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 by: Lynn McGuire - Fri, 13 May 2022 20:11 UTC

xkcd: Crêpe
https://www.xkcd.com/2619/

I love crêpes ! My Dad, myself, my son, and three of my nephews stood
at a fancy crêpe stand and ate about 20 to 30 of them in Paris by the
Eiffel Tower back in 2009. We had a lot more fun than standing in that
hours long line to ride the Eiffel Tower elevator.

And funky non-ASCII characters are tough on us programmers.

Explained at:
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2619:_Cr%C3%AApe

Lynn

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 by: Alan - Fri, 13 May 2022 20:12 UTC

On 2022-05-13 1:11 p.m., Lynn McGuire wrote:
> xkcd: Crêpe
>    https://www.xkcd.com/2619/
>
> I love crêpes !  My Dad, myself, my son, and three of my nephews stood
> at a fancy crêpe stand and ate about 20 to 30 of them in Paris by the
> Eiffel Tower back in 2009.  We had a lot more fun than standing in that
> hours long line to ride the Eiffel Tower elevator.
>
> And funky non-ASCII characters are tough on us programmers.

They were...

....about a million years ago.

>
> Explained at:
>    https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2619:_Cr%C3%AApe
>
> Lynn

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Fri, 13 May 2022 20:20 UTC

On 5/13/2022 3:12 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-05-13 1:11 p.m., Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> xkcd: Crêpe
>>     https://www.xkcd.com/2619/
>>
>> I love crêpes !  My Dad, myself, my son, and three of my nephews stood
>> at a fancy crêpe stand and ate about 20 to 30 of them in Paris by the
>> Eiffel Tower back in 2009.  We had a lot more fun than standing in
>> that hours long line to ride the Eiffel Tower elevator.
>>
>> And funky non-ASCII characters are tough on us programmers.
>
> They were...
>
> ...about a million years ago.
>
>>
>> Explained at:
>>     https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2619:_Cr%C3%AApe
>>
>> Lynn

I should have said old school programmers with a lot of Fortran code. I
have 850,000 lines of Fortran 77 in my calculation engine.

Lynn

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 by: J. Clarke - Fri, 13 May 2022 21:32 UTC

On Fri, 13 May 2022 15:20:56 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 5/13/2022 3:12 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-05-13 1:11 p.m., Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> xkcd: Crêpe
>>>     https://www.xkcd.com/2619/
>>>
>>> I love crêpes !  My Dad, myself, my son, and three of my nephews stood
>>> at a fancy crêpe stand and ate about 20 to 30 of them in Paris by the
>>> Eiffel Tower back in 2009.  We had a lot more fun than standing in
>>> that hours long line to ride the Eiffel Tower elevator.
>>>
>>> And funky non-ASCII characters are tough on us programmers.
>>
>> They were...
>>
>> ...about a million years ago.
>>
>>>
>>> Explained at:
>>>     https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2619:_Cr%C3%AApe
>>>
>>> Lynn
>
>I should have said old school programmers with a lot of Fortran code. I
>have 850,000 lines of Fortran 77 in my calculation engine.

APL is nearly as old-school as Fortran, and funky non-ASCII characters
abound.

Nice thing about Windows--if you routinely use another language that
uses a different character set, just install the keyboard map for that
language. Dyalog even handles APL through that mechanism.

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 by: John W Kennedy - Fri, 13 May 2022 22:26 UTC

On 5/13/22 4:11 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> xkcd: Crêpe
>    https://www.xkcd.com/2619/
>
> I love crêpes !  My Dad, myself, my son, and three of my nephews stood
> at a fancy crêpe stand and ate about 20 to 30 of them in Paris by the
> Eiffel Tower back in 2009.  We had a lot more fun than standing in that
> hours long line to ride the Eiffel Tower elevator.
>
> And funky non-ASCII characters are tough on us programmers.
>
> Explained at:
>    https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2619:_Cr%C3%AApe
>
> Lynn

Well, this mess isn’t even a Unicode character. And, on my Mac, I can’t
even fake it by putting a combining circumflex over a combining inverted
breve over the e, though it ought to work in theory. (I tried both
straight output to the command-line window and a trivial SwiftUI app.)

--
John W. Kennedy
Algernon Burbage, Lord Roderick, Father Martin, Bishop Baldwin,
King Pellinore, Captain Bailey, Merlin -- A Kingdom for a Stage!

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Sat, 14 May 2022 03:28 UTC

On 5/13/2022 5:26 PM, John W Kennedy wrote:
> On 5/13/22 4:11 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> xkcd: Crêpe
>>     https://www.xkcd.com/2619/
>>
>> I love crêpes !  My Dad, myself, my son, and three of my nephews stood
>> at a fancy crêpe stand and ate about 20 to 30 of them in Paris by the
>> Eiffel Tower back in 2009.  We had a lot more fun than standing in
>> that hours long line to ride the Eiffel Tower elevator.
>>
>> And funky non-ASCII characters are tough on us programmers.
>>
>> Explained at:
>>     https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2619:_Cr%C3%AApe
>>
>> Lynn
>
> Well, this mess isn’t even a Unicode character. And, on my Mac, I can’t
> even fake it by putting a combining circumflex over a combining inverted
> breve over the e, though it ought to work in theory. (I tried both
> straight output to the command-line window and a trivial SwiftUI app.)

So you are saying that the ê is not a Unicode character ? Or are you
talking about the little hat over the e ?

Lynn

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Sat, 14 May 2022 04:55 UTC

On 5/13/2022 4:32 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Fri, 13 May 2022 15:20:56 -0500, Lynn McGuire
> <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/13/2022 3:12 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-13 1:11 p.m., Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>> xkcd: Crêpe
>>>>     https://www.xkcd.com/2619/
>>>>
>>>> I love crêpes !  My Dad, myself, my son, and three of my nephews stood
>>>> at a fancy crêpe stand and ate about 20 to 30 of them in Paris by the
>>>> Eiffel Tower back in 2009.  We had a lot more fun than standing in
>>>> that hours long line to ride the Eiffel Tower elevator.
>>>>
>>>> And funky non-ASCII characters are tough on us programmers.
>>>
>>> They were...
>>>
>>> ...about a million years ago.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Explained at:
>>>>     https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2619:_Cr%C3%AApe
>>>>
>>>> Lynn
>>
>> I should have said old school programmers with a lot of Fortran code. I
>> have 850,000 lines of Fortran 77 in my calculation engine.
>
> APL is nearly as old-school as Fortran, and funky non-ASCII characters
> abound.
>
> Nice thing about Windows--if you routinely use another language that
> uses a different character set, just install the keyboard map for that
> language. Dyalog even handles APL through that mechanism.

My Dad used APL in the 1960s trying to control a refinery cat-cracker
using an IBM 360. He kinda got it working and wrote his PhD Chem
Engineering thesis on it. He got his PhD from Princeton in three years
because of that.

Lynn

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 by: Dorothy J Heydt - Sat, 14 May 2022 14:33 UTC

In article <t5me2e$u7k$1@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>xkcd: Crêpe
> https://www.xkcd.com/2619/
>
>I love crêpes ! My Dad, myself, my son, and three of my nephews stood
>at a fancy crêpe stand and ate about 20 to 30 of them in Paris by the
>Eiffel Tower back in 2009. We had a lot more fun than standing in that
>hours long line to ride the Eiffel Tower elevator.
>
>And funky non-ASCII characters are tough on us programmers.

And on us non-programmers who can't turn
backslash-x-alpha-numeric into something we don't have to guess
from context.
>

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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 by: John W Kennedy - Sat, 14 May 2022 21:07 UTC

On 5/13/22 11:28 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 5/13/2022 5:26 PM, John W Kennedy wrote:
>> On 5/13/22 4:11 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> xkcd: Crêpe
>>>     https://www.xkcd.com/2619/
>>>
>>> I love crêpes !  My Dad, myself, my son, and three of my nephews
>>> stood at a fancy crêpe stand and ate about 20 to 30 of them in Paris
>>> by the Eiffel Tower back in 2009.  We had a lot more fun than
>>> standing in that hours long line to ride the Eiffel Tower elevator.
>>>
>>> And funky non-ASCII characters are tough on us programmers.
>>>
>>> Explained at:
>>>     https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2619:_Cr%C3%AApe
>>>
>>> Lynn
>>
>> Well, this mess isn’t even a Unicode character. And, on my Mac, I
>> can’t even fake it by putting a combining circumflex over a combining
>> inverted breve over the e, though it ought to work in theory. (I tried
>> both straight output to the command-line window and a trivial SwiftUI
>> app.)
>
> So you are saying that the ê is not a Unicode character ?  Or are you
> talking about the little hat over the e ?
>
> Lynn

It’s not a proper Ê. It either E with an inverted breve above it (Ȇ) and
a circumflex ^ above the inverted breve, or else it’s an E with a tiny A
(or a Starfleet A badge or even a simple 2-D line drawing of Duke, the
Java mascot) above it.

On further research, I find that the three-part E+ ̑+ ̂ combination works
on my Mac with in a trivial SwiftUI app if I use Arial as the font.

--
John W. Kennedy
Algernon Burbage, Lord Roderick, Father Martin, Bishop Baldwin,
King Pellinore, Captain Bailey, Merlin -- A Kingdom for a Stage!

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Sat, 14 May 2022 21:31 UTC

On 5/14/2022 9:33 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <t5me2e$u7k$1@dont-email.me>,
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>> xkcd: Crêpe
>> https://www.xkcd.com/2619/
>>
>> I love crêpes ! My Dad, myself, my son, and three of my nephews stood
>> at a fancy crêpe stand and ate about 20 to 30 of them in Paris by the
>> Eiffel Tower back in 2009. We had a lot more fun than standing in that
>> hours long line to ride the Eiffel Tower elevator.
>>
>> And funky non-ASCII characters are tough on us programmers.
>
> And on us non-programmers who can't turn
> backslash-x-alpha-numeric into something we don't have to guess
> from context.

What, you don't have over 100,000 characters memorized, such as ♖.
https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U2600.pdf

Lynn

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 by: Dorothy J Heydt - Sun, 15 May 2022 01:54 UTC

In article <t5ncnu$jer$1@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>My Dad used APL in the 1960s trying to control a refinery cat-cracker
>using an IBM 360.

Ok, I am certain that the refinery was not cracking felines.
The ASPCA would have complained. What does "cat-" stand for in
this instance?

>He kinda got it working and wrote his PhD Chem
>Engineering thesis on it. He got his PhD from Princeton in three years
>because of that.

Good for him.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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 by: Dorothy J Heydt - Sun, 15 May 2022 01:58 UTC

In article <t5p732$ag7$1@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 5/14/2022 9:33 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <t5me2e$u7k$1@dont-email.me>,
>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> xkcd: Crêpe
>>> https://www.xkcd.com/2619/
>>>
>>> I love crêpes ! My Dad, myself, my son, and three of my nephews stood
>>> at a fancy crêpe stand and ate about 20 to 30 of them in Paris by the
>>> Eiffel Tower back in 2009. We had a lot more fun than standing in that
>>> hours long line to ride the Eiffel Tower elevator.
>>>
>>> And funky non-ASCII characters are tough on us programmers.
>>
>> And on us non-programmers who can't turn
>> backslash-x-alpha-numeric into something we don't have to guess
>> from context.
>
>What, you don't have over 100,000 characters memorized, such as ♖.
> https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U2600.pdf

Nope. I did have one memorized around fifteen years ago, so I
could quote words in Elvish with their vowel-length marks. But
that was fifteen years ago, and I seem to have forgotten it.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Sun, 15 May 2022 02:23 UTC

On 5/14/2022 8:54 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <t5ncnu$jer$1@dont-email.me>,
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> My Dad used APL in the 1960s trying to control a refinery cat-cracker
>> using an IBM 360.
>
> Ok, I am certain that the refinery was not cracking felines.
> The ASPCA would have complained. What does "cat-" stand for in
> this instance?
>
>> He kinda got it working and wrote his PhD Chem
>> Engineering thesis on it. He got his PhD from Princeton in three years
>> because of that.
>
> Good for him.

A refinery catalytic-cracker is a special type of reactor that mixes
catalysts in the vaporized crude oil stream using high pressure
compressors and cracks the long hydrocarbon chains into short
hydrocarbon chains for making diesel, jet fuel, and gasoline. Heavy
crude oils such as Venezuelan, South Texas, Saudi Heavy, Iranian Heavy,
etc need cracking in order to make use of the last 20 to 40% of the
barrel of oil.

Lynn

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Sun, 15 May 2022 02:27 UTC

On 5/14/2022 8:58 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <t5p732$ag7$1@dont-email.me>,
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 5/14/2022 9:33 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> In article <t5me2e$u7k$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> xkcd: Crêpe
>>>> https://www.xkcd.com/2619/
>>>>
>>>> I love crêpes ! My Dad, myself, my son, and three of my nephews stood
>>>> at a fancy crêpe stand and ate about 20 to 30 of them in Paris by the
>>>> Eiffel Tower back in 2009. We had a lot more fun than standing in that
>>>> hours long line to ride the Eiffel Tower elevator.
>>>>
>>>> And funky non-ASCII characters are tough on us programmers.
>>>
>>> And on us non-programmers who can't turn
>>> backslash-x-alpha-numeric into something we don't have to guess
>>> from context.
>>
>> What, you don't have over 100,000 characters memorized, such as ♖.
>> https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U2600.pdf
>
> Nope. I did have one memorized around fifteen years ago, so I
> could quote words in Elvish with their vowel-length marks. But
> that was fifteen years ago, and I seem to have forgotten it.

I'll be 62 in a couple of weeks. I now find it difficult to move back
and forth from C++ to Fortran and back to C++ in the same day now. I
suspect that this problem will get worse, not better over time.

Lynn

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 by: Dorothy J Heydt - Sun, 15 May 2022 04:09 UTC

In article <t5po7h$fjq$1@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 5/14/2022 8:54 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <t5ncnu$jer$1@dont-email.me>,
>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> My Dad used APL in the 1960s trying to control a refinery cat-cracker
>>> using an IBM 360.
>>
>> Ok, I am certain that the refinery was not cracking felines.
>> The ASPCA would have complained. What does "cat-" stand for in
>> this instance?
>>
>>> He kinda got it working and wrote his PhD Chem
>>> Engineering thesis on it. He got his PhD from Princeton in three years
>>> because of that.
>>
>> Good for him.
>
>A refinery catalytic-cracker is a special type of reactor that mixes
>catalysts in the vaporized crude oil stream using high pressure
>compressors and cracks the long hydrocarbon chains into short
>hydrocarbon chains for making diesel, jet fuel, and gasoline. Heavy
>crude oils such as Venezuelan, South Texas, Saudi Heavy, Iranian Heavy,
>etc need cracking in order to make use of the last 20 to 40% of the
>barrel of oil.

Thank you. Now I know.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> schrieb:
> In article <t5ncnu$jer$1@dont-email.me>,
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>My Dad used APL in the 1960s trying to control a refinery cat-cracker
>>using an IBM 360.
>
> Ok, I am certain that the refinery was not cracking felines.
> The ASPCA would have complained. What does "cat-" stand for in
> this instance?

"cat" is short for "catalytic".

Which reminds me of something that happened ~20 years ago. We were
discussing a chemically unstable catalyst, which decomposed.

A Belgian colleague was abbreviating "catalyst" with "cat", so
he talked about "cat decomposition" all the time, which evoked
some unpleasent pictures in my mind. At the end of the meeting,
I told him about this, and he has not used that particular term
since :-)

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 by: John W Kennedy - Sun, 15 May 2022 18:26 UTC

On 5/14/22 9:54 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <t5ncnu$jer$1@dont-email.me>,
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> My Dad used APL in the 1960s trying to control a refinery cat-cracker
>> using an IBM 360.
>
> Ok, I am certain that the refinery was not cracking felines.
> The ASPCA would have complained. What does "cat-" stand for in
> this instance?
>
>> He kinda got it working and wrote his PhD Chem
>> Engineering thesis on it. He got his PhD from Princeton in three years
>> because of that.
>
> Good for him.

Actually, APL was becoming very popular among accountants and the like
in the prehistoric days before VisiCalc (awaiting a cry from the Peanut
Gallery, “What’s Visicalc?”).

--
John W. Kennedy
Algernon Burbage, Lord Roderick, Father Martin, Bishop Baldwin,
King Pellinore, Captain Bailey, Merlin -- A Kingdom for a Stage!

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 by: Gary R. Schmidt - Mon, 16 May 2022 05:35 UTC

On 15/05/2022 07:07, John W Kennedy wrote:
> On 5/13/22 11:28 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 5/13/2022 5:26 PM, John W Kennedy wrote:
>>> On 5/13/22 4:11 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>> xkcd: Crêpe
>>>>     https://www.xkcd.com/2619/
>>>>
>>>> I love crêpes !  My Dad, myself, my son, and three of my nephews
>>>> stood at a fancy crêpe stand and ate about 20 to 30 of them in Paris
>>>> by the Eiffel Tower back in 2009.  We had a lot more fun than
>>>> standing in that hours long line to ride the Eiffel Tower elevator.
>>>>
>>>> And funky non-ASCII characters are tough on us programmers.
>>>>
>>>> Explained at:
>>>>     https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2619:_Cr%C3%AApe
>>>>
>>>> Lynn
>>>
>>> Well, this mess isn’t even a Unicode character. And, on my Mac, I
>>> can’t even fake it by putting a combining circumflex over a combining
>>> inverted breve over the e, though it ought to work in theory. (I
>>> tried both straight output to the command-line window and a trivial
>>> SwiftUI app.)
>>
>> So you are saying that the ê is not a Unicode character ?  Or are you
>> talking about the little hat over the e ?
>>
>> Lynn
>
> It’s not a proper Ê. It either E with an inverted breve above it (Ȇ) and
> a circumflex ^ above the inverted breve, or else it’s an E with a tiny A
> (or a Starfleet A badge or even a simple 2-D line drawing of Duke, the
> Java mascot) above it.
>
Do you often find your hair being parted as the joke whooshes by???

Cheers,
Gary B-)

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 by: J. Clarke - Mon, 16 May 2022 13:08 UTC

On Sun, 15 May 2022 14:26:48 -0400, John W Kennedy
<john.w.kennedy@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 5/14/22 9:54 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <t5ncnu$jer$1@dont-email.me>,
>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> My Dad used APL in the 1960s trying to control a refinery cat-cracker
>>> using an IBM 360.
>>
>> Ok, I am certain that the refinery was not cracking felines.
>> The ASPCA would have complained. What does "cat-" stand for in
>> this instance?
>>
>>> He kinda got it working and wrote his PhD Chem
>>> Engineering thesis on it. He got his PhD from Princeton in three years
>>> because of that.
>>
>> Good for him.
>
>Actually, APL was becoming very popular among accountants and the like
>in the prehistoric days before VisiCalc (awaiting a cry from the Peanut
>Gallery, “What’s Visicalc?”).

Right now a debate above my pay grade at my current employer is
whether to keep APL or move everything that is currently on APL to
another platform.

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Mon, 16 May 2022 20:12 UTC

On 5/16/2022 8:08 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Sun, 15 May 2022 14:26:48 -0400, John W Kennedy
> <john.w.kennedy@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/14/22 9:54 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> In article <t5ncnu$jer$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My Dad used APL in the 1960s trying to control a refinery cat-cracker
>>>> using an IBM 360.
>>>
>>> Ok, I am certain that the refinery was not cracking felines.
>>> The ASPCA would have complained. What does "cat-" stand for in
>>> this instance?
>>>
>>>> He kinda got it working and wrote his PhD Chem
>>>> Engineering thesis on it. He got his PhD from Princeton in three years
>>>> because of that.
>>>
>>> Good for him.
>>
>> Actually, APL was becoming very popular among accountants and the like
>> in the prehistoric days before VisiCalc (awaiting a cry from the Peanut
>> Gallery, “What’s Visicalc?”).
>
> Right now a debate above my pay grade at my current employer is
> whether to keep APL or move everything that is currently on APL to
> another platform.

I was not even aware that there was a current APL compiler.

Lynn

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Mon, 16 May 2022 20:14 UTC

On 5/16/2022 12:35 AM, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
> On 15/05/2022 07:07, John W Kennedy wrote:
>> On 5/13/22 11:28 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> On 5/13/2022 5:26 PM, John W Kennedy wrote:
>>>> On 5/13/22 4:11 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>> xkcd: Crêpe
>>>>>     https://www.xkcd.com/2619/
>>>>>
>>>>> I love crêpes !  My Dad, myself, my son, and three of my nephews
>>>>> stood at a fancy crêpe stand and ate about 20 to 30 of them in
>>>>> Paris by the Eiffel Tower back in 2009.  We had a lot more fun than
>>>>> standing in that hours long line to ride the Eiffel Tower elevator.
>>>>>
>>>>> And funky non-ASCII characters are tough on us programmers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Explained at:
>>>>>     https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2619:_Cr%C3%AApe
>>>>>
>>>>> Lynn
>>>>
>>>> Well, this mess isn’t even a Unicode character. And, on my Mac, I
>>>> can’t even fake it by putting a combining circumflex over a
>>>> combining inverted breve over the e, though it ought to work in
>>>> theory. (I tried both straight output to the command-line window and
>>>> a trivial SwiftUI app.)
>>>
>>> So you are saying that the ê is not a Unicode character ?  Or are you
>>> talking about the little hat over the e ?
>>>
>>> Lynn
>>
>> It’s not a proper Ê. It either E with an inverted breve above it (Ȇ)
>> and a circumflex ^ above the inverted breve, or else it’s an E with a
>> tiny A (or a Starfleet A badge or even a simple 2-D line drawing of
>> Duke, the Java mascot) above it.
>>
> Do you often find your hair being parted as the joke whooshes by???
>
>     Cheers,
>         Gary    B-)

Sorry, I did not intend a joke here. As a computer programmer, I find
Unicode both fascinating and horrifying.

Lynn

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 by: Quinn C - Mon, 16 May 2022 22:07 UTC

* John W Kennedy:

> On 5/13/22 11:28 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 5/13/2022 5:26 PM, John W Kennedy wrote:
>>> On 5/13/22 4:11 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>> xkcd: Crêpe
>>>>     https://www.xkcd.com/2619/
>>>>
>>>> I love crêpes !  My Dad, myself, my son, and three of my nephews
>>>> stood at a fancy crêpe stand and ate about 20 to 30 of them in Paris
>>>> by the Eiffel Tower back in 2009.  We had a lot more fun than
>>>> standing in that hours long line to ride the Eiffel Tower elevator.
>>>>
>>>> And funky non-ASCII characters are tough on us programmers.
>>>>
>>>> Explained at:
>>>>     https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2619:_Cr%C3%AApe
>>>>
>>>> Lynn
>>>
>>> Well, this mess isn’t even a Unicode character. And, on my Mac, I
>>> can’t even fake it by putting a combining circumflex over a combining
>>> inverted breve over the e, though it ought to work in theory. (I tried
>>> both straight output to the command-line window and a trivial SwiftUI
>>> app.)
>>
>> So you are saying that the ê is not a Unicode character ?  Or are you
>> talking about the little hat over the e ?
>>
>> Lynn
>
> It’s not a proper Ê. It either E with an inverted breve above it (Ȇ) and
> a circumflex ^ above the inverted breve, or else it’s an E with a tiny A
> (or a Starfleet A badge or even a simple 2-D line drawing of Duke, the
> Java mascot) above it.

My spontaneous interpretation was that it was a circumflex in an outline
font. I don't think we can combine a diacritic in an outline font with a
character in a different font, though.

--
Worf: You are not in my shoes.
Dax: Too bad. You'd be amazed at what I can do in a pair of size 18
boots.

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 by: J. Clarke - Tue, 17 May 2022 00:38 UTC

On Mon, 16 May 2022 15:12:54 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 5/16/2022 8:08 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 May 2022 14:26:48 -0400, John W Kennedy
>> <john.w.kennedy@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/14/22 9:54 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>> In article <t5ncnu$jer$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> My Dad used APL in the 1960s trying to control a refinery cat-cracker
>>>>> using an IBM 360.
>>>>
>>>> Ok, I am certain that the refinery was not cracking felines.
>>>> The ASPCA would have complained. What does "cat-" stand for in
>>>> this instance?
>>>>
>>>>> He kinda got it working and wrote his PhD Chem
>>>>> Engineering thesis on it. He got his PhD from Princeton in three years
>>>>> because of that.
>>>>
>>>> Good for him.
>>>
>>> Actually, APL was becoming very popular among accountants and the like
>>> in the prehistoric days before VisiCalc (awaiting a cry from the Peanut
>>> Gallery, “What’s Visicalc?”).
>>
>> Right now a debate above my pay grade at my current employer is
>> whether to keep APL or move everything that is currently on APL to
>> another platform.
>
>I was not even aware that there was a current APL compiler.

While there have been APL compilers in the past, they are aberrations.
APL has historically been an interpreted language and most APL code
expects that environment.

Current commercial implementations are APL+Win, APL2 (I think--it was
an IBM product and has been divested--I'm not sure that it's currently
being sold) and Dyalog. There are also the open-source Gnu APL and
NARS2000. Those are the ones that come to me off the top of my head.
Then there's the whole j universe.

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 by: J. Clarke - Tue, 17 May 2022 00:39 UTC

On Mon, 16 May 2022 15:14:51 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 5/16/2022 12:35 AM, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
>> On 15/05/2022 07:07, John W Kennedy wrote:
>>> On 5/13/22 11:28 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>> On 5/13/2022 5:26 PM, John W Kennedy wrote:
>>>>> On 5/13/22 4:11 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>> xkcd: Crêpe
>>>>>>     https://www.xkcd.com/2619/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I love crêpes !  My Dad, myself, my son, and three of my nephews
>>>>>> stood at a fancy crêpe stand and ate about 20 to 30 of them in
>>>>>> Paris by the Eiffel Tower back in 2009.  We had a lot more fun than
>>>>>> standing in that hours long line to ride the Eiffel Tower elevator.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And funky non-ASCII characters are tough on us programmers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Explained at:
>>>>>>     https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2619:_Cr%C3%AApe
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lynn
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, this mess isn’t even a Unicode character. And, on my Mac, I
>>>>> can’t even fake it by putting a combining circumflex over a
>>>>> combining inverted breve over the e, though it ought to work in
>>>>> theory. (I tried both straight output to the command-line window and
>>>>> a trivial SwiftUI app.)
>>>>
>>>> So you are saying that the ê is not a Unicode character ?  Or are you
>>>> talking about the little hat over the e ?
>>>>
>>>> Lynn
>>>
>>> It’s not a proper Ê. It either E with an inverted breve above it (?)
>>> and a circumflex ^ above the inverted breve, or else it’s an E with a
>>> tiny A (or a Starfleet A badge or even a simple 2-D line drawing of
>>> Duke, the Java mascot) above it.
>>>
>> Do you often find your hair being parted as the joke whooshes by???
>>
>>     Cheers,
>>         Gary    B-)
>
>Sorry, I did not intend a joke here. As a computer programmer, I find
>Unicode both fascinating and horrifying.

As implemented it's a bit wild-west, but it was necessary--you can't
handle Chinese with 8 bits.

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Tue, 17 May 2022 01:50 UTC

On 5/16/2022 7:39 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Mon, 16 May 2022 15:14:51 -0500, Lynn McGuire
> <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/16/2022 12:35 AM, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
>>> On 15/05/2022 07:07, John W Kennedy wrote:
>>>> On 5/13/22 11:28 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>> On 5/13/2022 5:26 PM, John W Kennedy wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/13/22 4:11 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>>> xkcd: Crêpe
>>>>>>>     https://www.xkcd.com/2619/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I love crêpes !  My Dad, myself, my son, and three of my nephews
>>>>>>> stood at a fancy crêpe stand and ate about 20 to 30 of them in
>>>>>>> Paris by the Eiffel Tower back in 2009.  We had a lot more fun than
>>>>>>> standing in that hours long line to ride the Eiffel Tower elevator.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And funky non-ASCII characters are tough on us programmers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Explained at:
>>>>>>>     https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2619:_Cr%C3%AApe
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lynn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, this mess isn’t even a Unicode character. And, on my Mac, I
>>>>>> can’t even fake it by putting a combining circumflex over a
>>>>>> combining inverted breve over the e, though it ought to work in
>>>>>> theory. (I tried both straight output to the command-line window and
>>>>>> a trivial SwiftUI app.)
>>>>>
>>>>> So you are saying that the ê is not a Unicode character ?  Or are you
>>>>> talking about the little hat over the e ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Lynn
>>>>
>>>> It’s not a proper Ê. It either E with an inverted breve above it (?)
>>>> and a circumflex ^ above the inverted breve, or else it’s an E with a
>>>> tiny A (or a Starfleet A badge or even a simple 2-D line drawing of
>>>> Duke, the Java mascot) above it.
>>>>
>>> Do you often find your hair being parted as the joke whooshes by???
>>>
>>>     Cheers,
>>>         Gary    B-)
>>
>> Sorry, I did not intend a joke here. As a computer programmer, I find
>> Unicode both fascinating and horrifying.
>
> As implemented it's a bit wild-west, but it was necessary--you can't
> handle Chinese with 8 bits.

Yes, you can with variable-width character encoding UTF-8. We are in
the middle of converting our software distribution to it. The Fortran
code is dicey at best though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-8

Lynn

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