David Duffy <davidD@qimr.edu.au> wrote in
news:t4am8s$3k1$1@gioia.aioe.org:

> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>> On 4/26/2022 3:18 PM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 8:26:38 PM UTC-4, Dimensional
>>> Traveler wrote:
>>>> On 4/25/2022 4:19 PM, Jay E. Morris wrote:
>>>>> On 4/25/2022 10:35 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>>>> It was also believed that/everyone/ could understand
>>>>>> English -- if you were loud enough. One of my DVDs has an
>>>>>> "International Trailer" which differs only in that the
>>>>>> English narrative is boosted about 1000 times compared to
>>>>>> the domestic trailer. Thus making it "loud enough" to be
>>>>>> understood.
>>>>>
>>>>> SO IF I WANT TO INSURE THAT NON-ENGLISH SPEAKERS CAN
>>>>> UNDERSTAND MY MESSAGES....
>>>> That is the stereotype of American tourists, yes.
>>>
>>> In the Victorian period, it was the stereotype of *English*
>>> tourists on the Continent. Generally on a Cook's tour, being a
>>> 'Karen' to some bemused French innkeeper. If shouting loud
>>> enough didn't get the right reaction, the red faced son of
>>> Albion would threaten the nuclear option: He would 'write a
>>> letter to the Times!'
>>>
>>> Check Punch back issues for proof.
>>>
>> One suspects that the same could be said of Roman tourists. :)
>
> I still remember a hostel in the Netherlands where the
> receptionist was torturing a French tourist, asking loudly,
> "Speak English, please!"
>
Like the British and Americans, apparently, Norway and Denmark are
oen people separated by a common languge. "They talk funny."

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 6:18:47 PM UTC-4, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 8:26:38 PM UTC-4, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> > On 4/25/2022 4:19 PM, Jay E. Morris wrote:
> > > On 4/25/2022 10:35 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
> > >> It was also believed that/everyone/ could understand English -- if
> > >> you were loud enough. One of my DVDs has an "International Trailer"
> > >> which differs only in that the English narrative is boosted about 1000
> > >> times compared to the domestic trailer. Thus making it "loud enough"
> > >> to be understood.
> > >
> > > SO IF I WANT TO INSURE THAT NON-ENGLISH SPEAKERS CAN UNDERSTAND MY
> > > MESSAGES....
> > That is the stereotype of American tourists, yes.
> In the Victorian period, it was the stereotype of *English* tourists on the Continent.
> Generally on a Cook's tour, being a 'Karen' to some bemused French innkeeper. If
> shouting loud enough didn't get the right reaction, the red faced son of Albion would
> threaten the nuclear option: He would 'write a letter to the Times!'
>
> Check Punch back issues for proof.

I think that was more of a slam at the new middle class. French was compulsory in public schools, with even Churchill being able to ask Weygand in French what the hell he'd done with his reserves.

If you didn't speak French, you were clearly an upstart who went to a state school.

William Hyde

>David Duffy <davidD@qimr.edu.au> wrote in
>news:t4am8s$3k1$1@gioia.aioe.org:
>
>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>> On 4/26/2022 3:18 PM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In the Victorian period, [shouting] was the stereotype of *English*
>>>> tourists on the Continent. Generally on a Cook's tour, being a
>>>> 'Karen' to some bemused French innkeeper. If shouting loud
>>>> enough didn't get the right reaction, the red faced son of
>>>> Albion would threaten the nuclear option: He would 'write a
>>>> letter to the Times!'
>>>>
>>>> Check Punch back issues for proof.

I haven't any. If I could get to the UC Berkeley library, they
probably have some, but it's so difficult to get me out of the
house that that effort is reserved for medical appointments.
>>>>
>> I still remember a hostel in the Netherlands where the
>> receptionist was torturing a French tourist, asking loudly,
>> "Speak English, please!"

English is the closest thing we have in this era to a world
language.

>Like the British and Americans, apparently, Norway and Denmark are
>one people separated by a common languge. "They talk funny."

So I understand; the Norwegian will tell you the Dane speaks as
though he had a mouthful of potatoes.
>

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 2:57:02 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> >David Duffy <dav...@qimr.edu.au> wrote in
> >news:t4am8s$3k1$1...@gioia.aioe.org:
> >
> >> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
> >>> On 4/26/2022 3:18 PM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> In the Victorian period, [shouting] was the stereotype of *English*
> >>>> tourists on the Continent. Generally on a Cook's tour, being a
> >>>> 'Karen' to some bemused French innkeeper. If shouting loud
> >>>> enough didn't get the right reaction, the red faced son of
> >>>> Albion would threaten the nuclear option: He would 'write a
> >>>> letter to the Times!'
> >>>>
> >>>> Check Punch back issues for proof.
> I haven't any. If I could get to the UC Berkeley library, they
> probably have some, but it's so difficult to get me out of the
> house that that effort is reserved for medical appointments.
> >>>>
> >> I still remember a hostel in the Netherlands where the
> >> receptionist was torturing a French tourist, asking loudly,
> >> "Speak English, please!"
> English is the closest thing we have in this era to a world
> language.
> >Like the British and Americans, apparently, Norway and Denmark are
> >one people separated by a common languge. "They talk funny."
>
> So I understand; the Norwegian will tell you the Dane speaks as
> though he had a mouthful of potatoes.

At a meeting years ago I saw an Icelandic and a Danish scientist speaking in a language I didn't understand. I asked
another Dane which language they were using, Danish or Icelandic. She replied "both". The Dane was speaking
Danish, the other Icelandic.

Using my knowledge of English and then-knowledge of German I was able to get a few pages into LOTR in Norwegian. Of course, it helped that I knew what was going on. I wouldn't have gotten so far into Moby Dick (except the first sentence, of course).

William Hyde

djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
news:rB0HHF.1n5y@kithrup.com:

>>David Duffy <davidD@qimr.edu.au> wrote in
>>news:t4am8s$3k1$1@gioia.aioe.org:
>>
>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>> On 4/26/2022 3:18 PM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> In the Victorian period, [shouting] was the stereotype of
>>>>> *English* tourists on the Continent. Generally on a Cook's
>>>>> tour, being a 'Karen' to some bemused French innkeeper. If
>>>>> shouting loud enough didn't get the right reaction, the red
>>>>> faced son of Albion would threaten the nuclear option: He
>>>>> would 'write a letter to the Times!'
>>>>>
>>>>> Check Punch back issues for proof.
>
> I haven't any. If I could get to the UC Berkeley library, they
> probably have some, but it's so difficult to get me out of the
> house that that effort is reserved for medical appointments.
>>>>>
>>> I still remember a hostel in the Netherlands where the
>>> receptionist was torturing a French tourist, asking loudly,
>>> "Speak English, please!"
>
> English is the closest thing we have in this era to a world
> language.
>
>>Like the British and Americans, apparently, Norway and Denmark
>>are one people separated by a common languge. "They talk funny."
>
> So I understand; the Norwegian will tell you the Dane speaks as
> though he had a mouthful of potatoes.

And I'm sure the Dane will have similar sentiments about the
Norwegian. (And, as I understand it, the Icelanders will laugh at
both.)

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> At a meeting years ago I saw an Icelandic and a Danish scientist speaking in a language I didn't understand. I asked
> another Dane which language they were using, Danish or Icelandic. She replied "both". The Dane was speaking
> Danish, the other Icelandic.

The excellent _Stand Still. Stay Silent_ webcomic (now unfortunately
finished) had ongoing gags riffing on this. A similar story someone told
me was of two US physicists, one from California and the other from
Kentucky, with respective accents, talking at a conference. In a
Baltimore bank, we Australians _and_ the bank vice-president had no
idea what a Southerner was saying to us...

Cheers, David Duffy.

David Duffy <davidD@qimr.edu.au> wrote in
news:t4cg6v$13s5$1@gioia.aioe.org:

> William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> At a meeting years ago I saw an Icelandic and a Danish
>> scientist speaking in a language I didn't understand. I asked
>> another Dane which language they were using, Danish or
>> Icelandic. She replied "both". The Dane was speaking Danish,
>> the other Icelandic.
>
> The excellent _Stand Still. Stay Silent_ webcomic (now
> unfortunately finished) had ongoing gags riffing on this. A
> similar story someone told me was of two US physicists, one from
> California and the other from Kentucky, with respective accents,
> talking at a conference. In a Baltimore bank, we Australians
> _and_ the bank vice-president had no idea what a Southerner was
> saying to us...
>
I worked for a while with a guy from east London, with the most
pronounced Cockney accesnt I've ever hear outside of television
stereotypes, and a guy from rural Georgia. The rest of us could make
out what they were both saying, most of the time, but to communicate
with each other, they literally needed a translator. Fortunately,
they both found it as funny as everyone else.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

In article <5ba77bbf-0647-458d-9cd3-cdc4de94cecdn@googlegroups.com>,
William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 6:18:47 PM UTC-4, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>> In the Victorian period, [shouting] was the stereotype of *English*
>> Generally on a Cook's tour, being a 'Karen' to some bemused French
>>innkeeper. If
>> shouting loud enough didn't get the right reaction, the red faced son
>>of Albion would
>> threaten the nuclear option: He would 'write a letter to the Times!'
>>
>> Check Punch back issues for proof.
>
>I think that was more of a slam at the new middle class. French was
>compulsory in public schools, with even Churchill being able to ask
>Weygand in French what the hell he'd done with his reserves.

And Weygand answered, "Aucune," meaning "There aren't any."

(Which Churchll remembered a few months later when the RAF had
run out of reserves. They won the battle anyway.)

>If you didn't speak French, you were clearly an upstart who went to a
>state school.

Warning: Non-SFF follows

Cf. the trial scene in Sayers' _Clouds of Witness_ where Lord
Peter delivers the suicide note (that he had to *fly* across the
Atlantic to find) to prove that the deceased's death wasn't murder.
And some official notes that it's written in French and will need to
be translated for the benefit of the butter-and-egg Peers.

(Sayers herself assumed that all her readers had had proper
educations and never provided translations. I have a copy of
_Busman's Honeymoon_* in which Peter's Francophile uncle sends
both Peter and Harriet letters of congratulation, totally in
untranslated French.)

____
It's the original PB, that shows the murderer setting up his
booby-trap ON THE COVER, in front of the reader's naked eyes.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

In article <XnsAE86A9A10321Etaustingmail@85.12.62.232>,
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>I worked for a while with a guy from east London, with the most
>pronounced Cockney accesnt I've ever hear outside of television
>stereotypes, and a guy from rural Georgia. The rest of us could make
>out what they were both saying, most of the time, but to communicate
>with each other, they literally needed a translator. Fortunately,
>they both found it as funny as everyone else.

Awwww. How sweet.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> writes:

> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 2:57:02 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> >David Duffy <dav...@qimr.edu.au> wrote in
>> >news:t4am8s$3k1$1...@gioia.aioe.org:
>> >
>> >> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>> >>> On 4/26/2022 3:18 PM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> In the Victorian period, [shouting] was the stereotype of *English*
>> >>>> tourists on the Continent. Generally on a Cook's tour, being a
>> >>>> 'Karen' to some bemused French innkeeper. If shouting loud
>> >>>> enough didn't get the right reaction, the red faced son of
>> >>>> Albion would threaten the nuclear option: He would 'write a
>> >>>> letter to the Times!'
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Check Punch back issues for proof.
>> I haven't any. If I could get to the UC Berkeley library, they
>> probably have some, but it's so difficult to get me out of the
>> house that that effort is reserved for medical appointments.
>> >>>>
>> >> I still remember a hostel in the Netherlands where the
>> >> receptionist was torturing a French tourist, asking loudly,
>> >> "Speak English, please!"
>> English is the closest thing we have in this era to a world
>> language.
>> >Like the British and Americans, apparently, Norway and Denmark are
>> >one people separated by a common languge. "They talk funny."
>>
>> So I understand; the Norwegian will tell you the Dane speaks as
>> though he had a mouthful of potatoes.
>
> At a meeting years ago I saw an Icelandic and a Danish scientist
> speaking in a language I didn't understand. I asked
> another Dane which language they were using, Danish or Icelandic. She
> replied "both". The Dane was speaking
> Danish, the other Icelandic.
>
> Using my knowledge of English and then-knowledge of German I was able
> to get a few pages into LOTR in Norwegian. Of course, it helped that
> I knew what was going on. I wouldn't have gotten so far into Moby
> Dick (except the first sentence, of course).

From a language standpoint, Norway is the most frustrating place I've
visited. Japan, OK, the characters aren't even in my alphabet.
Germany, the letters all make sense but collect up into words that look
like a transliteration of someone sneezing (and I had high school
German). Norway the words all looked like they should have been
English, but I didn't know any of them. The constant sense of "I ought
to be able to read this" was... weird.

In article <rB0w1M.H50@kithrup.com>,
djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:

> In article <5ba77bbf-0647-458d-9cd3-cdc4de94cecdn@googlegroups.com>,
> William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

<Snip of thread drift in early 20th century British culture>
>
> >If you didn't speak French, you were clearly an upstart who went to a
> >state school.
>
> Warning: Non-SFF follows
>
> Cf. the trial scene in Sayers' _Clouds of Witness_ where Lord
> Peter delivers the suicide note (that he had to *fly* across the
> Atlantic to find) to prove that the deceased's death wasn't murder.
> And some official notes that it's written in French and will need to
> be translated for the benefit of the butter-and-egg Peers.
>
> (Sayers herself assumed that all her readers had had proper
> educations and never provided translations. I have a copy of
> _Busman's Honeymoon_* in which Peter's Francophile uncle sends
> both Peter and Harriet letters of congratulation, totally in
> untranslated French.)
>
> ____
> It's the original PB, that shows the murderer setting up his
> booby-trap ON THE COVER, in front of the reader's naked eyes.

Is there a mystery equivalent of the ISFDB? I am interested in seeing
that cover. BTW, so what if the cover shows the murderer setting up his
booby trap, he dismantled it in front of an audience who didn't realize
what he was doing.

--
"We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_.
�-----------------------------------------------------
Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 11:45:44 PM UTC-5, Robert Woodward wrote:
> In article <rB0w1...@kithrup.com>,
> djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:

> > It's the original PB, that shows the murderer setting up his
> > booby-trap ON THE COVER, in front of the reader's naked eyes.
> Is there a mystery equivalent of the ISFDB? I am interested in seeing
> that cover.

Is this it?

<https://pictures.abebooks.com/inventory/md/md30166402781.jpg>

Brian

On 27/04/2022 18.40, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> David Duffy <davidD@qimr.edu.au> wrote in
> news:t4cg6v$13s5$1@gioia.aioe.org:

>> The excellent _Stand Still. Stay Silent_ webcomic (now
>> unfortunately finished) had ongoing gags riffing on this. A
>> similar story someone told me was of two US physicists, one from
>> California and the other from Kentucky, with respective accents,
>> talking at a conference. In a Baltimore bank, we Australians
>> _and_ the bank vice-president had no idea what a Southerner was
>> saying to us...
>>
> I worked for a while with a guy from east London, with the most
> pronounced Cockney accesnt I've ever hear outside of television
> stereotypes,

Years back, I worked (not too closely) with a guy who had an incredibly
hard to understand accent. Eventually, the HR department enrolled him
in an ESL class. This pissed him off, since he was a Cockney.

(By coincidence, I watched _My Fair Lady_ last night.)

--
Michael F. Stemper
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.

In article <robertaw-76DAD3.21453827042022@news.individual.net>,
Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
>In article <rB0w1M.H50@kithrup.com>,
> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>
>> In article <5ba77bbf-0647-458d-9cd3-cdc4de94cecdn@googlegroups.com>,
>> William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
>
><Snip of thread drift in early 20th century British culture>
>>
>> >If you didn't speak French, you were clearly an upstart who went to a
>> >state school.
>>
>> Warning: Non-SFF follows
>>
>> Cf. the trial scene in Sayers' _Clouds of Witness_ where Lord
>> Peter delivers the suicide note (that he had to *fly* across the
>> Atlantic to find) to prove that the deceased's death wasn't murder.
>> And some official notes that it's written in French and will need to
>> be translated for the benefit of the butter-and-egg Peers.
>>
>> (Sayers herself assumed that all her readers had had proper
>> educations and never provided translations. I have a copy of
>> _Busman's Honeymoon_* in which Peter's Francophile uncle sends
>> both Peter and Harriet letters of congratulation, totally in
>> untranslated French.)
>>
>> ____
>> It's the original PB, that shows the murderer setting up his
>> booby-trap ON THE COVER, in front of the reader's naked eyes.
>
>Is there a mystery equivalent of the ISFDB? I am interested in seeing
>that cover. BTW, so what if the cover shows the murderer setting up his
>booby trap, he dismantled it in front of an audience who didn't realize
>what he was doing.

The closest of which I am aware is Stop, You're Killing Me!

http://stopyourekillingme.com/
--
My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
My tor pieces at https://www.tor.com/author/james-davis-nicoll/
My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/
My patreon is at https://www.patreon.com/jamesdnicoll

In article <robertaw-76DAD3.21453827042022@news.individual.net>,
Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
>In article <rB0w1M.H50@kithrup.com>,
> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>
>>
>> Warning: Non-SFF follows
>>
>> Cf. the trial scene in Sayers' _Clouds of Witness_ where Lord
>> Peter delivers the suicide note (that he had to *fly* across the
>> Atlantic to find) to prove that the deceased's death wasn't murder.
>> And some official notes that it's written in French and will need to
>> be translated for the benefit of the butter-and-egg Peers.
>>
>> (Sayers herself assumed that all her readers had had proper
>> educations and never provided translations. I have a copy of
>> _Busman's Honeymoon_* in which Peter's Francophile uncle sends
>> both Peter and Harriet letters of congratulation, totally in
>> untranslated French.)
>>
>> ____
>> It's the original PB, that shows the murderer setting up his
>> booby-trap ON THE COVER, in front of the reader's naked eyes.
>
>Is there a mystery equivalent of the ISFDB? I am interested in seeing
>that cover.

Why, yes, there is.

https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=30166402781&cm_mmc=ggl-_-COM_Shopp_Rare-_-product_id=bi%3A%2030166402781-_-keyword=&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIgqnqkO629wIVcgytBh3wnQoREAQYASABEgJMgvD_BwE

> BTW, so what if the cover shows the murderer setting up his
>booby trap, he dismantled it in front of an audience who didn't realize
>what he was doing.

Something very like that happens in the play on which the novel
is based. The murderer disassemblase the sprurnbg booby trap in
front of most of the dramatis personae and the audience. In the
last act, Lord Peter figures out what, and how set up, the trap
was, and reassembles it in a way that's incapable of harming the
murder, but scares the living daylights out of the murderer, who
curses Lord Peter in language equivalent to a confession.

Since the story began its career as a play performed before an
audience, with live actors and a prop that if mis-set could
actally hurt somebody, the edition of the play that I have
includes a warning note from Sayers that before each and every
dress rehearsal and performance, the stage manager *and the actor
playing the murderer* must inspect the (faked) booby trap and
make sure that it will work as intended.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
news:rB0wA2.HCy@kithrup.com:

> In article <XnsAE86A9A10321Etaustingmail@85.12.62.232>,
> Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>I worked for a while with a guy from east London, with the most
>>pronounced Cockney accesnt I've ever hear outside of television
>>stereotypes, and a guy from rural Georgia. The rest of us could
>>make out what they were both saying, most of the time, but to
>>communicate with each other, they literally needed a translator.
>>Fortunately, they both found it as funny as everyone else.
>
> Awwww. How sweet.
>
That was also where we discovered that a cockroach can be frozen
solid with liquid nitrogen and not die.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote in
news:t4e2n3$v4s$1@dont-email.me:

> On 27/04/2022 18.40, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>> David Duffy <davidD@qimr.edu.au> wrote in
>> news:t4cg6v$13s5$1@gioia.aioe.org:
>
>>> The excellent _Stand Still. Stay Silent_ webcomic (now
>>> unfortunately finished) had ongoing gags riffing on this. A
>>> similar story someone told me was of two US physicists, one
>>> from California and the other from Kentucky, with respective
>>> accents, talking at a conference. In a Baltimore bank, we
>>> Australians _and_ the bank vice-president had no idea what a
>>> Southerner was saying to us...
>>>
>> I worked for a while with a guy from east London, with the most
>> pronounced Cockney accesnt I've ever hear outside of television
>> stereotypes,
>
> Years back, I worked (not too closely) with a guy who had an
> incredibly hard to understand accent. Eventually, the HR
> department enrolled him in an ESL class. This pissed him off,
> since he was a Cockney.

Honestly, ESL was, I think, the right choice, since that kind of
thick Cockney accent is *not* English as we know it.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

In article <XnsAE875283DAFE9taustingmail@85.12.62.232>,
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>news:rB0wA2.HCy@kithrup.com:
>
>> In article <XnsAE86A9A10321Etaustingmail@85.12.62.232>,
>> Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>I worked for a while with a guy from east London, with the most
>>>pronounced Cockney accesnt I've ever hear outside of television
>>>stereotypes, and a guy from rural Georgia. The rest of us could
>>>make out what they were both saying, most of the time, but to
>>>communicate with each other, they literally needed a translator.
>>>Fortunately, they both found it as funny as everyone else.
>>
>> Awwww. How sweet.
>>
>That was also where we discovered that a cockroach can be frozen
>solid with liquid nitrogen and not die.
>
I didn't know that, but it doesn't surprise me.

We get the occasional roach in our downstairs bathroom (it has a
door leading to a cubbyhole containing the water heater, and
therefrom to the ground under the house, and there's an inch-high
gap under the door).

I've never seen one living, though: only squashed flat and missing
most of its legs, because any roach getting into that bathroom becomes
an instant play-toy for the cats.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

In article <XnsAE8752C5F48EEtaustingmail@85.12.62.232>,
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>"Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:t4e2n3$v4s$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 27/04/2022 18.40, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>>> David Duffy <davidD@qimr.edu.au> wrote in
>>> news:t4cg6v$13s5$1@gioia.aioe.org:
>>
>>>> The excellent _Stand Still. Stay Silent_ webcomic (now
>>>> unfortunately finished) had ongoing gags riffing on this. A
>>>> similar story someone told me was of two US physicists, one
>>>> from California and the other from Kentucky, with respective
>>>> accents, talking at a conference. In a Baltimore bank, we
>>>> Australians _and_ the bank vice-president had no idea what a
>>>> Southerner was saying to us...
>>>>
>>> I worked for a while with a guy from east London, with the most
>>> pronounced Cockney accesnt I've ever hear outside of television
>>> stereotypes,
>>
>> Years back, I worked (not too closely) with a guy who had an
>> incredibly hard to understand accent. Eventually, the HR
>> department enrolled him in an ESL class. This pissed him off,
>> since he was a Cockney.
>
>Honestly, ESL was, I think, the right choice, since that kind of
>thick Cockney accent is *not* English as we know it.
>
We in the States, anyway.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 6:17:03 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:

[snip]

> We get the occasional roach in our downstairs bathroom (it has a
> door leading to a cubbyhole containing the water heater, and
> therefrom to the ground under the house, and there's an inch-high
> gap under the door).
>
> I've never seen one living, though: only squashed flat and missing
> most of its legs, because any roach getting into that bathroom becomes
> an instant play-toy for the cats.
> --

Commander Cockroach will just send more. He has millions.

[/Gilbert Shelton]

--
Kevin R

On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 01:27:24 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com>
wrote:

>On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 6:17:03 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> We get the occasional roach in our downstairs bathroom (it has a
>> door leading to a cubbyhole containing the water heater, and
>> therefrom to the ground under the house, and there's an inch-high
>> gap under the door).
>>
>> I've never seen one living, though: only squashed flat and missing
>> most of its legs, because any roach getting into that bathroom becomes
>> an instant play-toy for the cats.
>> --
>
>Commander Cockroach will just send more. He has millions.
>
>[/Gilbert Shelton]

California cockroaches must taste better than Florida cockroaches.

I remember Fred the Cat's first encounter with one. He jumped on it,
batted it around for a bit, then crunched it. People who think that
cats are incapable of facial expressions have never seen the look of
total disgust that appeared on Fred's face, as he spat it out and then
hocked for a while like he was trying to bring up a hairball. He
never touched another cockroach, and not because he didn't hunt (he
was a squirrel specialist).

On 13/06/2022 09.26, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 01:27:24 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com>
> wrote:

>> Commander Cockroach will just send more. He has millions.
>>
>> [/Gilbert Shelton]
>
> California cockroaches must taste better than Florida cockroaches.
>
> I remember Fred the Cat's first encounter with one.

Context is everything, and from the context, I thought that you
meant "Fat Freddy's Cat". (I got better.)

--
Michael F. Stemper
There's no "me" in "team". There's no "us" in "team", either.

On 13/06/2022 13.50, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 2:40:30 PM UTC-4, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
>> On 13/06/2022 09.26, J. Clarke wrote:
>>> On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 01:27:24 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Commander Cockroach will just send more. He has millions.
>>>>
>>>> [/Gilbert Shelton]
>>>
>>> California cockroaches must taste better than Florida cockroaches.
>>>
>>> I remember Fred the Cat's first encounter with one.
>> Context is everything, and from the context, I thought that you
>> meant "Fat Freddy's Cat". (I got better.)
>
> Fat Freddy's Cat is familiar with yet another kind of roach.

Both types, actually. For instance:
<https://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/texascanyon/roaches1.jpg>

--
Michael F. Stemper
Deuteronomy 24:17