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* Re: Scott Adams didn't think this through. (Dilbert)Thomas Koenig
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|`- Re: Scott Adams didn't think this through. (Dilbert)Paul S Person
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| `* Re: Scott Adams didn't think this through. (Dilbert)Tony Nance
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|  |  `* Re: Scott Adams didn't think this through. (Dilbert)Paul S Person
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 by: ted@loft.tnolan.com - Sun, 8 May 2022 18:39 UTC

In article <b32c705f-4f08-44a4-994f-ab87b329c96bn@googlegroups.com>,
Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
>On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 12:32:22 PM UTC-4, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
>> In article <nuqf7h5mi0a1ib2ub...@4ax.com>,
>> The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca> wrote:
>> >On Sat, 7 May 2022 16:02:48 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>In article <7c1de9eb-ccf9-4fcc...@googlegroups.com>,
>> >>Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>So, did you see Dave in your newspaper today?
>> >>>Have you seen Dave in your newspaper at all?
>> >>>Just curious! ;-)
>> >>
>> >>We don't read a newspaper at all, these days. We read various
>> >>webcomics online, but I don't look at Dilbert at all unless
>> >>somebody posts a link here.
>> >>
>> >>/googles Dilbert
>> >>
>> >>It's not about Dave at all; it's about Wally's voicemail. The
>> >>last several strips were about Dave.
>> >
>> >Well with all due respect anybody with a web browser can easily follow
>> >Dilbert (and many other strips)
>> >
>> >https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-05-08
>> >
>> >is today's strip. Any guesses on what the URL for yesterday's was?
>> The dilbert.com site also has the best search of any comic strip site.
>> You can search for dialogue or characters. I've often wished I could
>> do the same for Peanuts.
>> --
>
>This search is for beards.
>
>https://dilbert.com/search_results?terms=beard
>
>#beard
>

Adams does have it in for "Ted".
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 by: Dimensional Traveler - Sun, 8 May 2022 20:44 UTC

On 5/8/2022 9:07 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Thu, 05 May 2022 21:35:03 -0400, J. Clarke
> <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 05 May 2022 17:51:29 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 05 May 2022 09:15:49 -0700, Paul S Person
>>> <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A long time ago, when I was interested in geneology, one of the first
>>>> things I learned is that most families /do/ have a legend about a
>>>> <First People's> ancestor -- and almost all of them are wrong.
>>>>
>>>> OTOH, anyone born in the USA is a /native/ American. It's just that
>>>> some groups got here a lot earlier than the rest of us.
>>>
>>> Back in 2010 my daughter (from Vancouver) was in art school and did an
>>> exchange semester in Baltimore, MD. They went for beer one night and
>>> the subject turned to genealogy and my daughter shocked everybody by
>>> telling them that she (the only non-American at the table) qualified
>>> for Daughters of the American Revolution membership. (Which requires
>>> proven ancestry of a person who would have been an American citizen in
>>> 1776)
>>>
>>> Which is true - my late father is from WA state and was descended from
>>> a Mayflower family and got the documentation to prove it.
>>>
>>> Which gets you a coffee at the local McDonalds at least if you have $1
>>> on hand...
>>>
>>> But it certainly caused as much consternation around the table - at
>>> least as much as when the NBA's Steve Nash (born in Johannesburg but
>>> raised in Victoria, BC Canada) would say whenever there was a new
>>> player in the dressing room that HE (Nash) was the only true African
>>> in the dressing room! (His teammates knew where he was born and were
>>> said to be more amused than annoyed - but then they didn't mind as
>>> they knew he only said it when there was a newbie around)
>>
>> And then we have that great African American success story called
>> SpaceX. Of course he's the wrong _color_ African American.
>
> Exactly - it's fine to be proud of your parentage or place of birth
> but it doesn't transform you into a superior human being as a result.
>
> And only a complete idiot or somebody with a triumphalist agenda would
> try to enforce privileges as a result.

Scott Adams is a big supporter of Donald Trump.

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Sun, 8 May 2022 21:10 UTC

On 5/8/2022 3:44 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 5/8/2022 9:07 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
>> On Thu, 05 May 2022 21:35:03 -0400, J. Clarke
>> <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 05 May 2022 17:51:29 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 05 May 2022 09:15:49 -0700, Paul S Person
>>>> <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A long time ago, when I was interested in geneology, one of the first
>>>>> things I learned is that most families /do/ have a legend about a
>>>>> <First People's> ancestor -- and almost all of them are wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> OTOH, anyone born in the USA is a /native/ American. It's just that
>>>>> some groups got here a lot earlier than the rest of us.
>>>>
>>>> Back in 2010 my daughter (from Vancouver) was in art school and did an
>>>> exchange semester in Baltimore, MD. They went for beer one night and
>>>> the subject turned to genealogy and my daughter shocked everybody by
>>>> telling them that she (the only non-American at the table) qualified
>>>> for Daughters of the American Revolution membership. (Which requires
>>>> proven ancestry of a person who would have been an American citizen in
>>>> 1776)
>>>>
>>>> Which is true - my late father is from WA state and was descended from
>>>> a Mayflower family and got the documentation to prove it.
>>>>
>>>> Which gets you a coffee at the local McDonalds at least if you have $1
>>>> on hand...
>>>>
>>>> But it certainly caused as much consternation around the table - at
>>>> least as much as when the NBA's Steve Nash (born in Johannesburg but
>>>> raised in Victoria, BC Canada) would say whenever there was a new
>>>> player in the dressing room that HE (Nash) was the only true African
>>>> in the dressing room! (His teammates knew where he was born and were
>>>> said to be more amused than annoyed - but then they didn't mind as
>>>> they knew he only said it when there was a newbie around)
>>>
>>> And then we have that great African American success story called
>>> SpaceX.  Of course he's the wrong _color_ African American.
>>
>> Exactly - it's fine to be proud of your parentage or place of birth
>> but it doesn't transform you into a superior human being as a result.
>>
>> And only a complete idiot or somebody with a triumphalist agenda would
>> try to enforce privileges as a result.
>
> Scott Adams is a big supporter of Donald Trump.

DJT inspired his book, "Win Bigly":
https://www.amazon.com/Win-Bigly-Persuasion-World-Matter/dp/0735219710/

Lynn

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 by: Torbjorn Lindgren - Mon, 9 May 2022 14:50 UTC

The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>On Thu, 05 May 2022 09:15:49 -0700, Paul S Person
><psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>OTOH, anyone born in the USA is a /native/ American. It's just that
>>some groups got here a lot earlier than the rest of us.
>
>Back in 2010 my daughter (from Vancouver) was in art school and did an
>exchange semester in Baltimore, MD. They went for beer one night and
>the subject turned to genealogy and my daughter shocked everybody by
>telling them that she (the only non-American at the table) qualified
>for Daughters of the American Revolution membership. (Which requires
>proven ancestry of a person who would have been an American citizen in
>1776)

Their webpage claims DAR's requirement is much stricter that that.
Specifically, the ancestor must have provable "Revolutionary War
service" (on the US side), just having an American citizen ancestor is
not enough.

>Which is true - my late father is from WA state and was descended from
>a Mayflower family and got the documentation to prove it.

Which isn't enough in itself for DAR membership according to them.

Not saying she might not fulfil the other criterias (given the amount
of time there's a LOT who will) but it's a bit weird that you skipped
what I suspect is the harder part of their requirement.

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 by: The Horny Goat - Mon, 9 May 2022 17:54 UTC

On Mon, 9 May 2022 14:50:29 -0000 (UTC), Torbjorn Lindgren
<tl@none.invalid> wrote:

>The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>On Thu, 05 May 2022 09:15:49 -0700, Paul S Person
>><psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>>OTOH, anyone born in the USA is a /native/ American. It's just that
>>>some groups got here a lot earlier than the rest of us.
>>
>>Back in 2010 my daughter (from Vancouver) was in art school and did an
>>exchange semester in Baltimore, MD. They went for beer one night and
>>the subject turned to genealogy and my daughter shocked everybody by
>>telling them that she (the only non-American at the table) qualified
>>for Daughters of the American Revolution membership. (Which requires
>>proven ancestry of a person who would have been an American citizen in
>>1776)
>
>Their webpage claims DAR's requirement is much stricter that that.
>Specifically, the ancestor must have provable "Revolutionary War
>service" (on the US side), just having an American citizen ancestor is
>not enough.

Does a service in a state militia count? (In our case NY?) Trouble of
course would be documenting that from a distance of 250 years unless
the ancestor is somebody famous. We've got a connection to the
Rockefeller's (Nelson Rockefeller's grandmother was my grandfather's
grandmother's sister - who are very definitely a "Mayflower family")
but that's not until 1820.

>>Which is true - my late father is from WA state and was descended from
>>a Mayflower family and got the documentation to prove it.
>
>Which isn't enough in itself for DAR membership according to them.

Given the daughter in question holds Canadian, UK and Polish (but not
US) passports she's unlikely to be pursuing it. I'm not aware there's
a UK counterpart else she might qualify as my mother's paternal
grandfather was a Royal Navy ship commander in WW1.

>Not saying she might not fulfil the other criterias (given the amount
>of time there's a LOT who will) but it's a bit weird that you skipped
>what I suspect is the harder part of their requirement.

Mostly because I repeated what my daughter told me and she's generally
pretty good on her research. But no question both my grandfather and
Rockefeller (both of whom had Aldrich as their middle name in honor of
their Mayflower ancestor) go way back.

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 by: Joe Pfeiffer - Mon, 9 May 2022 18:06 UTC

The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> writes:

> On Mon, 9 May 2022 14:50:29 -0000 (UTC), Torbjorn Lindgren
> <tl@none.invalid> wrote:
>
>>The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>>On Thu, 05 May 2022 09:15:49 -0700, Paul S Person
>>><psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>Back in 2010 my daughter (from Vancouver) was in art school and did an
>>>exchange semester in Baltimore, MD. They went for beer one night and
>>>the subject turned to genealogy and my daughter shocked everybody by
>>>telling them that she (the only non-American at the table) qualified
>>>for Daughters of the American Revolution membership. (Which requires
>>>proven ancestry of a person who would have been an American citizen in
>>>1776)
>>
>>Their webpage claims DAR's requirement is much stricter that that.
>>Specifically, the ancestor must have provable "Revolutionary War
>>service" (on the US side), just having an American citizen ancestor is
>>not enough.

Almost nobody has to demonstrate they meet that requirement directly --
tracing your ancentry to a member will do it. So, since my mom was a
member (in fact, she was the person in charge of assisting applicants in
putting their applications together for her chapter) it would be trivial
for my daughter to join if she had the slightest interest.

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 by: The Horny Goat - Tue, 10 May 2022 03:34 UTC

On Mon, 09 May 2022 12:06:29 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer
<pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:

>>>>Back in 2010 my daughter (from Vancouver) was in art school and did an
>>>>exchange semester in Baltimore, MD. They went for beer one night and
>>>>the subject turned to genealogy and my daughter shocked everybody by
>>>>telling them that she (the only non-American at the table) qualified
>>>>for Daughters of the American Revolution membership. (Which requires
>>>>proven ancestry of a person who would have been an American citizen in
>>>>1776)
>>>
>>>Their webpage claims DAR's requirement is much stricter that that.
>>>Specifically, the ancestor must have provable "Revolutionary War
>>>service" (on the US side), just having an American citizen ancestor is
>>>not enough.
>
>Almost nobody has to demonstrate they meet that requirement directly --
>tracing your ancentry to a member will do it. So, since my mom was a
>member (in fact, she was the person in charge of assisting applicants in
>putting their applications together for her chapter) it would be trivial
>for my daughter to join if she had the slightest interest.

Which is interesting given the evolution of requirements through the
year - many members had their ancestor's service 'certified' by much
lower standards which is currently (as I understand it) in effect.

One of the funniest (for me) speeches I ever gave to my Toastmasters
club was a strongly pro-British rant on the War of 1812 (I'm in
Canada) since while I have lots of ancestors who fought in that war e
I have NO ancestors in Canada before about 1890 - meaning that all of
my people fought on the American side!

I think my point is that one doesn't have to be American to be
eligible for DAR membership :) (I actually have more American
ancestors than Canadian mostly because my American father came from a
larger family than my Canadian mother's)

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 by: Robert Woodward - Tue, 10 May 2022 04:56 UTC

In article <5vki7h9mcs6ull8m2ir4r0aphijrmvi2q5@4ax.com>,
The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:

> On Mon, 9 May 2022 14:50:29 -0000 (UTC), Torbjorn Lindgren
> <tl@none.invalid> wrote:
>
> >The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
> >>On Thu, 05 May 2022 09:15:49 -0700, Paul S Person
> >><psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
> >>>OTOH, anyone born in the USA is a /native/ American. It's just that
> >>>some groups got here a lot earlier than the rest of us.
> >>
> >>Back in 2010 my daughter (from Vancouver) was in art school and did an
> >>exchange semester in Baltimore, MD. They went for beer one night and
> >>the subject turned to genealogy and my daughter shocked everybody by
> >>telling them that she (the only non-American at the table) qualified
> >>for Daughters of the American Revolution membership. (Which requires
> >>proven ancestry of a person who would have been an American citizen in
> >>1776)
> >
> >Their webpage claims DAR's requirement is much stricter that that.
> >Specifically, the ancestor must have provable "Revolutionary War
> >service" (on the US side), just having an American citizen ancestor is
> >not enough.
>
> Does a service in a state militia count? (In our case NY?) Trouble of
> course would be documenting that from a distance of 250 years unless
> the ancestor is somebody famous. We've got a connection to the
> Rockefeller's (Nelson Rockefeller's grandmother was my grandfather's
> grandmother's sister - who are very definitely a "Mayflower family")
> but that's not until 1820.
>

There are family stories that suggest my sisters would be eligible for
the DAR (from both sides of the family, both my mother and her sisters
and my father's sisters would had been eligible). IIRC, it was
Continental Army membership for my mother's ancestor (and can't remember
if my paternal grandfather's ancestor was Rebel militia or Continental
Army). BTW, while my paternal grandmother always denied, my father
believed that she had United Empire Loyalist ancestors. She did have a
bunch of relatives living in Ontario.

--
"We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_.
-------------------------------------------------------
Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

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On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 9:34:13 PM UTC-6, The Horny Goat wrote:

> One of the funniest (for me) speeches I ever gave to my Toastmasters
> club was a strongly pro-British rant on the War of 1812 (I'm in
> Canada) since while I have lots of ancestors who fought in that war e
> I have NO ancestors in Canada before about 1890 - meaning that all of
> my people fought on the American side!

Nothing wrong with that, given that Britain started that war by commiting
aggression against the United States by kidnapping its citizens to serve
in their naval forces.

Canada, however, was not complicit in this aggression, so the fact that
military necessity may have compelled the United States to take action
against Canada wouldn't stop Canada from percieving that as aggression
on the part of the United States.

History would have been simpler if Canada could have concluded a peace
treaty with the United States at an earlier point, and then burned down
Whitehall instead of the White House.

John Savard

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On Monday, 9 May 2022 at 19:06:33 UTC+1, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca> writes:
>
> > On Mon, 9 May 2022 14:50:29 -0000 (UTC), Torbjorn Lindgren
> > <t...@none.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >>The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca> wrote:
> >>>On Thu, 05 May 2022 09:15:49 -0700, Paul S Person
> >>><pspe...@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>Back in 2010 my daughter (from Vancouver) was in art school and did an
> >>>exchange semester in Baltimore, MD. They went for beer one night and
> >>>the subject turned to genealogy and my daughter shocked everybody by
> >>>telling them that she (the only non-American at the table) qualified
> >>>for Daughters of the American Revolution membership. (Which requires
> >>>proven ancestry of a person who would have been an American citizen in
> >>>1776)
> >>
> >>Their webpage claims DAR's requirement is much stricter that that.
> >>Specifically, the ancestor must have provable "Revolutionary War
> >>service" (on the US side), just having an American citizen ancestor is
> >>not enough.
> Almost nobody has to demonstrate they meet that requirement directly --
> tracing your ancentry to a member will do it. So, since my mom was a
> member (in fact, she was the person in charge of assisting applicants in
> putting their applications together for her chapter) it would be trivial
> for my daughter to join if she had the slightest interest.

That's "ancestry"? So, a grandfather (or mother) clause. Oookay.

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Tue, 10 May 2022 19:56 UTC

On 5/10/2022 12:00 AM, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 9:34:13 PM UTC-6, The Horny Goat wrote:
>
>> One of the funniest (for me) speeches I ever gave to my Toastmasters
>> club was a strongly pro-British rant on the War of 1812 (I'm in
>> Canada) since while I have lots of ancestors who fought in that war e
>> I have NO ancestors in Canada before about 1890 - meaning that all of
>> my people fought on the American side!
>
> Nothing wrong with that, given that Britain started that war by commiting
> aggression against the United States by kidnapping its citizens to serve
> in their naval forces.
>
> Canada, however, was not complicit in this aggression, so the fact that
> military necessity may have compelled the United States to take action
> against Canada wouldn't stop Canada from percieving that as aggression
> on the part of the United States.
>
> History would have been simpler if Canada could have concluded a peace
> treaty with the United States at an earlier point, and then burned down
> Whitehall instead of the White House.
>
> John Savard

Or if the thirteen colonies has seized Canada also at the conclusion of
the Revolutionary War. There were many people in favor of it.

Lynn

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 by: William Hyde - Tue, 10 May 2022 20:47 UTC

On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 3:56:45 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 5/10/2022 12:00 AM, Quadibloc wrote:
> > On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 9:34:13 PM UTC-6, The Horny Goat wrote:
> >
> >> One of the funniest (for me) speeches I ever gave to my Toastmasters
> >> club was a strongly pro-British rant on the War of 1812 (I'm in
> >> Canada) since while I have lots of ancestors who fought in that war e
> >> I have NO ancestors in Canada before about 1890 - meaning that all of
> >> my people fought on the American side!
> >
> > Nothing wrong with that, given that Britain started that war by commiting
> > aggression against the United States by kidnapping its citizens to serve
> > in their naval forces.
> >
> > Canada, however, was not complicit in this aggression, so the fact that
> > military necessity may have compelled the United States to take action
> > against Canada wouldn't stop Canada from percieving that as aggression
> > on the part of the United States.
> >
> > History would have been simpler if Canada could have concluded a peace
> > treaty with the United States at an earlier point, and then burned down
> > Whitehall instead of the White House.
> >
> > John Savard
> Or if the thirteen colonies has seized Canada also at the conclusion of
> the Revolutionary War. There were many people in favor of it.

It's tough to compete with Mr Savard in this arena. But you might just have what it
takes.

William Hyde

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Tue, 10 May 2022 22:27 UTC

On 5/10/2022 3:47 PM, William Hyde wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 3:56:45 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 5/10/2022 12:00 AM, Quadibloc wrote:
>>> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 9:34:13 PM UTC-6, The Horny Goat wrote:
>>>
>>>> One of the funniest (for me) speeches I ever gave to my Toastmasters
>>>> club was a strongly pro-British rant on the War of 1812 (I'm in
>>>> Canada) since while I have lots of ancestors who fought in that war e
>>>> I have NO ancestors in Canada before about 1890 - meaning that all of
>>>> my people fought on the American side!
>>>
>>> Nothing wrong with that, given that Britain started that war by commiting
>>> aggression against the United States by kidnapping its citizens to serve
>>> in their naval forces.
>>>
>>> Canada, however, was not complicit in this aggression, so the fact that
>>> military necessity may have compelled the United States to take action
>>> against Canada wouldn't stop Canada from percieving that as aggression
>>> on the part of the United States.
>>>
>>> History would have been simpler if Canada could have concluded a peace
>>> treaty with the United States at an earlier point, and then burned down
>>> Whitehall instead of the White House.
>>>
>>> John Savard
>> Or if the thirteen colonies has seized Canada also at the conclusion of
>> the Revolutionary War. There were many people in favor of it.
>
> It's tough to compete with Mr Savard in this arena. But you might just have what it
> takes.
>
> William Hyde

Hey, I just read a five book series of alternate history books by S. M.
Stirling, a former Canadian, where that happened. His premise, not
mine. Ended up with the entire Earth decimated and in slavery.

Lynn

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 by: Jibini Kula Tumbili - Tue, 10 May 2022 23:13 UTC

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote in
news:t5eg1p$3ab$2@dont-email.me:

> On 5/10/2022 12:00 AM, Quadibloc wrote:
>> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 9:34:13 PM UTC-6, The Horny Goat
>> wrote:
>>
>>> One of the funniest (for me) speeches I ever gave to my
>>> Toastmasters club was a strongly pro-British rant on the War
>>> of 1812 (I'm in Canada) since while I have lots of ancestors
>>> who fought in that war e I have NO ancestors in Canada before
>>> about 1890 - meaning that all of my people fought on the
>>> American side!
>>
>> Nothing wrong with that, given that Britain started that war by
>> commiting aggression against the United States by kidnapping
>> its citizens to serve in their naval forces.
>>
>> Canada, however, was not complicit in this aggression, so the
>> fact that military necessity may have compelled the United
>> States to take action against Canada wouldn't stop Canada from
>> percieving that as aggression on the part of the United States.
>>
>> History would have been simpler if Canada could have concluded
>> a peace treaty with the United States at an earlier point, and
>> then burned down Whitehall instead of the White House.
>>
>> John Savard
>
> Or if the thirteen colonies has seized Canada also at the
> conclusion of the Revolutionary War. There were many people in
> favor of it.
>
And not all of them were in the US side.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

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 by: Jibini Kula Tumbili - Tue, 10 May 2022 23:14 UTC

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote in
news:t5eot3$ouv$1@dont-email.me:

> On 5/10/2022 3:47 PM, William Hyde wrote:
>> On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 3:56:45 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire
>> wrote:
>>> On 5/10/2022 12:00 AM, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 9:34:13 PM UTC-6, The Horny Goat
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> One of the funniest (for me) speeches I ever gave to my
>>>>> Toastmasters club was a strongly pro-British rant on the War
>>>>> of 1812 (I'm in Canada) since while I have lots of ancestors
>>>>> who fought in that war e I have NO ancestors in Canada
>>>>> before about 1890 - meaning that all of my people fought on
>>>>> the American side!
>>>>
>>>> Nothing wrong with that, given that Britain started that war
>>>> by commiting aggression against the United States by
>>>> kidnapping its citizens to serve in their naval forces.
>>>>
>>>> Canada, however, was not complicit in this aggression, so the
>>>> fact that military necessity may have compelled the United
>>>> States to take action against Canada wouldn't stop Canada
>>>> from percieving that as aggression on the part of the United
>>>> States.
>>>>
>>>> History would have been simpler if Canada could have
>>>> concluded a peace treaty with the United States at an earlier
>>>> point, and then burned down Whitehall instead of the White
>>>> House.
>>>>
>>>> John Savard
>>> Or if the thirteen colonies has seized Canada also at the
>>> conclusion of the Revolutionary War. There were many people in
>>> favor of it.
>>
>> It's tough to compete with Mr Savard in this arena. But you
>> might just have what it takes.
>>
>> William Hyde
>
> Hey, I just read a five book series of alternate history books
> by S. M. Stirling, a former Canadian, where that happened. His
> premise, not mine. Ended up with the entire Earth decimated and
> in slavery.
>
Don't all his books end that way?

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Tue, 10 May 2022 23:46 UTC

On 5/10/2022 6:14 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:t5eot3$ouv$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 5/10/2022 3:47 PM, William Hyde wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 3:56:45 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 5/10/2022 12:00 AM, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 9:34:13 PM UTC-6, The Horny Goat
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> One of the funniest (for me) speeches I ever gave to my
>>>>>> Toastmasters club was a strongly pro-British rant on the War
>>>>>> of 1812 (I'm in Canada) since while I have lots of ancestors
>>>>>> who fought in that war e I have NO ancestors in Canada
>>>>>> before about 1890 - meaning that all of my people fought on
>>>>>> the American side!
>>>>>
>>>>> Nothing wrong with that, given that Britain started that war
>>>>> by commiting aggression against the United States by
>>>>> kidnapping its citizens to serve in their naval forces.
>>>>>
>>>>> Canada, however, was not complicit in this aggression, so the
>>>>> fact that military necessity may have compelled the United
>>>>> States to take action against Canada wouldn't stop Canada
>>>>> from percieving that as aggression on the part of the United
>>>>> States.
>>>>>
>>>>> History would have been simpler if Canada could have
>>>>> concluded a peace treaty with the United States at an earlier
>>>>> point, and then burned down Whitehall instead of the White
>>>>> House.
>>>>>
>>>>> John Savard
>>>> Or if the thirteen colonies has seized Canada also at the
>>>> conclusion of the Revolutionary War. There were many people in
>>>> favor of it.
>>>
>>> It's tough to compete with Mr Savard in this arena. But you
>>> might just have what it takes.
>>>
>>> William Hyde
>>
>> Hey, I just read a five book series of alternate history books
>> by S. M. Stirling, a former Canadian, where that happened. His
>> premise, not mine. Ended up with the entire Earth decimated and
>> in slavery.
>>
> Don't all his books end that way?

Not "Conquistador". Maybe the rest of the 30+ books of SMS that I read.
Not sure about the other 30 books.
https://smstirling.com/books/

Lynn

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 by: Dimensional Traveler - Wed, 11 May 2022 00:57 UTC

On 5/10/2022 4:46 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 5/10/2022 6:14 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:t5eot3$ouv$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 5/10/2022 3:47 PM, William Hyde wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 3:56:45 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On 5/10/2022 12:00 AM, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>>>> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 9:34:13 PM UTC-6, The Horny Goat
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One of the funniest (for me) speeches I ever gave to my
>>>>>>> Toastmasters club was a strongly pro-British rant on the War
>>>>>>> of 1812 (I'm in Canada) since while I have lots of ancestors
>>>>>>> who fought in that war e I have NO ancestors in Canada
>>>>>>> before about 1890 - meaning that all of my people fought on
>>>>>>> the American side!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nothing wrong with that, given that Britain started that war
>>>>>> by commiting aggression against the United States by
>>>>>> kidnapping its citizens to serve in their naval forces.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Canada, however, was not complicit in this aggression, so the
>>>>>> fact that military necessity may have compelled the United
>>>>>> States to take action against Canada wouldn't stop Canada
>>>>>> from percieving that as aggression on the part of the United
>>>>>> States.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> History would have been simpler if Canada could have
>>>>>> concluded a peace treaty with the United States at an earlier
>>>>>> point, and then burned down Whitehall instead of the White
>>>>>> House.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John Savard
>>>>> Or if the thirteen colonies has seized Canada also at the
>>>>> conclusion of the Revolutionary War. There were many people in
>>>>> favor of it.
>>>>
>>>> It's tough to compete with Mr Savard in this arena.  But you
>>>> might just have what it takes.
>>>>
>>>> William Hyde
>>>
>>> Hey, I just read a five book series of alternate history books
>>> by S. M. Stirling, a former Canadian, where that happened.  His
>>> premise, not mine.  Ended up with the entire Earth decimated and
>>> in slavery.
>>>
>> Don't all his books end that way?
>
> Not "Conquistador".  Maybe the rest of the 30+ books of SMS that I read.
>  Not sure about the other 30 books.
>    https://smstirling.com/books/
>
The "Dies the Fire"/"The Change" series _started_ that way. :P

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Wed, 11 May 2022 01:50 UTC

On 5/10/2022 7:57 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 5/10/2022 4:46 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 5/10/2022 6:14 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:t5eot3$ouv$1@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> On 5/10/2022 3:47 PM, William Hyde wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 3:56:45 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/10/2022 12:00 AM, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>>>>> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 9:34:13 PM UTC-6, The Horny Goat
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One of the funniest (for me) speeches I ever gave to my
>>>>>>>> Toastmasters club was a strongly pro-British rant on the War
>>>>>>>> of 1812 (I'm in Canada) since while I have lots of ancestors
>>>>>>>> who fought in that war e I have NO ancestors in Canada
>>>>>>>> before about 1890 - meaning that all of my people fought on
>>>>>>>> the American side!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nothing wrong with that, given that Britain started that war
>>>>>>> by commiting aggression against the United States by
>>>>>>> kidnapping its citizens to serve in their naval forces.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Canada, however, was not complicit in this aggression, so the
>>>>>>> fact that military necessity may have compelled the United
>>>>>>> States to take action against Canada wouldn't stop Canada
>>>>>>> from percieving that as aggression on the part of the United
>>>>>>> States.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> History would have been simpler if Canada could have
>>>>>>> concluded a peace treaty with the United States at an earlier
>>>>>>> point, and then burned down Whitehall instead of the White
>>>>>>> House.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Savard
>>>>>> Or if the thirteen colonies has seized Canada also at the
>>>>>> conclusion of the Revolutionary War. There were many people in
>>>>>> favor of it.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's tough to compete with Mr Savard in this arena.  But you
>>>>> might just have what it takes.
>>>>>
>>>>> William Hyde
>>>>
>>>> Hey, I just read a five book series of alternate history books
>>>> by S. M. Stirling, a former Canadian, where that happened.  His
>>>> premise, not mine.  Ended up with the entire Earth decimated and
>>>> in slavery.
>>>>
>>> Don't all his books end that way?
>>
>> Not "Conquistador".  Maybe the rest of the 30+ books of SMS that I
>> read.   Not sure about the other 30 books.
>>     https://smstirling.com/books/
>>
> The "Dies the Fire"/"The Change" series _started_ that way.  :P

After the first chapter in the first book.

Lynn

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 by: The Horny Goat - Wed, 11 May 2022 07:21 UTC

On Tue, 10 May 2022 14:56:40 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 5/10/2022 12:00 AM, Quadibloc wrote:
>> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 9:34:13 PM UTC-6, The Horny Goat wrote:
>>
>>> One of the funniest (for me) speeches I ever gave to my Toastmasters
>>> club was a strongly pro-British rant on the War of 1812 (I'm in
>>> Canada) since while I have lots of ancestors who fought in that war e
>>> I have NO ancestors in Canada before about 1890 - meaning that all of
>>> my people fought on the American side!
>>
>> Nothing wrong with that, given that Britain started that war by commiting
>> aggression against the United States by kidnapping its citizens to serve
>> in their naval forces.

Well that's a matter of opinion of course but what is unarguable is
that it was the actual declaration of war took place in Washington not
London.
>> Canada, however, was not complicit in this aggression, so the fact that
>> military necessity may have compelled the United States to take action
>> against Canada wouldn't stop Canada from percieving that as aggression
>> on the part of the United States.

Canada was not "complicit" for the very good reason that Canada had no
warships of her own to seize deserters now sailing under US colors.
Any ships Canada DID have sailed on Lake Ontario and were built during
the war.
>> History would have been simpler if Canada could have concluded a peace
>> treaty with the United States at an earlier point, and then burned down
>> Whitehall instead of the White House.

Whereas we tend to think of it in terms of 'you know those rockets
with a red glare? the bombs that burst in the air? Uh those were
ours...." though we tend not to say it with Americans around because
it's bad for business, especially now that the border has reopened.

In 2022 it is after all the world's longest undefended border!
>> John Savard
>
>Or if the thirteen colonies has seized Canada also at the conclusion of
>the Revolutionary War. There were many people in favor of it.

Well THAT invasion was in 1775 - and led by Benedict Arnold. Was he on
the British payroll yet at that point?

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 by: The Horny Goat - Wed, 11 May 2022 07:26 UTC

On Tue, 10 May 2022 14:56:40 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

>Or if the thirteen colonies has seized Canada also at the conclusion of
>the Revolutionary War. There were many people in favor of it.

Given fighting stopped after Yorktown with the British still in
posession of New York City a subsequent American expedition against
Ontario, Quebec or the Maritime provinces might not have ended nearly
as successfully particularly if the French fleet had been engaged by
the Royal Navy by then.

Such a move would likely have restarted fighting all over again.

(I have an old NYC newpaper from the interim period between the peace
and the British withdrawal in my filing cabinet - that 200 year old
newspaper is very brittle but clearly readable.)

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 by: Robert Woodward - Wed, 11 May 2022 17:01 UTC

In article <tjom7hhugb6u8u35ltaed9g3vptl6ke138@4ax.com>,
The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:

> On Tue, 10 May 2022 14:56:40 -0500, Lynn McGuire
> <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>
<SNIP re: US-Canada relations>
> >
> >Or if the thirteen colonies has seized Canada also at the conclusion of
> >the Revolutionary War. There were many people in favor of it.
>
> Well THAT invasion was in 1775 - and led by Benedict Arnold. Was he on
> the British payroll yet at that point?

There were two simultaneous invasions of Quebec in 1775. Arnold moved by
boat or overland through what is now Maine ("aided" by a bad map).
Montgomery went through the traditional invasion route of Lake Champlain
and the Richelieu River.

BTW, I received, three decades ago as either a birthday or Christmas
gift, a biography of Benedict Arnold*. The author displayed more of his
research then necessary, but it was clear that Arnold's abiding sin was
pride which had experienced multiple insults by 1779 (which is about
when he entered negotiations to defect).

*I suspect that my parents gave me the book because I had insisted on
looking for the monument to Arnold's leg when the family visited the
Saratoga battlefield back in the mid 1960s.

--
"We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_.
-------------------------------------------------------
Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

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 by: J. Clarke - Wed, 11 May 2022 17:18 UTC

On Wed, 11 May 2022 10:01:29 -0700, Robert Woodward
<robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:

>In article <tjom7hhugb6u8u35ltaed9g3vptl6ke138@4ax.com>,
> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 10 May 2022 14:56:40 -0500, Lynn McGuire
>> <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
><SNIP re: US-Canada relations>
>> >
>> >Or if the thirteen colonies has seized Canada also at the conclusion of
>> >the Revolutionary War. There were many people in favor of it.
>>
>> Well THAT invasion was in 1775 - and led by Benedict Arnold. Was he on
>> the British payroll yet at that point?
>
>There were two simultaneous invasions of Quebec in 1775. Arnold moved by
>boat or overland through what is now Maine ("aided" by a bad map).
>Montgomery went through the traditional invasion route of Lake Champlain
>and the Richelieu River.
>
>BTW, I received, three decades ago as either a birthday or Christmas
>gift, a biography of Benedict Arnold*. The author displayed more of his
>research then necessary, but it was clear that Arnold's abiding sin was
>pride which had experienced multiple insults by 1779 (which is about
>when he entered negotiations to defect).
>
>*I suspect that my parents gave me the book because I had insisted on
>looking for the monument to Arnold's leg when the family visited the
>Saratoga battlefield back in the mid 1960s.

Having climbed the stairs from the lower city to the upper city, I
have a great deal of pity for any soldier who had to make that climb
up the cliff in full military kit against opposition.

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 by: The Horny Goat - Wed, 11 May 2022 17:57 UTC

On Tue, 10 May 2022 17:27:47 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

>Hey, I just read a five book series of alternate history books by S. M.
>Stirling, a former Canadian, where that happened. His premise, not
>mine. Ended up with the entire Earth decimated and in slavery.

Hmmm. Didn't know Stirling had a Canadian connection.

He certainly made an opus out of work out of a simple play on words
(on "Marching Through Georgia").

As a chess player I certainly knew THAT Georgia (it did produce 2
world champions which is amazing for such a small republic / country)
but never connected General Sherman with THAT Georgia!

And DID enjoy the sections on how the Domination of the Draka came to
be though their conquest of Africa, Arabia and into Europe seems more
like a Civ 6 game than anything that might have happened.

On a related subject, I must admit I REALLY loved The Guns of the
South which I had thought for ages was Stirling but in fact is
Turtledove - particularly when I had that nagging feeling all through
the book I knew who AWB - "America Will Break" was and turned out to
be right. (Sorry - no spoilers here and telling who AWB was would be a
massive spoiler)

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 by: The Horny Goat - Wed, 11 May 2022 18:03 UTC

On Tue, 10 May 2022 16:13:52 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
<taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Or if the thirteen colonies has seized Canada also at the
>> conclusion of the Revolutionary War. There were many people in
>> favor of it.
>>
>And not all of them were in the US side.

One of the great fears of the British governor in 1812 was whether the
former Americans (NOT the 'United Empire Loyalists') who had moved to
southern Ontario from the Northern US after the Revolution was whether
these men would be loyal to the US or Canada. (Britain had been
selling land to farmers in what is now southern Ontario for about 1/3
the price of land in western NY and PA)

Most of them stayed loyal to the Canadian / British side because they
valued their lands more than their former country.

So while I don't doubt there were people in Upper and Lower Canada who
would have preferred US union they weren't anything like a majority
and were motivated more by land ownership than any other factor.

And with the greatest of respect the United States was simply not in
any condition to fight a second war (this time for Canada) immediately
after 1783. I know they dreamt of it in 1812 but to annex land you
first have to defeat whoever currently owns it and they never came
close to doing so in 1812-13 notwithsanding the best efforts of my
7xgreat-grandfather and his NY state militia friends to do so.

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On Tue, 10 May 2022 16:14:32 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
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>> Hey, I just read a five book series of alternate history books
>> by S. M. Stirling, a former Canadian, where that happened. His
>> premise, not mine. Ended up with the entire Earth decimated and
>> in slavery.
>>
>Don't all his books end that way?

His Island in the Sea of Time books didn't and he wrote more of those
than about Draka

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