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* A Nice Little Haul TodayTony Nance
+* Re: A Nice Little Haul TodayLynn McGuire
|`* Re: A Nice Little Haul TodayTony Nance
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+* Re: A Nice Little Haul TodayJames Nicoll
|+* Re: A Nice Little Haul TodayAndrew McDowell
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||  `* Re: A Nice Little Haul TodayRichard Todd
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 by: Tony Nance - Fri, 13 May 2022 02:23 UTC

Quite unusually, I pretty much had a day to myself, and after running
some errands and finishing a few minor projects, I ended up with an
open afternoon. So for the first time in roughly a year, I visited a couple
used book stores, resulting in a pretty nice haul that I'll sprinkle in to fill
some gaps in my reading over the next several months:

Poul Anderson - Shield
James Blish - Black Easter and The Day After Judgment (in one volume)
Leigh Brackett - Alpha Centauri or Die!
Steven Brust - Brokedown Palace
Samuel R.Delany - The Jewels of Aptor
Debra Doyle & James D.MacDonald - The Stars Asunder [Mageworlds #6]
Dave Duncan - The Coming of Wisdom [The Seventh Sword #2]
C.S. Friedman - Black Sun Rising
- In Conquest Born
David Kyle - Lensman from Rigel
Charles Sheffield - The Mind Pool (aka The Nimrod Hunt)
- The Cyborg from Earth [Jupiter #4, but I don’t have 1-3]
- The Compleat McAndrew
Jack Vance - The Languages of Pao

The Blish, Friedman, and Vance had been on my short list for a long while.
Anderson and Brackett are two favorites, and I didn't have these.
The Brust and Delany were opportunistic finds.
The three by Sheffield were because I recently very much enjoyed
The Web Between the Worlds and I was looking for anything else.
The Doyle&MacDonald and the Duncan are the next entries in series
I'd started but wasn't sure if I'd continue or not.
The Kyle was totally "yeah, maybe someday, but when will I ever see it again?"

Pretty spiffy little haul,
Tony

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Fri, 13 May 2022 03:37 UTC

On 5/12/2022 9:23 PM, Tony Nance wrote:
> Quite unusually, I pretty much had a day to myself, and after running
> some errands and finishing a few minor projects, I ended up with an
> open afternoon. So for the first time in roughly a year, I visited a couple
> used book stores, resulting in a pretty nice haul that I'll sprinkle in to fill
> some gaps in my reading over the next several months:
>
> Poul Anderson - Shield
> James Blish - Black Easter and The Day After Judgment (in one volume)
> Leigh Brackett - Alpha Centauri or Die!
> Steven Brust - Brokedown Palace
> Samuel R.Delany - The Jewels of Aptor
> Debra Doyle & James D.MacDonald - The Stars Asunder [Mageworlds #6]
> Dave Duncan - The Coming of Wisdom [The Seventh Sword #2]
> C.S. Friedman - Black Sun Rising
> - In Conquest Born
> David Kyle - Lensman from Rigel
> Charles Sheffield - The Mind Pool (aka The Nimrod Hunt)
> - The Cyborg from Earth [Jupiter #4, but I don’t have 1-3]
> - The Compleat McAndrew
> Jack Vance - The Languages of Pao
>
>
> The Blish, Friedman, and Vance had been on my short list for a long while.
> Anderson and Brackett are two favorites, and I didn't have these.
> The Brust and Delany were opportunistic finds.
> The three by Sheffield were because I recently very much enjoyed
> The Web Between the Worlds and I was looking for anything else.
> The Doyle&MacDonald and the Duncan are the next entries in series
> I'd started but wasn't sure if I'd continue or not.
> The Kyle was totally "yeah, maybe someday, but when will I ever see it again?"
>
> Pretty spiffy little haul,
> Tony

Cool. Half Price Books can have some great finds too. I have one in
Sugar Land, TX.

Lynn

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 by: James Nicoll - Fri, 13 May 2022 03:46 UTC

In article <d7e7d296-b76e-43c3-8a93-339435dfd86dn@googlegroups.com>,
Tony Nance <tonynance17@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>David Kyle - Lensman from Rigel

I thought I'd read an excerpt of the Kyle Lensmen but it must have
been William B. Ellern's Lensmen.
--
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 by: Andrew McDowell - Fri, 13 May 2022 04:45 UTC

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 4:46:37 AM UTC+1, James Nicoll wrote:
> In article <d7e7d296-b76e-43c3...@googlegroups.com>,
> Tony Nance <tonyn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >David Kyle - Lensman from Rigel
> I thought I'd read an excerpt of the Kyle Lensmen but it must have
> been William B. Ellern's Lensmen.
> --
> My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
> My tor pieces at https://www.tor.com/author/james-davis-nicoll/
> My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/
> My patreon is at https://www.patreon.com/jamesdnicoll
I remember enjoying a book on Nadreck, which I presume was in that series.

(I have just started re-reading "On Basilisk Station" after re-reading the proper Lensman series. I found more similarities in the Lensman series than I expected - more politics and espionage style action, and the technological progress in the Lensman series is more plausible when you notice that almost all of it is various varieties of technology transfer, not independent discovery).

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 by: Jack Bohn - Fri, 13 May 2022 12:47 UTC

Among the things Tony Nance bought:
>
> Poul Anderson - Shield
> James Blish - Black Easter and The Day After Judgment (in one volume)
> Leigh Brackett - Alpha Centauri or Die!
....
> Charles Sheffield - The Mind Pool (aka The Nimrod Hunt)
> - The Cyborg from Earth [Jupiter #4, but I don’t have 1-3]
> - The Compleat McAndrew
> Jack Vance - The Languages of Pao
>
>
> The Blish, Friedman, and Vance had been on my short list for a long while..
> Anderson and Brackett are two favorites, and I didn't have these.
> The three by Sheffield were because I recently very much enjoyed
> The Web Between the Worlds and I was looking for anything else.

I don't remember if we ever got around to recommending _The Mind Pool_, but I enjoyed both versions. He did another book set in the same universe, I'll have to read it again; at the time it wasn't what I was looking for in a sequel or even follow-up to this book. I'm remembering _Black Easter_ a lot clearer than "Day After Judgement_.

That Brackett title would at least get me to read the blurbs!
_Languages of Pao_ in my TBR pile.

--
-Jack

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 by: Michael F. Stemper - Fri, 13 May 2022 12:55 UTC

On 12/05/2022 21.23, Tony Nance wrote:
> Quite unusually, I pretty much had a day to myself, and after running
> some errands and finishing a few minor projects, I ended up with an
> open afternoon. So for the first time in roughly a year, I visited a couple
> used book stores, resulting in a pretty nice haul that I'll sprinkle in to fill
> some gaps in my reading over the next several months:
>
> Poul Anderson - Shield
> James Blish - Black Easter and The Day After Judgment (in one volume)
> Leigh Brackett - Alpha Centauri or Die!
> Steven Brust - Brokedown Palace
> Samuel R.Delany - The Jewels of Aptor
> Debra Doyle & James D.MacDonald - The Stars Asunder [Mageworlds #6]
> Dave Duncan - The Coming of Wisdom [The Seventh Sword #2]
> C.S. Friedman - Black Sun Rising
> - In Conquest Born
> David Kyle - Lensman from Rigel
> Charles Sheffield - The Mind Pool (aka The Nimrod Hunt)
> - The Cyborg from Earth [Jupiter #4, but I don’t have 1-3]
> - The Compleat McAndrew
> Jack Vance - The Languages of Pao
>
>
> The Blish, Friedman, and Vance had been on my short list for a long while.
> Anderson and Brackett are two favorites, and I didn't have these.
> The Brust and Delany were opportunistic finds.
> The three by Sheffield were because I recently very much enjoyed
> The Web Between the Worlds and I was looking for anything else.
> The Doyle&MacDonald and the Duncan are the next entries in series
> I'd started but wasn't sure if I'd continue or not.
> The Kyle was totally "yeah, maybe someday, but when will I ever see it again?"
>
> Pretty spiffy little haul,

Indeed, at least as far as the stuff with which I'm familiar.

_Shield_ is a "one man against society" thing, with the man being
a just-returned space man and society having changed while he was
gone.

_The Jewels of Aptor_ pushes the usual Delany buttons, with a
barefoot protagonist toting a musical instrument across a post-
apocalyptic landscape.

As a die-hard Lensmen fan, I'm ambivalent about the Kyle books.
More in that universe would have been better if "more" didn't
involved serious retcons.

I've liked what Sheffield I've read, but those were all in the
BDO (big dumb objects) setting.

As far as the Vance goes, I have heard great things about it, but
in general, he's never worked for me. To be honest, if I saw that
one on a shelf, I'd probably snarf it, too.

--
Michael F. Stemper
Nostalgia just ain't what it used to be.

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 by: Michael F. Stemper - Fri, 13 May 2022 13:12 UTC

On 12/05/2022 23.45, Andrew McDowell wrote:
> On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 4:46:37 AM UTC+1, James Nicoll wrote:
>> In article <d7e7d296-b76e-43c3...@googlegroups.com>,
>> Tony Nance <tonyn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> David Kyle - Lensman from Rigel
>> I thought I'd read an excerpt of the Kyle Lensmen but it must have
>> been William B. Ellern's Lensmen.

> I remember enjoying a book on Nadreck, which I presume was in that series.

That would be _Z-Lensman_. The entire "Other Lensmen" series is:
<http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?4156>

--
Michael F. Stemper
Nostalgia just ain't what it used to be.

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 by: James Nicoll - Fri, 13 May 2022 13:36 UTC

In article <7f53ae85-e758-4b18-900c-204301261380n@googlegroups.com>,
Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> wrote:
>Among the things Tony Nance bought:
>>
>> Poul Anderson - Shield
>> James Blish - Black Easter and The Day After Judgment (in one volume)
>> Leigh Brackett - Alpha Centauri or Die!
>...
>> Charles Sheffield - The Mind Pool (aka The Nimrod Hunt)
>> - The Cyborg from Earth [Jupiter #4, but I don’t have 1-3]
>> - The Compleat McAndrew
>> Jack Vance - The Languages of Pao
>>
>>
>> The Blish, Friedman, and Vance had been on my short list for a long while.
>> Anderson and Brackett are two favorites, and I didn't have these.
>> The three by Sheffield were because I recently very much enjoyed
>> The Web Between the Worlds and I was looking for anything else.
>
>I don't remember if we ever got around to recommending _The Mind Pool_, but I
>enjoyed both versions. He did another book set in the same universe, I'll
>have to read it again; at the time it wasn't what I was looking for in a
>sequel or even follow-up to this book. I'm remembering _Black Easter_ a lot
>clearer than "Day After Judgement_.
>
>That Brackett title would at least get me to read the blurbs!

Unfortunately, it's a minor Brackett. Although I suppose if I ever
wanted to do "five novels about people fleeing an oppressive Earth
government" it would be a possibility.
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 by: James Nicoll - Fri, 13 May 2022 13:58 UTC

In article <t5lkh9$nhh$1@dont-email.me>,
Michael F. Stemper <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 12/05/2022 21.23, Tony Nance wrote:
>> Quite unusually, I pretty much had a day to myself, and after running
>> some errands and finishing a few minor projects, I ended up with an
>> open afternoon. So for the first time in roughly a year, I visited a couple
>> used book stores, resulting in a pretty nice haul that I'll sprinkle in to fill
>> some gaps in my reading over the next several months:
>>
>> Poul Anderson - Shield
>> James Blish - Black Easter and The Day After Judgment (in one volume)
>> Leigh Brackett - Alpha Centauri or Die!
>> Steven Brust - Brokedown Palace
>> Samuel R.Delany - The Jewels of Aptor
>> Debra Doyle & James D.MacDonald - The Stars Asunder [Mageworlds #6]
>> Dave Duncan - The Coming of Wisdom [The Seventh Sword #2]
>> C.S. Friedman - Black Sun Rising
>> - In Conquest Born
>> David Kyle - Lensman from Rigel
>> Charles Sheffield - The Mind Pool (aka The Nimrod Hunt)
>> - The Cyborg from Earth [Jupiter #4, but I
>don’t have 1-3]
>> - The Compleat McAndrew
>> Jack Vance - The Languages of Pao
>>
>>
>> The Blish, Friedman, and Vance had been on my short list for a long while.
>> Anderson and Brackett are two favorites, and I didn't have these.
>> The Brust and Delany were opportunistic finds.
>> The three by Sheffield were because I recently very much enjoyed
>> The Web Between the Worlds and I was looking for anything else.
>> The Doyle&MacDonald and the Duncan are the next entries in series
>> I'd started but wasn't sure if I'd continue or not.
>> The Kyle was totally "yeah, maybe someday, but when will I ever see it again?"
>>
>> Pretty spiffy little haul,
>
>Indeed, at least as far as the stuff with which I'm familiar.
>
>_Shield_ is a "one man against society" thing, with the man being
>a just-returned space man and society having changed while he was
>gone.

One man and one woman, as I recall. Kind of an odd duck book, in
that the Pax America is presented as oppressive and unjust in its
methods [1]. My copy is a Berkley MMPB, which I don't think came
with one of Anderson's trademark "I wrote this when I was
young, don't judge me" intros. Published early 1960s but it
feels about a decade older.

1: It's basically the same setup as in Tau Zero, except it's Americans
running the world instead of Swedes, and their methods include wacking
mouthy foreigners to keep the rest in line.

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On 13/05/2022 08.58, James Nicoll wrote:
> In article <t5lkh9$nhh$1@dont-email.me>,
> Michael F. Stemper <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 12/05/2022 21.23, Tony Nance wrote:
>>> Quite unusually, I pretty much had a day to myself, and after running
>>> some errands and finishing a few minor projects, I ended up with an
>>> open afternoon. So for the first time in roughly a year, I visited a couple
>>> used book stores, resulting in a pretty nice haul that I'll sprinkle in to fill
>>> some gaps in my reading over the next several months:
>>>
>>> Poul Anderson - Shield
>>> James Blish - Black Easter and The Day After Judgment (in one volume)
>>> Leigh Brackett - Alpha Centauri or Die!
>>> Steven Brust - Brokedown Palace
>>> Samuel R.Delany - The Jewels of Aptor
>>> Debra Doyle & James D.MacDonald - The Stars Asunder [Mageworlds #6]
>>> Dave Duncan - The Coming of Wisdom [The Seventh Sword #2]
>>> C.S. Friedman - Black Sun Rising
>>> - In Conquest Born
>>> David Kyle - Lensman from Rigel
>>> Charles Sheffield - The Mind Pool (aka The Nimrod Hunt)
>>> - The Cyborg from Earth [Jupiter #4, but I
>> don’t have 1-3]
>>> - The Compleat McAndrew
>>> Jack Vance - The Languages of Pao
>>>
>>>
>>> The Blish, Friedman, and Vance had been on my short list for a long while.
>>> Anderson and Brackett are two favorites, and I didn't have these.
>>> The Brust and Delany were opportunistic finds.
>>> The three by Sheffield were because I recently very much enjoyed
>>> The Web Between the Worlds and I was looking for anything else.
>>> The Doyle&MacDonald and the Duncan are the next entries in series
>>> I'd started but wasn't sure if I'd continue or not.
>>> The Kyle was totally "yeah, maybe someday, but when will I ever see it again?"
>>>
>>> Pretty spiffy little haul,
>>
>> Indeed, at least as far as the stuff with which I'm familiar.
>>
>> _Shield_ is a "one man against society" thing, with the man being
>> a just-returned space man and society having changed while he was
>> gone.
>
> One man and one woman, as I recall.

Kind of, except in the end, she leaves him, due to class differences.

> Kind of an odd duck book, in
> that the Pax America is presented as oppressive and unjust in its
> methods [1]. My copy is a Berkley MMPB, which I don't think came
> with one of Anderson's trademark "I wrote this when I was
> young, don't judge me" intros. Published early 1960s but it
> feels about a decade older.

The ISFDB shows that it came out in serial form in 1962, which was only
about a year before the first Berkley edition. Anderson hadn't had time
to regret the sins of his youth.

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In article <t5lkh9$nhh$1@dont-email.me>,
Michael F. Stemper <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>As far as the Vance goes [_The Languages of Pao_], I have heard
>great things about it, but in general, he's never worked for me.
>To be honest, if I saw that one on a shelf, I'd probably snarf it,
>too.
>

Been a long time, but I remember TLOP as being more mainstream(*) Vance,
before all the sumptuous meals and footnotes.

(*) As in "mainstream sf". Actual "Mainstream Vance" *would* have sumptuous
meals and footnotes.
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In article <t5llgg$uvs$1@dont-email.me>,
Michael F. Stemper <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 12/05/2022 23.45, Andrew McDowell wrote:
>> On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 4:46:37 AM UTC+1, James Nicoll wrote:
>>> In article <d7e7d296-b76e-43c3...@googlegroups.com>,
>>> Tony Nance <tonyn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> David Kyle - Lensman from Rigel
>>> I thought I'd read an excerpt of the Kyle Lensmen but it must have
>>> been William B. Ellern's Lensmen.
>
>> I remember enjoying a book on Nadreck, which I presume was in that series.
>
>That would be _Z-Lensman_. The entire "Other Lensmen" series is:
><http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?4156>
>

What was the one that Ackerman serialized in Perry Rhodan?
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On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 11:37:24 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 5/12/2022 9:23 PM, Tony Nance wrote:
> > Quite unusually, I pretty much had a day to myself, and after running
> > some errands and finishing a few minor projects, I ended up with an
> > open afternoon. So for the first time in roughly a year, I visited a couple
> > used book stores, resulting in a pretty nice haul that I'll sprinkle in to fill
> > some gaps in my reading over the next several months:
> >
> > <snip pretty nice haul for brevity>
> >
> Cool. Half Price Books can have some great finds too. I have one in
> Sugar Land, TX.
>

HPB is exactly where I was yesterday - both stores. We have 5 in the area
(one of which is "Temporarily Closed"), and I went to the two that are
best for SFF.

Tony

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On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 11:46:37 PM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
> In article <d7e7d296-b76e-43c3...@googlegroups.com>,
> Tony Nance <tonyn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >David Kyle - Lensman from Rigel
>
> I thought I'd read an excerpt of the Kyle Lensmen but it must have
> been William B. Ellern's Lensmen.
>

I've heard of the Ellern but never seen one. And apparently there are
two other Kyle additions to make an "Authorized Lensmen Trilogy"
(per isfdb).

Tony

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On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 8:56:13 AM UTC-4, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
> On 12/05/2022 21.23, Tony Nance wrote:
> > Quite unusually, I pretty much had a day to myself, and after running
> > some errands and finishing a few minor projects, I ended up with an
> > open afternoon. So for the first time in roughly a year, I visited a couple
> > used book stores, resulting in a pretty nice haul that I'll sprinkle in to fill
> > some gaps in my reading over the next several months:
> >
> > <snip for brevity>
>
> > Pretty spiffy little haul,
>
> Indeed, at least as far as the stuff with which I'm familiar.
>
> _Shield_ is a "one man against society" thing, with the man being
> a just-returned space man and society having changed while he was
> gone.
>
> _The Jewels of Aptor_ pushes the usual Delany buttons, with a
> barefoot protagonist toting a musical instrument across a post-
> apocalyptic landscape.
>

Cool - thanks for both of those

> As a die-hard Lensmen fan, I'm ambivalent about the Kyle books.
> More in that universe would have been better if "more" didn't
> involved serious retcons.
>

I'm expecting it to...not be very good. I'm also disappointed
that my E.E.Smith Lensman stuff has gone walkabout - my
dad says he never had it, so ... where did it go?

> I've liked what Sheffield I've read, but those were all in the
> BDO (big dumb objects) setting.
>

If they're roughly as good (or better) that The Web Between
the Worlds, then sign me up.

> As far as the Vance goes, I have heard great things about it, but
> in general, he's never worked for me. To be honest, if I saw that
> one on a shelf, I'd probably snarf it, too.
>

Bummer that Vance doesn't work for you. As someone who is
Heinlein-blind, it can be occasionally annoying to know there's a
large quantity of well-regarded works out there that aren't your thing.

Tony

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 by: Michael F. Stemper - Fri, 13 May 2022 15:42 UTC

On 13/05/2022 10.04, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> In article <t5llgg$uvs$1@dont-email.me>,
> Michael F. Stemper <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 12/05/2022 23.45, Andrew McDowell wrote:
>>> On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 4:46:37 AM UTC+1, James Nicoll wrote:
>>>> In article <d7e7d296-b76e-43c3...@googlegroups.com>,
>>>> Tony Nance <tonyn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> David Kyle - Lensman from Rigel
>>>> I thought I'd read an excerpt of the Kyle Lensmen but it must have
>>>> been William B. Ellern's Lensmen.
>>
>>> I remember enjoying a book on Nadreck, which I presume was in that series.
>>
>> That would be _Z-Lensman_. The entire "Other Lensmen" series is:
>> <http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?4156>
>>
>
> What was the one that Ackerman serialized in Perry Rhodan?

I've never seen it, but I think that that's the stuff written by
William B. Ellern:
<http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?11862>

Gharlane's Lensmen FAQ mentioned this, but I can no longer find
the archived version.

--
Michael F. Stemper
Psalm 82:3-4

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 by: Robert Carnegie - Fri, 13 May 2022 15:50 UTC

On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 14:58:41 UTC+1, James Nicoll wrote:
> In article <t5lkh9$nhh$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Michael F. Stemper <michael...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >_Shield_ is a "one man against society" thing, with the man being
> >a just-returned space man and society having changed while he was
> >gone.
>
> One man and one woman, as I recall. Kind of an odd duck book, in
> that the Pax America is presented as oppressive and unjust in its
> methods [1]. My copy is a Berkley MMPB, which I don't think came
> with one of [Poul] Anderson's trademark "I wrote this when I was
> young, don't judge me" intros. Published early 1960s but it
> feels about a decade older.
>
> 1: It's basically the same setup as in Tau Zero, except it's Americans
> running the world instead of Swedes, and their methods include wacking
> mouthy foreigners to keep the rest in line.

I kind of want to know the mean or median date
of Tony's latest acquisitions. Some I'm pretty sure
are older than I am, which might be the reason for
buying. It also may be obvious in not-so-good
ways, but I have a lot of love for dead authors.
And living ones tweet, "whatever that is" :-)
So, swings, roundabouts.

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 by: Don - Fri, 13 May 2022 17:02 UTC

Michael F. Stemper wrote:
> Ted Nolan wrote:
>> Michael F. Stemper wrote:
>>> Andrew McDowell wrote:
>>>> James Nicoll wrote:
>>>>> Tony Nance wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David Kyle - Lensman from Rigel
>>>>> I thought I'd read an excerpt of the Kyle Lensmen but it must have
>>>>> been William B. Ellern's Lensmen.
>>>
>>>> I remember enjoying a book on Nadreck, which I presume was in that series.
>>>
>>> That would be _Z-Lensman_. The entire "Other Lensmen" series is:
>>> <http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?4156>
>>>
>>
>> What was the one that Ackerman serialized in Perry Rhodan?
>
> I've never seen it, but I think that that's the stuff written by
> William B. Ellern:
> <http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?11862>
>
> Gharlane's Lensmen FAQ mentioned this, but I can no longer find
> the archived version.

From my vantage point as a PR newbie, with only about a quarter of Ace's
PR corpus consumed (read) to date, one such Smith serialization comes to
mind. It's "Cosmos Chapter 13a Course Perilous!" by either Edward E.
Smith, Ph.D. (author of: 'The Skylark of Space' & 'Grey Lensman') or
Virgil Finlay. Ace's own pulpy printed page proclaims Smith the author.
While ISFDB tells a different story and attributes the story to Finlay:
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?958455 .
Then there's the titular transformation within _Cosmo_ itself:
where the same story shows up as "What a Course!" by Edward E. Smith,
Ph.D.:
https://cosmos-serial.com/cosmos-the-serial/chapter-13-what-a-course-by-edward-e-smith-ph-d/

Danke,

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 by: ted@loft.tnolan.com - Fri, 13 May 2022 17:43 UTC

In article <20220513a@crcomp.net>, Don <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
>Michael F. Stemper wrote:
>> Ted Nolan wrote:
>>> Michael F. Stemper wrote:
>>>> Andrew McDowell wrote:
>>>>> James Nicoll wrote:
>>>>>> Tony Nance wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David Kyle - Lensman from Rigel
>>>>>> I thought I'd read an excerpt of the Kyle Lensmen but it must have
>>>>>> been William B. Ellern's Lensmen.
>>>>
>>>>> I remember enjoying a book on Nadreck, which I presume was in that series.
>>>>
>>>> That would be _Z-Lensman_. The entire "Other Lensmen" series is:
>>>> <http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?4156>
>>>>
>>>
>>> What was the one that Ackerman serialized in Perry Rhodan?
>>
>> I've never seen it, but I think that that's the stuff written by
>> William B. Ellern:
>> <http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?11862>
>>
>> Gharlane's Lensmen FAQ mentioned this, but I can no longer find
>> the archived version.
>
>From my vantage point as a PR newbie, with only about a quarter of Ace's
>PR corpus consumed (read) to date, one such Smith serialization comes to
>mind. It's "Cosmos Chapter 13a Course Perilous!" by either Edward E.
>Smith, Ph.D. (author of: 'The Skylark of Space' & 'Grey Lensman') or
>Virgil Finlay. Ace's own pulpy printed page proclaims Smith the author.
>While ISFDB tells a different story and attributes the story to Finlay:
>http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?958455 .
> Then there's the titular transformation within _Cosmo_ itself:
>where the same story shows up as "What a Course!" by Edward E. Smith,
>Ph.D.:
>https://cosmos-serial.com/cosmos-the-serial/chapter-13-what-a-course-by-edward-e-smith-ph-d/
>
>Danke,
>

I am reading _Cosmos_ now, a chapter between finishing one book and
starting another. The Keller chapter is very proto-Lafferty.
--
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On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 11:43:10 AM UTC-4, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
> On 13/05/2022 10.04, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> > In article <t5llgg$uvs$1...@dont-email.me>,
> > Michael F. Stemper <michael...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 12/05/2022 23.45, Andrew McDowell wrote:
> >>> On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 4:46:37 AM UTC+1, James Nicoll wrote:
> >>>> In article <d7e7d296-b76e-43c3...@googlegroups.com>,
> >>>> Tony Nance <tonyn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> David Kyle - Lensman from Rigel
> >>>> I thought I'd read an excerpt of the Kyle Lensmen but it must have
> >>>> been William B. Ellern's Lensmen.
> >>
> >>> I remember enjoying a book on Nadreck, which I presume was in that series.
> >>
> >> That would be _Z-Lensman_. The entire "Other Lensmen" series is:
> >> <http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?4156>
> >>
> >
> > What was the one that Ackerman serialized in Perry Rhodan?
> I've never seen it, but I think that that's the stuff written by
> William B. Ellern:
> <http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?11862>
>
> Gharlane's Lensmen FAQ mentioned this, but I can no longer find
> the archived version.
>

Currently accessible here (a different URL than we'd previously had):
http://decomposed.outel.org/goe/lensfaq.html

Original URL, accessible via the Wayback Machine (archive.org) here:
https://web.archive.org/web/20210507155225/http://www.outel.org/decomposed/goe/lensfaq.html

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 by: Tony Nance - Fri, 13 May 2022 18:42 UTC

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 11:50:42 AM UTC-4, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 14:58:41 UTC+1, James Nicoll wrote:
> > <snip>
>
> I kind of want to know the mean or median date
> of Tony's latest acquisitions.

Let's see - same list, with years:

Poul Anderson - Shield (1963)
James Blish - Black Easter and The Day After Judgment (in one volume) (1968 and 1971)
Leigh Brackett - Alpha Centauri or Die! (1963)
Steven Brust - Brokedown Palace (1985)
Samuel R.Delany - The Jewels of Aptor (1962)
Debra Doyle & James D.MacDonald - The Stars Asunder [Mageworlds #6] (1999)
Dave Duncan - The Coming of Wisdom [The Seventh Sword #2] (1988)
C.S. Friedman - Black Sun Rising (1991)
- In Conquest Born (1987)
David Kyle - Lensman from Rigel (1982)
Charles Sheffield - The Mind Pool (1993) (aka The Nimrod Hunt (1986) )
- The Cyborg from Earth [Jupiter #4, but I don’t have 1-3] (1998)
- The Compleat McAndrew (2000 as a collection; latest stories are 1999)
Jack Vance - The Languages of Pao (1958)

So...1985 median. (I didn't do the mean.)

> Some I'm pretty sure are older than I am, which might be the reason for
> buying. It also may be obvious in not-so-good ways, but I have a lot of
> love for dead authors. And living ones tweet, "whatever that is" :-)
> So, swings, roundabouts.

For me, I'm just looking for "probably enjoyable stuff I haven't read yet".
Of course, "used" means "cheaper, so more likely to take the risk", too.

Tony

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 by: Robert Carnegie - Fri, 13 May 2022 18:56 UTC

On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 19:42:11 UTC+1, Tony Nance wrote:
> On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 11:50:42 AM UTC-4, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> > On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 14:58:41 UTC+1, James Nicoll wrote:
> > > <snip>
> >
> > I kind of want to know the mean or median date
> > of Tony's latest acquisitions.
> Let's see - same list, with years:
>
> Poul Anderson - Shield (1963)
> James Blish - Black Easter and The Day After Judgment (in one volume) (1968 and 1971)
> Leigh Brackett - Alpha Centauri or Die! (1963)
> Steven Brust - Brokedown Palace (1985)
> Samuel R.Delany - The Jewels of Aptor (1962)
> Debra Doyle & James D.MacDonald - The Stars Asunder [Mageworlds #6] (1999)
> Dave Duncan - The Coming of Wisdom [The Seventh Sword #2] (1988)
> C.S. Friedman - Black Sun Rising (1991)
> - In Conquest Born (1987)
> David Kyle - Lensman from Rigel (1982)
> Charles Sheffield - The Mind Pool (1993) (aka The Nimrod Hunt (1986) )
> - The Cyborg from Earth [Jupiter #4, but I don’t have 1-3] (1998)
> - The Compleat McAndrew (2000 as a collection; latest stories are 1999)
> Jack Vance - The Languages of Pao (1958)
>
> So...1985 median. (I didn't do the mean.)
> > Some I'm pretty sure are older than I am, which might be the reason for
> > buying. It also may be obvious in not-so-good ways, but I have a lot of
> > love for dead authors. And living ones tweet, "whatever that is" :-)
> > So, swings, roundabouts.
> For me, I'm just looking for "probably enjoyable stuff I haven't read yet".
> Of course, "used" means "cheaper, so more likely to take the risk", too.

Thank you! And, wow, I missed that you got a lot
of "new" stuff... from the 1990s. ...Um... ...

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 by: Michael F. Stemper - Fri, 13 May 2022 19:12 UTC

On 13/05/2022 12.47, Tony Nance wrote:
> On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 11:43:10 AM UTC-4, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
>> On 13/05/2022 10.04, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:

>>> What was the one that Ackerman serialized in Perry Rhodan?
>> I've never seen it, but I think that that's the stuff written by
>> William B. Ellern:
>> <http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?11862>
>>
>> Gharlane's Lensmen FAQ mentioned this, but I can no longer find
>> the archived version.
>>
>
> Currently accessible here (a different URL than we'd previously had):
> http://decomposed.outel.org/goe/lensfaq.html

Thank you. I had:
<http://www.outel.org/decomposed/goe/lensfaq.html>
which is sooo close! I will update accordingly.

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Fri, 13 May 2022 20:15 UTC

On 5/13/2022 10:17 AM, Tony Nance wrote:
> On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 11:37:24 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 5/12/2022 9:23 PM, Tony Nance wrote:
>>> Quite unusually, I pretty much had a day to myself, and after running
>>> some errands and finishing a few minor projects, I ended up with an
>>> open afternoon. So for the first time in roughly a year, I visited a couple
>>> used book stores, resulting in a pretty nice haul that I'll sprinkle in to fill
>>> some gaps in my reading over the next several months:
>>>
>>> <snip pretty nice haul for brevity>
>>>
>> Cool. Half Price Books can have some great finds too. I have one in
>> Sugar Land, TX.
>>
>
> HPB is exactly where I was yesterday - both stores. We have 5 in the area
> (one of which is "Temporarily Closed"), and I went to the two that are
> best for SFF.
>
> Tony

Cool ! I did not realize that HPB was interstate until recently.
Apparently there are over 120 of them.
https://hpb.com/

Lynn

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 by: Richard Todd - Fri, 13 May 2022 23:11 UTC

ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) writes:

> What was the one that Ackerman serialized in Perry Rhodan?

William B. Ellern's _New Lensman_. It was better than the Kyle novels,
and took considerably fewer liberties with Smith's background setting,
being basically the story of one Triplanetary Service
agent-turned-Lensman assigned to Copernicus City on the Moon and having
to foil Boskonian terrorist plot duriing the time of _First Lensman_.

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