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* Re: Linguistics as part of the plotQuadibloc
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 `* Re: Linguistics as part of the plotChristian Weisgerber
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On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 5:30:08 PM UTC-7, Christian Weisgerber wrote:

> Certainly the Indo-European languages have been moving overall from
> inflected to increasingly analytic in their ~6,000 years of attested
> and reconstructed history. Anybody who mistakes this for simplification
> would do well to duck behind their desk when I catapult an 1,800-page
> English grammar at them.

Heh.

But the lack of a case system and verb conjugations is the removal of
_obvious_ complexity. That the _subtle_ complexity with which English
has replaced that may be even worse...

no, I won't argue that, as it may well be true.

John Savard

Re: Linguistics as part of the plot

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On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 3:44:52 PM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 5:30:08 PM UTC-7, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
>
> > Certainly the Indo-European languages have been moving overall from
> > inflected to increasingly analytic in their ~6,000 years of attested
> > and reconstructed history. Anybody who mistakes this for simplification
> > would do well to duck behind their desk when I catapult an 1,800-page
> > English grammar at them.
>
> Heh.
>
> But the lack of a case system and verb conjugations is the removal of
> _obvious_ complexity. That the _subtle_ complexity with which English
> has replaced that may be even worse...
>
> no, I won't argue that, as it may well be true.

And, you piqued my curiosity.

But a quick search has shown that, indeed, such a volume actually
exists, at least if you allow rounding up from 1,779 pages... and
adding in 12 pages of Roman-numbered front matter.

John Savard

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Subject: Re: Linguistics as part of the plot
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 by: Christian Weisgerber - Sun, 1 May 2022 11:54 UTC

On 2022-04-30, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

>> > Certainly the Indo-European languages have been moving overall from
>> > inflected to increasingly analytic in their ~6,000 years of attested
>> > and reconstructed history. Anybody who mistakes this for simplification
>> > would do well to duck behind their desk when I catapult an 1,800-page
>> > English grammar at them.
>
> And, you piqued my curiosity.
>
> But a quick search has shown that, indeed, such a volume actually
> exists, at least if you allow rounding up from 1,779 pages... and
> adding in 12 pages of Roman-numbered front matter.

Two, actually.

Quirk et al.
_A Comprehensive Grammar of the English Language_
Longman, 1985

Huddleston/Pullum
_The Cambridge Grammar of the English Language_
Cambridge University Press, 2002

--
Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de

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 by: Quadibloc - Sun, 1 May 2022 14:02 UTC

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 6:30:08 AM UTC-6, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
> On 2022-04-30, Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
> >> > Certainly the Indo-European languages have been moving overall from
> >> > inflected to increasingly analytic in their ~6,000 years of attested
> >> > and reconstructed history. Anybody who mistakes this for simplification
> >> > would do well to duck behind their desk when I catapult an 1,800-page
> >> > English grammar at them.
> >
> > And, you piqued my curiosity.
> >
> > But a quick search has shown that, indeed, such a volume actually
> > exists, at least if you allow rounding up from 1,779 pages... and
> > adding in 12 pages of Roman-numbered front matter.

> Two, actually.
>
> Quirk et al.
> _A Comprehensive Grammar of the English Language_
> Longman, 1985
>
> Huddleston/Pullum
> _The Cambridge Grammar of the English Language_
> Cambridge University Press, 2002

It was the first of those two that I had encountered. I saw
a volume with a title similar to the second, but not nearly
as long.

John Savard

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 by: Ross Presser - Sun, 1 May 2022 15:10 UTC

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 8:30:08 AM UTC-4, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
> On 2022-04-30, Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
> >> > Certainly the Indo-European languages have been moving overall from
> >> > inflected to increasingly analytic in their ~6,000 years of attested
> >> > and reconstructed history. Anybody who mistakes this for simplification
> >> > would do well to duck behind their desk when I catapult an 1,800-page
> >> > English grammar at them.
> >
> > And, you piqued my curiosity.
> >
> > But a quick search has shown that, indeed, such a volume actually
> > exists, at least if you allow rounding up from 1,779 pages... and
> > adding in 12 pages of Roman-numbered front matter.
> Two, actually.
>
> Quirk et al.
> _A Comprehensive Grammar of the English Language_
> Longman, 1985
>
> Huddleston/Pullum
> _The Cambridge Grammar of the English Language_
> Cambridge University Press, 2002

I am completely unsurprised that Pullum would perpetrate this horror.

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