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 by: Scott Lurndal - Thu, 14 Apr 2022 16:18 UTC

Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
>On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 07:59:14 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
><rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wednesday, 13 April 2022 at 18:54:01 UTC+1, Thomas Koenig wrote:
>>> Michael F. Stemper <michael...@gmail.com> schrieb:
>>> > On 13/04/2022 01.02, Thomas Koenig wrote:
>>> >> Gary R. Schmidt <grsc...@acm.org> schrieb:
>>> >>> On 13/04/2022 09:03, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
>>> >>>> On 2022-04-12, Ted Nolan <tednolan> <t...@loft.tnolan.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> Yep, on a FreeBSD laptop right now using *real* vi -- none of this vim nonsense
>>> >>>>> I have to use on Linux.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> That's actually nvi and not "real vi".
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Original vi, updated to build on modern systems, is available on
>>> >>>> FreeBSD as a port/package. Look for "2bsd-vi".
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Anyway, as everybody knows, the standard Unix editor is ed(1).
>>> >>>>
>>> >>> No, it's "cat - > abc" :-)
>>> >>
>>> >> What's that minus sign doing there?
>>> >
>>> > If you're not being facetious, here's a line from the man page:
>>> >
>>> > With no FILE, or when FILE is -, read standard input.
>>> So, why specify it at all? It's not the UNIX way (and "cat
>>> coming back from Berkeley waving flags" was one of the things that
>>> Kernighan complained about, IIRC).
>>
>>I have very limited UNIX and Linux knowledge,
>>but, if you can't set parameter one as \- instead
>>of no parameter, then how do you indicate that
>>parameter two is not parameter one? Or, if a
>>wrapper program expects you to set required
>>parameters and then say "go", setting - indicates
>>that "I didn't forget to set this parameter", which
>>!would be inferred from leaving it blank.
>
>Not all parameters are required.
>
>The code parsing the parameters is expected to figure it out.
>
>In this case, it isn't /that/ hard to test for "-" as the first
>parameter, note what that means, reset the start of the parameter
>list, and move on from there.

Or just use getopt(3).

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scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:
>Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
>>On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 07:59:14 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
>><rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wednesday, 13 April 2022 at 18:54:01 UTC+1, Thomas Koenig wrote:
>>>> Michael F. Stemper <michael...@gmail.com> schrieb:
>>>> > On 13/04/2022 01.02, Thomas Koenig wrote:
>>>> >> Gary R. Schmidt <grsc...@acm.org> schrieb:
>>>> >>> On 13/04/2022 09:03, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
>>>> >>>> On 2022-04-12, Ted Nolan <tednolan> <t...@loft.tnolan.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> Yep, on a FreeBSD laptop right now using *real* vi -- none of this vim nonsense
>>>> >>>>> I have to use on Linux.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> That's actually nvi and not "real vi".
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Original vi, updated to build on modern systems, is available on
>>>> >>>> FreeBSD as a port/package. Look for "2bsd-vi".
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Anyway, as everybody knows, the standard Unix editor is ed(1).
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>> No, it's "cat - > abc" :-)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> What's that minus sign doing there?
>>>> >
>>>> > If you're not being facetious, here's a line from the man page:
>>>> >
>>>> > With no FILE, or when FILE is -, read standard input.
>>>> So, why specify it at all? It's not the UNIX way (and "cat
>>>> coming back from Berkeley waving flags" was one of the things that
>>>> Kernighan complained about, IIRC).
>>>
>>>I have very limited UNIX and Linux knowledge,
>>>but, if you can't set parameter one as \- instead
>>>of no parameter, then how do you indicate that
>>>parameter two is not parameter one? Or, if a
>>>wrapper program expects you to set required
>>>parameters and then say "go", setting - indicates
>>>that "I didn't forget to set this parameter", which
>>>!would be inferred from leaving it blank.
>>
>>Not all parameters are required.
>>
>>The code parsing the parameters is expected to figure it out.
>>
>>In this case, it isn't /that/ hard to test for "-" as the first
>>parameter, note what that means, reset the start of the parameter
>>list, and move on from there.
>
>Or just use getopt(3).

Light reading for those who are interested.

Utility Argument Syntax:

https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/basedefs/V1_chap12.html#tag_12_01

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Thu, 14 Apr 2022 20:28 UTC

On 4/14/2022 12:09 AM, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
> On 14/04/2022 04:04, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 4/12/2022 10:51 PM, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
>>> On 13/04/2022 07:06, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
>>>> On 11/04/2022 22.02, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
>>>>> On 12/04/2022 11:16, James Nicoll wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I still use vi...
>>>>>
>>>>> Some of my UNIX systems only have vi, but that's because
>>>>> $(CORPORATION)/$(BANK)/$(GOVERNMENT_DEPARTMENT) spent so very,
>>>>> very, very much with IBM or HP or Sun that they intend to run those
>>>>> machines until there is only rust left on the Data Centre floor.
>>>>> (Not that they don't do the same with Linux or Winderrs, I have to
>>>>> keep RHEL5 and W2K3 boxes alive (and off the network) just for
>>>>> them. At least I got rid of the Solaris 2.5 (yes, 2.5, not 2.5.1)
>>>>> boxes in 2015.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Although recent Solaris versions have vim as a replacement for vi:
>>>>> $ ll /bin/vi
>>>>>     1 lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root           3 Jul 14  2019 /bin/vi
>>>>> -> vim*
>>>>>
>>>>> Anything that doesn't have vi/vim on it that will be around for
>>>>> more than five minutes gets vim installed quick smart!  (And Cygwin
>>>>> if it's Winderrs.)
>>>>
>>>> I even used vi on DOS.
>>>>
>>> It was part of a UNIX toolkit that I remember getting back then -
>>> can't remember the name now, but it had a real tar that would access
>>> floppies correctly, and awk and sed and pack and ed and a proper sh
>>> and all the goodies.
>>>
>>> And being 16-bit, it was very like being on Version 7 on a PDP-11!!  :-)
>>>
>>>      Cheers,
>>>          Gary    B-)
>>
>> Probably The Thompson Toolkit which was written in 16 assembly for
>> speed.  And then ported to 32 bit assembly, for speed.  I still use it
>> on Windows.  It is about a 100 times faster than cygwin.
>>     http://www.tasoft.com/
>>
> Might be, but I'd have to dig out a copy of the "C User's Journal" or
> the like from the boxes of journals - and I don't, off the top of my
> head, recall if I kept them.
> Probably went with all the CACM and SIGSOFT and the like when I moved at
> the end of last century.  (But I *did* keep my copy of CALGO with the
> microfiche sheets, I wonder who's got a reader these days??  ;-) )
>
>     Cheers,
>         Gary    B-)

I threw away my "C User's Journal" years ago when it was moved into Dr.
Dobbs. They promised to put all the articles into PDF files on Dr.
Dobbs website and like a fool, I believed them.

Lynn

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 by: ted@loft.tnolan.com - Thu, 14 Apr 2022 22:01 UTC

In article <t3a04l$1mr$1@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 4/14/2022 12:09 AM, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
>> On 14/04/2022 04:04, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> On 4/12/2022 10:51 PM, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
>>>> On 13/04/2022 07:06, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
>>>>> On 11/04/2022 22.02, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/04/2022 11:16, James Nicoll wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I still use vi...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some of my UNIX systems only have vi, but that's because
>>>>>> $(CORPORATION)/$(BANK)/$(GOVERNMENT_DEPARTMENT) spent so very,
>>>>>> very, very much with IBM or HP or Sun that they intend to run those
>>>>>> machines until there is only rust left on the Data Centre floor.
>>>>>> (Not that they don't do the same with Linux or Winderrs, I have to
>>>>>> keep RHEL5 and W2K3 boxes alive (and off the network) just for
>>>>>> them. At least I got rid of the Solaris 2.5 (yes, 2.5, not 2.5.1)
>>>>>> boxes in 2015.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Although recent Solaris versions have vim as a replacement for vi:
>>>>>> $ ll /bin/vi
>>>>>>     1 lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root           3
>Jul 14  2019 /bin/vi
>>>>>> -> vim*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anything that doesn't have vi/vim on it that will be around for
>>>>>> more than five minutes gets vim installed quick smart!  (And Cygwin
>>>>>> if it's Winderrs.)
>>>>>
>>>>> I even used vi on DOS.
>>>>>
>>>> It was part of a UNIX toolkit that I remember getting back then -
>>>> can't remember the name now, but it had a real tar that would access
>>>> floppies correctly, and awk and sed and pack and ed and a proper sh
>>>> and all the goodies.
>>>>
>>>> And being 16-bit, it was very like being on Version 7 on a PDP-11!!  :-)
>>>>
>>>>      Cheers,
>>>>          Gary    B-)
>>>
>>> Probably The Thompson Toolkit which was written in 16 assembly for
>>> speed.  And then ported to 32 bit assembly, for speed.  I still use it
>>> on Windows.  It is about a 100 times faster than cygwin.
>>>     http://www.tasoft.com/
>>>
>> Might be, but I'd have to dig out a copy of the "C User's Journal" or
>> the like from the boxes of journals - and I don't, off the top of my
>> head, recall if I kept them.
>> Probably went with all the CACM and SIGSOFT and the like when I moved at
>> the end of last century.  (But I *did* keep my copy of CALGO with the
>> microfiche sheets, I wonder who's got a reader these days??  ;-) )
>>
>>     Cheers,
>>         Gary    B-)
>
>I threw away my "C User's Journal" years ago when it was moved into Dr.
>Dobbs. They promised to put all the articles into PDF files on Dr.
>Dobbs website and like a fool, I believed them.
>
>Lynn

Somewhere, presumably in a box on my carport, I have a copy of _The C
Programming Language_ with a personal quote and autograph from Ritchie.
--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Sat, 16 Apr 2022 04:32 UTC

On 4/5/2022 8:48 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> In article <b074b707-b2ee-43f2-b076-1f05fd3961can@googlegroups.com>,
> pete...@gmail.com <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 8:18:54 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
>>> Young People Read Old Hugo Finalists: Child of All Ages by P. J. Plauger
>>>
>>> https://youngpeoplereadoldsff.com/story/child-of-all-ages
>>>
>>> The Young People read and react to Plauger's tale of an ageless child.
>>
>> I recall reading this as a teenager, and quite liking it. At that time,
>> I identified
>> with the girl.
>>
>> I suspect that if I read it now for the first time, I'd identify with
>> the father,
>> and have a different take on it.
>>
>> The suck fairy can be cruel.
>>
>> pt
>
> If you liked "Child of All Ages" perhaps you will like some of Plauger's
> other works such as _Elements Of Programming Style_ & _Software Tools_ :-)

That P. J. Plauger ! https://plauger.com/

I have said many bad words over his Standard Template Library
implementation in Visual C++ 6. My team and I ported our 250,000 line
Smalltalk Win16 app to C++ Win32 and ran into a really nasty bug in VC6.
The problem was in VC6, not the Dinkumware implementation. P. J.
Plauger and I corresponded quite a bit getting around the problem,
Microsoft did not care at all. He answered all his email fairly quickly.

Lynn

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Sat, 16 Apr 2022 04:36 UTC

On 4/14/2022 5:01 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> In article <t3a04l$1mr$1@dont-email.me>,
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 4/14/2022 12:09 AM, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
>>> On 14/04/2022 04:04, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>> On 4/12/2022 10:51 PM, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
>>>>> On 13/04/2022 07:06, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/04/2022 22.02, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
>>>>>>> On 12/04/2022 11:16, James Nicoll wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I still use vi...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some of my UNIX systems only have vi, but that's because
>>>>>>> $(CORPORATION)/$(BANK)/$(GOVERNMENT_DEPARTMENT) spent so very,
>>>>>>> very, very much with IBM or HP or Sun that they intend to run those
>>>>>>> machines until there is only rust left on the Data Centre floor.
>>>>>>> (Not that they don't do the same with Linux or Winderrs, I have to
>>>>>>> keep RHEL5 and W2K3 boxes alive (and off the network) just for
>>>>>>> them. At least I got rid of the Solaris 2.5 (yes, 2.5, not 2.5.1)
>>>>>>> boxes in 2015.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Although recent Solaris versions have vim as a replacement for vi:
>>>>>>> $ ll /bin/vi
>>>>>>>     1 lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root           3
>> Jul 14  2019 /bin/vi
>>>>>>> -> vim*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anything that doesn't have vi/vim on it that will be around for
>>>>>>> more than five minutes gets vim installed quick smart!  (And Cygwin
>>>>>>> if it's Winderrs.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I even used vi on DOS.
>>>>>>
>>>>> It was part of a UNIX toolkit that I remember getting back then -
>>>>> can't remember the name now, but it had a real tar that would access
>>>>> floppies correctly, and awk and sed and pack and ed and a proper sh
>>>>> and all the goodies.
>>>>>
>>>>> And being 16-bit, it was very like being on Version 7 on a PDP-11!!  :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>      Cheers,
>>>>>          Gary    B-)
>>>>
>>>> Probably The Thompson Toolkit which was written in 16 assembly for
>>>> speed.  And then ported to 32 bit assembly, for speed.  I still use it
>>>> on Windows.  It is about a 100 times faster than cygwin.
>>>>     http://www.tasoft.com/
>>>>
>>> Might be, but I'd have to dig out a copy of the "C User's Journal" or
>>> the like from the boxes of journals - and I don't, off the top of my
>>> head, recall if I kept them.
>>> Probably went with all the CACM and SIGSOFT and the like when I moved at
>>> the end of last century.  (But I *did* keep my copy of CALGO with the
>>> microfiche sheets, I wonder who's got a reader these days??  ;-) )
>>>
>>>     Cheers,
>>>         Gary    B-)
>>
>> I threw away my "C User's Journal" years ago when it was moved into Dr.
>> Dobbs. They promised to put all the articles into PDF files on Dr.
>> Dobbs website and like a fool, I believed them.
>>
>> Lynn
>
> Somewhere, presumably in a box on my carport, I have a copy of _The C
> Programming Language_ with a personal quote and autograph from Ritchie.

I worked through every sample code in that book in 1987 when I got
Borland Turbo C. The book was invaluable, especially in explaining
pointers. My son stole my copy and worked through it also.

Lynn

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