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Here's something different, a look at two anthologies on my shelves, a CM Kornbluth collection and a compilation titled Bug Eyed Monsters co edited by Barry Malzberg. A train of thought the latter triggered in my mind is if the BEM concept was more like an in joke than anything else, or what would now be called a "dead unicorn" trope. Something I figured out since posting this, the illustrator Ruby Mazur who did the bonkers BEM was otherwise known for record album artwork that led to a feud with Mick Jagger.
https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2022/04/the-anthology-anthology-kornbluth.html
Something else I thought of posting when I linked to my Idiocracy review, a very good Kornbluth story titled Friend To Man has been on the Project Gutenberg public domain sites for a while, but only the Canadian incarnation. I wrote about it at some length in the post. I definitely consider it one of the author's best. Here's the direct link.
https://gutenberg.ca/ebooks/kornbluthcm-friendtoman/kornbluthcm-friendtoman-00-h.html
David N. Brwon
Mesa Arizona

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 by: Don - Sun, 24 Apr 2022 04:23 UTC

David Brown wrote:
> Here's something different, a look at two anthologies on my shelves, a
> CM Kornbluth collection and a compilation titled Bug Eyed Monsters coedited
> by Barry Malzberg. A train of thought the latter triggered in my mind is
> if the BEM concept was more like an in joke than anything else, or what
> would now be called a "dead unicorn" trope. Something I figured out since
> posting this, the illustrator Ruby Mazur who did the bonkers BEM was
> otherwise known for record album artwork that led to a feud with Mick Jagger.
> https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2022/04/the-anthology-anthology-kornbluth.html
> Something else I thought of posting when I linked to my Idiocracy review,
> a very good Kornbluth story titled Friend To Man has been on the Project
> Gutenberg public domain sites for a while, but only the Canadian incarnation.
> I wrote about it at some length in the post. I definitely consider it one
> of the author's best. Here's the direct link.
> https://gutenberg.ca/ebooks/kornbluthcm-friendtoman/kornbluthcm-friendtoman-00-h.html

_Best of CM Kornbluth_ [1] is a subset of _His Share of Glory_ [2]. The
latter Kornbluth collection was purchased by me years ago solely to sate
my curiosity about "Two Dooms."
"Friend to Man" isn't bad. But "Two Dooms" still reigns supreme from
my perspective. As an aside, "The Rocket of 1955" seems a snugly fit for
today's zeitgeist.

[1] http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35759
[2] http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?292026

Danke,

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Don wrote:
> David Brown wrote:
> > Here's something different, a look at two anthologies on my shelves, a
> > CM Kornbluth collection and a compilation titled Bug Eyed Monsters coedited
> > by Barry Malzberg.
> > https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2022/04/the-anthology-anthology-kornbluth.html

> _Best of CM Kornbluth_ [1] is a subset of _His Share of Glory_ [2]. The
> latter Kornbluth collection was purchased by me years ago solely to sate
> my curiosity about "Two Dooms."
> "Friend to Man" isn't bad. But "Two Dooms" still reigns supreme from
> my perspective. As an aside, "The Rocket of 1955" seems a snugly fit for
> today's zeitgeist.

Yes. Kornbluth is one of the _Best of..._s I missed, so this weekend I had the idea to simulate it by reading from _His Share_. Neither book simply orders the stories chronologically, so there must have been some thought put into which would flow best into each other for a reading experience -- which I would have ruined with _Best of_ and did ruin with _His Share_ by dipping in randomly, but to keep track with this project, I'm going by the ISFDB _Best of_ table of contents. I've gotten a third of the way in by page count, but had to stop to avoid Kornbluth overload.
Isn't "Rocket of 1955" just the ending of "Marching Morons"? or, rather, probably something that stuck in his mind and got used later. (One thing I didn't realize, "Little Black Bag" isn't so much set in the universe of "Marching Morons," but that "Morons" was a later elaboration of the background of "Bag.")

--
-Jack

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 by: David Brown - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 23:23 UTC

On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 9:23:51 PM UTC-7, Don wrote:
> David Brown wrote:
> > Here's something different, a look at two anthologies on my shelves, a
> > CM Kornbluth collection and a compilation titled Bug Eyed Monsters coedited
> > by Barry Malzberg. A train of thought the latter triggered in my mind is
> > if the BEM concept was more like an in joke than anything else, or what
> > would now be called a "dead unicorn" trope. Something I figured out since
> > posting this, the illustrator Ruby Mazur who did the bonkers BEM was
> > otherwise known for record album artwork that led to a feud with Mick Jagger.
> > https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2022/04/the-anthology-anthology-kornbluth.html
> > Something else I thought of posting when I linked to my Idiocracy review,
> > a very good Kornbluth story titled Friend To Man has been on the Project
> > Gutenberg public domain sites for a while, but only the Canadian incarnation.
> > I wrote about it at some length in the post. I definitely consider it one
> > of the author's best. Here's the direct link.
> > https://gutenberg.ca/ebooks/kornbluthcm-friendtoman/kornbluthcm-friendtoman-00-h.html
> _Best of CM Kornbluth_ [1] is a subset of _His Share of Glory_ [2]. The
> latter Kornbluth collection was purchased by me years ago solely to sate
> my curiosity about "Two Dooms."
> "Friend to Man" isn't bad. But "Two Dooms" still reigns supreme from
> my perspective. As an aside, "The Rocket of 1955" seems a snugly fit for
> today's zeitgeist.
>
> [1] http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35759
> [2] http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?292026
>
> Danke,
>
> --
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To me, the problem that holds back Two Dooms is the very weak alternate history scenario, which is dictated by the questionable and perhaps satirical scenario of the atom bomb being a decisive factor in the war. By any sound historical analysis, Germany in particular was facing certain defeat by 1944 or even 1943. The one thing that would have changed the outcome at that point would have been if they had agreed to one of the schemes to join the western Allies in a war with the Soviets. The one thing that kind of works is that there's no question that whatever really happened has clearly been lost to time and propaganda, so Kornbluth's own stated scenario remains one among many.

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 by: Don - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 03:51 UTC

Jack Bohn wrote:
> Don wrote:
>> David Brown wrote:
>> > Here's something different, a look at two anthologies on my shelves, a
>> > CM Kornbluth collection and a compilation titled Bug Eyed Monsters coedited
>> > by Barry Malzberg.
>> > https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2022/04/the-anthology-anthology-kornbluth.html
>
>> _Best of CM Kornbluth_ [1] is a subset of _His Share of Glory_ [2]. The
>> latter Kornbluth collection was purchased by me years ago solely to sate
>> my curiosity about "Two Dooms."
>> "Friend to Man" isn't bad. But "Two Dooms" still reigns supreme from
>> my perspective. As an aside, "The Rocket of 1955" seems a snugly fit for
>> today's zeitgeist.
>
> Yes. Kornbluth is one of the _Best of..._s I missed, so this weekend I had
> the idea to simulate it by reading from _His Share_. Neither book simply
> orders the stories chronologically, so there must have been some thought put
> into which would flow best into each other for a reading experience -- which
> I would have ruined with _Best of_ and did ruin with _His Share_ by dipping
> in randomly, but to keep track with this project, I'm going by the ISFDB
> _Best of_ table of contents. I've gotten a third of the way in by page
> count, but had to stop to avoid Kornbluth overload.
> Isn't "Rocket of 1955" just the ending of "Marching Morons"? or, rather,
> probably something that stuck in his mind and got used later. (One thing I
> didn't realize, "Little Black Bag" isn't so much set in the universe of
> "Marching Morons," but that "Morons" was a later elaboration of the background
> of "Bag.")

Kornbluth overload also happens to me. Every time someone mentions
Kornbluth, it motivates me to read a few more _His Share_ stories. But,
it inevitably becomes work, whereupon it's shelved until the next
go round.
In regards to "Morons" and "Rocket," both stories share similar
culminations. But they differ in the matter of motive. "Morons" mass
murders the Other out of spite.
While pure greed motivates "Rocket"'s bad behavior. And the pure
greed brings to mind today's "unicorn" grifters. In this context, a
"unicorn" is a person who becomes a billionaire after an Initial Public
Offering of stock. Take the Theranos trumpery, for example.

Danke,

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 by: Don - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 15:02 UTC

David Brown wrote:
> Don wrote:
>> David Brown wrote:
>> > Here's something different, a look at two anthologies on my shelves, a
>> > CM Kornbluth collection and a compilation titled Bug Eyed Monsters coedited
>> > by Barry Malzberg. A train of thought the latter triggered in my mind is
>> > if the BEM concept was more like an in joke than anything else, or what
>> > would now be called a "dead unicorn" trope. Something I figured out since

>> > posting this, the illustrator Ruby Mazur who did the bonkers BEM was
>> > otherwise known for record album artwork that led to a feud with Mick Jagger.
>> > https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2022/04/the-anthology-anthology-kornbluth.html
>> > Something else I thought of posting when I linked to my Idiocracy review,

>> > a very good Kornbluth story titled Friend To Man has been on the Project
>> > Gutenberg public domain sites for a while, but only the Canadian incarnation.
>> > I wrote about it at some length in the post. I definitely consider it one

>> > of the author's best. Here's the direct link.
>> > https://gutenberg.ca/ebooks/kornbluthcm-friendtoman/kornbluthcm-friendtoman-00-h.html
>> _Best of CM Kornbluth_ [1] is a subset of _His Share of Glory_ [2]. The
>> latter Kornbluth collection was purchased by me years ago solely to sate
>> my curiosity about "Two Dooms."
>> "Friend to Man" isn't bad. But "Two Dooms" still reigns supreme from
>> my perspective. As an aside, "The Rocket of 1955" seems a snugly fit for
>> today's zeitgeist.
>>
>> [1] http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35759
>> [2] http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?292026
>>
> To me, the problem that holds back Two Dooms is the very weak alternate
> history scenario, which is dictated by the questionable and perhaps satirical
> scenario of the atom bomb being a decisive factor in the war. By any sound
> historical analysis, Germany in particular was facing certain defeat by 1944
> or even 1943. The one thing that would have changed the outcome at that point
> would have been if they had agreed to one of the schemes to join the western
> Allies in a war with the Soviets. The one thing that kind of works is that
> there's no question that whatever really happened has clearly been lost to
> time and propaganda, so Kornbluth's own stated scenario remains one among many.

As you more-or-less imply, Kornbluth's implausible, awkward atomic
alternate history's harder to ignore than a sty in the eye of a guy at a
face-to-face. It's all but impossible to overlook an eyesore's stare.
Thankfully, the "Two Dooms" Aldous Huxley hook mitigates its awful
alternate history - for me. Medicine men who peddle peptidergic potions
to open doors of either perception or passage to other worlds is one of
my favorite fantasies.

Danke,

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