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* [tor dot com] Five Series Made Up of Standalone NovelsJames Nicoll
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 by: James Nicoll - Fri, 13 May 2022 13:30 UTC

Five Series Made Up of Standalone Novels
https://www.tor.com/2022/05/13/five-series-made-up-of-standalone-novels/

What it says on the tin: some series are really one very long novel,
broken into parts. This looks at anther sort, where each book can be
read on its own.
--
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 by: Michael F. Stemper - Fri, 13 May 2022 13:52 UTC

On 13/05/2022 08.30, James Nicoll wrote:
> Five Series Made Up of Standalone Novels
> https://www.tor.com/2022/05/13/five-series-made-up-of-standalone-novels/
>
> What it says on the tin: some series are really one very long novel,
> broken into parts. This looks at anther sort, where each book can be
> read on its own.

H. Beam Piper's future history certainly falls into this category.
Without looking up the information, I couldn't say which of _Space
Viking_, _The Cosmic Computer_, or _Little Fuzzy_ happens first.

For that matter, Anderson's magnum opus of the Polesotechnic League
through Adm. Flandry is all stand-alone, although there are continuing
themes and characters, and events in one influence what happens in
another.

--
Michael F. Stemper
There's no "me" in "team". There's no "us" in "team", either.

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Subject: Re: [tor dot com] Five Series Made Up of Standalone Novels
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 by: James Nicoll - Fri, 13 May 2022 14:03 UTC

In article <t5lnqj$jaa$1@dont-email.me>,
Michael F. Stemper <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 13/05/2022 08.30, James Nicoll wrote:
>> Five Series Made Up of Standalone Novels
>> https://www.tor.com/2022/05/13/five-series-made-up-of-standalone-novels/
>>
>> What it says on the tin: some series are really one very long novel,
>> broken into parts. This looks at anther sort, where each book can be
>> read on its own.
>
>H. Beam Piper's future history certainly falls into this category.
>Without looking up the information, I couldn't say which of _Space
>Viking_, _The Cosmic Computer_, or _Little Fuzzy_ happens first.

Oh, very definitely Little Fuzzy (the Federation's golden age),
then The Cosmic Computer (the Federation's gears are making
unhappy grinding sounds), and then Space Viking (the Federation
is dead and gone, and the barbarians rule [1]). One could read
The Cosmic Computer + Space Viking as analogous to the
Foundation series.

1: Not only are the dominant cultures committed to wealth acquisition
using methods that destroy more than they harvest, it's the only
Piper book where women are more possessions than equals.
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 by: Tony Nance - Fri, 13 May 2022 15:04 UTC

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 9:30:04 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
> Five Series Made Up of Standalone Novels
> https://www.tor.com/2022/05/13/five-series-made-up-of-standalone-novels/
>
> What it says on the tin: some series are really one very long novel,
> broken into parts. This looks at anther sort, where each book can be
> read on its own.
>

1) Re: It’s odd I cannot think of short, snappy terms to distinguish the two
models. Do you have any ideas?

Maybe “episodic” (vs “serial” or “sequential”)?

2) Re: other examples
banks - culture
vinge - zones of thought
bujold - five gods (pre-Penric)
hughart - master li and number ten ox
asimov - lije bailey
lwe - ethshar
Hmm...Cook's Garrett books?

3) Is there a squishy in-between zone for things like Vance's
Gaean Reach, which are a combination of standalone works
and completely independent series?

Tony

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 by: Garrett Wollman - Fri, 13 May 2022 15:26 UTC

In article <9ab219f9-8ef6-4323-98f7-a4fd00a631d1n@googlegroups.com>,
Tony Nance <tonynance17@gmail.com> wrote:

>3) Is there a squishy in-between zone for things like Vance's
>Gaean Reach, which are a combination of standalone works
>and completely independent series?

It's pretty clear that there's a continuum, and even within the same
setting authors can write stuff that's more or less independent.[1] I
think the trend over time is for successful series authors to make
their books less and less stand-alone -- writing the scene-setting
over and over again has to become tiresome, not to mention boring to
the loyal readers.

The practice of including a precis of "the story so far" for series
seems to have gone by the wayside, and not just in novels.

-GAWollman

[1] Consider what we mean when we talk about "alternate entry points"
rather than just reading in chronological order of publication.
--
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 by: Andrew McDowell - Fri, 13 May 2022 18:24 UTC

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 2:30:04 PM UTC+1, James Nicoll wrote:
> Five Series Made Up of Standalone Novels
> https://www.tor.com/2022/05/13/five-series-made-up-of-standalone-novels/
>
> What it says on the tin: some series are really one very long novel,
> broken into parts. This looks at anther sort, where each book can be
> read on its own.
> --
> My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
> My tor pieces at https://www.tor.com/author/james-davis-nicoll/
> My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/
> My patreon is at https://www.patreon.com/jamesdnicoll

I think I remember either David Drake or somebody quoting David Drake talking about this on a Baen podcast. They said that if somebody buys your book in haste at an airport bookstall and then finds out it is book three of a series and makes no sense without the first two, they will be sure never to buy from you again, so books in a series should be as self-standing as possible. Certainly Drake's excellent RCN (Leary/Mundy) series is self-standing.. One of the later books - I think #12 Though Hell Should Bar the Way - is a particularly good example of this. The viewpoint character is new to the series, and joins the ship largely by happenstance, to be informed by another character outside the central circle that he has unknowingly signed on to a ship that functions more like a special forces commando than part of the ordinary RCN. You get interesting new views of the longstanding characters from the outside as he finds his feet.

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 by: Robert Carnegie - Fri, 13 May 2022 20:19 UTC

On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 16:04:19 UTC+1, Tony Nance wrote:
> On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 9:30:04 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
> > Five Series Made Up of Standalone Novels
> > https://www.tor.com/2022/05/13/five-series-made-up-of-standalone-novels/
> >
> > What it says on the tin: some series are really one very long novel,
> > broken into parts. This looks at anther sort, where each book can be
> > read on its own.
> >
> 1) Re: It’s odd I cannot think of short, snappy terms to distinguish the two
> models. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Maybe “episodic” (vs “serial” or “sequential”)?
>
> 2) Re: other examples
> banks - culture
> vinge - zones of thought
> bujold - five gods (pre-Penric)
> hughart - master li and number ten ox
> asimov - lije bailey
> lwe - ethshar
> Hmm...Cook's Garrett books?
>
> 3) Is there a squishy in-between zone for things like Vance's
> Gaean Reach, which are a combination of standalone works
> and completely independent series?

If I'm allowed, I used the portal to the Jo Waltonverse
<https://www.tor.com/2009/04/06/so-what-sort-of-series-do-you-like/#comment-947139>
to give names to her categories.

Not worthy to share at Tor, I judge, are other thoughts of
"-verse" for individual complete books with a common
setting and "ology" for one story in many volumes.

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Fri, 13 May 2022 20:24 UTC

On 5/13/2022 8:30 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
> Five Series Made Up of Standalone Novels
> https://www.tor.com/2022/05/13/five-series-made-up-of-standalone-novels/
>
> What it says on the tin: some series are really one very long novel,
> broken into parts. This looks at anther sort, where each book can be
> read on its own.

Zero for five here. Would Heinlein's future history count for this ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_History_(Heinlein)

Lynn

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 by: Martin - Sat, 14 May 2022 16:06 UTC

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 9:30:04 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
> Five Series Made Up of Standalone Novels
> https://www.tor.com/2022/05/13/five-series-made-up-of-standalone-novels/
>
> What it says on the tin: some series are really one very long novel,
> broken into parts. This looks at anther sort, where each book can be
> read on its own.
> --
> My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
> My tor pieces at https://www.tor.com/author/james-davis-nicoll/
> My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/
> My patreon is at https://www.patreon.com/jamesdnicoll

How about James Schmitz's Federation of the Hub stories? There are more short stories and novellas than actual novels, but they can be read in pretty much any order.

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 by: Andrew McDowell - Sat, 14 May 2022 16:18 UTC

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 9:24:17 PM UTC+1, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 5/13/2022 8:30 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
> > Five Series Made Up of Standalone Novels
> > https://www.tor.com/2022/05/13/five-series-made-up-of-standalone-novels/
> >
> > What it says on the tin: some series are really one very long novel,
> > broken into parts. This looks at anther sort, where each book can be
> > read on its own.
> Zero for five here. Would Heinlein's future history count for this ?
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_History_(Heinlein)
>
> Lynn
I like the Astreiant series. It is an interesting medieval fantasy world, well described, and the good guys work well together (in fact two of them are in a male-male relationship but most of what is described is them working together to find the bad guys).

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 by: Robert Woodward - Sat, 14 May 2022 17:00 UTC

In article <c42cc46c-6395-4320-9535-fece0b0cab50n@googlegroups.com>,
Martin <mooremar@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 9:30:04 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
> > Five Series Made Up of Standalone Novels
> > https://www.tor.com/2022/05/13/five-series-made-up-of-standalone-novels/
> >
> > What it says on the tin: some series are really one very long novel,
> > broken into parts. This looks at anther sort, where each book can be
> > read on its own.
> > --
> > My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
> > My tor pieces at https://www.tor.com/author/james-davis-nicoll/
> > My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/
> > My patreon is at https://www.patreon.com/jamesdnicoll
>
> How about James Schmitz's Federation of the Hub stories? There are more
> short stories and novellas than actual novels, but they can be read in pretty
> much any order.

Several of the Telzey stories obviously take place after other Telzey
stories (IIRC, publication order, with one or two exceptions, can be
assumed to be internal order).

--
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In article <c42cc46c-6395-4320-9535-fece0b0cab50n@googlegroups.com>,
Martin <mooremar@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 9:30:04 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
>> Five Series Made Up of Standalone Novels
>> https://www.tor.com/2022/05/13/five-series-made-up-of-standalone-novels/
>>
>> What it says on the tin: some series are really one very long novel,
>> broken into parts. This looks at anther sort, where each book can be
>> read on its own.
>> --
>> My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
>> My tor pieces at https://www.tor.com/author/james-davis-nicoll/
>> My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/
>> My patreon is at https://www.patreon.com/jamesdnicoll
>
>How about James Schmitz's Federation of the Hub stories? There are more
>short stories and novellas than actual novels, but they can be read in
>pretty much any order.

Do you happen to have a link to the whole lot?

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
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djheydt at gmail dot com
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On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 7:30:04 AM UTC-6, James Nicoll wrote:
> Five Series Made Up of Standalone Novels
> https://www.tor.com/2022/05/13/five-series-made-up-of-standalone-novels/

I suppose one _could_ think of the Honor Harrington series, and similar
ones - Kylara Vatta's, and Kris Longknife's - as examples of this.

But what came to my mind, instead, was the Demon Princes novels of
Jack Vance. I am a bit unhappy that they began with the Demon Princes as
disguised members of an alien race, and changed them into ordinary
mega-criminals in the later novels, but otherwise I found them an excellent
read.

I think both kinds of series have their place. There are short stories, there
are novelettes, there are novels, why not epics and sagas?

John Savard

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On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 8:30:04 AM UTC-5, James Nicoll wrote:
> Five Series Made Up of Standalone Novels
> https://www.tor.com/2022/05/13/five-series-made-up-of-standalone-novels/
>
> What it says on the tin: some series are really one very long novel,
> broken into parts. This looks at anther sort, where each book can be
> read on its own.

I would put the Murderbot Diaries stories by Martha Wells in that category. While there is some linkage between stories, they are mostly different locations and often totally different casts other than Murderbot itself.

All Systems Red - Murderbot meets the Preservation team and its secret is exposed.
Artificial Condition - Murderbot leaves to investigate its past, and meets ART (Asshole Research Transport)
Rogue Protocol - Murderbot picks up a news item related to the events of the first work and investigates.
Exit Strategy - Murderbot finds out the Preservation folks are in trouble and comes to the rescue.
Network Effect - Murderbot works for the Preservation team, but is dragged into mysterious events with ART and its crew.
Fugitive Telemetry - Murderbot plays detective in a murder mystery on one of the Preservation stations.

Brian

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On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 8:30:04 AM UTC-5, James Nicoll wrote:
> Five Series Made Up of Standalone Novels
> https://www.tor.com/2022/05/13/five-series-made-up-of-standalone-novels/
>
> What it says on the tin: some series are really one very long novel,
> broken into parts. This looks at anther sort, where each book can be
> read on its own.
>
Tim Powers has a Trilogy (Last Call, Expiration Date, and Earthquake Weather) in which the last one is a sort of a sequel to the first 2.

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On 14/05/2022 20.44, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <c42cc46c-6395-4320-9535-fece0b0cab50n@googlegroups.com>,
> Martin <mooremar@gmail.com> wrote:

>> How about James Schmitz's Federation of the Hub stories? There are more
>> short stories and novellas than actual novels, but they can be read in
>> pretty much any order.
>
> Do you happen to have a link to the whole lot?
>
How about this?

<http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?544>

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On 14/05/22 01:30, James Nicoll wrote:
> Five Series Made Up of Standalone Novels
> https://www.tor.com/2022/05/13/five-series-made-up-of-standalone-novels/
>
> What it says on the tin: some series are really one very long novel,
> broken into parts. This looks at anther sort, where each book can be
> read on its own.

A Carlos Ruiz Zafon Trilogy not only claims that each book can be read
on its own but that they can be read in any order. I am reading them in
publication order having read _The Shadow of the Wind_ and forgotten it
before reading _The Angel's Game_ earlier this year. I have yet to start
_The Prisoner of Heaven_.
They are dark and gothic, well written and disturbingly fascinating.
Recommended.

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On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 8:30:04 AM UTC-5, James Nicoll wrote:
> Five Series Made Up of Standalone Novels
> https://www.tor.com/2022/05/13/five-series-made-up-of-standalone-novels/
>
> What it says on the tin: some series are really one very long novel,
> broken into parts. This looks at anther sort, where each book can be
> read on its own.

Another series that fits well in this category are the Alex Benedict/Chase Kolpath books by Jack McDevitt. I would actually like to find more like this.

Brian

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Mon, 16 May 2022 06:42 UTC

On 5/16/2022 1:02 AM, Default User wrote:
> On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 8:30:04 AM UTC-5, James Nicoll wrote:
>> Five Series Made Up of Standalone Novels
>> https://www.tor.com/2022/05/13/five-series-made-up-of-standalone-novels/
>>
>> What it says on the tin: some series are really one very long novel,
>> broken into parts. This looks at anther sort, where each book can be
>> read on its own.
>
> Another series that fits well in this category are the Alex Benedict/Chase Kolpath books by Jack McDevitt. I would actually like to find more like this.
>
> Brian

Yes, me too.

Lynn

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 by: Martin - Mon, 16 May 2022 15:00 UTC

On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 9:57:18 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <c42cc46c-6395-4320...@googlegroups.com>,
> Martin <moor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 9:30:04 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
> >> Five Series Made Up of Standalone Novels
> >> https://www.tor.com/2022/05/13/five-series-made-up-of-standalone-novels/
> >>
> >> What it says on the tin: some series are really one very long novel,
> >> broken into parts. This looks at anther sort, where each book can be
> >> read on its own.
> >> --
> >> My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
> >> My tor pieces at https://www.tor.com/author/james-davis-nicoll/
> >> My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/
> >> My patreon is at https://www.patreon.com/jamesdnicoll
> >
> >How about James Schmitz's Federation of the Hub stories? There are more
> >short stories and novellas than actual novels, but they can be read in
> >pretty much any order.
> Do you happen to have a link to the whole lot?
>
> --
> Dorothy J. Heydt
> Vallejo, California
> djheydt at gmail dot com
> Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

I have a four-paperback series "The Complete Federation of the Hub" (series link at Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074BPTX6Z), which contains the following:

1. Telzey Amberdon
2. Trigger and Friends
3. T.N.T.: Telzey Amberdon & Trigger Argee Together
4. The Hub: Dangerous Territory

I believe these contain virtually all of the Hub stories; there might be a couple missing. There are stories in the first three that don't include Telzey or Trigger specifically, but feature related characters such as Heslet Quillan. The last volume includes the two Nile Etland stories (among others) including "Demon Breed", which is one of my favorite SF novels.

Regarding Robert's comment: certainly some of the Telzey stories are later than others (as are the Trigger stories) but IMO they're all standalone in the sense that they're completely understandable on their own. A new reader starting at any point doesn't need to have read the earlier stories to understand what's going on.

Martin

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 by: Titus G - Mon, 16 May 2022 21:00 UTC

On 16/05/22 00:40, artyw2@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 8:30:04 AM UTC-5, James Nicoll wrote:
>> Five Series Made Up of Standalone Novels
>> https://www.tor.com/2022/05/13/five-series-made-up-of-standalone-novels/
>>
>> What it says on the tin: some series are really one very long novel,
>> broken into parts. This looks at anther sort, where each book can be
>> read on its own.
>>
> Tim Powers has a Trilogy (Last Call, Expiration Date, and Earthquake Weather) in which the last one is a sort of a sequel to the first 2.

Despite little attraction to demons and horror suspense, I was
fascinated by the strangeness and the complexity in the 'patterns' of
_Last Call_ and would be happy to try the next.

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On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 7:01:04 AM UTC+10, Titus G wrote:
> On 16/05/22 00:40, art...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 8:30:04 AM UTC-5, James Nicoll wrote:
> >> Five Series Made Up of Standalone Novels
> >> https://www.tor.com/2022/05/13/five-series-made-up-of-standalone-novels/
> >>
> >> What it says on the tin: some series are really one very long novel,
> >> broken into parts. This looks at anther sort, where each book can be
> >> read on its own.
> >>
> > Tim Powers has a Trilogy (Last Call, Expiration Date, and Earthquake Weather) in which the last one is a sort of a sequel to the first 2.
> Despite little attraction to demons and horror suspense, I was
> fascinated by the strangeness and the complexity in the 'patterns' of
> _Last Call_ and would be happy to try the next.

I loved "Last Call" but found "Expiration Date" to be a tedious snore-fest. I finished it but had to make myself do so; Powers has enough runs on the board that I won't abandon him mid-book.

"Earthquake Weather" has been un-read on my shelves for years, and is unlikely to ever be read.

YMMV.

-Moriarty

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 by: Titus G - Mon, 16 May 2022 23:54 UTC

On 17/05/22 11:03, Moriarty wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 7:01:04 AM UTC+10, Titus G wrote:
>> On 16/05/22 00:40, art...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 8:30:04 AM UTC-5, James Nicoll wrote:
>>>
>>>> Five Series Made Up of Standalone Novels
>>>> https://www.tor.com/2022/05/13/five-series-made-up-of-standalone-novels/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What it says on the tin: some series are really one very long
>>>> novel, broken into parts. This looks at anther sort, where each
>>>> book can be read on its own.
>>>>
>>> Tim Powers has a Trilogy (Last Call, Expiration Date, and
>>> Earthquake Weather) in which the last one is a sort of a sequel
>>> to the first 2.
>> Despite little attraction to demons and horror suspense, I was
>> fascinated by the strangeness and the complexity in the 'patterns'
>> of _Last Call_ and would be happy to try the next.
>
> I loved "Last Call" but found "Expiration Date" to be a tedious
> snore-fest. I finished it but had to make myself do so; Powers has
> enough runs on the board that I won't abandon him mid-book.
>
> "Earthquake Weather" has been un-read on my shelves for years, and is
> unlikely to ever be read.
>
> YMMV.
>
> -Moriarty

Great. Thanks for the warning. Given your previous
recommendations/reviews, I suspect my mileage will be similar.
_Last Call_ is the only Powers' that I have read. I think it may have
been recommended here.

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 by: Moriarty - Tue, 17 May 2022 01:28 UTC

On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 9:54:17 AM UTC+10, Titus G wrote:
> On 17/05/22 11:03, Moriarty wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 7:01:04 AM UTC+10, Titus G wrote:
> >> On 16/05/22 00:40, art...@yahoo.com wrote:

<snip>

> >>> Tim Powers has a Trilogy (Last Call, Expiration Date, and
> >>> Earthquake Weather) in which the last one is a sort of a sequel
> >>> to the first 2.
> >> Despite little attraction to demons and horror suspense, I was
> >> fascinated by the strangeness and the complexity in the 'patterns'
> >> of _Last Call_ and would be happy to try the next.
> >
> > I loved "Last Call" but found "Expiration Date" to be a tedious
> > snore-fest. I finished it but had to make myself do so; Powers has
> > enough runs on the board that I won't abandon him mid-book.
> >
> > "Earthquake Weather" has been un-read on my shelves for years, and is
> > unlikely to ever be read.
> >
> > YMMV.
> >
> > -Moriarty
> Great. Thanks for the warning. Given your previous
> recommendations/reviews, I suspect my mileage will be similar.
> _Last Call_ is the only Powers' that I have read. I think it may have
> been recommended here.

Tim Powers is one of those authors who, for me, is very hit and miss. Some I love, some leave me totally cold. If you want to try another of his, give "The Anubis Gates" a go, or "Declare". The former is a time travel fantasy about Egyptian gods and dark magic, the latter is a fantasy spy thriller featuring Kim Philby with Powers channeling John Le Carre.

But having said that, "Last Call" and the other two have come up in discussions a few times here over the years, and there are plenty of folks who loved "Expiration Date" and "Earthquake Weather". You may also be one of them.

-Moriarty

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Subject: Re: [tor dot com] Five Series Made Up of Standalone Novels
From: wthyde1...@gmail.com (William Hyde)
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 by: William Hyde - Tue, 17 May 2022 19:21 UTC

On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 9:28:53 PM UTC-4, Moriarty wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 9:54:17 AM UTC+10, Titus G wrote:
> > On 17/05/22 11:03, Moriarty wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 7:01:04 AM UTC+10, Titus G wrote:
> > >> On 16/05/22 00:40, art...@yahoo.com wrote:
> <snip>
> > >>> Tim Powers has a Trilogy (Last Call, Expiration Date, and
> > >>> Earthquake Weather) in which the last one is a sort of a sequel
> > >>> to the first 2.
> > >> Despite little attraction to demons and horror suspense, I was
> > >> fascinated by the strangeness and the complexity in the 'patterns'
> > >> of _Last Call_ and would be happy to try the next.
> > >
> > > I loved "Last Call" but found "Expiration Date" to be a tedious
> > > snore-fest. I finished it but had to make myself do so; Powers has
> > > enough runs on the board that I won't abandon him mid-book.
> > >
> > > "Earthquake Weather" has been un-read on my shelves for years, and is
> > > unlikely to ever be read.
> > >
> > > YMMV.
> > >
> > > -Moriarty
> > Great. Thanks for the warning. Given your previous
> > recommendations/reviews, I suspect my mileage will be similar.
> > _Last Call_ is the only Powers' that I have read. I think it may have
> > been recommended here.
> Tim Powers is one of those authors who, for me, is very hit and miss. Some I love, some leave me totally cold. If you want to try another of his, give "The Anubis Gates" a go, or "Declare". The former is a time travel fantasy about Egyptian gods and dark magic, the latter is a fantasy spy thriller featuring Kim Philby

And his dad, a fascinating character in his own right.

with Powers channeling John Le Carre.
>
> But having said that, "Last Call" and the other two have come up in discussions a few times here over the years, and there are plenty of folks who loved "Expiration Date" and "Earthquake Weather". You may also be one of them.

I loved "Expiration date" but have been unable to finish "Earthquake Weather" despite two tries.

Of more recent novels, other than Declare, my favourite is probably "Hide me among the graves", full of pre-raphaelites and vampires. It is loosely connected to "The stress of her regard" but it's not at all necessary to read the latter first.

William Hyde

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