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 by: Lynn McGuire - Tue, 19 Apr 2022 17:27 UTC

On 4/19/2022 12:15 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
> news:fipt5htq5kq8thugh7a41s6d2e4h956km3@4ax.com:
>
>> On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 19:41:23 -0700 (PDT), Default User
>> <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 10:12:36 PM UTC-5, Joe Pfeiffer
>>> wrote:
>>>> Default User <defaul...@yahoo.com> writes:
>>>>> While certainly far from perfect, I find the recommendations
>>>>> to be reasonably aligned with my history and interests. Many
>>>>> I have investigated further.
>>>>>
>>>> The frequency with which they will serve up ads for directly
>>>> competing products immediately after I've bought something is
>>>> amazing.
>>>
>>> I'm sure it's mostly automated, but some of the things that
>>> aren't consumables probably don't need an immediate subsequent
>>> purchase. I bought an car battery charger from them. After that,
>>> they recommended several somewhat different ones.
>>
>> We may not have Artificial Intelligence, but we clearly /do/
>> have Artificial Stupidity.
>
> We've had that for many years. It used to be called "an MBA."

Those amazing young men and women with their spreadsheets that will
predict all kinds of rosy things about the future if you just follow
their advice.

And then reality interferes with their predictions that go beyond
measured knowledge and the whole thing blows up.

Lynn

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 by: J. Clarke - Tue, 19 Apr 2022 18:07 UTC

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 09:42:05 -0700, Paul S Person
<psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

>On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 19:41:23 -0700 (PDT), Default User
><defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 10:12:36 PM UTC-5, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
>>> Default User <defaul...@yahoo.com> writes:
>>> > While certainly far from perfect, I find the recommendations to be reasonably aligned with my history and interests. Many I have investigated further.
>>> >
>>> The frequency with which they will serve up ads for directly competing
>>> products immediately after I've bought something is amazing.
>>
>>I'm sure it's mostly automated, but some of the things that aren't consumables probably don't need an immediate subsequent purchase. I bought an car battery charger from them. After that, they recommended several somewhat different ones.
>
>We may not have Artificial Intelligence, but we clearly /do/ have
>Artificial Stupidity.

In descending order:
Human intelligence
Animal intelligence
Military intelligence
Artificial intelligence

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 by: Ted Nolan - Tue, 19 Apr 2022 18:27 UTC

In article <lhut5hh5c25d5orpm35r1shsk9fe4mdalp@4ax.com>,
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 09:42:05 -0700, Paul S Person
><psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 19:41:23 -0700 (PDT), Default User
>><defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 10:12:36 PM UTC-5, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
>>>> Default User <defaul...@yahoo.com> writes:
>>>> > While certainly far from perfect, I find the recommendations to be
>reasonably aligned with my history and interests. Many I have
>investigated further.
>>>> >
>>>> The frequency with which they will serve up ads for directly competing
>>>> products immediately after I've bought something is amazing.
>>>
>>>I'm sure it's mostly automated, but some of the things that aren't
>consumables probably don't need an immediate subsequent purchase. I
>bought an car battery charger from them. After that, they recommended
>several somewhat different ones.
>>
>>We may not have Artificial Intelligence, but we clearly /do/ have
>>Artificial Stupidity.
>
>In descending order:
> Human intelligence
> Animal intelligence
> Military intelligence
> Artificial intelligence

I recall Artificial Stupids were a fixture in Michael Flynn's "Firestar"
series.

And then there's youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8fJPvXyfc0

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 by: Jibini Kula Tumbili - Tue, 19 Apr 2022 18:51 UTC

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote in
news:t3mrdk$l5m$1@dont-email.me:

> On 4/19/2022 12:15 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>> Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>> news:fipt5htq5kq8thugh7a41s6d2e4h956km3@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 19:41:23 -0700 (PDT), Default User
>>> <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 10:12:36 PM UTC-5, Joe Pfeiffer
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Default User <defaul...@yahoo.com> writes:
>>>>>> While certainly far from perfect, I find the
>>>>>> recommendations to be reasonably aligned with my history
>>>>>> and interests. Many I have investigated further.
>>>>>>
>>>>> The frequency with which they will serve up ads for directly
>>>>> competing products immediately after I've bought something
>>>>> is amazing.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure it's mostly automated, but some of the things that
>>>> aren't consumables probably don't need an immediate
>>>> subsequent purchase. I bought an car battery charger from
>>>> them. After that, they recommended several somewhat different
>>>> ones.
>>>
>>> We may not have Artificial Intelligence, but we clearly /do/
>>> have Artificial Stupidity.
>>
>> We've had that for many years. It used to be called "an MBA."
>
> Those amazing young men and women with their spreadsheets that
> will predict all kinds of rosy things about the future if you
> just follow their advice.
>
> And then reality interferes with their predictions that go
> beyond measured knowledge and the whole thing blows up.
>
And, of course, marketing droids, who simply do not live in the
same reality as us at all.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

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 by: Jibini Kula Tumbili - Tue, 19 Apr 2022 18:56 UTC

J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in
news:lhut5hh5c25d5orpm35r1shsk9fe4mdalp@4ax.com:

> On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 09:42:05 -0700, Paul S Person
> <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 19:41:23 -0700 (PDT), Default User
>><defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 10:12:36 PM UTC-5, Joe Pfeiffer
>>>wrote:
>>>> Default User <defaul...@yahoo.com> writes:
>>>> > While certainly far from perfect, I find the
>>>> > recommendations to be reasonably aligned with my history
>>>> > and interests. Many I have investigated further.
>>>> >
>>>> The frequency with which they will serve up ads for directly
>>>> competing products immediately after I've bought something is
>>>> amazing.
>>>
>>>I'm sure it's mostly automated, but some of the things that
>>>aren't consumables probably don't need an immediate subsequent
>>>purchase. I bought an car battery charger from them. After
>>>that, they recommended several somewhat different ones.
>>
>>We may not have Artificial Intelligence, but we clearly /do/
>>have Artificial Stupidity.
>
> In descending order:
> Human intelligence
> Animal intelligence
> Military intelligence
> Artificial intelligence
>
And, at the bottom, Liberals.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Tue, 19 Apr 2022 19:26 UTC

On 4/17/2022 3:35 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 23:53:23 -0500, Lynn McGuire
> <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 4/16/2022 6:00 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> In article <jc0adsFolelU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Amazon certainly pitches "finds" at me, and they have a decent track
>>>> record. Certainly I never would have ended up with a lot of what
>>>> I've read in the last few years any other way.
>>>
>>> They used to pitch "finds" at me, *N*O*N*E* of which I was ever
>>> interested in buying. Their algorithm seemed to consist of "Oh,
>>> you bought Book X from us, that was science fiction, we recommend
>>> you also buy Books A, B, C, D, through about U, which are our
>>> current best-sellers classified as science fiction."
>>>
>>> One, maybe, of which I might have picked up in The Other Change
>>> of Hobbit (sit illae terra levis) and put down again, and the rest
>>> of which were written by writers I don't read or whose reviews I
>>> had read on this group and concluded, "Well, James liked it, but
>>> I don't think I would, and I'm not going to gamble its purchase
>>> price on it, or maybe just "Ewww."
>>>
>>> But they haven't sent me any suggestions in years. Perhaps it's
>>> been too long since I bought any of their best-sellers. The few
>>> I've bought in recent years, I saw reviewed elsewhere, such as
>>> _Auntie's War,_ about the BBC during WW2, and _The Ghost Map_,
>>> about the cholera outbreak in London in 1854, that was quelled by
>>> removing a single pump handle (fascinating, but not for the
>>> squeamish).
>>
>> CBS / Paramount has a new series called "Ghosts" about a young couple
>> rehabbing an upper New York State mansion the wife inherited and she can
>> see the ghosts "living" on the property. There are a bunch of Cholera
>> victim ghosts "living" in the basement. They yell at her husband every
>> time he works on the water heater. They would be funny but, cholera
>> victims.
>> https://www.cbs.com/shows/ghosts/
>>
>> The actress playing the wife was the former lead of iZombie and many
>> other works since she was 5 (The Piano).
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_McIver
>
> You _had_ to give me a reason to look didn't you. Just couldn't
> resist.
>>
>> Lynn

If have not binged the five seasons of iZombie on Netflix then sounds
like you need to take a week off and do some serious couch surfing.
Took me six months of here and there due to there being 71 episodes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IZombie_(TV_series)

Lynn

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 by: Dimensional Traveler - Tue, 19 Apr 2022 20:53 UTC

On 4/19/2022 9:42 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 19:41:23 -0700 (PDT), Default User
> <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 10:12:36 PM UTC-5, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
>>> Default User <defaul...@yahoo.com> writes:
>>>> While certainly far from perfect, I find the recommendations to be reasonably aligned with my history and interests. Many I have investigated further.
>>>>
>>> The frequency with which they will serve up ads for directly competing
>>> products immediately after I've bought something is amazing.
>>
>> I'm sure it's mostly automated, but some of the things that aren't consumables probably don't need an immediate subsequent purchase. I bought an car battery charger from them. After that, they recommended several somewhat different ones.
>
> We may not have Artificial Intelligence, but we clearly /do/ have
> Artificial Stupidity.

But even that doesn't sink to the lows that natural human stupidity can. ;)

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

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 by: Jay E. Morris - Tue, 19 Apr 2022 21:06 UTC

On 4/18/2022 9:41 PM, Default User wrote:
> On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 10:12:36 PM UTC-5, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
>> Default User <defaul...@yahoo.com> writes:
>>> While certainly far from perfect, I find the recommendations to be reasonably aligned with my history and interests. Many I have investigated further.
>>>
>> The frequency with which they will serve up ads for directly competing
>> products immediately after I've bought something is amazing.
>
> I'm sure it's mostly automated, but some of the things that aren't consumables probably don't need an immediate subsequent purchase. I bought an car battery charger from them. After that, they recommended several somewhat different ones.
>
> Brian

You can remove items from consideration for recommendation.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=GWXKS5URFHJUVUDN

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 by: Jibini Kula Tumbili - Tue, 19 Apr 2022 22:07 UTC

Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote in
news:t3n7fk$hrm$3@dont-email.me:

> On 4/19/2022 9:42 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 19:41:23 -0700 (PDT), Default User
>> <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 10:12:36 PM UTC-5, Joe Pfeiffer
>>> wrote:
>>>> Default User <defaul...@yahoo.com> writes:
>>>>> While certainly far from perfect, I find the recommendations
>>>>> to be reasonably aligned with my history and interests. Many
>>>>> I have investigated further.
>>>>>
>>>> The frequency with which they will serve up ads for directly
>>>> competing products immediately after I've bought something is
>>>> amazing.
>>>
>>> I'm sure it's mostly automated, but some of the things that
>>> aren't consumables probably don't need an immediate subsequent
>>> purchase. I bought an car battery charger from them. After
>>> that, they recommended several somewhat different ones.
>>
>> We may not have Artificial Intelligence, but we clearly /do/
>> have Artificial Stupidity.
>
> But even that doesn't sink to the lows that natural human
> stupidity can. ;)
>
I have seen "artificual stupid" used as a label for what are more
commonly called "expert systems." Not AI even by the obscenely loose
definitions of the industry, but tuned to one very specific task.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

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 by: J. Clarke - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 01:55 UTC

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 14:26:26 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 4/17/2022 3:35 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 23:53:23 -0500, Lynn McGuire
>> <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/16/2022 6:00 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>> In article <jc0adsFolelU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Amazon certainly pitches "finds" at me, and they have a decent track
>>>>> record. Certainly I never would have ended up with a lot of what
>>>>> I've read in the last few years any other way.
>>>>
>>>> They used to pitch "finds" at me, *N*O*N*E* of which I was ever
>>>> interested in buying. Their algorithm seemed to consist of "Oh,
>>>> you bought Book X from us, that was science fiction, we recommend
>>>> you also buy Books A, B, C, D, through about U, which are our
>>>> current best-sellers classified as science fiction."
>>>>
>>>> One, maybe, of which I might have picked up in The Other Change
>>>> of Hobbit (sit illae terra levis) and put down again, and the rest
>>>> of which were written by writers I don't read or whose reviews I
>>>> had read on this group and concluded, "Well, James liked it, but
>>>> I don't think I would, and I'm not going to gamble its purchase
>>>> price on it, or maybe just "Ewww."
>>>>
>>>> But they haven't sent me any suggestions in years. Perhaps it's
>>>> been too long since I bought any of their best-sellers. The few
>>>> I've bought in recent years, I saw reviewed elsewhere, such as
>>>> _Auntie's War,_ about the BBC during WW2, and _The Ghost Map_,
>>>> about the cholera outbreak in London in 1854, that was quelled by
>>>> removing a single pump handle (fascinating, but not for the
>>>> squeamish).
>>>
>>> CBS / Paramount has a new series called "Ghosts" about a young couple
>>> rehabbing an upper New York State mansion the wife inherited and she can
>>> see the ghosts "living" on the property. There are a bunch of Cholera
>>> victim ghosts "living" in the basement. They yell at her husband every
>>> time he works on the water heater. They would be funny but, cholera
>>> victims.
>>> https://www.cbs.com/shows/ghosts/
>>>
>>> The actress playing the wife was the former lead of iZombie and many
>>> other works since she was 5 (The Piano).
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_McIver
>>
>> You _had_ to give me a reason to look didn't you. Just couldn't
>> resist.
>>>
>>> Lynn
>
>If have not binged the five seasons of iZombie on Netflix then sounds
>like you need to take a week off and do some serious couch surfing.
>Took me six months of here and there due to there being 71 episodes.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IZombie_(TV_series)

Why do you think Rose McIver is a reason for me to look? I didn't
binge it, I saw it all in first run.

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On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 15:07:35 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
<taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:

>Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote in
>news:t3n7fk$hrm$3@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 4/19/2022 9:42 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>>> On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 19:41:23 -0700 (PDT), Default User
>>> <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 10:12:36 PM UTC-5, Joe Pfeiffer
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Default User <defaul...@yahoo.com> writes:
>>>>>> While certainly far from perfect, I find the recommendations
>>>>>> to be reasonably aligned with my history and interests. Many
>>>>>> I have investigated further.
>>>>>>
>>>>> The frequency with which they will serve up ads for directly
>>>>> competing products immediately after I've bought something is
>>>>> amazing.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure it's mostly automated, but some of the things that
>>>> aren't consumables probably don't need an immediate subsequent
>>>> purchase. I bought an car battery charger from them. After
>>>> that, they recommended several somewhat different ones.
>>>
>>> We may not have Artificial Intelligence, but we clearly /do/
>>> have Artificial Stupidity.
>>
>> But even that doesn't sink to the lows that natural human
>> stupidity can. ;)
>>
>I have seen "artificual stupid" used as a label for what are more
>commonly called "expert systems." Not AI even by the obscenely loose
>definitions of the industry, but tuned to one very specific task.

IIRC, it /used/ to work this way:

AI was whatever the AI researchers were currently working on
When they succeeded, it was no longer AI -- it was Engineering
<repeat endlessly, new item each time>

so that there is no such thing as AI except as the /current/ object of
study by AI researchers. In particular, there are /no/ AI
applications, because the research is done and they are not AI any
more.

Well, at least it's a clear definition ... you just have to find out
what the AI researchers are working on and, voila!, AI.

But perhaps things have changed ...
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

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 by: Ahasuerus - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 17:05 UTC

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 1:27:12 PM UTC-4, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
> On 18/04/2022 21.41, Default User wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 10:12:36 PM UTC-5, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> >> Default User <defaul...@yahoo.com> writes:
> >>> While certainly far from perfect, I find the recommendations
> >>> to be reasonably aligned with my history and interests. Many
> >>> I have investigated further.
> >>>
> >> The frequency with which they will serve up ads for directly competing
> >> products immediately after I've bought something is amazing.
> >
> > I'm sure it's mostly automated, but some of the things that aren't
> > consumables probably don't need an immediate subsequent
> > purchase. I bought an car battery charger from them. After that,
> > they recommended several somewhat different ones.
> Yeah, after I bought a bracket to wall-mount my TV, they kept
> recommending more of them for months.

I suppose it made more sense back when Amazon primarily sold
books. "You have purchased 3 space operas since January. Can
we interest you in another one?" is a reasonable question to ask.

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 by: Jibini Kula Tumbili - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 18:21 UTC

Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
news:0fd06h1gdcmtdvin3temavrd7k6o0rp0r1@4ax.com:

> On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 15:07:35 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
> Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote in
>>news:t3n7fk$hrm$3@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 4/19/2022 9:42 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 19:41:23 -0700 (PDT), Default User
>>>> <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 10:12:36 PM UTC-5, Joe Pfeiffer
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Default User <defaul...@yahoo.com> writes:
>>>>>>> While certainly far from perfect, I find the
>>>>>>> recommendations to be reasonably aligned with my history
>>>>>>> and interests. Many I have investigated further.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The frequency with which they will serve up ads for
>>>>>> directly competing products immediately after I've bought
>>>>>> something is amazing.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure it's mostly automated, but some of the things that
>>>>> aren't consumables probably don't need an immediate
>>>>> subsequent purchase. I bought an car battery charger from
>>>>> them. After that, they recommended several somewhat
>>>>> different ones.
>>>>
>>>> We may not have Artificial Intelligence, but we clearly /do/
>>>> have Artificial Stupidity.
>>>
>>> But even that doesn't sink to the lows that natural human
>>> stupidity can. ;)
>>>
>>I have seen "artificual stupid" used as a label for what are
>>more commonly called "expert systems." Not AI even by the
>>obscenely loose definitions of the industry, but tuned to one
>>very specific task.
>
> IIRC, it /used/ to work this way:
>
> AI was whatever the AI researchers were currently working on
> When they succeeded, it was no longer AI -- it was Engineering
> <repeat endlessly, new item each time>
>
> so that there is no such thing as AI except as the /current/
> object of study by AI researchers. In particular, there are /no/
> AI applications, because the research is done and they are not
> AI any more.
>
> Well, at least it's a clear definition ... you just have to find
> out what the AI researchers are working on and, voila!, AI.
>
> But perhaps things have changed ...

The term has been co-opted by marketing droids who have shares of
stock to sell. It's nothing more than a buzzword now.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

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 by: Thomas Koenig - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 22:26 UTC

Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> schrieb:

> We may not have Artificial Intelligence, but we clearly /do/ have
> Artificial Stupidity.

I have also seen great advantages in Artificial Impertinence.

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