider Robinson's "Half An Oaf").
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On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 3:07:01 PM UTC-4, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> In article <fb4b0375-2054-41fe...@googlegroups.com>,
> pete...@gmail.com <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:49:03 AM UTC-4, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> >> In article <b074b707-b2ee-43f2...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> pete...@gmail.com <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 8:18:54 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
> >> >> Young People Read Old Hugo Finalists: Child of All Ages by P. J. Plauger
> >> >>
> >> >> https://youngpeoplereadoldsff.com/story/child-of-all-ages
> >> >>
> >> >> The Young People read and react to Plauger's tale of an ageless child.
> >> >
> >> >I recall reading this as a teenager, and quite liking it. At that time,
> >> >I identified with the girl.
> >> >
> >> >I suspect that if I read it now for the first time, I'd identify with
> >> >the father, and have a different take on it.
> >> >
> >> >The suck fairy can be cruel.
> >> >
> >> If you liked "Child of All Ages" perhaps you will like some of Plauger's
> >> other works such as _Elements Of Programming Style_ & _Software Tools_ :-)
> >
> >I have both books.
> >
> As I recall, he also wrote a good short novel that was only published
> in an experimental paperback "extra" issue of Analog. (The other story
> from that I remember is Spider Robinson's "Half An Oaf").

I believe he self-published all of his old stories a few years ago --
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?3011

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 by: ted@loft.tnolan.com - Tue, 5 Apr 2022 19:27 UTC

In article <5846b378-5902-4ae6-a6fe-bc6cac3023b1n@googlegroups.com>,
Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> wrote:
>On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 3:07:01 PM UTC-4, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
>> In article <fb4b0375-2054-41fe...@googlegroups.com>,
>> pete...@gmail.com <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:49:03 AM UTC-4, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
>> >> In article <b074b707-b2ee-43f2...@googlegroups.com>,
>> >> pete...@gmail.com <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 8:18:54 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
>> >> >> Young People Read Old Hugo Finalists: Child of All Ages by P. J.
>Plauger
>> >> >>
>> >> >> https://youngpeoplereadoldsff.com/story/child-of-all-ages
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The Young People read and react to Plauger's tale of an ageless child.
>> >> >
>> >> >I recall reading this as a teenager, and quite liking it. At that time,
>> >> >I identified with the girl.
>> >> >
>> >> >I suspect that if I read it now for the first time, I'd identify with
>> >> >the father, and have a different take on it.
>> >> >
>> >> >The suck fairy can be cruel.
>> >> >
>> >> If you liked "Child of All Ages" perhaps you will like some of Plauger's
>> >> other works such as _Elements Of Programming Style_ & _Software Tools_ :-)
>> >
>> >I have both books.
>> >
>> As I recall, he also wrote a good short novel that was only published
>> in an experimental paperback "extra" issue of Analog. (The other story
>> from that I remember is Spider Robinson's "Half An Oaf").
>
>I believe he self-published all of his old stories a few years ago --
>http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?3011

Ah!

Looks like the short novel was _Fighting Madness_ and it's not in the
collection I think you mean, but apparently is available separately:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B013F1ZF9G
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On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 3:27:52 PM UTC-4, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> In article <5846b378-5902-4ae6...@googlegroups.com>,
> Ahasuerus <ahas...@email.com> wrote:
> >On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 3:07:01 PM UTC-4, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> >> In article <fb4b0375-2054-41fe...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> pete...@gmail.com <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:49:03 AM UTC-4, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> >> >> In article <b074b707-b2ee-43f2...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> >> pete...@gmail.com <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 8:18:54 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
> >> >> >> Young People Read Old Hugo Finalists: Child of All Ages by P. J.
> >Plauger
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> https://youngpeoplereadoldsff.com/story/child-of-all-ages
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The Young People read and react to Plauger's tale of an ageless child.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I recall reading this as a teenager, and quite liking it. At that time,
> >> >> >I identified with the girl.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I suspect that if I read it now for the first time, I'd identify with
> >> >> >the father, and have a different take on it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The suck fairy can be cruel.
> >> >> >
> >> >> If you liked "Child of All Ages" perhaps you will like some of Plauger's
> >> >> other works such as _Elements Of Programming Style_ & _Software Tools_ :-)
> >> >
> >> >I have both books.
> >> >
> >> As I recall, he also wrote a good short novel that was only published
> >> in an experimental paperback "extra" issue of Analog. (The other story
> >> from that I remember is Spider Robinson's "Half An Oaf").
> >
> >I believe he self-published all of his old stories a few years ago --
> >http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?3011
> Ah!
>
> Looks like the short novel was _Fighting Madness_ and it's not in the
> collection I think you mean, but apparently is available separately:
>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B013F1ZF9G

Yup, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?21868 . The note field says:

"According to the author's introduction to the 2015 edition of this
novel, the 1976 version of the text referred to then-imaginary
"President Clinton". The author changed it to "President Callaghan"
in the 2015 edition."

It's almost like reality tries to mess up perfectly good fantasy!

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On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:02:56 PM UTC-4, Paul S Person wrote:
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> I wonder which he will be known for in 100 years time: the fiction or
> the programming books.

I would firmly and without hesitation say the programming books. Hell,
just the "Programming On Purpose" paradigm helped me understand
the career I was getting into.

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 by: Gary R. Schmidt - Wed, 6 Apr 2022 01:58 UTC

On 06/04/2022 04:59, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:49:03 AM UTC-4, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
>> In article <b074b707-b2ee-43f2...@googlegroups.com>,
>> pete...@gmail.com <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 8:18:54 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
>>>> Young People Read Old Hugo Finalists: Child of All Ages by P. J. Plauger
>>>>
>>>> https://youngpeoplereadoldsff.com/story/child-of-all-ages
>>>>
>>>> The Young People read and react to Plauger's tale of an ageless child.
>>>
>>> I recall reading this as a teenager, and quite liking it. At that time,
>>> I identified
>>> with the girl.
>>>
>>> I suspect that if I read it now for the first time, I'd identify with
>>> the father,
>>> and have a different take on it.
>>>
>>> The suck fairy can be cruel.
>>>
>>> pt
>> If you liked "Child of All Ages" perhaps you will like some of Plauger's
>> other works such as _Elements Of Programming Style_ & _Software Tools_ :-)
>
> I have both books.
>
I suspect many of us have them - mine are in that box over /there/,
under those other boxes.

Fallible memory is prompting me to say he founded "Whitesmiths" to
produce C compilers, I recall using it to cross-compile stuff on VAXen
for MC68K boards. It was crap. Greenhills was a much better compiler
for the 68K.

Cheers,
Gary B-)

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 by: ted@loft.tnolan.com - Wed, 6 Apr 2022 03:16 UTC

In article <im8vhi-su5.ln1@paranoia.mcleod-schmidt.id.au>,
Gary R. Schmidt <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:
>On 06/04/2022 04:59, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:49:03 AM UTC-4, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
>>> In article <b074b707-b2ee-43f2...@googlegroups.com>,
>>> pete...@gmail.com <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 8:18:54 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
>>>>> Young People Read Old Hugo Finalists: Child of All Ages by P. J. Plauger
>>>>>
>>>>> https://youngpeoplereadoldsff.com/story/child-of-all-ages
>>>>>
>>>>> The Young People read and react to Plauger's tale of an ageless child.
>>>>
>>>> I recall reading this as a teenager, and quite liking it. At that time,
>>>> I identified
>>>> with the girl.
>>>>
>>>> I suspect that if I read it now for the first time, I'd identify with
>>>> the father,
>>>> and have a different take on it.
>>>>
>>>> The suck fairy can be cruel.
>>>>
>>>> pt
>>> If you liked "Child of All Ages" perhaps you will like some of Plauger's
>>> other works such as _Elements Of Programming Style_ & _Software Tools_ :-)
>>
>> I have both books.
>>
>I suspect many of us have them - mine are in that box over /there/,
>under those other boxes.
>
>Fallible memory is prompting me to say he founded "Whitesmiths" to
>produce C compilers, I recall using it to cross-compile stuff on VAXen
>for MC68K boards. It was crap. Greenhills was a much better compiler
>for the 68K.
>

I don't know about the code quality, but Whitesmith's I/O library predated
the standardization of printf() et al in stdio.h so it was completely
different to use.
--
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 by: Gary R. Schmidt - Wed, 6 Apr 2022 05:53 UTC

On 06/04/2022 13:16, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> In article <im8vhi-su5.ln1@paranoia.mcleod-schmidt.id.au>,
> Gary R. Schmidt <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:
>> On 06/04/2022 04:59, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:49:03 AM UTC-4, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
>>>> In article <b074b707-b2ee-43f2...@googlegroups.com>,
>>>> pete...@gmail.com <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 8:18:54 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
>>>>>> Young People Read Old Hugo Finalists: Child of All Ages by P. J. Plauger
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://youngpeoplereadoldsff.com/story/child-of-all-ages
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Young People read and react to Plauger's tale of an ageless child.
>>>>>
>>>>> I recall reading this as a teenager, and quite liking it. At that time,
>>>>> I identified
>>>>> with the girl.
>>>>>
>>>>> I suspect that if I read it now for the first time, I'd identify with
>>>>> the father,
>>>>> and have a different take on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The suck fairy can be cruel.
>>>>>
>>>>> pt
>>>> If you liked "Child of All Ages" perhaps you will like some of Plauger's
>>>> other works such as _Elements Of Programming Style_ & _Software Tools_ :-)
>>>
>>> I have both books.
>>>
>> I suspect many of us have them - mine are in that box over /there/,
>> under those other boxes.
>>
>> Fallible memory is prompting me to say he founded "Whitesmiths" to
>> produce C compilers, I recall using it to cross-compile stuff on VAXen
>> for MC68K boards. It was crap. Greenhills was a much better compiler
>> for the 68K.
>>
>
> I don't know about the code quality, but Whitesmith's I/O library predated
> the standardization of printf() et al in stdio.h so it was completely
> different to use.

Oh, that's right! Something I was very glad to have completely
forgotten about!!! ;-)

Cheers,
Gary B-)

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 by: Andy Leighton - Wed, 6 Apr 2022 11:34 UTC

On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 17:26:36 -0700 (PDT),
Ross Presser <rpresser@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:02:56 PM UTC-4, Paul S Person wrote:
> [about P. J. Plauger]
>> I wonder which he will be known for in 100 years time: the fiction or
>> the programming books.
>
> I would firmly and without hesitation say the programming books. Hell,
> just the "Programming On Purpose" paradigm helped me understand
> the career I was getting into.

I remember going to a talk he gave in Oxford (probably on some aspect
of C++) around 17 years ago and bringing a 1974 issue of Analog
(containing Dark Lantern) for him to sign afterwards. He was a little
surprised by that.

--
Andy Leighton => andyl@azaal.plus.com
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On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 8:59:09 PM UTC-5, grschm...@gmail.com wrote:

> Fallible memory is prompting me to say he founded "Whitesmiths" to
> produce C compilers, I recall using it to cross-compile stuff on VAXen
> for MC68K boards. It was crap. Greenhills was a much better compiler
> for the 68K.

I used Whitesmiths indentation style for a long time until I started working on a big software project at Megacorp and had to work to the project coding style for C++ which used Allman style indentation. Then the company devised a Coding Standard based on that so every C++ and C# project I was on used that style. Which I suppose is the purpose of having such a thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indentation_style#Whitesmiths_style
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indentation_style#Allman_style

Brian

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 by: Thomas Koenig - Mon, 11 Apr 2022 16:58 UTC

Default User <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> schrieb:
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 8:59:09 PM UTC-5, grschm...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Fallible memory is prompting me to say he founded "Whitesmiths" to
>> produce C compilers, I recall using it to cross-compile stuff on VAXen
>> for MC68K boards. It was crap. Greenhills was a much better compiler
>> for the 68K.
>

> I used Whitesmiths indentation style for a long time until I
> started working on a big software project at Megacorp and had to
> work to the project coding style for C++ which used Allman style
> indentation. Then the company devised a Coding Standard based on
> that so every C++ and C# project I was on used that style. Which
> I suppose is the purpose of having such a thing.

At least, with clang-format, it is now possible to properly
re-indent code.

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 by: Scott Lurndal - Mon, 11 Apr 2022 17:20 UTC

Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> writes:
>Default User <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> schrieb:
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 8:59:09 PM UTC-5, grschm...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Fallible memory is prompting me to say he founded "Whitesmiths" to
>>> produce C compilers, I recall using it to cross-compile stuff on VAXen
>>> for MC68K boards. It was crap. Greenhills was a much better compiler
>>> for the 68K.
>>
>
>> I used Whitesmiths indentation style for a long time until I
>> started working on a big software project at Megacorp and had to
>> work to the project coding style for C++ which used Allman style
>> indentation. Then the company devised a Coding Standard based on
>> that so every C++ and C# project I was on used that style. Which
>> I suppose is the purpose of having such a thing.
>
>At least, with clang-format, it is now possible to properly
>re-indent code.

K&R style is the only real indentation style :-)

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 by: Ross Presser - Mon, 11 Apr 2022 18:51 UTC

On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 1:20:23 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Thomas Koenig <tko...@netcologne.de> writes:
> >Default User <defaul...@yahoo.com> schrieb:
> >> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 8:59:09 PM UTC-5, grschm...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >>> Fallible memory is prompting me to say he founded "Whitesmiths" to
> >>> produce C compilers, I recall using it to cross-compile stuff on VAXen
> >>> for MC68K boards. It was crap. Greenhills was a much better compiler
> >>> for the 68K.
> >>
> >
> >> I used Whitesmiths indentation style for a long time until I
> >> started working on a big software project at Megacorp and had to
> >> work to the project coding style for C++ which used Allman style
> >> indentation. Then the company devised a Coding Standard based on
> >> that so every C++ and C# project I was on used that style. Which
> >> I suppose is the purpose of having such a thing.
> >
> >At least, with clang-format, it is now possible to properly
> >re-indent code.
> K&R style is the only real indentation style :-)

What is this "indentation" you speak of? ASCII characters TAB, CR and LF
have no more meaning in C than SPACE. :-D

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Mon, 11 Apr 2022 19:07 UTC

On 4/11/2022 4:25 AM, Default User wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 8:59:09 PM UTC-5, grschm...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Fallible memory is prompting me to say he founded "Whitesmiths" to
>> produce C compilers, I recall using it to cross-compile stuff on VAXen
>> for MC68K boards. It was crap. Greenhills was a much better compiler
>> for the 68K.
>
> I used Whitesmiths indentation style for a long time until I started working on a big software project at Megacorp and had to work to the project coding style for C++ which used Allman style indentation. Then the company devised a Coding Standard based on that so every C++ and C# project I was on used that style. Which I suppose is the purpose of having such a thing.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indentation_style#Whitesmiths_style
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indentation_style#Allman_style
>
> Brian

I use Allman style with indented comments.

Lynn

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In article <t31u8o$9g2$1@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 4/11/2022 4:25 AM, Default User wrote:
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 8:59:09 PM UTC-5, grschm...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Fallible memory is prompting me to say he founded "Whitesmiths" to
>>> produce C compilers, I recall using it to cross-compile stuff on VAXen
>>> for MC68K boards. It was crap. Greenhills was a much better compiler
>>> for the 68K.
>>
>> I used Whitesmiths indentation style for a long time until I started
>working on a big software project at Megacorp and had to work to the
>project coding style for C++ which used Allman style indentation. Then
>the company devised a Coding Standard based on that so every C++ and C#
>project I was on used that style. Which I suppose is the purpose of
>having such a thing.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indentation_style#Whitesmiths_style
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indentation_style#Allman_style
>>
>> Brian
>
>I use Allman style with indented comments.
>
>Lynn
>

I use Allman style with 30 minute extended jams..
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ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) writes:
>In article <t31u8o$9g2$1@dont-email.me>,
>Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On 4/11/2022 4:25 AM, Default User wrote:

>>>
>>> I used Whitesmiths indentation style for a long time until I started
>>working on a big software project at Megacorp and had to work to the
>>project coding style for C++ which used Allman style indentation. Then
>>the company devised a Coding Standard based on that so every C++ and C#
>>project I was on used that style. Which I suppose is the purpose of
>>having such a thing.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indentation_style#Whitesmiths_style
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indentation_style#Allman_style
>>>
>>> Brian
>>
>>I use Allman style with indented comments.
>>
>>Lynn
>>
>
>I use Allman style with 30 minute extended jams..

Which was followed by the excellent Trucks/Haynes style....

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On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 11:51:30 -0700 (PDT), Ross Presser
<rpresser@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 1:20:23 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Thomas Koenig <tko...@netcologne.de> writes:
>> >Default User <defaul...@yahoo.com> schrieb:
>> >> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 8:59:09 PM UTC-5, grschm...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Fallible memory is prompting me to say he founded "Whitesmiths" to
>> >>> produce C compilers, I recall using it to cross-compile stuff on VAXen
>> >>> for MC68K boards. It was crap. Greenhills was a much better compiler
>> >>> for the 68K.
>> >>
>> >
>> >> I used Whitesmiths indentation style for a long time until I
>> >> started working on a big software project at Megacorp and had to
>> >> work to the project coding style for C++ which used Allman style
>> >> indentation. Then the company devised a Coding Standard based on
>> >> that so every C++ and C# project I was on used that style. Which
>> >> I suppose is the purpose of having such a thing.
>> >
>> >At least, with clang-format, it is now possible to properly
>> >re-indent code.
>> K&R style is the only real indentation style :-)
>
>What is this "indentation" you speak of? ASCII characters TAB, CR and LF
>have no more meaning in C than SPACE. :-D

One of the features of Python is that indentation is significant. This
is fine if one works exclusively in Python, but I find that Hilarity
often Ensues when going back to another language after a marathon
coding session in Python.

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On 4/11/2022 10:20 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> writes:
>> Default User <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> schrieb:
>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 8:59:09 PM UTC-5, grschm...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fallible memory is prompting me to say he founded "Whitesmiths" to
>>>> produce C compilers, I recall using it to cross-compile stuff on VAXen
>>>> for MC68K boards. It was crap. Greenhills was a much better compiler
>>>> for the 68K.
>>>
>>
>>> I used Whitesmiths indentation style for a long time until I
>>> started working on a big software project at Megacorp and had to
>>> work to the project coding style for C++ which used Allman style
>>> indentation. Then the company devised a Coding Standard based on
>>> that so every C++ and C# project I was on used that style. Which
>>> I suppose is the purpose of having such a thing.
>>
>> At least, with clang-format, it is now possible to properly
>> re-indent code.
>
> K&R style is the only real indentation style :-)
>
Not the Hammer Method?

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On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 11:58:41 AM UTC-5, Thomas Koenig wrote:

> At least, with clang-format, it is now possible to properly
> re-indent code.

Tools have definitely improved over the years. One of the reasons I liked Whitesmiths and disliked K&R when I was starting was that I would print out source and use a ruler to draw lines down the code blocks to look for missing, extra, or misaligned braces.

Brian

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Default User <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> writes:
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>> re-indent code.
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>ng, extra, or misaligned braces.

vi could find the matching brace automatically. vim even highlights the matching brace
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